RUGBY 1967 England vs New Zealand All Blacks
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- the first ever rugby match, broadcast in colour
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First match broadcast in colour, yet they chose a game where the teams played in black and white.
But at least the Ref looked nice in red.
even on 405 lol
@alexmacleod3728
Surely it was 625 only in colour as BBC2 was only UK channel in colour until 1969 and BBC1 was 405 in black and white until 1969.
Ah, the green sheds at HQ. Standing on the terrace's with a crate of beer at your feet. Watching England lose, and marvelling at the skill of the opposition. That was Rugby up until about 1987. Happy days.
I remember this game. Terrace ticket 5/- standing only. I found an unused one in among some old papers that I was going through. Great how quickly the scrums were formed and executed compared to today. In the commentary it was said that the average weight of the New Zealand pack was 15st 7lbs. In the 2015 world cup it was 17st 11 lbs. The 2015 backs were probably heavier than the 1967 forwards.
Brian Metcalfe
I got a bridge to sell you then mate😂
@@youtubearchive3668what a ridiculous comment, his weights are accurate
got to love Bill MacLaren, RIP learning his craft here, this lineout is two minutes outside the All Black 22 line lol
No advertising on the jerseys. I prefer that.
I recall the first advertising for the ABs was Puma ... on the lower front of the shorts.
Rugby from a bygone era. No tannoy announcers or blaring music. No jumping in each other when a try is scored. A much better era.
No moari bullshit
@@robdykes3659 No fun.
@@cheloxmv what does that mean, no fun, we had fun in those days but we respected the other team and not to rub their nose,s in the shit because we were scoring tries, there,s no respect today, players jumping all over everyone,isn't it enough to score and beat them without making the other team fell worse
@@cheloxmv fun is winning
Thanks for posting this. The scrums were so quick and uncomplicated. Haka very funny. All Blacks exhilarating, some things never change.
You mean their "war dance", haha
I'm pretty sure the first sports event televised in colour (in Britain) was the 1967 Wimbledon tournament. This was just after BBC switched to colour.
This game may well have been the first football match (of any code) to be broadcast in colour. There was very little live (association) football on television in those days, and the two matches that were regularly televised, the FA Cup final and the England-Scotland game, would have been in the spring, i.e. before the colour switchover.
It's marvellous to see this video. Colour film of sports matches always looks very ancient somehow, whereas videotape makes it feel much more alive.
Random observations: Twickenham as was - it's not really the same stadium now; lightning-fast scrums; no padding on the posts; no advertising (compared to hundreds of square metres of lurid flashing LED displays distracting spectators throughout the match these days).
Thanks so much for posting this.
robicenco1 The earliest color telecast of a football game in any code that I can think of was an American football game on January 1st, 1954 between Michigan State University and the University of California at Los Angeles. That game was televised over the NBC network in the United States, although no videotape (either color or black-and-white) of that game exists to my knowledge.
+Aaron Camp I believe AMPEX 2'' videotape became operational in 1955, with its colour equivalent being ready in 1957. I think that the earliest surviving colour videotape is an NBC Fred Astaire special from 1958 [Brought to you by Chrysler]... It's here in RUclips somewhere.
Thanks - I meant the first colour football match broadcast in the United Kingdom, but it is interesting just how much earlier the US switched to colour.
@@robicenco1 NTSC existed as a black and white standard beforehand, so the colour version was made with black and white compatibility in mind.
European companies weren't happy with how it performed, and it likely would have been worse if they tried to apply it to the lower resolution 405-line formats used in countries like the UK at the time. PAL was then developed as a 625-line system and patented in 1962. So, all new equipment for transmission and receivers was needed. BBC2 was launched at B&W 625-lines in 1964, ready for the first colour broadcasts in 1967.
BBC2 was the first TV channel in Europe to broadcast in colour. It wasn't until the middle of the Autumn 1969 that BBC1 followed suit, along with ITV, - region and franchise launches over the next few years notwithstanding, along with industrial disputes when staff demanded extra pay for operating upgraded equipment.
My word, that haka is truly terrifying.
You have to understand that most of them weren’t Māori they’re white people also known as Pakeha it wasn’t until Buck Shelford a Māori who captained the All Blacks in the 80’s that taught them how to do it properly I don’t know what the other Māori players were doing in those eras
Only just noticed there are no pads on the posts - owch!
Vintage rugga from when the Queen used to like rugby... love it.
She just liked looking at their bottoms😹 what's up with the field? Looks like a striped blanket
wow look at the speed of setting a scrum, amazing. it can be done
Geez! What happened to scrummaging. They formed them quick here and didn't seem to have any problems. What happened?
Wimps got involved, Nothing more than a bunch of hand bag carriers nowadays.
Kirton.
Largely ignored or forgotten.
He was fantastic.
He was a running first five assisted by his very successful combination with Otago team mate Chris Laidlaw, which meant McRae and Davis could hit the ground running at pace. A great backline which matched the equally effective backlines in the UK and Australia of the day.
They may have not been as big as today’s players, but you had to be so fit back then because the set pieces were all set very quickly and you barely had time to rest unlike today. Colin Meads used to run a half marathon every week to stay fit
No body-building - no gym work-outs, just basic training and basic rugby and enjoyment . .
I watch this and feel embarrassed to be a new Zealander
@@fanoffreedom3003 You have every right to be embarrassed, but for yourself. I read what you wrote in your other comment. An eight-year-old dyslexic writes better than you do, and with more intelligence.
@@fanoffreedom3003 fucking moron
@@fanoffreedom3003 Us TRUE Kiwis feel embarrassed for YOU.....nob!
when the scrum was a fair dispute and not a lazy way to get a penalty
I didn't have a ticket so had to listen on the radio. It was a very cold misty November day. It was frustrating as I lived in Kew. It was very chastening hearing us put away by a very formidable inventive Nz side
Some rugby trivia. This game was the first rugby test to be televised in colour. I think colour tv started that year 1967 in the UK.
That year's Wimbledon saw the start of live outside colour broadcasts. I understand that coverage of the Men's Singles final only survives.
I didn't know that. Thanks@@Speedy4527
First FA Cup final shown in colour was 1968, WBA v Everton.
@@1061andy thanks for that.
surprised by speed of scrums,why cant they do that today,no resets,skill of general play was good-haka sucked though-thought amateur era was much slower,but it was quick
Back then, the scrums were set straight away, the ball went down the middle - no halfback at any level has put the ball in straight in the last thirty years - and wheeling the scrum was a legitimate tactic. Now, it's crouch/pause/touch/feel and someone gets penalised just about every time.
That Haka was hilarious!
mnnh1 you mean the Hokey Cokey more like....Todays haka would die of embarrassment if they saw this especially the Maoris....
Even the hakas these days are hilarious
That looked like old grand pa's from the rest home drying them selves after a shower
@@williamdmason9375 right turn, now do the conga line🥴
Would love to see Enlish do the Morris dance
0:15 this is the worst haka I've ever seen, these all blacks should be written out of history just for this haka alone, they made us look like brainless fools, they remind me of the doozers from fraggle rock working
50 years since this game. The ABs really revolutionised rugby in 1967.
It was Fred Allen. He wanted running rugby. Basically NZ played 10 man rugby. They went back to it. Then the Lions showed up four years after this and played running rugby, especially in the second and third tests against the All Blacks.
RIP Brian Lochore
Jesus wept what the fk was that hakka all about ...
the sheer absurdity of different times, the ill-fitting kit gives way to the ultra tight, two teams and only the ball was brown
Now.....the ball is white and most of the players are............censored ;-)
You're forgetting Nathan, Herewini, Rangi, Skudder, Milner, Jennings and others prominent players of the era.
Look how they get to the scrums quickly,the good old days
I was there! Seems strange to call a converted try a "goal" and only 5 points.
Great footage, clearly see what a great player Meads was. Always up with play and in the thick of it
No lone wolf. The all blacks looked like men who had to work at something else to play rugby.
Hanging their heads in shame as they do the haka, omfg, its supposed to be a proud moment of new Zealand culture representing you're country , they did it like this because they are mostly white , and the white new Zealanders and Maori culture had not bonded well yet
And ironically the teams played in Black and White :)
A free flowing game - so entertaining. Almost no laws
I remember this match. It was played when my home-land was the real Cornwall. We seldom if ever heard a non-Celtic accent. Man, how we cheered those All Blacks on to victory over them. I was six years of age attending Mylor Primary School in the South-West of my Country. My Gran and her sisters spoke fluently in Old- Cornish, not the neo Cornish 'revivalist' tongue! The rooms were so much colder then, the pain was much more painful then, but we laughed so much louder then, when I was young.
Great colour footage. The 1967 All Blacks were very revolutionary in their play. They played at pace and, unlike previous All Black teams, they played 15 man rugby. As Mclaren pointed out, McCormack was used in backline attacks, which was unusual for the time.
I am not offended by lone wolfs comment. The haka was hilariously bad until Buck Shelford became captain.
The All Blacks' fast, slashing attack was spectacular in this game.
Correct
That's also because we had players like Ian McRae (2nd 5) and Bill Davis (Centre), the successful combination from Hawkes Bay which had the Ranfurly Shield about that time captained by the late Kel Tremain. McRae was a hard runner and Davis was very quick ... both still with us.
Jaysus they don't waste anytime on set pieces do they lineouts and scrums get it in there and get it out. Anything will do no mucking about
My Dad was a good mate of Bruce McLeod. We went to the Mangere Airport to see him off. That is about as much as this (then 7 year old) can remember because all I wanted to do was go home to bed.
The next year I did a walkathon in Otahuhu to raise money for something and got to run with Mac Herewini and Waka Nathan. Big day for me, but my legs after the 20 mile walk were in terrible shape. My Dad conned my uncle into sponsoring me for 20c a mile after I had already finished. He paid up. Cost him $4, which was significant back then lol. Walls Ice Blocks were 4c each at the time so about $200 in todays money. These matches were played on TV a week after the game as the videotapes had to be flown to NZ.
Remember Mac Herewini at Manukau Rovers RC Mangere, also a great rugby player back in the days and years later being served beers by Waka Nathan who owned the local Manukau pub Onehunga, a real gentleman and All Black. Couple of famous names from our past buddy. I'm sure we still had the pound in 1967 but unsure when it changed to dollars, things sure weren't quite the same after that. Walls & Tip Top ice cream 4c good old days
thank you to thealiosha123 for this video - I just interviewed Earl Kirton about 5 minutes ago ! Thought I'd take a look on youtube and hello ! Here's the game !
Colin Pine Tree Meads what a player .
Look how long the grass is. I had forgotten that Twickenham used to look like a hay paddock.
The modern game has not got better
It has.
You must be blind
yes this is real rugby. I don't know what the name of the game I see today is called?
@@paulthomson2288continuity rugby league?
Those were the best scrums
look how quickly they took the scrums...a lesson for now
And the halfback puts the ball in straight. That never happens now - the halfback gets penalised only if he puts the ball in under the locks' feet.
That's how it seems, anyway...
Fast yes but bloody dangerous....props pulling down, poor body positions...
@@MarsFKA are you talking about League scrums😵💫
@@iancurtis1152 League? Dirty word. Please wash your mouth out with strong whiskey..
@@MarsFKA ok
Relevant fact relating to myself.
A year and a half later, I was born in the local hospital on Twickenham Road.
Non relevant fact relating to myself, I was born 9 years later in the same province as Jonah lomu, also played rugby in the same position as Jonah lomu in the same province at the same time as jonah lomu in the same town ,in the same style of game as just at under 21s club level,
The golden era of NZ rugby ... listened to every game with Bob Irvine's live commentary.
Great players, great captaincy in Lochore and coach Fred Allen.
Only player missing was Williment but McCormick carried the day as the only specialist fullback with his solid running play and kicking.
Interesting to see no padding on the posts as pads were normal in those days.
England also had great players with Irvine singing the praises of Sherriff in one of the mid week games.
Tour saw the rise of Kirkpatrick after Nathan suffered a broken jaw and Strachan taking over from Stan Meads, and established many players among the all time greats.
The open rugby with fast running backlines with the likes of McRae and Davis (both Hawkes Bay lads) was a joy to watch. Only downside was a tackle by Danny Hearn on Ian McRae which left Hearn paralysed for life.
Kirton also taking over as a running 1st V outside Otago team mate Chris Laidlaw after being second fiddle to Herewini for several years paid off and this game saw him at his peak.
Great tour (unbeaten although Scots came close) and everlasting memories.
Miss Fergie M. Great man, a beacon for banter and rugby magic.
He was my hero as a kid.....at age 19 I was in a dingy little bar in Wellington. He walked in.........walked right past me to the loo.....I was too scared and amazed to say anything to him.
Don't muck about forming and getting on with the scrum, do they!
American sports had already been being televised in color since 1951. Nice to have, though!
NBC started color around 1954 then abandoned it to around 1965 as the technology was just not up to it at the time, color cameras required huge amounts of light and were electronically unstable especially outside. Color videotape caused huge problems as well, a time-shifted tape sent to another state would often not play properly away from the original recorder.
@@Witheredgoogie "The first color telecasts were of Dodgers games in August and September of 1951, part of the campaign by CBS to establish its electronic-mechanical system as the standard (RCA’s all-electronic system would win out in 1952). The first use of color in a national game was by NBC for the 1955 “Subway Series” between the Dodgers and the Yankees. In 1967, WHDH covered the Red Sox using RCA TK-43 “Big Tube” cameras, which performed better in varying light conditions, including nighttime games. Baseball uniforms and even stadium seats soon became more colorful to make a better impression on TV." ethw.org/Technological_Innovations_in_Sports_Broadcasting#Graphics_2
only 3 pts for a try....highlights the greater gulf between the sides than a similar scoreline in modern times might imply!
Very quick scrums no collapsing.Iremember watching this game as the sc-big abs win.ore was so high with only 3pts for a try
3 points for a try.
Men against boys. ABs as skilful and quick as they are now. Eng seemed woeful.
A couple of nice runs by england but overall well beaten
That first England try was pretty slick I thought.
They could have been dangerous had they had parity up front.
This was one of the first games I watched live in the middle of the night, as a kid.
Still love to hear Bill McLaren's voice and rue the day when 'local' commentators took over.
Crowds were blindly one-eyed back then too (16:10), head-high tackles went unremarked and the defence of both sides was on a par with the ABs haka (if it could even be called one).
Once again, the alacrity in which scrums were formed and completed is eye-opening.
Awesome upload: thanks
Loved it better then. Most All Blacks were Farmers. A hard day's work, then out on the track for an hour's training. Those were the days. No fame just brilliant rugby. 😅😅
When did knock ons come into the laws?
My Uncle Douglas - Hamilton was an All Black selector and he selected several of these five young men to play in this test. 😅😅
Men against boys. In those days UK teams hadn't really a hope against the All Blacks. Fantastic video of a game I remember - I was expecting some grainy rubbish but such high quality. Thanks for the memories
Amateurs against pros more like.
NZ were basically professionals and have had a massive head start in rugby development. Give it another 20 or 30 years and the times will change.
Ah not really, their best ever team lost to Wales in 1905/6.
@@Talbot6832 Really, in 1967? A lot of them were Farmers and the like. They got fit from their work.
It was generally noted at the time and often since that the difference was in the level of fitness and the ability to play hard for the full 80 minutes ... negated largely since by the substitution rule.
kicking out on the full from all over the pitch still allowed......
No enough Maori in that team. That haka was pathetic.
They did the Haka like a bunch of choir boys 😂 it’s a bit different in 2019 🥵
Lonewolf...your distaste of the haka is a gloss over of your envious jealousy of the All Blacks and the way they dispatched England. But don't dread it cause your not alone in that.
ABs number 6 Williams looked good. Rugged kiwi, sleeves rolled up, high workrate. Does anyone know much about him? I grew up watching Mark "cowboy" Shaw. This Williams fella reminds me of Shaw a bit.
He had a very short career….refused to go to South Africa in 1970 . Died 3 or 4 years ago
Appalling bind at the scrum, poor skills from England. This wasn’t a golden era.
Oh! There doing the Hokey Cokey....
Keith Macklin - more a footy commentator.
Teams in black and white though.
The haka looks like Zumba class at the local nursing home
Is there any chance of the Scotland New Zealand game from '67 in colour being up loaded please
That announcer sounds like Eric Idle!
Wow the match is so old and the haka😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The scrums are formed instantly
the all blacks were all white and the haka anything but impressive
Maori rugby was not very strong in the 60s and if you look at the team half of them were All Black greats. So I don't see your point other than the crap haka?
They performed it only at away matches (Outside New Zealand) and in front of the crowd, it was later in the mid 70s when they did in front of the opposing team (led by Sid Going, who was from the Māori iwi Ngāpuhi) and later in the 80s whem it was led by Hika Reid, Frank Shelford and then, by Wayne Shelford (the latter who taught the ABs to do it properly)
Lochore sounds a little like McCaw even the manner of how he answered them questions
No um after every few words
Ahhhh….back in the days when we still pretended the all blacks were amateurs.
how naive are the England players? playing like public schoolboys....oh, they all were back then. Interesting to see NZ off loading so superbly as they do today. Perhaps England are incapable of learning from defeats
Peter Baldwin
Lol wut
The skill level of some of the England players was deplorable. And the refereeing was pretty lax. Don't think the ABs threw the ball straight in one line out.
Fergie kicked goals very accurately with straight run and flat toe. And straight of the grass no tee assistance.
it's funny when you watch this game cause we are in 2016...hehehe
As yet, no comment picking up very obvious forward pass to Dick to score the Kiwis 4th try.
Very blatant but England were well beaten by then.
NZ streets ahead.
Notice that tries in 1967 were 3 points, instead of 5 points today. My guess is that the Rugby Board increased the try score so as to give teams incentive to score more tries.
ralmcg Yes, rugby was originally a spin off of football, so was all about kicks (same as Aussie rules, Gaelic football)... So over time scoring has gone from kicks only, to tries, with a rebalancing of points to the latter gradually over 150 odd years
ralmcg rugby used to be worth 0 points but when you had the chance to "try" convert for a point which was worth 1
Alfa&Omega 00000
Quite right, except that Rugby is the real football of course.
It was noticeable that the All Blacks particularly were giving away cynical penalties rather than concede a try. It was thought that by increasing the points for a try would focus players minds more on try scoring, although it increased slowly, first to 4 points in the early 70’s and eventually 5 in the early 90’s.
I understand that was the reasoning for it from what I remember.
Without the feeling the haka, it doesnot look right. Thankfully, our players can feel and understand it. But the game, is still amazing to watch👍
How to play rugby and be humble,I played during that era,❤️❤️❤️
OUR AB HEROS, THEY LEFT AS GOOD LEGACY FOR OTHERSTO FOLLOW. AB supporter ALL DAY.👍
Wow, I was 8.
Must be the most camp Haka ever performed.
Hi
Semi pros versus rank Amateurs. No contest.
And they were rank! ABs got away with murder. Standard of reffing was v low.
I saw the 67 your play at Leicester.
Haka has come a long way. 21stCentury Rugby, professional, predictable and the game lacks the Springboks or Lion tours.
Those boys were fit.
Pathetic Haka....God awful Scrums....random line outs.... both teams far better today!!!
bullshit
Seems ESPN Classic is good everywhere but the USA.
ESPN Classic isn't even broadcast on cable anymore.
Proper rugby, played the way rugby should be played; no messing around, no prima donnas, no padding... no hugging, no arguing with the ref, Bunch of pansies these days
Sorru be fine
wow
Lol oh man I can't stop laughing that looked like Hawaiian girls doing the hula hahahahahaha poor All Blacks team look ridiculous back then
Lonewolf777able
You wouldn’t recognize real rugby football then
you wouldn't say that to them in person though...not if you were playing against them....
a better spectacle than the crap that passes as international rugby now.
Total crap,the all blacks of this time would get thrashed by any new Zealand under 19s side, i garuantee it,earl.kirton kicked the ball away when on attack so many times hed be out of the team before halftime by todays standards, this is so so bad i feel like spewing, i could walk down the road and say you you and you and pick a team of nobodies that dont even play rugby and they would beat the allblacks, theres no kicking t, no explanations of the reffs decisions no replays one comenator there be lucky to have goal post pads, the forwards just run up grab each other and go in for a scrum,yes a scrum not a maul, the clearance kicks are done with super panic and go out 5 meters from where they kicked it from, they cant tackle, an 85 kg guy runs thru 4 players and hes not fending or bowling hes just running like an old man jogging down the road, if this team played a 2005 japan side theyd get beaten 130-3
@@doubts oh yeh i played rugby alright, only in south Auckland new zealand, only from under 9s till seniors, only on the wing same time and place as Jonah lomu , if jonah was from another province i might have made it into good sides, the all blacks were nothing back then by todays standards, I would of dumped most of them if not all of them on their asses , as i worked out alot with heavy weight lot of upper body strengh these guys are physically nothing , colin meads the biggest guy at 100 kg , ive tackled 180 kg player before , ive bumped off huge samoan players to score , these guys then were nothing , any old club side here would thrash them so so badly, they can hardly pass, ive seen loads of these old games the amount of passes that are at worm hieght is rediculous, watch the fuckin game what are you seeing for fuck sakes, i had dvds of classic matches and i say again they wer shit, the game has evolved so much , bee gee williams cant fuckin tackle he needed to go track and field coz all he liked doing was running him and dwarf Grant batty, he wouldnt even get concided these days coz hes not paletable , he looks silly the ballis the same size as his upper torso and his head
Hahaha Fan of Freedom? Funny guy. Bro, get a life. Bad enough your disrespecting an All Black team but your rant and talking yourself up made me laugh.
@@TuppsMuliau its what i know , and i do what i say i can do, otherwise no point ,
@@fanoffreedom3003 stay off the drugs buddy. Your rambling like Donald Trump.
@@fanoffreedom3003 loser
Goddamn that haka was painful to watch. Thank our Good Lord Webb Ellis for Buck Shelford, and his ability to teach white boys how to do it properly.
No moari bullshit
What do you mean by such a comment?
@@Rotowhaka back then they picked players because of their talent, not like today under the toxic climate of the woke left we have to have quota,s for black people in everything , Jacinda Arden made it very clear woman and moari can't get there on their own competence,they need a leg up or a hand out for equality of outcome,just like now in our health system because your moari or from the island,s or your skin colour,you get to go first,pure racism by this govt,l have to die first because I,m white,and you arsehole,s talk about white privilege,l now have to be last because of my skin colour when at the hospital,meg foon race relations officer who complained bitterly about the perceived racism he faced as now resigned in disgrace for taking money payments, or that complete arsehole john tamahire who took donations for the poor and gave it to the moari party which you not allowed to do,it's illegal but because he hates white people so much and is a moari elitist he thinks he,s above the law, and you wank moari go on about white privilege
@@Rotowhaka no reply, thought so,when.moari are confronted by their behavior or called out on it, they have no answer,woke moari,just like colonialism and moari go on about what's happened to them but ignore their own murderous cannibalistic and genocide past and enslavement of other races, the Boyd massacre of 1808, innocent men butchered that never returned home to their loved ones, the genocide and enslavement of the moariri by moari,and host of tribal war chief,s who massacred other moari,and you barstard,s go on about the white man when you are just as bad,fuck off you tosser
Who the hell are Moari? - you ignorant twat. Your 3 word rant where one is a negative, one is meaningless and one is a profanity.
Well done genius.