@@quangamng not only donk and monesy Most CS pros prolly already playin CS before learning algebra Some pros prolly has more time ingame in CS than a whole valorant pro roster combined playing valorant ( if you count all versions of CS )
@@weebman9762 I think 10 average pro CS players already are about 150k hours combined, 15k hours per player. While Valo players are like 7k average per pro player. Make sense as Valorant has only been from 2019. I have good feelings for future pro scene in Valorant as the game gets a decade old.
My intent isn’t to shit on Valorant pros, but understand that there’s a reason that so many Valorant pros are ex-CS players. They’re players that couldn’t hang at the top, lower T1, higher T2 players that weren’t successful. The top CS pros are basically superhumans in the game.
I mean it’s more rng than anything. A lot of those players never got the right opportunity. There’s a few examples of former T1 pros going to valorant but having very limited success Plus valorant is a different skill set than CS
The DRX roster of the past that still managed to make deep tournament runs internationally consisted of literal tier 3 CSGO amateur players. That's the genuine difference in level. And ofc, no flame, the CS scene has been developing for about 25 years, ofc the difference in level will be apparent.
@@hampustornros I don't think that's a very accurate way to look at it, honestly. If you look at most of the pros in CS:GO's early years they were failed 1.6 pros. Olof played 1.6 and never made it to a top level, same with many others. Yet they were beating players in GO who were way better than them in 1.6. You had some players who were on the top in both games (f0rest, GTR, etc.) or top tier in source as well, but lots of players who were considered mediocre in the previous games suddenly became superstars in GO. A LOT of the top-tier 1.6 players also never seemed very good in GO in comparison. Not that I disagree that the difference in level is huge, especially because of how Astralis changed the game, just that I don't think the comparison is totally fair because some people will be better/worse at different games.
@bbydykdyl7779 Calling olof a failed 1.6 pro when he was literally just playing a handful of low tier tournaments for fun (some of them didn't even have a prize pool) before starting to take esports seriously as a career is pretty weird. Also, the players who were the best at CSGO were literally the same people who were the very best 1.6/CSS players. It wasn't until like 3-4 years into the game that other pros came up and were actually playing better than the best 1.6 pros, the main exception to this was Navi completely failing to transition to CSGO.
i remember aceu saying that he got Global within his first 100 hours of playing CSGO. In Apex he's considered one of the most naturally skilled players to touch the game. In Valorant, still to this day he could join a T1 org if offered. He is one of the most naturally gifted players I have ever seen in my life at FPS games. He's a multimillionaire from his content creation based purely off of his FPS skills. He couldn't even make it in T3 pro CSGO. His team peaked at #28 worldwide for like a week in 2018. Pro CS is a different breed, man.
@@PlatformRacer-ek7iq i mean isnt that truth for many pros in valorant? Even TenZ never got that far in CS and literal league players can become pro in valorant and win a masters regional. yay was also in a T3 team in the form of optic before dominating in valorant, its pretty clear that valorant is way easier to be a successful pro where as CS players played the game their entire lives.
@@PlatformRacer-ek7iq Maybe, but he is still good enough to face against good teams in valorant and that league player I mentioned is SEN Sacy, guy won the equivalent of majors in Valorant. It also doesnt take away that TenZ admits that CS was just way too hard for him and that a T3 player from NA of all places can dominate the entirety of valorant for a year.
I think with the new age of cs talent like donk and especially m0NESY it's legitimately impossible for even an above average human to be top 5 in CS. Like not only do those guys have superhuman genetics but they've also been playing since the age of 4... it's impossible to compete with that
well its a team sport, you cant out aim them but theres always a blindspot, everyone has a weakness, and theres where the greatest skill in cs appears "gamesense" sometimes a dude like apex, or karrigan outsmart a kid like m0nesy.
@@sofarsogod I mean yeah thats why Na'Vi, a team with out a top 5 player is the best CS team right now, while donk's Spirit is struggling to stay in touch with the top 5 now that everyone has countered chopper, zont1x and magixx.
@@sofarsogodbut you won’t make it anywhere nowadays as a brain focused player. These igls are all old gens and unless you have pretty good mechanics and get lucky like siuhy, you stand no chance
@@a1m.. Well but pretty much any FPL player has monster mechanics, CS players are pretty much aim gods, the thing is average aim + great gamesense beats > great aimer with lower gamesense any day of the week, nothing has changed, the best players in the world are the smartest ones and this forever will be the case.
@@kazim4734"S1mple is washed mfs" when they find out how he was consistently top 1-2 player in the world for 4 years straight, with most of this time being during covid and the war:
@@jorrr3962 pretty sure most tier 1 teams would drop a player and sign either of those two if they publicly stated they were gonna switch and put time into valorant. You need to go watch some of their clips if you think otherwise. Anyone can learn how to play any game, but that kind of pure fps talent is unteachable. I'm saying this as someone that plays both games and has over 1k hours in each.
@@jorrr3962Take meds, brother. If TenZ, a player who didnt get far in the pro scene and yay a literal Tier 3 player from CSGO are called the best of all time in valorant then the young GOATs like monesy and donk would easily dominate. A literal league player won a masters regional in valorant ffs.
cs pros are so braindeadlike mechanically they are 10+ years of experience ahead but the moment they see thrash detain them or wingman defuse they become insta noob
@@skun4243brother what are you on about😅 cs pro players awareness, gamesense and team work is still light years ahead of valorant , to this day players still find a better ways to flash, smoke, molly or grenade , it also doesnt help that valorant has a lower skill ceiling then cs. The game is literarelly made to be more casual/beginer friendly, no matter how long the game goes on for, it will never have a s1mple or zywoo because the game literarelly doesnt allow it...
@@AntonioVivoran yes unlike cs the agents get buffed or nerfed and that impacts the playstyle drastically and yes valorant will never have zywoo or s1mple cause the meta shift wont allow it. It's more like league
Finally tenz word were clear as day. Probably cuz now he is free, like a bird. Some of his fans were part of the problem to, d riding valorant. Well those who actually knows tenz from his cs days are the actual G. They know what things makes it better in both games.
As an eu player with 2.5k elo I can confirm you must have extended game knowledge, fast thinking, impecable mechanics (peeking, crosshair placement, microadjustments, tracking - really you need an edge otherwise you’re the punching bag) and be consistent in your game plan on certain Maps to perform on this elo i feel like I’m giving 110% when I play pugs yet the ceiling of what’s individually possible is super far you can always improve on your weaknesses. Have I mentioned you also need a strong mental? 20% chance you lose by default because of bought account or smb griefing. There’s also this type of players who are not concious when they are playing like litteraly 2,6k elo and the guy is blatantly just stupid he has never thought anything of this game except for run and shoot like no deep thoughts no practice 10k hours of empty gameplay. It’s the type of player who is going to rage over 3 hard fought Lost rounds or if he sees somebody making a mistake even tho he probably makes a bunch each round. We are unfortunate bcs on eu server it’s a plague of these kind of players. I enjoy this game and that’s the most important part of this message make sure you enjoy it there is no need to be negative keep calm and don’t let the negative players bother you play your game.
its just like real sports, there are levels. you might be able to destroy your buddies and coworkers whern you go play basketball a few nights a week but the second you play someone who started in Division 1 college for 3-4 years, youll get absolutely dismantled
Also in t1, 2 and 3 the teamplay must be perfect, like make the best decisions extremely fast, the synchronisation is on top, one mistake can cost you 2 rounds or even 3 in some situations since the economy is tough.
That's how the french players/scene pronouce it, but the majority of the CS community still calls him ZaiWoo. I think he's stated before in interviews that he doesn't care either way lol
@@anonymousalexander6005 tier 1? when was he ever tier 1 lol???? when he played for a tier 2 C9 team that didnt take part in anything relevant before dropping hil 6 months after? He never even got to tier 2
@@anonymousalexander6005 being in a tier n team doesnt mean you're a tier n player, and the proof is that they dropped him in a record breaking 6 months after he joined + C9 wasnt tier 1 they stopped being a tier 1 team on CS after Stew and Tarik left for MIBR. Maybe tier 1 in NA but at the time that was like tier 2 at best for EU/itl standards
@@anonymousalexander6005 just looked it up on hltv, with TenZ they reached their worst worldwide ranking ever at 301 LMFAOOOO they werent even top 300 teams in the world LMFAOOOOO
@@anonymousalexander6005 He was never a t1/t2 player. Being on a t2 team and being a t2 player are completely separate things. The best he got was a 3 month stint on a dysfunctional C9 roster playing in t2 tournaments while averaging a 0.94 rating.
Why is everyone just spitting out the most random anecdotes about players getting offered contracts, getting high elo/ranks, etc. Esports with higher accumulated player bases over the time are more competitve than others with less of a accumulated playerbase. That's why especially in games with a very large playerbase, the level of play today is lightyears ahead of that from the past. So obviously right now the chance is way higher to have found incredibly talented CS:GO/CS2 players like M0nesy, than already having found similarly talented varolant players. On top of that comes the fact that Valorant is not even old enough to let players have practiced since they were little children. That's exactly the reason why games like League of Legends or CS:GO have such a competitive scene. CS is very old in terms of the esports scene and always had a relevant amount of players. League is not quite as old but has had waay higher player numbers due to the popularity in asian countries. Have fun competing with talented children that have been playing since they were 4 years old, or have fun competing against teenage talents which are the best of like 75 million other players on their server. No one would make a big drama about world class classical violinists being more talented than someone who is the best at playing an instrument that was invented only four years ago. This all however has *nothing* to do with one game being better than the other, or having the more cool fan base etc.!
Apart from the low ceiling Valorant has due to mechanical limitations on movement and aim. Val doesn't have the mechanics for a s1mple or Zywoo to exist.
@@lol2easy Valorant's mechanical limitation is frustrating. Non existent spray pattern is also annoying. You can be high elo and still die to a run and gun low elo players with shit movement and mechanics from a random rng headshot. It's near impossible for this to happen in CS.
Tenz is so goated man especially with his takes on valo map quality on his twitter a few days back, can finally speak his mind without riot's boot on his neck Unlike another retired ex-CS pro who also pivoted to streaming and has his name start with an S & ends with a "hroud" who just spews out the most braindead gaming takes possible for clout and/or money
Playing pro CS is a different animal. Tenz wants to smurf in lobbies, but you can’t do that against pros in any sport. It is a continual grind of mouse and mind. New strats, counter strats, defaults, set plays, pro CS is much more cerebral than it is about raw aim. What makes s1mple and zywoo so incredible is that they can study demos, remember what they saw, and apply top level analysis while still having perfect mechanics. Tenz has the mechanics, but he doesn’t have the mental to play against EU or even South American teams. You have to want it every single map, you can’t give up when things get hard (which is what Tenz did). Rip NA.
People who just had their CS biases pickle tickled need to remember that CS has had like two decades of innovation and a plethorah of games that replaced the older one. It has had much optimization over the years. So people who play it generally have a higher baseline than those who started om Valorant.
Like in valorant u might be shocked by kangkang or aspas with their operator but they are pretty mid compared to cs awper like monesy and zywoo. I dont even need to mention the s1mple prime.
you can really see the difference in gameplay just from mouse movement you watch a pro cs match and the way they aim and how quickly they react to shit is insane, valo feels so sluggish in comparison
honestly he can’t because he already tried that and couldn’t he is really a talented player but far from what it takes to be a good csgo pro he just say it in the video he is being honest the skill gap between him and the best is to large
he is skilled mechanically, which will get you by in faceit lobbies. but when it comes to pro teams, he cannot compete unless he is in a super developed team. like if we talk for example karrigan, that guy count the number of util used by the enemy team and the develops strats mid game as to how the enemy might use the remaining util. and in the major final alexsib used this knowledge by baiting him with smoke. this type of mind games require you to breath the game and know everything inside and out and that is a huge commitment for someone like tenz
@@mum-your nah thats generally bs He knows the fundamentals of the game, its impossible to mechanically good and not have the basics of a pro, he was a pro He could easily be at Liquid or Col, easily
@@saulosilva1236 easily be at Liquid? LMFAOOOOOO he wasnt even good enough in his prime to stay more than a season in a tier 2 team, he had to try out for a south african team right before Val came out LMFAOOOO
Simply there are no players in Valorant that was playing it from their 7-8 years and that are 16 years old now. Just wait some time and those monsters with (quite literally) Valorant in their blood will appear too
@@dasdsadasd1088 that if valo survives for another 5-6 years, the level of people who are 'gods' of that game now will prob be the bare minimum to be tier2-3
@@bipedalapproximation Pretty much true for every game. I remember league pros saying that back in season 2-3 insec was the god move and now every silver lee sin main can pull it off consistently.
@@zap9021 If you think a 25 year old franchise, the franchise which introduced the search and destroy genre will die because of 1 bad title you are dead wrong.
Yeah the pros are way more nuts than most people will ever understand and EU players are always playing better because they have a stronger scene overall
I see an argument saying cs is boring because the same player has been Throwing a same smoke linup for 20 years... That's why the player is cracked as hell The smoke already soo perfect That the only thing they can optimize is their own aim and teamwork There's a reason why prime simple is dominating every one at his prime Because no one can out aim him
I dont know what to say. I play so little barely 200h since cs2 sometimes i got absolutely gets demolished by people they might be cheating but i dont know. I dont have my computer so it might be coms fault. Then again i shoot absolutely crazy sometimes dont know what im doing wrong.
There's levels to this. 99.9% of CS players won't even close to being as good as Tenz but he's still not close to Zywoo, or S1mple's peak form level. Like the White mamba once said, Tenz is closer to Zywoo than you are to him.
Sorry but that's the biggest bs i have read today TenZ would get eaten up in a EU 3k faceit lobby Still gap between NA and EU is huge + players got way better
you do realize tenz was on c9 for only a couple of months right? he played around 30 maps, there was a few games he played well but rest were really disappointing. in his defense, due to his special treatment he was playing in t1 cs without any preparation which is why he performed so poorly. but it doesnt excuse his lack of hard work compared to other players in the same position as him. I'm not trying to insinuate tenz isn't a pro cs player but he wasn't given a real chance so saying he's close to t1 pro players when he was barely knowledgable on NA cs pro strats is absurd
join CS pro? Its funny how Valorant players don't realize how much higher the level of CS players is compared to Valorant. You have countless Valorant pros who never managed to get anywhere in CS, but do well in Valorant. Tenz is one of them. CS players dominate Valorant, Valorant players can't do much in CS. And I say this as somebody who plays Valorant lol
@@PlatformRacer-ek7iq I remember keznit in that kru legendary run pretty much outaiming and outsmarting everyone as the second coming of jesus, he was a cs go pogger before playing valorant, also aspas and less both learn their aim and movement from playing cs, you gotta be an ignorant of the videogames to not realize the best valorant players do play cs but arent as good as in valorant.
Understandle, one game has been out for over a decade, these CS pros have been playing the game since they were 6-7 years old. Valorant has been out for 4 years, give it time there will be really insanely gifted players popping up, regardless of the limitations of some of Valorant's mechanics
But thats simply wrong, because of how valorant works mechanics wise, players will not get better then current top players already are, no matter how much you wait, mechanically, there will never be a zywoo or s1mple of valorant, where your only choice is to insta-kill them otherwise they insta-kill you, someone so singular you would be afraid to face even if they were at a disadvantage, regardless of the situation or position. If you meant strategically, then yes, we are bound to get at some point some insanelly talented prodigy braniacs whose awareness, gamesense and teamwork make them a touch above everyone else. And thats something im sure we both can agree will be exciting to watch.
@@AntonioVivoran I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. Mechanically speaking we will see players like S1mple or Zywoo, every year we get insanely talented rookies showing up and their mechanics are insane. The only thing that separates the mechanics or CS from Valorant is the quicker movement, everything else is the same more or less
@@gpfhantom1890 I have already stated, mechanically, the game simply doesnt allow it, its not just about cs having a quicker movement, you actually have less control over your variables, this "more or less" is the difference between ever having a s1mple or zywoo or not, and here its mathematically a no, again someone so singular you would be afraid to face even while at an advantage, regardless of situation or position, because you know luck doesnt play a part of the equation. But then again we can simply agree to disagree ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ,im sure we both whole hearthedly believe our own thinking and only time can prove posibility from imposibility, after all the game is still only 4 years old.
@@88chimes tenz barely played pro cs. It was just a few months, on a team he didn't try out for, without any scrim practice. And tenz is just insanely talented not everyone can do even that.
@@adilghaznavi3948 But he did play cs for many many years and attempted to go up the tiers but failed. He was a B tier player (sometimes even C tier) for most of his cs career and barely achieved anything. The one time he stepped up with the big dogs he placed horrendously low in the tournament. He's a failed cs player that made it big in val, proofs right there.
@@88chimes B tier means nothing. He was in a c9 roster that was rife with both player and management issues. Im not saying he would've been a star or even good at CS, just that there's no basis to call him failed. He tried another game, liked it WAY better and switched.
The reason cs players are so good is because the game has been out so much longer than valorant. once valorant reaches a decade the skill gap (which is alreadymicroscophic) wont really exist.
no matter how shitty the CS was, we are all from there, if not you, then your grandfather is from 1.6, if not him, then your grandfather's grandfather fought
Shroud was a mediocre CS pro. I don’t know why whole NA community acts like he is a god or something. He wasn’t even in the Major winner squad. And don’t come and tell me that He’s “talented”. Thats BS. His words are not rules. He is not qualified enough to be a ruler in CS. He says that because he plays valorant and it gives him his salary.
You do know shroud says that na players which includes himself dont ever stand a chance against eu players right? Stop pulling that hate out of your ass
To be fair shroud had the best mechanical skill in CS history, he wasn't a smart player and got nervous in stage. Oh and he had bot2k as a teammate holding him back in those days. He had an unfortunate career tbh. Some top CS pros have recently said that he was underrated and that they looked up to him
@@rollingthunderinho Shroud wasn't even close to being the best mechanical player in Csgo, he's not even elite in regards to mechanics. There's a reason cloud 9 only won a major the year after he left, it would be really bizarre to lose the best mechanical player and instantly become better. I like Shroud but you're straight up delusional if you think Shroud is mechanically better than S1mple, Zywoo, Shox, Olofmeister, Scream, Fallen, Monesey, Get_Right, Friberg, Krimz etc etc.
@@rollingthunderinho "best mechanical skill" lmao stop lying out of your mind. Shroud was never even close to top 10 ever in his CS career. And before you pull out the "he's just good at aiming" excuse, donk who is a purely mechanical player is top 3 in his rookie year of pro CS
Propably they can play cs and valo in same time because they are degenerates atleast they would bring toxicism, racism etc without caring about money in fines
The only fact is that Valorant is a new game in its early years of evolution. After 6-7 years, Tenz would be irrelevant and the skill ceiling will spike immensely. Csgo pros in its early years weren't as insane as the average or tier 2 pros of today. Only a select few managed to stay relevant in the scene.
Pro cs players nowadays are the ones who started playing counter strike when they were 4vor 6 yrs old. When Valorant comes to that stage, that's when it will peak.
CS in its early years was during the early years for FPS games in general though. Valorant came out when FPS games have been played professionally for decades. The skill ceiling will increase, but it won't spike immensely.
@@abhisheknath9257 CSGO wasn't what I was talking about when I said early CS, but CSGO was still the early years for the type of professional esports players you see today. Not many people dedicated their lives to esports back then.
CS is a dead game. A relic of the past. The only reason why CS is more difficult than valorant is because it has crappy, Stone Age graphics and mechanics; both of which are unreliable and make the game more boring and difficult than it should be. Valorant has a much wider scope for tactics and creativity, which actually forces you to think before you shoot. CS is more like a glorified version of a prehistoric aim training software.
Valorant is an FPS game that scales down almost every core skills of an FPS game like counter-strafe, peeking or spray control, then adds a bunch of abilities and line-ups so newbie can feel more comfortable when they shoot. That's why when Valorant players come to CS, they've got absolutely destroyed, but when CS, PUBG, Overwatch players come to Valorant, they've become the Tier 1 pros in the Val tournament. Trust me kid, that "glorified version of a prehistoric aim training software" with "Stone Age graphics and mechanics" is the cornerstone of modern competitive FPS games, which Valorant shamelessly copied almost every single mechanics then told it was "takes some ideas then improves it". Btw, if CS had Stone Age graphics, what would Valorant graphics be? The Big Bang?
shroud once said valorant is way harder than CS. tenz goat is just being humble because he achieved a lot of things. gotta admit that CS was a good game that is going down because the game is too easy and simple but valorant is just way better and advanced. imagine simple and zywoo switching to valorant i GUARANTEE you they will not even last a year.
shrouds thoughts arent relevant to anything, he was a mid player who played cs for a decade and never won anything relevant, hes just still salty about his failed pro career
@@Newtonsappl bro thinks i don't play cs lmao. This isn't about s1mple or zywoo being good, it's about this guy having a fanboy mentality. If all you do is admire other players from below, you'll never reach the same heights or surpass them.
@@kish4corheunbl bruh you think this is some anime or something where mental is everything? There's nothing wrong with greats recognizing greats or people being realistic
Non CS ppl seem to underestimate how insane you have to be in CS pro scene
You pretty much have to be born and incubated in CS lobbies growing up
basically monesy and donk
@@quangamng not only donk and monesy
Most CS pros prolly already playin CS before learning algebra
Some pros prolly has more time ingame in CS than a whole valorant pro roster combined playing valorant ( if you count all versions of CS )
@@weebman9762 I think 10 average pro CS players already are about 150k hours combined, 15k hours per player. While Valo players are like 7k average per pro player.
Make sense as Valorant has only been from 2019. I have good feelings for future pro scene in Valorant as the game gets a decade old.
@@clatzeo valorant released in june 2020
Not just cs lobbies too at least high faceit levels mostly just pug events
unlike shroud , this dude actually forms a rational believable opinion
true
Shroud's opinion on anything is that of whatever company is sponsoring him lol spineless mole
Shroud has the most braindead L takes on so many different topics
@@tony2shanks hes basically overrated af.
@@kisalwedage5055 ye I agree 💯
Finally we get no bs from tenz, you could tell he was holding back when he represented valorant as a pro
CS will always be harder than val, people can agree to disagree all the time. 🤷♂️
tenz always been sayin dis bro
CS is harder mechanically
@@akshatdwivedi2675 cs is harder every way
what you on about. he always said this shit
I remember when the game first came out the joke was “yeah I’ll play valorant professionally, zywoo doesn’t play”
No one said that
@@PlatformRacer-ek7iqYeah I’m no one.
Clueless @@PlatformRacer-ek7iq
@@PlatformRacer-ek7iqthe real joke was that all the washed cs pros migrated to Val’s retirement home. which is true
@@hunterlee8554I wouldn't call Tarik washed
It's the fking EG management that fucked him over.
My intent isn’t to shit on Valorant pros, but understand that there’s a reason that so many Valorant pros are ex-CS players. They’re players that couldn’t hang at the top, lower T1, higher T2 players that weren’t successful. The top CS pros are basically superhumans in the game.
I mean it’s more rng than anything. A lot of those players never got the right opportunity. There’s a few examples of former T1 pros going to valorant but having very limited success
Plus valorant is a different skill set than CS
The DRX roster of the past that still managed to make deep tournament runs internationally consisted of literal tier 3 CSGO amateur players. That's the genuine difference in level. And ofc, no flame, the CS scene has been developing for about 25 years, ofc the difference in level will be apparent.
@@hampustornros I don't think that's a very accurate way to look at it, honestly.
If you look at most of the pros in CS:GO's early years they were failed 1.6 pros. Olof played 1.6 and never made it to a top level, same with many others. Yet they were beating players in GO who were way better than them in 1.6. You had some players who were on the top in both games (f0rest, GTR, etc.) or top tier in source as well, but lots of players who were considered mediocre in the previous games suddenly became superstars in GO. A LOT of the top-tier 1.6 players also never seemed very good in GO in comparison.
Not that I disagree that the difference in level is huge, especially because of how Astralis changed the game, just that I don't think the comparison is totally fair because some people will be better/worse at different games.
@bbydykdyl7779 Calling olof a failed 1.6 pro when he was literally just playing a handful of low tier tournaments for fun (some of them didn't even have a prize pool) before starting to take esports seriously as a career is pretty weird.
Also, the players who were the best at CSGO were literally the same people who were the very best 1.6/CSS players. It wasn't until like 3-4 years into the game that other pros came up and were actually playing better than the best 1.6 pros, the main exception to this was Navi completely failing to transition to CSGO.
Any top 20 CS pro would utterly dominate the pro Val scene. Instantly being the best players. Hope valorant community knows this
i remember aceu saying that he got Global within his first 100 hours of playing CSGO. In Apex he's considered one of the most naturally skilled players to touch the game. In Valorant, still to this day he could join a T1 org if offered. He is one of the most naturally gifted players I have ever seen in my life at FPS games. He's a multimillionaire from his content creation based purely off of his FPS skills.
He couldn't even make it in T3 pro CSGO. His team peaked at #28 worldwide for like a week in 2018. Pro CS is a different breed, man.
So basically what you're saying here is Aceu failed in CS but in Valorant he could easily join a T1 team? Yeah stop the cap CS meatrider 🤣🤣
@@PlatformRacer-ek7iq CS fans try not to compare their favorite game to Valorant challenge: IMPOSSIBLE
@@PlatformRacer-ek7iq i mean isnt that truth for many pros in valorant? Even TenZ never got that far in CS and literal league players can become pro in valorant and win a masters regional.
yay was also in a T3 team in the form of optic before dominating in valorant, its pretty clear that valorant is way easier to be a successful pro where as CS players played the game their entire lives.
@@masqueradesw3923 yay dominated during the 2nd year of Valorants release
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@@PlatformRacer-ek7iq Maybe, but he is still good enough to face against good teams in valorant and that league player I mentioned is SEN Sacy, guy won the equivalent of majors in Valorant.
It also doesnt take away that TenZ admits that CS was just way too hard for him and that a T3 player from NA of all places can dominate the entirety of valorant for a year.
these kids in cs tier 1 nowadays have like 20k hours on the game before even turning 18yo
more steps on mirage than in real life init.
@@vyyr lmfao
*coughs* m0nesy *coughs*
I think with the new age of cs talent like donk and especially m0NESY it's legitimately impossible for even an above average human to be top 5 in CS. Like not only do those guys have superhuman genetics but they've also been playing since the age of 4... it's impossible to compete with that
well its a team sport, you cant out aim them but theres always a blindspot, everyone has a weakness, and theres where the greatest skill in cs appears "gamesense" sometimes a dude like apex, or karrigan outsmart a kid like m0nesy.
You just sound like a crazy meatrider im not gonna lie. "superhuman genetics" bro what are you babbling about 😂😂
@@sofarsogod I mean yeah thats why Na'Vi, a team with out a top 5 player is the best CS team right now, while donk's Spirit is struggling to stay in touch with the top 5 now that everyone has countered chopper, zont1x and magixx.
@@sofarsogodbut you won’t make it anywhere nowadays as a brain focused player. These igls are all old gens and unless you have pretty good mechanics and get lucky like siuhy, you stand no chance
@@a1m.. Well but pretty much any FPL player has monster mechanics, CS players are pretty much aim gods, the thing is average aim + great gamesense beats > great aimer with lower gamesense any day of the week, nothing has changed, the best players in the world are the smartest ones and this forever will be the case.
TenZ is one of the very few pros who just do realtalk all the time.
Tenz such a Humble Guy.
Greetz from eu ❤
He is not humble , thats reality . There is a reason why he was considered one of the best valorant player ever but also almost a nobody in cs
@@Seracsholy sht u r delusional man he left cs earlier if he wasnt he could peak at least twist prime did
ZywOo and s1mple are on another stratosphere when we talk about FPS gamers
Well s1mple is hella washed he can no longer compete as a pro and jL and m0nesy are both better than zywoo now lets be real
Simple mogs@@kazim4734
Zip it up after ur done
@@kazim4734"S1mple is washed mfs" when they find out how he was consistently top 1-2 player in the world for 4 years straight, with most of this time being during covid and the war:
idk if that comment was rage bait comment or brain dead comment lmao
The skill ceiling keeps going up. U got the donks and monesys taking over.
Both players wouldn't make it past tier 2 in valorant 🤣🤣🤣
@@jorrr3962 pretty sure most tier 1 teams would drop a player and sign either of those two if they publicly stated they were gonna switch and put time into valorant. You need to go watch some of their clips if you think otherwise. Anyone can learn how to play any game, but that kind of pure fps talent is unteachable. I'm saying this as someone that plays both games and has over 1k hours in each.
@@Eric-zt7ky neither of those players would be nearly as good as they are in CS though 🤣the game is just too difficult
@@jorrr3962Take meds, brother. If TenZ, a player who didnt get far in the pro scene and yay a literal Tier 3 player from CSGO are called the best of all time in valorant then the young GOATs like monesy and donk would easily dominate. A literal league player won a masters regional in valorant ffs.
@@masqueradesw3923 Yay dominated when the game was 2 years old 🤣 who cares
cs pros are a different breed.
Top CS players would be mid asf if they transferred to Val
cs pros are so braindeadlike mechanically they are 10+ years of experience ahead but the moment they see thrash detain them or wingman defuse they become insta noob
CS fans go one second without dickriding their favorite game challenge: IMPOSSIBLE
@@redballoon2380 Then tell me why tons of unsuccessful CS pro moved to Valorant and became successful? Because the skill level is much lower😂
@@pillowhead4456 tell me why stewie2k was trash at valorant then swapped back to csgo and immediately won a tier 1 event 🤣
zywoo is just a nightmare
The way he explained CS vs Valo is perfect.
Tenz problem in cs wasnt aim, was game awareness, cs is a team game and its hard af
tell me you never played valorant duh 😂
@@skun4243tell me you have never seen a cs pro match
@@skun4243brother what are you on about😅 cs pro players awareness, gamesense and team work is still light years ahead of valorant , to this day players still find a better ways to flash, smoke, molly or grenade , it also doesnt help that valorant has a lower skill ceiling then cs. The game is literarelly made to be more casual/beginer friendly, no matter how long the game goes on for, it will never have a s1mple or zywoo because the game literarelly doesnt allow it...
@@AntonioVivoran yes unlike cs the agents get buffed or nerfed and that impacts the playstyle drastically and yes valorant will never have zywoo or s1mple cause the meta shift wont allow it. It's more like league
@@skun4243 then why valorant dont have a player like faker lol
No ego at all. RESPECT ❤
He actually pronounced ZywOo correctly, well done.
yeah most people pronounce it like Zie when it's Zee
Finally tenz word were clear as day. Probably cuz now he is free, like a bird.
Some of his fans were part of the problem to, d riding valorant. Well those who actually knows tenz from his cs days are the actual G. They know what things makes it better in both games.
TenZ humble guy
As an eu player with 2.5k elo I can confirm you must have extended game knowledge, fast thinking, impecable mechanics (peeking, crosshair placement, microadjustments, tracking - really you need an edge otherwise you’re the punching bag) and be consistent in your game plan on certain Maps to perform on this elo i feel like I’m giving 110% when I play pugs yet the ceiling of what’s individually possible is super far you can always improve on your weaknesses. Have I mentioned you also need a strong mental? 20% chance you lose by default because of bought account or smb griefing. There’s also this type of players who are not concious when they are playing like litteraly 2,6k elo and the guy is blatantly just stupid he has never thought anything of this game except for run and shoot like no deep thoughts no practice 10k hours of empty gameplay. It’s the type of player who is going to rage over 3 hard fought Lost rounds or if he sees somebody making a mistake even tho he probably makes a bunch each round. We are unfortunate bcs on eu server it’s a plague of these kind of players. I enjoy this game and that’s the most important part of this message make sure you enjoy it there is no need to be negative keep calm and don’t let the negative players bother you play your game.
its just like real sports, there are levels. you might be able to destroy your buddies and coworkers whern you go play basketball a few nights a week but the second you play someone who started in Division 1 college for 3-4 years, youll get absolutely dismantled
Also in t1, 2 and 3 the teamplay must be perfect, like make the best decisions extremely fast, the synchronisation is on top, one mistake can cost you 2 rounds or even 3 in some situations since the economy is tough.
anyone have a clip of tenz vs simple or tenz vs zywoo?
@@nadaftlo try looking for S1mple highlights years ago
Shoot bots in practice range for s1mples pov
@frogcatdog 😂
zywoo will eat tenz. No chance against zywoo absolutely none
@@emu1565 Nobody said otherwise
the biggest revelation is that I should be saying ZeeWoo and not ZaiWoo
That's how the french players/scene pronouce it, but the majority of the CS community still calls him ZaiWoo. I think he's stated before in interviews that he doesn't care either way lol
Yes, that's how French people say it. ZywOo himself says it that way.
Thank god for this clip, now his 14 year old meat riders can stop saying hes good enough to go pro on CS
@@anonymousalexander6005 tier 1? when was he ever tier 1 lol???? when he played for a tier 2 C9 team that didnt take part in anything relevant before dropping hil 6 months after? He never even got to tier 2
@@anonymousalexander6005 tier 1 is crazy. he isnt good enough to play for Mythic
@@anonymousalexander6005 being in a tier n team doesnt mean you're a tier n player, and the proof is that they dropped him in a record breaking 6 months after he joined + C9 wasnt tier 1 they stopped being a tier 1 team on CS after Stew and Tarik left for MIBR. Maybe tier 1 in NA but at the time that was like tier 2 at best for EU/itl standards
@@anonymousalexander6005 just looked it up on hltv, with TenZ they reached their worst worldwide ranking ever at 301 LMFAOOOO they werent even top 300 teams in the world LMFAOOOOO
@@anonymousalexander6005 He was never a t1/t2 player. Being on a t2 team and being a t2 player are completely separate things. The best he got was a 3 month stint on a dysfunctional C9 roster playing in t2 tournaments while averaging a 0.94 rating.
Why is everyone just spitting out the most random anecdotes about players getting offered contracts, getting high elo/ranks, etc.
Esports with higher accumulated player bases over the time are more competitve than others with less of a accumulated playerbase. That's why especially in games with a very large playerbase, the level of play today is lightyears ahead of that from the past.
So obviously right now the chance is way higher to have found incredibly talented CS:GO/CS2 players like M0nesy, than already having found similarly talented varolant players. On top of that comes the fact that Valorant is not even old enough to let players have practiced since they were little children.
That's exactly the reason why games like League of Legends or CS:GO have such a competitive scene. CS is very old in terms of the esports scene and always had a relevant amount of players. League is not quite as old but has had waay higher player numbers due to the popularity in asian countries.
Have fun competing with talented children that have been playing since they were 4 years old, or have fun competing against teenage talents which are the best of like 75 million other players on their server.
No one would make a big drama about world class classical violinists being more talented than someone who is the best at playing an instrument that was invented only four years ago.
This all however has *nothing* to do with one game being better than the other, or having the more cool fan base etc.!
Apart from the low ceiling Valorant has due to mechanical limitations on movement and aim. Val doesn't have the mechanics for a s1mple or Zywoo to exist.
I agree with both of you @Magieschnuller @lol2easy
@@lol2easy Valorant's mechanical limitation is frustrating. Non existent spray pattern is also annoying. You can be high elo and still die to a run and gun low elo players with shit movement and mechanics from a random rng headshot. It's near impossible for this to happen in CS.
cs pros are build different.
valorant was dominated by people with
outsmart them but not out aim them tf you talking about?
@@_______________513 in cs u only need muscle memory wnd you will have good aim forever
Tenz is so goated man especially with his takes on valo map quality on his twitter a few days back, can finally speak his mind without riot's boot on his neck
Unlike another retired ex-CS pro who also pivoted to streaming and has his name start with an S & ends with a "hroud" who just spews out the most braindead gaming takes possible for clout and/or money
Let me save this clip for the children 😂🤌
zeewoo
that's how the French say it. Zywoo is French
Playing pro CS is a different animal. Tenz wants to smurf in lobbies, but you can’t do that against pros in any sport. It is a continual grind of mouse and mind. New strats, counter strats, defaults, set plays, pro CS is much more cerebral than it is about raw aim. What makes s1mple and zywoo so incredible is that they can study demos, remember what they saw, and apply top level analysis while still having perfect mechanics. Tenz has the mechanics, but he doesn’t have the mental to play against EU or even South American teams. You have to want it every single map, you can’t give up when things get hard (which is what Tenz did). Rip NA.
Rarely is aim ever a factor in CS, it is always in my opinion at least, 100% down to mental and nothing else. CS is the soccer of e-sports.
Atleast he knows his Place! Good Shit.
People who just had their CS biases pickle tickled need to remember that CS has had like two decades of innovation and a plethorah of games that replaced the older one.
It has had much optimization over the years. So people who play it generally have a higher baseline than those who started om Valorant.
Like in valorant u might be shocked by kangkang or aspas with their operator but they are pretty mid compared to cs awper like monesy and zywoo. I dont even need to mention the s1mple prime.
Even the awp now after all the nerfs is like 10x Better than operator my guy, only think easier in cs than valorant is sniping
Niko built different
never top 1
@@syracuse4612 cuz hes not an awp abuser
@@kubi368he is literarelly a hybrid player and has been one for a couple of years...
Remember folk this is coming out of a guy who is pretty nuts himself
you can really see the difference in gameplay just from mouse movement
you watch a pro cs match and the way they aim and how quickly they react to shit is insane, valo feels so sluggish in comparison
cs2 feels more sluggish and inconsistent . it's like 2020-2021 valorant rn
what xd
@@medakabox2015 lol cope anime profile picture
@@randomuruk7230 sure level 3
@@randomuruk7230 what's wrong with an anime pfp?
hes honest, but he has enough talent to be a good pro player
honestly he can’t because he already tried that and couldn’t he is really a talented player but far from what it takes to be a good csgo pro he just say it in the video he is being honest the skill gap between him and the best is to large
he is skilled mechanically, which will get you by in faceit lobbies. but when it comes to pro teams, he cannot compete unless he is in a super developed team. like if we talk for example karrigan, that guy count the number of util used by the enemy team and the develops strats mid game as to how the enemy might use the remaining util. and in the major final alexsib used this knowledge by baiting him with smoke. this type of mind games require you to breath the game and know everything inside and out and that is a huge commitment for someone like tenz
@@mum-your nah thats generally bs
He knows the fundamentals of the game, its impossible to mechanically good and not have the basics of a pro, he was a pro
He could easily be at Liquid or Col, easily
@@BASTIANFELIPEJORQUERA thats prob because after being the best at Val, he doesnt want to be a good mid player on cs
@@saulosilva1236 easily be at Liquid? LMFAOOOOOO he wasnt even good enough in his prime to stay more than a season in a tier 2 team, he had to try out for a south african team right before Val came out LMFAOOOO
Simply there are no players in Valorant that was playing it from their 7-8 years and that are 16 years old now. Just wait some time and those monsters with (quite literally) Valorant in their blood will appear too
what are you trying to say here i dont understand
@@dasdsadasd1088 that if valo survives for another 5-6 years, the level of people who are 'gods' of that game now will prob be the bare minimum to be tier2-3
@@bipedalapproximation Pretty much true for every game. I remember league pros saying that back in season 2-3 insec was the god move and now every silver lee sin main can pull it off consistently.
People are forgetting cs2 is only just a year old. I doubt the game will stay stagnant like csgo for long.
@@zap9021 If you think a 25 year old franchise, the franchise which introduced the search and destroy genre will die because of 1 bad title you are dead wrong.
Yeah the pros are way more nuts than most people will ever understand and EU players are always playing better because they have a stronger scene overall
So basically cs > valorant?
I see an argument saying cs is boring because the same player has been
Throwing a same smoke linup for 20 years...
That's why the player is cracked as hell
The smoke already soo perfect
That the only thing they can optimize is their own aim and teamwork
There's a reason why prime simple is dominating every one at his prime
Because no one can out aim him
Guys stop arguing, he went pro both game. He is definitely more convincing than you guys.
Tier 3 is not convincing
@@JakubixIsHere more convincing than 99% of us in the comment. My purpose was just trying to tell everyone to chill but u know toxic internet
@@andy8694Lying with a straight face is not convincing either... Tenz never got to be "pro" in cs. But yes i do agree with you otherwise.
bro i need that crosshair
dafuq is he talking about in his prime bruh hes like the Choke Criminal
I dont know what to say. I play so little barely 200h since cs2 sometimes i got absolutely gets demolished by people they might be cheating but i dont know. I dont have my computer so it might be coms fault. Then again i shoot absolutely crazy sometimes dont know what im doing wrong.
There's levels to this. 99.9% of CS players won't even close to being as good as Tenz but he's still not close to Zywoo, or S1mple's peak form level.
Like the White mamba once said, Tenz is closer to Zywoo than you are to him.
Sorry but that's the biggest bs i have read today
TenZ would get eaten up in a EU 3k faceit lobby
Still gap between NA and EU is huge + players got way better
you do realize tenz was on c9 for only a couple of months right? he played around 30 maps, there was a few games he played well but rest were really disappointing. in his defense, due to his special treatment he was playing in t1 cs without any preparation which is why he performed so poorly. but it doesnt excuse his lack of hard work compared to other players in the same position as him.
I'm not trying to insinuate tenz isn't a pro cs player but he wasn't given a real chance so saying he's close to t1 pro players when he was barely knowledgable on NA cs pro strats is absurd
Tell me u don’t watch CS without telling me u don’t. If tenz really was as good as ur saying, he would still be in CS instead of switching to val.
Mechanically guy is good but in terms of game sense guy is just lacking guy is just basically shroud 2.0 in cs
@@faidenbecause he doesnt know the maps. His aim is better than most of the CS pros
Cs just have a higher skill ceiling so the difference between the best and the average pros is just that much
I like Tenz, I actually always thought he would have been a good CS pro, hes humble.
Facts. Valorant is just *easier* to be good at. That's why all non S-tier pros who weren't good enough dominate Valorant now lol
fax
join CS pro? Its funny how Valorant players don't realize how much higher the level of CS players is compared to Valorant. You have countless Valorant pros who never managed to get anywhere in CS, but do well in Valorant. Tenz is one of them. CS players dominate Valorant, Valorant players can't do much in CS. And I say this as somebody who plays Valorant lol
what successful CS players are dominating valorant?
@@PlatformRacer-ek7iq aspas
@@PlatformRacer-ek7iqwhy would successful cs player would transfer into val think before write
@@PlatformRacer-ek7iq I remember keznit in that kru legendary run pretty much outaiming and outsmarting everyone as the second coming of jesus, he was a cs go pogger before playing valorant, also aspas and less both learn their aim and movement from playing cs, you gotta be an ignorant of the videogames to not realize the best valorant players do play cs but arent as good as in valorant.
@@PlatformRacer-ek7iq scream?
even players like twistzz , ropz are way better then tenz best level
"Even" ropz is crazy. That guy is nuts. According to HLTV, one of the best mechanical aimers in the game
Understandle, one game has been out for over a decade, these CS pros have been playing the game since they were 6-7 years old. Valorant has been out for 4 years, give it time there will be really insanely gifted players popping up, regardless of the limitations of some of Valorant's mechanics
But thats simply wrong, because of how valorant works mechanics wise, players will not get better then current top players already are, no matter how much you wait, mechanically, there will never be a zywoo or s1mple of valorant, where your only choice is to insta-kill them otherwise they insta-kill you, someone so singular you would be afraid to face even if they were at a disadvantage, regardless of the situation or position.
If you meant strategically, then yes, we are bound to get at some point some insanelly talented prodigy braniacs whose awareness, gamesense and teamwork make them a touch above everyone else.
And thats something im sure we both can agree will be exciting to watch.
@@AntonioVivoran I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. Mechanically speaking we will see players like S1mple or Zywoo, every year we get insanely talented rookies showing up and their mechanics are insane. The only thing that separates the mechanics or CS from Valorant is the quicker movement, everything else is the same more or less
@@gpfhantom1890 I have already stated, mechanically, the game simply doesnt allow it, its not just about cs having a quicker movement, you actually have less control over your variables, this "more or less" is the difference between ever having a s1mple or zywoo or not, and here its mathematically a no, again someone so singular you would be afraid to face even while at an advantage, regardless of situation or position, because you know luck doesnt play a part of the equation.
But then again we can simply agree to disagree ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ,im sure we both whole hearthedly believe our own thinking and only time can prove posibility from imposibility, after all the game is still only 4 years old.
People never see Xantares peeking in FPL can't fathom how hopeless you felt when you get killed like that.
This is why mid tier or washed up cs players can make it in Val, and not the other way around
They can't
@@adilghaznavi3948 tenz is literally the most mid cs player who came to Val and became one of the best players ever ...
@@88chimes tenz barely played pro cs. It was just a few months, on a team he didn't try out for, without any scrim practice. And tenz is just insanely talented not everyone can do even that.
@@adilghaznavi3948 But he did play cs for many many years and attempted to go up the tiers but failed. He was a B tier player (sometimes even C tier) for most of his cs career and barely achieved anything. The one time he stepped up with the big dogs he placed horrendously low in the tournament. He's a failed cs player that made it big in val, proofs right there.
@@88chimes B tier means nothing. He was in a c9 roster that was rife with both player and management issues. Im not saying he would've been a star or even good at CS, just that there's no basis to call him failed. He tried another game, liked it WAY better and switched.
If you’re a pro Valorsnt you’re just like a Lvl10 faceit.
CS pro are build diff
I get pooped on a lot in cs
what is tenz using in the range looking map there
Ak
custom map.
aim map
aimbotz map
Ak47 vulcan
ZeeWoo
Yes, the correct way of saying it.
The reason cs players are so good is because the game has been out so much longer than valorant. once valorant reaches a decade the skill gap (which is alreadymicroscophic) wont really exist.
Valorant is so easy compared to CS, I rather defend a full util push on Val then defend a site on cs2. Not sure why this is even a debate 😂
shouts in flashbang: THEY'RE RUSHING B ITS B
no matter how shitty the CS was, we are all from there, if not you, then your grandfather is from 1.6, if not him, then your grandfather's grandfather fought
i was told by shroud that valorant is actually harder than CS. now i confuse
heard it from some casters that shroud will always favor games that gives him more viewers/cash. so his words not actually based
Shroud was a mediocre CS pro. I don’t know why whole NA community acts like he is a god or something. He wasn’t even in the Major winner squad. And don’t come and tell me that He’s “talented”. Thats BS.
His words are not rules. He is not qualified enough to be a ruler in CS. He says that because he plays valorant and it gives him his salary.
Richard Lewis called Shroud the most overrated pro in CS history!
Just so y all know, the debate of CS n Valo is clearly explained by this man, u know the rest
Smoggy: VALORANT is much harder than CS.
*Okay zoomer*
Tenz: I can't beat top cs player, but I can win majors in Val
Smoggy: got smoked by prx in cs and start playing Val
I remember that the article said "easier to pick up" though
@李李磊-g4t remember smoggy get 5-26 for 2 years in valorant. He also pay very much to get stronger
@李李磊-g4t also tenz has not win any championship he only win master
This guy is honest , not like shroud who cries but doesn't accept that he is noob against cs pros
You do know shroud says that na players which includes himself dont ever stand a chance against eu players right? Stop pulling that hate out of your ass
To be fair shroud had the best mechanical skill in CS history, he wasn't a smart player and got nervous in stage. Oh and he had bot2k as a teammate holding him back in those days. He had an unfortunate career tbh. Some top CS pros have recently said that he was underrated and that they looked up to him
@@rollingthunderinho Shroud wasn't even close to being the best mechanical player in Csgo, he's not even elite in regards to mechanics. There's a reason cloud 9 only won a major the year after he left, it would be really bizarre to lose the best mechanical player and instantly become better. I like Shroud but you're straight up delusional if you think Shroud is mechanically better than S1mple, Zywoo, Shox, Olofmeister, Scream, Fallen, Monesey, Get_Right, Friberg, Krimz etc etc.
@@rollingthunderinho "best mechanical skill" lmao stop lying out of your mind. Shroud was never even close to top 10 ever in his CS career. And before you pull out the "he's just good at aiming" excuse, donk who is a purely mechanical player is top 3 in his rookie year of pro CS
if valo gets 2000% increase prize pool and all cs pro jump into it. they will insta dominate the whole field. cold hard fact hurts
Propably they can play cs and valo in same time because they are degenerates atleast they would bring toxicism, racism etc without caring about money in fines
Would've, should've, could've
If my mom had balls, he would be my dad
they are not build diferent , they were build in Europe :D
Europeans are awful at valorant lol
m0nesy where??
He NEVER played against m0nesy
this is why people who are hyper critical of cs pro's are lame.
the margins at the top are really fine.
There is extreme diffrence between tiers
Compared with any cs pro these valorant "pros" are babys in diapers 😂
Tenz is noob with aimlocks back when he played cs so not suprised if he gets farmed by bigger cheater. pro scene is a joke.
He sucks at cs and csgo. Thats why he went to valo
He's better than 99.9% of the players on the planet, including you.
And he's a prime example of how elite the pro scene really is.
The only fact is that Valorant is a new game in its early years of evolution. After 6-7 years, Tenz would be irrelevant and the skill ceiling will spike immensely. Csgo pros in its early years weren't as insane as the average or tier 2 pros of today. Only a select few managed to stay relevant in the scene.
Pro cs players nowadays are the ones who started playing counter strike when they were 4vor 6 yrs old.
When Valorant comes to that stage, that's when it will peak.
CS in its early years was during the early years for FPS games in general though. Valorant came out when FPS games have been played professionally for decades. The skill ceiling will increase, but it won't spike immensely.
most csgo pros back then was the very best in 1.6 and source bruh....
@@whatthat607 Not early years for FPS games at all. CSGO was released after almost 13 years of CS 1.6
@@abhisheknath9257 CSGO wasn't what I was talking about when I said early CS, but CSGO was still the early years for the type of professional esports players you see today. Not many people dedicated their lives to esports back then.
People forgot TenZ wouldn't be in Valorant if he's "good" at CS, just like Shroud
Shroud never liked CS. He didn't quit for val he quit to stream
@@rollingthunderinho he got bench before went to streaming, he quit to stream pubg
It's a different game he liked val more
They both cheated
I’m
pro scene? who tf is this guy
Who cares FN is a mechanically superior game
CS is the simplest and hardest game, Valorant juste got shiny animations for him, to bring some e-girls and american weirdo to the game.
CS is a dead game. A relic of the past. The only reason why CS is more difficult than valorant is because it has crappy, Stone Age graphics and mechanics; both of which are unreliable and make the game more boring and difficult than it should be. Valorant has a much wider scope for tactics and creativity, which actually forces you to think before you shoot. CS is more like a glorified version of a prehistoric aim training software.
Valorant is an FPS game that scales down almost every core skills of an FPS game like counter-strafe, peeking or spray control, then adds a bunch of abilities and line-ups so newbie can feel more comfortable when they shoot. That's why when Valorant players come to CS, they've got absolutely destroyed, but when CS, PUBG, Overwatch players come to Valorant, they've become the Tier 1 pros in the Val tournament. Trust me kid, that "glorified version of a prehistoric aim training software" with "Stone Age graphics and mechanics" is the cornerstone of modern competitive FPS games, which Valorant shamelessly copied almost every single mechanics then told it was "takes some ideas then improves it".
Btw, if CS had Stone Age graphics, what would Valorant graphics be? The Big Bang?
Imagine talking bad about CS2's graphics when you play Valorant.
You might as well just admit you're a methhead, because it's that obvious.
Bro u forgot ur mask 🤡
shroud once said valorant is way harder than CS. tenz goat is just being humble because he achieved a lot of things. gotta admit that CS was a good game that is going down because the game is too easy and simple but valorant is just way better and advanced.
imagine simple and zywoo switching to valorant i GUARANTEE you they will not even last a year.
shrouds thoughts arent relevant to anything, he was a mid player who played cs for a decade and never won anything relevant, hes just still salty about his failed pro career
Check Shroud stats in hltv
zywoo switching to valorant is top 1 after 1 year
leaf yay and shanks were tier 1 at one point lmao but tier 3 in cs
Shroud is same trash as tenz . always trash on LAN events .
Beta mentality.
Go and watch s1mple. You'll know soon why he said what he said
@@Newtonsappl bro thinks i don't play cs lmao. This isn't about s1mple or zywoo being good, it's about this guy having a fanboy mentality. If all you do is admire other players from below, you'll never reach the same heights or surpass them.
@@kish4corheunbl anime ahh comment
@@kish4corheunbl hes not even trying to go pro lol why wouldnt he recognize the greatness of the two best fps players of all time?
@@kish4corheunbl bruh you think this is some anime or something where mental is everything? There's nothing wrong with greats recognizing greats or people being realistic
who is that clown?
A guy who went pro in both
M0nesy is the goat now tenz