@@scottytoohotty24 I was responding to the comment of “how unfairly the Tories treated BR”. The 1979-97 government, before privatisation, say BR receive increased investment which increased ridership. This included sectorisation, East Coast Mail Line electrification and new trains, West Yorkshire electrification, hundreds of new trains for Regional Railways, Thameslink, Networker programme…..
@@Bungle-UKSimultaneously, BR's subsidy budget was decreasing by the year, with the expectation that it was to operate solely from fare revenue. This lead to changes in working practices to meet reduced costs, such as Driver Only Operation and part-time ticket office hours. And let's not forget the Serpell Report that came out in 1982? There's always two sides to the coin.
@@MannyAntipov none of those things had any negative impact on the service provided. The report wasn’t even considered, let alone implemented, so is completely irrelevant. BR was never expected to operate without subsidy, Intercity and NSE were but regional railways wasn’t.
Dear old slam doors :) they may have been clanky and a bit creaky but they had comfortable seats, like sofas. I remember Connex bringing in the first electrostars to the Dover/Ramsgate line. They were so new and shiny
And, contrary to popular belief, the slam-door trains loaded and unloaded far quicker than modern power-door stock. Particularly the suburban sets - where you had a door to every seating bay, you could get people on and off very quickly. With power door stock, just the door opening and closing sequence takes 30 seconds, because there are less doors everyone is funnelled down to two doors on each car, and at a busy station it can take 90 seconds for everyone to get on and off. I do miss the noise as well!!
The way that station manager woman made a terrible attempt to correct herself from saying ‘passengers’ instead of the company directive to refer to them as ‘customers’ instead!!!
7.13 The Lewes Station manager stutters over the use of the word passenger instead of customers, and there is where the problems began... The government stopped looking at the need to provide service and wanted to offer a purchasing opportunity. Commuter railways are always a service, they compete with cars, etc, whereas InterCity competed with planes and buses and cars but offered so much more. Privatisation was implemented in such a terrible way that it was always going to fail, but that does not in any way mean that nationalisation is the answer.
It was around this time (I was on the Undeground at the time) that management wanted it's staff to use the term customers instead of passengers, and most of us took a long time to get used to it since it had been 'passengers' since the stone age !
*Nationalisation is the answer for many reasons imo, it's the only way you can effectively deliver a national strategy. The problem with that is the Tories constantly being voted in, and right wing Labourites, as they only have interest in asset stripping the nation and privatisation is their means of doing that.
Of course they are customers, they are choosing to pay for a service and can take their business elsewhere. Too many rail fans forget that the whole network was built by private companies for profit, not as a public service.
That narrator said a 10% increase in fares....if only he or the passengers knew how extortionate they'd be now in 2023. The government never did care about public transport....only the top levels of management get the fortune while the passengers pay for the shoddy service and get nothing in return.
1:34 rail fairs rose again 2:32 more likely to be dissatisfied , brake downs 12:00 continue to decline global warming, borrow money road investment, dig barking 16:00 The Railway Series is real 21:20 let's save less quality and something we're not particularly proud of 23:20 there is no option
When it come to railways Britain got there first, but now we’re the worst! How can that be possible? Quite simple; government support has gradually been reduced over the years. This was one of Maggie Thatcher’s major faults. She was never seen getting on or off a train, nor was she ever seen to promote them. Just imagine if billions had been invested instead of being wasted on unnecessary road schemes that as soon as you build them they clog up! The one sure way to bust road congestion is to upgrade and build new railways. If it wasn’t for Beeching and Marples colluding to shut as many railways as they could in the mid 60s Britain 🇬🇧 would be the envy of the entire world today! So sad. 😭
@@w.wilson5800The same money we’ve been using up to now; in the last decade or two! Why should it be wasted on roads when rail would’ve been far better?
British passenger railways have never been run successfully, going right back to the onset in the 1800s. The fact is, a comprehensive and well maintained rail service will never turn a profit, so if a quality and affordable service is wanted (and I would suggest that it is), then obviously private companies will never be able to meet those requirements. The only way that could happen is for national Government to accept that railways are a cost to the country and shoulder the financial burden. In other words, nationalisation - and my personal politics is right of centre. The view would have to be that rail transport is integral to industry and commerce, and so the cost would be offset by a resulting growing economy through better efficiency of moving people and freight. There is also an environmental and moral requirement to provide a service that is fit for purpose.
4.04 - what a load of bollocks this man is talking. "Best railway in Europe or the world." Biggest load of bull I have ever heard. And, no, I don't blame the drivers or the RMT. You can only work with what you have and the rolling stock is outdated and they were mostly death traps. Imagine what it would have been like if they had run Pacers from these lines - buses on tracks.
I needed to know why they don’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for the main line Train so that they can extend the unused abandoned underground train stations. Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock and that includes the class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign them an overhead line and also make them into Five cars per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 8-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into an 11 car per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers. A Stock Trains and also having 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it more Larger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Railway tunnel into a High-Speed Railway lines? The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Railway line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. Then put the modernised 11 car per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 cars per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 47 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project if that will be OK for London Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from the Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden more Easily. Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly Line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street can they also make another brand new underground train station in Chingford and could they extend the Piccadilly Line and the DLR right up to Chingford? All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains. Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and can they order Every 37 Octagon and Every 17 Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.13 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 142MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 142MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units, can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!!!!!!, oh can you make all of those Coal Boxes’s 17 Tonnes for all of those 142MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!! so please make sure that the Builders can do as they are told!!!!! And please do something about these very very important Professional ideas Please? Prime Minister of England, Prime Minister of Australia, Prime Minister of Sweden, Prime Minister of Germany, Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.
Such a joke to see Norman Baker sitting in second class. Not his normal habitat I can assure you! I remember even once made the guard unlock the first class compartment down to Seaford😂
Back when we could still smoke in the mainline stations!! Another freedom of choice thats been taken away. That's one thing I miss the most from living in the 1980's and very early 1990's. Not having health and safety at every turn, not being on cctv every minute of the day and not having to rely on technology all the time.
WTF If UK government did more focus on road rather than railway (like US), why the motorways, or most cross country roads are built at a such poor standard? Narrow country roads (compared to US highway), motorways full of roundabouts crossings (roundabout has lower capacity than signal intersection), and even the motorway system itself is pretty broken and incomplete.
"Probably, the most efficient railway in western Europe. Probably in the world!" Hahahahahahahaha This man is/was completely delusional! An they're STILL the most inefficient railway!😂
Interesting watch for all those idiots who think that nationalisation will solve everything. What most rail enthusiasts refuse to face up to is that passenger rail, outside intercity, doesn't make money. The question is then how much the taxpayer should put into the system, given that the vast majority of people never go anywhere near a train.
You obviously have no clue WTF you are talking about. All transport, buses, trams, railways have some sort of support. You really need to check your facts. Everything is not always about profit. That's why we need to make employers pay a minimum wage of £8.72 per hour. If you can't pay your staff at least £11 per hour then you shouldn't even be in buisness. You must stay in a urban environment. If you don't see any good in subsidising transport then why don't we stop subsidising employers with working tax credits ect. Your obviously a Tory cunt. Fuck off and die.
Evelyn everyone uses goods and services that will have travelled over the motorway network, and the cost of roads is more than covered by vehicle and fuel tax. The argument isn't the same.
Mike Mundy But, that isn't what I am saying. The question is who should meet the cost of rail travel. The general taxpayer or the people that actually use trains? If prices rise too high, and there is a modal shift away from rail, yes, there will be increased congestion, especially around the major cities. However, if you live nowhere near a rail line, that wouldn't be an issue for you locally, and you may question why you should contribute towards the cost of the rail network when it doesn't serve you're area. Even now, with fares rising to shift the burden of cost to the user, the rail network still gets huge subsidies, especially into the infrastructure through Network Rail.
@@onlinefriend3889 they don’t - tax revenue from motorists (fuel duty, Road/vehicle tax, VAT on fuel, car sales and repairs) is far higher than the road building and maintenance budgets.
In the decades since this film was first made, the U.K. railways have got worse not better, even since the failure of HS2 - at this point, the ONLY solution is to invite in an external body from the CCP, Japan or Taiwan and to change the law to legally give them complete and direct control of the U.K. railways, with no interference of any kind whatsoever being permitted and to totally ban all trade union membership, making all strikes and industrial actions illegal, as we simply have got to change the whole culture that has held the U.K. railways back for decades, through a series of tough and draconian laws focused on improving the railways and ending privatisation, which simply does not work, aside from some (very rare) exceptions - in the last 30 years alone, we have seen fares go up, with standard of service go down, with constant disruptions and industrial actions and it is frankly unacceptable - deliberate mismanagement and wastage has caused the failure of HS2 and many other U.K. rail improvement projects to a stage where very drastic action is now required to get the U.K. railways up to acceptable international standards as the current status of the U.K. railways is abysmal and has no room for improvement - a case in point, aside from HS2 is the high speed rail tunnel under the Irish Sea from Holyhead to Dublin, but because of deliberate mismanagement and wastage it has been constantly suspended and put on hold due to lack of funding
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Its amazing how this was 29 years ago but the same problems remain
Privatisation will solve all!
Thanks for uploading this film although it did make my blood boil reminding me of how unfairly the Tories treated BR.
Yeah, making BR much more efficient while increasing passenger numbers was such a bad thing to do 🙄
@@Bungle-UKhey up mate, can you explain what you mean?
@@scottytoohotty24 I was responding to the comment of “how unfairly the Tories treated BR”. The 1979-97 government, before privatisation, say BR receive increased investment which increased ridership. This included sectorisation, East Coast Mail Line electrification and new trains, West Yorkshire electrification, hundreds of new trains for Regional Railways, Thameslink, Networker programme…..
@@Bungle-UKSimultaneously, BR's subsidy budget was decreasing by the year, with the expectation that it was to operate solely from fare revenue. This lead to changes in working practices to meet reduced costs, such as Driver Only Operation and part-time ticket office hours. And let's not forget the Serpell Report that came out in 1982?
There's always two sides to the coin.
@@MannyAntipov none of those things had any negative impact on the service provided. The report wasn’t even considered, let alone implemented, so is completely irrelevant.
BR was never expected to operate without subsidy, Intercity and NSE were but regional railways wasn’t.
Roger Freeman, one of the architects of the disastrous privatisation of UK rail services, in all his greasy glory
absolutely buddy!!! moronic!!! simple!!!
And made a Lord too…
am watching this in sept 2020 and they still not got this line reinstated
I just looked that up, too!
Dear old slam doors :) they may have been clanky and a bit creaky but they had comfortable seats, like sofas. I remember Connex bringing in the first electrostars to the Dover/Ramsgate line. They were so new and shiny
And, contrary to popular belief, the slam-door trains loaded and unloaded far quicker than modern power-door stock. Particularly the suburban sets - where you had a door to every seating bay, you could get people on and off very quickly. With power door stock, just the door opening and closing sequence takes 30 seconds, because there are less doors everyone is funnelled down to two doors on each car, and at a busy station it can take 90 seconds for everyone to get on and off. I do miss the noise as well!!
@@TheZacDJ the compressor noise that they would make when stopped :)
I loved the old slam doors on the HST mk3s, you could lean out the window and listen to the Valenta sing.
The way that station manager woman made a terrible attempt to correct herself from saying ‘passengers’ instead of the company directive to refer to them as ‘customers’ instead!!!
7.13 The Lewes Station manager stutters over the use of the word passenger instead of customers, and there is where the problems began... The government stopped looking at the need to provide service and wanted to offer a purchasing opportunity. Commuter railways are always a service, they compete with cars, etc, whereas InterCity competed with planes and buses and cars but offered so much more. Privatisation was implemented in such a terrible way that it was always going to fail, but that does not in any way mean that nationalisation is the answer.
It was around this time (I was on the Undeground at the time) that management wanted it's staff to use the term customers instead of passengers, and most of us took a long time to get used to it since it had been 'passengers' since the stone age !
*Nationalisation is the answer for many reasons imo, it's the only way you can effectively deliver a national strategy.
The problem with that is the Tories constantly being voted in, and right wing Labourites, as they only have interest in asset stripping the nation and privatisation is their means of doing that.
Of course they are customers, they are choosing to pay for a service and can take their business elsewhere. Too many rail fans forget that the whole network was built by private companies for profit, not as a public service.
Right now renationalisation has failed up here in the North of England with Nortern Fail!
That narrator said a 10% increase in fares....if only he or the passengers knew how extortionate they'd be now in 2023. The government never did care about public transport....only the top levels of management get the fortune while the passengers pay for the shoddy service and get nothing in return.
So hilarious as 30 years later, same issues, same arguments, only a slight bit better in some parts of the country :)
1:34 rail fairs rose again 2:32 more likely to be dissatisfied , brake downs 12:00 continue to decline global warming, borrow money road investment, dig barking 16:00 The Railway Series is real 21:20 let's save less quality and something we're not particularly proud of 23:20 there is no option
37 years later and it's still being refused.
When it come to railways Britain got there first, but now we’re the worst! How can that be possible? Quite simple; government support has gradually been reduced over the years. This was one of Maggie Thatcher’s major faults. She was never seen getting on or off a train, nor was she ever seen to promote them. Just imagine if billions had been invested instead of being wasted on unnecessary road schemes that as soon as you build them they clog up! The one sure way to bust road congestion is to upgrade and build new railways. If it wasn’t for Beeching and Marples colluding to shut as many railways as they could in the mid 60s Britain 🇬🇧 would be the envy of the entire world today! So sad. 😭
Nigel K Thomas in what way are we the worst? We have one of the densest, most frequent rail systems in the world.
It is a major talent of your nation to invent something then watch others be better at it.
And yet it was major who privatised the railways. Maggie wouldn’t touch it.
@@SigmundJaehn That’s because Mrs. Thatcher couldn’t see how it could be privatised. See thought it unworkable.
@@w.wilson5800The same money we’ve been using up to now; in the last decade or two! Why should it be wasted on roads when rail would’ve been far better?
Good old TVS Television. From a time when we still had proper local ITV.
Just proper TV, period !!
@@Ass_Burgers_Syndrome Very true my friend - sadly, very true.
We still do, boomer.
@@Ass_Burgers_Syndrome OK boomer.
@@TheMusicalElitist I don’t think so
British Rail was NOT created in 1948. British Railways was. British Rail didn't come into being until 1965.
Seems like the same sorts of issues now in 2022
This could be edited to replace "network South East 1991" by "Northern Rail 2019". Apart from that, nothing different.
Chris Green was something of a legend.
That theme tune is banging! But fantastic piece none the less.
12:00 will continue to decline 17:54 mess 18:45 remove men from stations
British passenger railways have never been run successfully, going right back to the onset in the 1800s. The fact is, a comprehensive and well maintained rail service will never turn a profit, so if a quality and affordable service is wanted (and I would suggest that it is), then obviously private companies will never be able to meet those requirements. The only way that could happen is for national Government to accept that railways are a cost to the country and shoulder the financial burden. In other words, nationalisation - and my personal politics is right of centre. The view would have to be that rail transport is integral to industry and commerce, and so the cost would be offset by a resulting growing economy through better efficiency of moving people and freight. There is also an environmental and moral requirement to provide a service that is fit for purpose.
That's how other European countries do it.
10 minute delay is on time nowadays ;)
What IS he on about at 3:50 lmao good grief. Standard Tory rubbish. Thatcher hated the idea of getting on public traaansport. 5:36 is no surprise.
Stephen Joseph from Transport 2000 seems a jolly interesting chap
4.04 - what a load of bollocks this man is talking. "Best railway in Europe or the world." Biggest load of bull I have ever heard. And, no, I don't blame the drivers or the RMT. You can only work with what you have and the rolling stock is outdated and they were mostly death traps. Imagine what it would have been like if they had run Pacers from these lines - buses on tracks.
They have treated all the major industries since old bag thatcher was prime minister and she called for privatisation of the railways etc
Didn't Norman Baker become an MP?
He did,and in the Coalition Government was a Minister at the Department for Transport.
4:43 “I lost £50 million pounds last year” Not “the business lost” eh Chris? And there is the problem.
1:50 WHAAAAT arould 10% , i did know that br was shit outa cash but, didnt NSE be somewhat profitable??
Nothing has changed
I needed to know why they don’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for the main line Train so that they can extend the unused abandoned underground train stations.
Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock and that includes the class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign them an overhead line and also make them into Five cars per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 8-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into an 11 car per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers.
A Stock Trains and also having 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it more Larger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Railway tunnel into a High-Speed Railway lines?
The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Railway line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. Then put the modernised 11 car per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 cars per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 47 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project if that will be OK for London Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden.
oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from the Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden more Easily.
Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly Line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street can they also make another brand new underground train station in Chingford and could they extend the Piccadilly Line and the DLR right up to Chingford?
All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains.
Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and can they order Every 37 Octagon and Every 17 Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.13 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 142MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 142MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units, can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!!!!!!, oh can you make all of those Coal Boxes’s 17 Tonnes for all of those 142MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!! so please make sure that the Builders can do as they are told!!!!! And please do something about these very very important Professional ideas Please? Prime Minister of England, Prime Minister of Australia, Prime Minister of Sweden, Prime Minister of Germany, Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.
Such a joke to see Norman Baker sitting in second class. Not his normal habitat I can assure you! I remember even once made the guard unlock the first class compartment down to Seaford😂
Remember these were the better days before privatisation 😂😂
Back when we could still smoke in the mainline stations!! Another freedom of choice thats been taken away. That's one thing I miss the most from living in the 1980's and very early 1990's. Not having health and safety at every turn, not being on cctv every minute of the day and not having to rely on technology all the time.
WTF If UK government did more focus on road rather than railway (like US), why the motorways, or most cross country roads are built at a such poor standard? Narrow country roads (compared to US highway), motorways full of roundabouts crossings (roundabout has lower capacity than signal intersection), and even the motorway system itself is pretty broken and incomplete.
“Two jags” Prescott there who was all talk in opposition but did bugger all when in government.
"Probably, the most efficient railway in western Europe. Probably in the world!" Hahahahahahahaha This man is/was completely delusional! An they're STILL the most inefficient railway!😂
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Interesting watch for all those idiots who think that nationalisation will solve everything. What most rail enthusiasts refuse to face up to is that passenger rail, outside intercity, doesn't make money. The question is then how much the taxpayer should put into the system, given that the vast majority of people never go anywhere near a train.
You obviously have no clue WTF you are talking about. All transport, buses, trams, railways have some sort of support. You really need to check your facts. Everything is not always about profit. That's why we need to make employers pay a minimum wage of £8.72 per hour. If you can't pay your staff at least £11 per hour then you shouldn't even be in buisness. You must stay in a urban environment. If you don't see any good in subsidising transport then why don't we stop subsidising employers with working tax credits ect. Your obviously a Tory cunt. Fuck off and die.
Many people go nowhere near the motorway network, should they be self-sufficient toll roads?
Evelyn everyone uses goods and services that will have travelled over the motorway network, and the cost of roads is more than covered by vehicle and fuel tax. The argument isn't the same.
master Mac wow. A real charmer.
Mike Mundy But, that isn't what I am saying. The question is who should meet the cost of rail travel. The general taxpayer or the people that actually use trains?
If prices rise too high, and there is a modal shift away from rail, yes, there will be increased congestion, especially around the major cities. However, if you live nowhere near a rail line, that wouldn't be an issue for you locally, and you may question why you should contribute towards the cost of the rail network when it doesn't serve you're area.
Even now, with fares rising to shift the burden of cost to the user, the rail network still gets huge subsidies, especially into the infrastructure through Network Rail.
Did the Transport 2000 guy mention global warming! Propaganda started early.
Oh dear, someone is scientifically illiterate.
Rebranded to ‘climate change’ as if the climate hasn’t always changed 🤣
These long distance commuters are generally very well off - why should the taxpayer subsidise their fares?
A lot of motorists are also generally very well off (or so I’m told) - why should taxpayers subsidise their road maintenance in lieu of toll roads?
@@onlinefriend3889 they don’t - tax revenue from motorists (fuel duty, Road/vehicle tax, VAT on fuel, car sales and repairs) is far higher than the road building and maintenance budgets.
In the decades since this film was first made, the U.K. railways have got worse not better, even since the failure of HS2 - at this point, the ONLY solution is to invite in an external body from the CCP, Japan or Taiwan and to change the law to legally give them complete and direct control of the U.K. railways, with no interference of any kind whatsoever being permitted and to totally ban all trade union membership, making all strikes and industrial actions illegal, as we simply have got to change the whole culture that has held the U.K. railways back for decades, through a series of tough and draconian laws focused on improving the railways and ending privatisation, which simply does not work, aside from some (very rare) exceptions - in the last 30 years alone, we have seen fares go up, with standard of service go down, with constant disruptions and industrial actions and it is frankly unacceptable - deliberate mismanagement and wastage has caused the failure of HS2 and many other U.K. rail improvement projects to a stage where very drastic action is now required to get the U.K. railways up to acceptable international standards as the current status of the U.K. railways is abysmal and has no room for improvement - a case in point, aside from HS2 is the high speed rail tunnel under the Irish Sea from Holyhead to Dublin, but because of deliberate mismanagement and wastage it has been constantly suspended and put on hold due to lack of funding