FLY Falls Short at MSI, Can TL Redeem NA?! The WESTERN MINDSET feat. Zven | Hotline League 318
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
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00:00:00 Intro
00:11:20 t-bone's take: FLY has to blow up their roster if they want to make Worlds
00:31:12 nohrii's take: TL v TES is the best stylistic matchup TL could get
00:47:57 GreenCervidae's take: as Zven said, NA will never win Worlds because pros don't play enough high elo
01:14:35 Tatami Galaxy's take: FLY's failure might set up an interesting narrative for Summer
01:29:02 gamberino wants to talk about Western mindsets at international tourneys
01:38:35 Outro 
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00:00:00 Intro
00:11:20 t-bone's take: FLY has to blow up their roster if they want to make Worlds
00:31:12 nohrii's take: TL v TES is the best stylistic matchup TL could get
00:47:57 GreenCervidae's take: as Zven said, NA will never win Worlds because pros don't play enough high elo
01:14:35 Tatami Galaxy's take: FLY's failure might set up an interesting narrative for Summer
01:29:02 gamberino wants to talk about Western mindsets at international tourneys
01:38:35 Outro
Tl vs TES was a great stylistic match up for TES
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Yeah turns out TL could not turn it around for NA. More of the same 😂
cope
Yeah, the style of being good vs the style of being trash lol
The hubris of Yeon and CoreJJ to flip the game every time in the first 6 minutes
I stopped caring whether NA wins series at internationals a long time ago. I don’t even care if they win games tbh. I just want to see fun matchups where LCS teams go out swinging, but apparently even that is too much to ask.
This is exactly how i feel; and it's crazy that I've recently found myself cheering for GAM and LLA? (I don't even know the second team's abbreviation lol) more than I rooted for Fly. Despite losing, they always go hard and just fight and at least it's entertaining.
From my perspective with fly, it felt like inspired did not trust his botlane to do anything with resources (despite massu being far and beyond the best performing player at msi) and somewhat tunneled onto bwipo who ended up dropping the ball big time
The issue is that Bwipo did carry their first series against PSG, so his assessment wasn't out of nowhere.
@@damiester1massu was just as good slightly under tbf
Travis’s prediction for the TL games aged like mayo in the sun.
Americans gotta be Americans though
Use this as a like button if you want Travis to get some emotes
Zven calling out Travis for the lack of emotes is peak content
Cubby is 100% correct. We need to get the youth back into league if we want our region to thrive.
Supporting high school LoL clubs and Collegiate clubs is easily the best answer.
We're trying to reap crops without planting any seeds.
Yet nobody wants to do it so what's the point?
I think FLY lost faith in bot side somewhere during Spring Split. That or Inspired and Bwipo’s heads got too big from dunking on NA topsides
Probably both, lol.
zven is actually the beat guest.
2nd callers take aged like milk. Rip NA for another MSI
Teams are absolutely FOOLISH to not take in Zven
AGREED
Riot needs to partner with the NCAA to get LoL into the NCAA system and have it available as a program in every NCAA university.
Thank you for all of the content, Keep it up. Let’s go NAAAA
Can TL redeem NA.....no
Honestly, MSI should be replaced with Rift Rivals. I don't care about NA vs LPL or LCK. I just want to see NA vs. EU. That is it.
This was a banger of an episode.
the way the first caller went "BUHbye" got me good idk why
lol
"jojo jensen swap would benefit both teams" it would NOT benefit c9 what lmao jojo was for the most part the only sentient player on that roster last split and losing a mvp level player for a bang avg lcs level mid is NOT beneficial
fuck it get dom on the show please
Appreciate the early release of these for us members. Lets me listen while work is slower.
I agree with the c9 fan saying it's good with a vilian team in flyquest. But I think its reversed, c9 has always been the vilians and now we finaly have heroes in the form of fly.
Man I've never seen Cubby this mad. What a show
This was a good episode. I personally love the hate train hype. Actively rooting against fly, and I love bwippo and inspired. I love how blunt they are. Just need to have some thick skin.
I have completely given up on NA at this point.
1:40:32 this is the highlight of the whole episode
About the take at 1:15:03 I disagree entirely. "Hate watching" TSM is not the same as FLY. I never hatewatched personally; but people still loved Bjergsen, Dyrus, Widlturtle etc; they still liked a lot of players on the team across the years. People hatewatched them because they WON too much and their fans were obnoxious; they had so many titles they people wanted to see them lose. If LCS pushes this hatewatch on FLY it is because people dislike the players; these two things are not the same.
This episode was based AF. Shout out to Cubby and Zven.
People think fly are bad, but its not like any of the other NA teams are any better:p. NA's only hope is that c9 get it together
What has C9 done? They sucked internationally too in the last 5 years minus the year they had Perkovich.
@@MrBahki they should have the Player Strength to at least compete::p
Hear me out, super tournament of top 5 of every region and just have a blood bath.
TES vs FNC really tricked everyone into thinking Tian and Creme are bad players lol.
yaaaay
Commenting to say that I care about tier 2
Obviously Eastern mechanics are better because the practice enviorenment is better (SoloQ, Scrims), but I still dont get how Western Teams (LCS and LEC) having former Worlds Champions and seasoned Veterans on their roster, still dont know how to play Macro, it just feels weird seeing them lose on Map movement, Crossmapping and Objective control, it doesnt sit well.
They don't play enough games to experiment. You can't risk anything in Bo1s.
Zven!!!! Yessss
Zven rocks
we cut u slack sven maybe u should join flyquest or hopefully back to c9 some time or any team cant wait to see you come back from a loyal nobody hope u appreciate it
So calling your teammates vegan NPCS before an international tournament isn't too smart? That's a good tip lol
It's even funnier because of the way Bwipo and Inspired were just running it down. If you listen really closely you can hear them yelling "I'M NOT VEGANNNN"
Come on, all you guys had to do was to abuse Tian
Our region is so pathetic. Anyone who thinks Na’s performance at internationals doesn’t affect viewership is crazy. I legit can’t watch anymore it’s just so embarrassing
Im from EU and flyquest was even for me too painful to watch :(
And yet the region still question and don't even know why the viewership is declining smh
Hey wassup
travis i love you but if you host HLL tonight and then post the VOD tomorrow after the game...
The show is every Monday night! What do you want?
Bwipo, zven and inspire have great personalities…. Why is everyone got to hold hands all the time…. I actually want to see teams hate teams… keep it very competitive
my take on NA pros: stop complaining and get on with it, do your job! The only pros who seriously care about winning are the eu imports, give the major region title to an actual major region like CBLOL, more fans and more passion.
At one point in spring i was telling people flyquest could beat eastern teams because they were playing SO good. Very clear certain players need to ego check themselves and stop tilting themselves and the people around them. cough..... inspired.... cough.
Take a shot every time Cubby says "compete" this episode and you'll be dead by the end of it. Felt like I was going insane
Hey fellas, to no one, I care about tier 2, but when riot quit on it, so did I, and now the main league is half dead on a budget. They need to go super vegan, so tier one & two are both the same lol, there’s an appeal in that.
TES was actually so much better than TL macro wise in both normal lanes and lane swaps that neither draft nor mechanics mattered at all
Mechanics didn't matter? Did we watch JKL make Yeon look like a gold player?
@@EE12345 did we? did we watch the same game 1 where TL lost 2 dragon and 6 grubs and a herald pre 15 from complete macro gap?
TL 3-1 kek fcking W
I know hahaha so good right
Busio out… Zven in confirmed
FLY Zven supp 👀
TL win 3-1 TES 😂😂😂😂😂😂how hopium
My favorite part about this podcast is seeing the most delusional, hilarious NA fan takes that age like milk within a day lol
The only things fly need to do, consider changing busio. He was clearly a problem. They need some kind of leadership and apparently the small German child was the one who provided that leadership. Since he’s been out they have looked quite bad. So they need to replace him.
Maybe FLY had the super galaxy brain move to intentionally get second place domestically so they can at least win a couple of games vs other teams. TL might just 0-6.
Cubby has this weird thing where he can't shut up when someone else is talking
Delusional NA fans 😂
even if pros played flex who cares there grinding with there team against people who do unorthodox things and u can practice more against that shit witch other reagions do
theres other gamers i suck but plenty of them who would give more effort then who we have now should be a fuckin rule that they need to play solo q x amount not every one can be streamers streamers be toxic for clicks views and just for a reaction even though there not mad streaming is fake it till u make it in most cases then the internet will slowly expose people like we are doing now pros not playing solo q they should all be challenger or why are they a freaking pro???????????
NA MIGHT AS WELL JUST STAY HOME ON INTERNATIONAL PRO PLAY CAUSE THEY DONT PUT ENOUGH EFFORT
I appreciate Jenson giving a real answer to the question he got in that interview. Cubby jumped on it like it was a fucking christmas present. His reaction is the reason players never give real answers. Calm down, listen to what he was really saying. Outrage =/= knowledge. @Cubbyxx