@@u_t2347 he held his ground for six hours alone. The SAS operator was never alone. Try to keep a group of armed men pinned down for 6 hours on your own.
@@Milvus_In_Excelsis I've not long watched both back to back. Mr Morgan, had an armed security force with him that ended up shooting and injuring a member of the French assault team before they ultimately cornered the gunmen an tossed them a grenade. Mr "Craighead" broke away from his group an soloed 2 gunmen before the remaining 2 gave up.
Old Yorkshireman reporting in as a lifer Royal Marine and C Squadron, SBS. Never expected to survive from 1978 (at Lympstone) until retirement in 2008. Still have enough bits of internal bling fitted at supersonic speeds during another IED incident. It makes for fun going through airport security, especially with the wheelchair (result of a HALO,Jump) but to avoid delays in the airport security it was easier to just get help out of that fecking chair, then drop my trousers and take off t-shirts so they could confirm that injuries (not service related obviously) were genuine and accompanied by relevant scars! All good fun, yet I’ve no chance of dying in service as my metastasised Stage 4B terminal cancer will deal with that soon enough. Looking forward to those old mates that couldn’t make it and as I’m told by my haematologist I’ll be giving medical students a good laugh in a few weeks or so. Birthday 31st August 1960, but prognosis suggests that even that is a remote possibility. It’s been an interesting time whatever happens!
And to confuse you further the SAS has a boat troop which is trained by the SBS. And the SBS has a parachute troop which is trained by the SAS. Though I think the HAHO technique was pioneered by an SBS guy. Who incidentally, was a but of a legend but assassinated in Iraq - I think..
I remember in the Falklands war when the SBS came on board our ship. Immediately i thought 'thank f*** they are on our side' I'm 60 now and still think the same.
@@jamesperry8395 Think what you like about the man, you’re entitled to your opinion, but he’s statically speaking amongst the toughest most resilient individuals on the world, I think we can all take a bit of inspiration from that, just my opinion man.
@@rascalmatt6713 I was in a chip shop in Hereford a few years ago, and there were these Obviously military Americans in there waiting for the food and I asked how they were getting on (knowing full well what they were doing) and he said like wow, those guys are the shit, we work very well together. Loads of banter, but the job was getting done. They were Delta.
@@shermansquires3979 I was a Ranger/Special Operations Combat Medic. When i was in Baghdad, we lived in a large compound in the Green Zone with Delta, SAS, 3rd Parachute Regiment and Iraqi SF. I got into a foot race one day with a guy who turned out to be the operations officer over the SAS compound. Told me his name was "Bob". I beat him in the foot race and he was in the process of talking about it immediately after it ended but i changed the subject to the recent world cup draw at the time, in which England was in the same group as Sweden and a couple other lesser teams. He liked that i was into footy. I had actually lived in England for a couple years in the mid 90's so i tend to get along really well with guys from England. When he found out i liked footy and we had talked about the world cup draw, he invited me into the SAS compound where a bunch of guys were watching EPL on a 62" plasma TV. He introduced me and said to all of them that i could come watch football in there any time. When he introduced me, they were all really cool and friendly and said "oy Matt". I then, shortly after that invited the SAS medic and 3rd Para medic to a meeting with a Delta medic, physicians assistant and other Ranger medics. It was pretty cool. I was also Sgt. of the guard so i was over the guys watching prisoners and i was also in charge of a guard tower that would be manned by one Ranger and one 3rd Para guy. I would go up and check on them and i found that i got along with the English guys better than my own American team members LOL. At any rate, i ended getting shot twice on Christmas and never was able to go watch footy with those guys. We had 2 radio stations while there. One was US and one was British. I WISH WISH WISH i had recorded both. The English one was awesome because they had lots of family call in and say Merry Christmas to so and so over there. It would have been a totally awesome time capsule from 2005 to look back on and a lot of it was really touching because you could tell the wifes and children missed their man so damn much.
SAS is the OG.Been runnin and gunnin since WWII. While stationed in the UK, 8th AirForce, i had the privilege of taking a map and compas course with the Paras. Or so thought. We got to observe men climb with packs weighing over 100 pounds. They were clombingpillars. When you looked on the topo map the lines were so close they looked like brown dots. I was a Security Specialist and i spent those three days in complete awe. Who Dares Wins They have no quit. Watched men jump into what they called the sickener. Deep trench full of rain water sheep entrails and who knows what else. They had to jump in and make their way to the other end and climb out. Human mountain goats i swear
My grandfather was in the SBS after the war 2 we found out at his funeral what a man he was his back hand even at 65 years old was the hardest thing I felt on my face the power of his back hand was like being struck by lightning straight from my cheek all the way down to my feet and I would fall on the floor absolutely shocked I would not misbehaviour again apart from that he is was my only hero and still is what man.
You don’t really phone in for these people 😂. You’ll instead phone the police to tell them what situation is happening and if for example there’s a terrorist attack happening they’ll contact CTSFO for immediate response and also contact someone who’s job it is to inform the SAS/SBS who’s available.
I met an ex-SBS guy who started working for the company my dad worked for.. Suuuuper humble.. Me and my dad met up with him for a drink. Really great guy.
A major difference for a long time was that they SAS would recruit from any UK military unit. Para, Guards, RMP, RAF regiment etc. The SBS only recruited from the royal marines. Different now, but that gave the unit a certain esprit de corps.
British Antiques Roadshow had a segment on Rolex watch that was made in very short supply, specifically for the SBS, per their criteria. Had a subtle marking on the face, that indicated it’s unique purpose. A Submariner model with a letter T inside a circle. T referring to tritium .
My dad had his service issued Rolex Submariner stolen by the owner of a watch shop, took it in for a clean and when he went back the next day the guy had disappeared.
SAS assignments were made into movies and books . Siege at American Embassy, Iranian embassy. SAS also were eairlifted to theQueen Elizabeth ship in the Mediterranean Sea to deal with hijackers. All commanders go thru very tough training Salute and Who Dares Wins
@@sillysolly123 you’ll be surprised to know that a lot of time is spent sharing our training with the US and they share with us. We operate on the same battlefield a lot of the time so we need to know how each team operates. Don’t be drawn into the child games if we the best etc..
The original modern frogmen are the Italian commando frogmen of Decima Flottiglia MAS of WW2. They even had diver in WW1 riding manned topedoes like the Mignatta : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mignatta_submarine.jpg
Actually, SEAL Team 6 was commissioned in 1980-81 specifically for counter/anti-terrorism operations and was decommissioned (renamed) in 1987, which is the same year the SBS was formed and designated as the British Naval anti-terrorism force.
The SAS draws recruits for selection from all three services including the Royal Marines (and yeah, the RAF). I've worked alongside badged Navy and RMs in Northern Ireland. Never met or heard of an RAF person passing selection.
I guess you've never seen the SF Briefing Day then where it lists the most successful units in relation to Passing. The RAF Regiment has repeatedly switched 4 & 5th place with the RA for well over a decade.
@@pulkitvsmomentum1 Devils Brigade was doing it most of its renown fighting in Italy, SAS was putting in work since the African campaign. As a Canadian I love the Devils but SAS is the proto / original Special Forces Commando style unit that almost all current Tier 1 / 2 SOF look as their grand daddy essentially.
No one can praise these hero’s enough some Brit mottoes tell you who they are . The mind set of the motto “ HE WHO DARES WINS “ certainly is really the embodiment of all the special forces these have trained , set up , instructed, saving the innocents protecting the good 👍, eliminating the bad( With deserved prejudice for their actions against innocents). These guys not quite holy angels) ( we know some are) are glorious heroes. Their positive contributions to the English speaking and other Allie’s really catch the soul in very beautiful way like theJedi some. !!
I'm a royal marine. Served with the royal this guy's talking to. The bsb do the water stuff. The SAS do the air stuff. 90% are the same. There super chill. In a pub the chances anyone from a north American perspective would pick one out would be zero. I would think that the best quality I can think of that stands out to me personally from working with them in training exercises and in Afghanistan is that they look out for everyone in all roles. It would be really difficult to be like a bag of shit around one. Anything that would have be a mistake or an oversight in kit equipment planning anything you could think of just wasn't done. But they don't need a lot of high tech gear and support either. If anyone is interested in this kinda thing look up royal marines mountain leaders course. It's a specialization in royal marines which many in SAS and sbs have done. And they work with a lot. The ML were looked up to like special forces because the physical aspects are equally if not harder and colder. Mountain Leaders were the hardest soldiers I ever saw. They take no emotion to cold to another level. Quiet a few were nutters. I was compared to most marines. Fought a lot. Was drunk once almost had yo fight an ml. He let me 🙏 well that and after a said something to the effect of if I don't back down we are about to fight I think sobered quickly and shut up 😂
SAS have Air troop, Boat Troop, Mountain Troop and Motor Troop. SBS have the same discipline. SBS originally exclusively select from Royal Marines and SAS select different UK units. This has been cleared now so Royal marine can join SAS and vice versa. They're an interlinked regiment now, due to high amount of operations they're tasked with and government cuts they pass certain types of missions to 40 Commando (MOUT operations), Pathfinders (behind lines assaults), SRR (LRR), various others tier 2 UKSF regiments for communications and medical. Regards to high tech kit, they obtain these through working with US forces and research programs with Raytheon, General Dynamics, etc. However flip side to government UKSF cuts is unique training methods. One being noted by tier 1 US forces in Iraq where 22SAS would perform night time MOUT with NVGs. Subsequently US want these methods to train their UF groups for contingencies and unconventional situations. Apparently tier 1UKSF always keep innovating and lead to constantly training other countries SF and vice versa. Currently UK have the most SF operating in Ukraine, and I assume they're researching to combat/utilise drone warfare.
This short refers to SF2000. Before that, the SBS would only take Boots and Docks (both Royal Navy who wore the Commando Green Beret) and had to pass the SAS Selection Course to get on the SBS Selection Course.
Except Special Air selection is well documented. For Special Boat selection you apply to Special Air, go through their selection (which is hardcore enough), then if you pass you can apply to join Special Boat. At that point you start again from the bottom at a whole new selection, and if you fail to make the grade - you're 'only' a member of Special Air. 😳 The Special Boat Service is truly hardcore.
My observation which may not be accurate is when they require penetration in confined spaces like caves, the SBS would be called upon whilst SAS for attack in wider spaces. Perhaps because divers are better suited to operate in tight spaces with little air?
my father in law was ww2 brit secret paratrooper in the 90s he still couldnt talk about some secret mission .they learned how to do everything in the dark .....
Sir Archibald David Sterling DSO OBE. AKA the Phantom Major Founder of the SAS. Special Air Service. Born November 15/1915 Bridge of Allen, Scotland. Died November 4/1990 Westminister, London, England.
An exercise in the north of Australia. 1994. The marines were to land on a beach and establish a foot hold. We, Australian soldiers, not S.A.S got orders that were ambiguous. No actual time stated when we could go to the location on our map's. The orders were handed to us by an S.A.S warrant officer. "I would leave now before they find out about their mistake and hold you here for another 12 hrs". He said with a nod and a wink. We left straight away. We were set up and ready for them to land the next morning. We took 'em prisoner several minutes after they had set foot on the sand. We liberated their boot's and sock's. Waited for intelligence to turn up and interrogate them while we gave then stick for not being prepared for the unexpected. Hahahaha.
I use to go sailing in poole. And now and again the sbs would train in the esturey one time I watched them come down in a chinook hover over the water and drop a rib out with all it's crew then leave. That was a pretty cool day. This was like 100m in front of us (after we had de rigged and on land)
You are only as good as the next operation. That means we don't know how good we are until it's over. Reputation is a millstone around any outfits neck and any SAS or SBS member who shoots his mouth off about how tough they are will be asked to leave.
SBS are navy, their role is water /beach based.. SAS are army, their role is land based.. There was a live fire incident between the SBS and SAS it occurred mainly because the SBS wandered to far in land, into the SAS field of operations..
I read its the same selection but sbs has extra 2 weeks of underwater sleep deprevation mining Deming ships etc like the seals. sbs use to be from royal marines only but jow open to all navy
It’s open to all, but you have to have done the commando corse. Which is Royal Marines or all arms commando. Sam thing. All arms commando enables British army to work alongside RM. That’s the only difference.
@@heshtankon7212 *From recruitment page:* Qualification To be eligible for selection, a candidate must be male, and must have have served in the military for at least 18 months and have 3 years left to serve. That's it.
I think of it like this, possibly in my American ignorance: SAS is similar to Special Forces and SBS is more like the SEALs... Special Forces have Soldiers who are dive qualified, but that is just one of their methods of getting to the AO, they don't train to fight or sabotage in the water like SEALs are......
Unless things have changed the SBS guys do a shorter time as they don´t want ``Elites´´forming, and prefer a higher turnover of highly trained Marines, but this might have changed? The SBS were formed before the SAS, but that is another story.
Once you’re badged, you’re badged for the rest of your career unless 1. You’re an officer then you’ll only do a two year draft then go back to the RM ( same with officers in the SAS). You can come back as one of the SQN OCs BUT only if you’re top of the promotions board or 2. You fail your probationary period (rare but I’ve known it happen to 1 lad who is now back in a fighter company in the Corps).
The founders and the original SAS, the first country to ever do it. They were from the Army and calling it SAS was so if the enemy heard they were coming they’d expect it to be a airborne attack. The New Zealand SAS, the guys you call when your best isn’t good enough
My question is, does the SBS operate like SEAL's where you will find them doing operations on land and in the middle east where SEAL's were operating the same as many other special operators in the U.S. military such as Rangers, SF, and Raiders.
Yes, although primarily we’re more accustomed to stuff that involves the water, getting in/out of submarines without sub needing to surface, use of kayaks, rebreathers, parachutes, SDV’s, and pretty much anything you can imagine as well as the stuff that won’t be general issue for a good few years yet. I retired from RMC in 2006, which means a total time of messing about in the river of nigh on 28yrs. Given the opportunity I’d go back and do it again.
Not what I heard from the book written by Ollie Ollerton in Break point, Ollie was a former royal marine and SBS operator that was allowed to go and train with the U.S. Navy in training for deploying from a Submarine in a SEAL Delivery Vehicle. Ollie talked about how the training wasn't as relevant as the SBS didn't really do it in actually training but rather was a way to just train more and become more squared away.
Talking about doing it longer? During the American Revolution against Great Britain from 1775 to 1783, the Ametican Colonists learned from the Native Americans the use of guerrilla tactics to help win their independence.
I don’t think Special reconnaissance regiment counts as their 1 because they don’t do direct action stuff they’re (IIRC) an evolution of the old army intel cells working in Northern Ireland repurposed for other intelligence jobs.
Nop. They are not. They do a different job. Recce and surveillance is their primary roll. They are generally not offensive . 22 and SB’s do that part for them. Although regiments such as the DEPT/14 Int, did have armed encounters in NI back in the day. But as I said that’s not their primary role.
@@unbearifiedbear1885SRR special reconnaissance regiment they were at Op Barras watching the WSBs for a couple of days before the SAS inserted thanks to 2 SRR snipers Also have 18 sigs regiment who’s guys do go out on patrol and have to pass selection as well and provide signals support to 22 SRR and SBS
SRR are classed as tier 2 special forces, but as of surveillance and reconnaissance they are Britains tier 1 for that primary job. They do get into gunfights sometimes but that’s if their mission gets busted, but they primarily focus on personal surveillance in civilian clothes, reconnaissance such as observing from a far to see if there’s any enemy or important information in a camp/ base etc. etc.
Nothing between them as Ant said it is a personnel choice if you go with the SBS Navy or SAS Army both are the best there are, but I will not disrespect any Special Forces no matter what country they come from for this reason, they do the jobs no one else will do and are usually the first to go into a situation that needs attention too. Heroes the lot of them.
The SAS are called into to train the vast majority of Americas equivalent to the SAS, SBS etc. They are seen as the best in the world. Even ex Delta Force have been interviewed and openly said SAS is the best in the world.
I applied for the SRR but my regiment squashed it, wouldn't even let people do fucking pti courses. First dude I met from the SRR was in batus, dude didn't wear rear plates in his body armour, he'd tell everyone if he got shot in the back he deserved it because it meant he was running away, dude got abused by the 3 para mortars after for saying it, them boys were wild.
Conveniently left out the SRR lads, bit cheeky but where would you get you recce int from without us sneaky boys. But you want a quicker answer, that's more relevant is this. SAS call it "a brew up" SBS say "get the wets on". 😅 Jokes aside, no tier one Brit unit is ever so one or the other. You can have a team of 8 lads, 6 will be SAS, 2 will be SBS, depending on mission permaters. If you take a train youll have more army, you take an oil rig you take more navy. Best of both worlds. And we're still the best 💪
Well Special Land Service doesn't have the same ring to it, the only real reason they're differently named is due to their specialisations, but they work together a lot, a book called Zero Six Bravo is from an SBS guys perspective on the invasion of Iraqi where both worked together on a op, good read
I joined up as a REME TECH tranferred to Parachute regiment done depot p coy brize live firing then went 2 PARA You forget to say ant you were also a royal engineer ARMY do u get ta sbs like 21sas and 23 sas ?
The main difference is the SBS will get naked at a drop of a hat (being mostly Royal Marines) and say "wet" and "heads" a lot, where as the SAS will be barking mad and say "Ally" quite a bit. Both are good at their jobs. In fact the best.
One blows shit up under water the other blows shit up but stays dry. They are both totally bad ass SFs whose professionalism and reputation is revered globally.
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And don’t forget the SCS. Bringers of great sofa deals 😂😂
I hear the sale is now on
Hahahaha...nice one.
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'Sake... 😂😂😂😂
All commanded by Headquarters DFS.
Great story I just heard about recently is of "Obi Wan Nairobi" SAS Hero of the Kenyan Terror Attack.
Yes! Go check us out on TikTok! We have a great video about him
The DELTA Force Hero Kyle Morgan has a similar story that is much more impressive.
@@Milvus_In_Excelsis Mm, hitting no-one and waiting 6hours for a French assault force to frag them, isn't the same.
@@u_t2347 he held his ground for six hours alone.
The SAS operator was never alone.
Try to keep a group of armed men pinned down for 6 hours on your own.
@@Milvus_In_Excelsis I've not long watched both back to back.
Mr Morgan, had an armed security force with him that ended up shooting and injuring a member of the French assault team before they ultimately cornered the gunmen an tossed them a grenade.
Mr "Craighead" broke away from his group an soloed 2 gunmen before the remaining 2 gave up.
We truly are blessed to have such amazing people protecting uk 🇬🇧 interests
Old Yorkshireman reporting in as a lifer Royal Marine and C Squadron, SBS. Never expected to survive from 1978 (at Lympstone) until retirement in 2008. Still have enough bits of internal bling fitted at supersonic speeds during another IED incident. It makes for fun going through airport security, especially with the wheelchair (result of a HALO,Jump) but to avoid delays in the airport security it was easier to just get help out of that fecking chair, then drop my trousers and take off t-shirts so they could confirm that injuries (not service related obviously) were genuine and accompanied by relevant scars!
All good fun, yet I’ve no chance of dying in service as my metastasised Stage 4B terminal cancer will deal with that soon enough. Looking forward to those old mates that couldn’t make it and as I’m told by my haematologist I’ll be giving medical students a good laugh in a few weeks or so.
Birthday 31st August 1960, but prognosis suggests that even that is a remote possibility. It’s been an interesting time whatever happens!
Thank you for your service my friend, I wish you all the best & hope for a miracle.
Thank you for your service! Massive respect to you sir
Do you have any interesting stories you want to share?
You deserve free wets for life , have a good un. !
God speed, Royal
And to confuse you further the SAS has a boat troop which is trained by the SBS.
And the SBS has a parachute troop which is trained by the SAS.
Though I think the HAHO technique was pioneered by an SBS guy.
Who incidentally, was a but of a legend but assassinated in Iraq - I think..
Convoluted but funny
Sounds like the military to me.
Interoperability is key
So boat guys train boat shit and army guys train airborne shit. Makes sense to me 🤷♂️
Everything I’ve searched said HALO, HAHO were pioneered by the Americans not the British
Super Army Soldiers and Super Boat Soldiers 👍
@@Roadchickens45no shit sherlock
@@Roadchickens45 its a joke 🤣 From Ricky Gervais's "Extras" with Ross Kemp
I headbutted an horse once
Fucking gold! 😂😂😂
@@Roadchickens45you really are special huh
Sbs is the reason you don’t hear about Somali pirates much
I remember in the Falklands war when the SBS came on board our ship. Immediately i thought 'thank f*** they are on our side' I'm 60 now and still think the same.
I find the humility astounding, it’s always the hardest men who seem to be the nicest, a very unique cloth they are cut from indeed.
Ant Middleton is a plank though and isn’t the person to be representing the UK special forces
@@jamesperry8395 Think what you like about the man, you’re entitled to your opinion, but he’s statically speaking amongst the toughest most resilient individuals on the world, I think we can all take a bit of inspiration from that, just my opinion man.
@@torinbell7075 I respect that but when you factor in the lies and all the wrong doings he’s done I can’t respect the man one bit
@@jamesperry8395When you get over yourself you'll realise you are guilty of wrong too, just like everyone else, best not to judge
I love it how all of the American SF guys hold our SAS and SBS guys in the highest regard! 👍😁
we work with them.
@@rascalmatt6713 I was in a chip shop in Hereford a few years ago, and there were these Obviously military Americans in there waiting for the food and I asked how they were getting on (knowing full well what they were doing) and he said like wow, those guys are the shit, we work very well together.
Loads of banter, but the job was getting done.
They were Delta.
@@shermansquires3979 I was a Ranger/Special Operations Combat Medic. When i was in Baghdad, we lived in a large compound in the Green Zone with Delta, SAS, 3rd Parachute Regiment and Iraqi SF. I got into a foot race one day with a guy who turned out to be the operations officer over the SAS compound. Told me his name was "Bob". I beat him in the foot race and he was in the process of talking about it immediately after it ended but i changed the subject to the recent world cup draw at the time, in which England was in the same group as Sweden and a couple other lesser teams. He liked that i was into footy. I had actually lived in England for a couple years in the mid 90's so i tend to get along really well with guys from England. When he found out i liked footy and we had talked about the world cup draw, he invited me into the SAS compound where a bunch of guys were watching EPL on a 62" plasma TV. He introduced me and said to all of them that i could come watch football in there any time. When he introduced me, they were all really cool and friendly and said "oy Matt". I then, shortly after that invited the SAS medic and 3rd Para medic to a meeting with a Delta medic, physicians assistant and other Ranger medics. It was pretty cool. I was also Sgt. of the guard so i was over the guys watching prisoners and i was also in charge of a guard tower that would be manned by one Ranger and one 3rd Para guy. I would go up and check on them and i found that i got along with the English guys better than my own American team members LOL. At any rate, i ended getting shot twice on Christmas and never was able to go watch footy with those guys. We had 2 radio stations while there. One was US and one was British. I WISH WISH WISH i had recorded both. The English one was awesome because they had lots of family call in and say Merry Christmas to so and so over there. It would have been a totally awesome time capsule from 2005 to look back on and a lot of it was really touching because you could tell the wifes and children missed their man so damn much.
Our special forces train all the other special forces around the world. They are universally respected.
Don’t forget Australian SAS
SAS is the OG.Been runnin and gunnin since WWII. While stationed in the UK, 8th AirForce, i had the privilege of taking a map and compas course with the Paras. Or so thought. We got to observe men climb with packs weighing over 100 pounds. They were clombingpillars. When you looked on the topo map the lines were so close they looked like brown dots. I was a Security Specialist and i spent those three days in complete awe. Who Dares Wins
They have no quit. Watched men jump into what they called the sickener. Deep trench full of rain water sheep entrails and who knows what else. They had to jump in and make their way to the other end and climb out. Human mountain goats i swear
My grandfather was in the SBS after the war 2 we found out at his funeral what a man he was his back hand even at 65 years old was the hardest thing I felt on my face the power of his back hand was like being struck by lightning straight from my cheek all the way down to my feet and I would fall on the floor absolutely shocked I would not misbehaviour again apart from that he is was my only hero and still is what man.
These are the BAD men we phone in times of trouble and are immeasurably the best of the best.❤
They aren't police
You mean ' best of the best of the best'
You don’t really phone in for these people 😂. You’ll instead phone the police to tell them what situation is happening and if for example there’s a terrorist attack happening they’ll contact CTSFO for immediate response and also contact someone who’s job it is to inform the SAS/SBS who’s available.
I met an ex-SBS guy who started working for the company my dad worked for.. Suuuuper humble.. Me and my dad met up with him for a drink. Really great guy.
Nice to see Anthony Middleton again
One is navy, ones the army...both are always evolving and changing to meet ever changing world
Both are second to none..
SAS - SBS - RESPECT TO BOTH.✊️✊️
A major difference for a long time was that they SAS would recruit from any UK military unit. Para, Guards, RMP, RAF regiment etc.
The SBS only recruited from the royal marines. Different now, but that gave the unit a certain esprit de corps.
We're a lot of the original L detachment guys already effectively special forces (Comandos and LRDG)?
I spent a lot of time as a US Marine with SBS. Warriors all... And BTW Royal Marines are top shelf as well. I loved working with those gents.
Super squaddies and super booties.
Good lads, I've had the distinct pleasure of meeting a handful over the years.
British Antiques Roadshow had a segment on Rolex watch that was made in very short supply, specifically for the SBS, per their criteria. Had a subtle marking on the face, that indicated it’s unique purpose. A Submariner model with a letter T inside a circle. T referring to tritium .
My dad had his service issued Rolex Submariner stolen by the owner of a watch shop, took it in for a clean and when he went back the next day the guy had disappeared.
The T is a warning that Tritium is Radioactive to keep the hands being seen, normally banned as it causes Cancer.
SRR entered the chat, tracked you and gave your name to the lads
Yup
SRR selection is NOT full UKSF selection, a point I consider against them.
The sas can read And write their own names, but in addition. the sbs recognise their own reflections in mirrors
Very funny......
You had better be a soldier to make a wise crack like that.
@@billjonesjr8718or what you melt
@@Takutak866he'll call the internet stolen Valor police on you. Consequence will never be the same
@@Takutak866reduced to ashes
Fuck it's easy to spot a squaddie in the wild eh?
Uk, us or whatever country. Huge respect to them. Very noble thing to fight for your country.
SAS assignments were made into movies and books . Siege at American Embassy, Iranian embassy. SAS also were eairlifted to theQueen Elizabeth ship in the Mediterranean Sea to deal with hijackers. All commanders go thru very tough training Salute and Who Dares Wins
Be good to see ant Middleton on more podcasts he's an interesting bloke
just happy they are on our side well done lads
Ant is a legend
The SBS are the original frogmen, the American UDT and navy seals team 6 are based on these guys
@@sillysolly123 you’ll be surprised to know that a lot of time is spent sharing our training with the US and they share with us.
We operate on the same battlefield a lot of the time so we need to know how each team operates.
Don’t be drawn into the child games if we the best etc..
The original modern frogmen are the Italian commando frogmen of Decima Flottiglia MAS of WW2.
They even had diver in WW1 riding manned topedoes like the Mignatta :
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mignatta_submarine.jpg
Actually, SEAL Team 6 was commissioned in 1980-81 specifically for counter/anti-terrorism operations and was decommissioned (renamed) in 1987, which is the same year the SBS was formed and designated as the British Naval anti-terrorism force.
@@anthonybizzell3857 the regiment was first formed in 1940 and has gone through several name changes but it is still the same regiment
Ever since I heard of Ant's story I've wanted him on Rogan and Shawn Ryan Show.
Good pic of 4RAR COMMANDOS at the beginning too
The SAS draws recruits for selection from all three services including the Royal Marines (and yeah, the RAF). I've worked alongside badged Navy and RMs in Northern Ireland. Never met or heard of an RAF person passing selection.
I guess you've never seen the SF Briefing Day then where it lists the most successful units in relation to Passing.
The RAF Regiment has repeatedly switched 4 & 5th place with the RA for well over a decade.
"you guys have being doing it longer"
Bruh the SAS was THE FIRST special forces of it's kind anywhere in the world
@@pulkitvsmomentum1 different.
@@pulkitvsmomentum1 Devils Brigade was doing it most of its renown fighting in Italy, SAS was putting in work since the African campaign. As a Canadian I love the Devils but SAS is the proto / original Special Forces Commando style unit that almost all current Tier 1 / 2 SOF look as their grand daddy essentially.
Lol the SBS can trace its roots to 1940 and SAS 1941 so sorry son away read your history the SBS were around before!!!!!!!!
FACT 😅
@@146-relax it's just one year apart plus they're on the same 😊
No one can praise these hero’s enough some Brit mottoes tell you who they are . The mind set of the motto “ HE WHO DARES WINS “ certainly is really the embodiment of all the special forces these have trained , set up , instructed, saving the innocents protecting the good 👍, eliminating the bad( With deserved prejudice for their actions against innocents). These guys not quite holy angels) ( we know some are) are glorious heroes. Their positive contributions to the English speaking and other Allie’s really catch the soul in very beautiful way like theJedi some. !!
I'm a royal marine. Served with the royal this guy's talking to. The bsb do the water stuff. The SAS do the air stuff. 90% are the same. There super chill. In a pub the chances anyone from a north American perspective would pick one out would be zero. I would think that the best quality I can think of that stands out to me personally from working with them in training exercises and in Afghanistan is that they look out for everyone in all roles. It would be really difficult to be like a bag of shit around one. Anything that would have be a mistake or an oversight in kit equipment planning anything you could think of just wasn't done. But they don't need a lot of high tech gear and support either. If anyone is interested in this kinda thing look up royal marines mountain leaders course. It's a specialization in royal marines which many in SAS and sbs have done. And they work with a lot. The ML were looked up to like special forces because the physical aspects are equally if not harder and colder. Mountain Leaders were the hardest soldiers I ever saw. They take no emotion to cold to another level. Quiet a few were nutters. I was compared to most marines. Fought a lot. Was drunk once almost had yo fight an ml. He let me 🙏 well that and after a said something to the effect of if I don't back down we are about to fight I think sobered quickly and shut up 😂
Seems its more likely you live with your mum and play COD
Shut your mouth now bud.
@@andymccreight3175 tell me you’re jealous with out telling me you’re jealous
SAS have Air troop, Boat Troop, Mountain Troop and Motor Troop. SBS have the same discipline. SBS originally exclusively select from Royal Marines and SAS select different UK units. This has been cleared now so Royal marine can join SAS and vice versa. They're an interlinked regiment now, due to high amount of operations they're tasked with and government cuts they pass certain types of missions to 40 Commando (MOUT operations), Pathfinders (behind lines assaults), SRR (LRR), various others tier 2 UKSF regiments for communications and medical.
Regards to high tech kit, they obtain these through working with US forces and research programs with Raytheon, General Dynamics, etc. However flip side to government UKSF cuts is unique training methods. One being noted by tier 1 US forces in Iraq where 22SAS would perform night time MOUT with NVGs. Subsequently US want these methods to train their UF groups for contingencies and unconventional situations. Apparently tier 1UKSF always keep innovating and lead to constantly training other countries SF and vice versa.
Currently UK have the most SF operating in Ukraine, and I assume they're researching to combat/utilise drone warfare.
is this AI?
This short refers to SF2000.
Before that, the SBS would only take Boots and Docks (both Royal Navy who wore the Commando Green Beret) and had to pass the SAS Selection Course to get on the SBS Selection Course.
Except Special Air selection is well documented.
For Special Boat selection you apply to Special Air, go through their selection (which is hardcore enough), then if you pass you can apply to join Special Boat.
At that point you start again from the bottom at a whole new selection, and if you fail to make the grade - you're 'only' a member of Special Air. 😳
The Special Boat Service is truly hardcore.
My observation which may not be accurate is when they require penetration in confined spaces like caves, the SBS would be called upon whilst SAS for attack in wider spaces. Perhaps because divers are better suited to operate in tight spaces with little air?
SUPER ARMY SOLDIER...
Super Boaty Soldier?
“Same thing different names” is all I got from this video
my father in law was ww2 brit secret paratrooper in the 90s he still couldnt talk about some secret mission .they learned how to do everything in the dark .....
Props to David Sterling.
The SBS do everything the SAS can do, but they also walk on water. 😁
SBS vs SAS war games, SBS rig capture they're never lost one. If you're against them, you loose.
Both are amazing actually
Sir Archibald David Sterling DSO OBE. AKA the Phantom Major Founder of the SAS. Special Air Service. Born November 15/1915 Bridge of Allen, Scotland. Died November 4/1990 Westminister, London, England.
Both are bad arse and feared by all...🇬🇧
There’s also the SRR (special reconnaissance regiment) but you very rarely hear about them.
respect❤️🇬🇧💯
I swear I have seen about a hundred variations of this same conversation on RUclips shorts now
An exercise in the north of Australia. 1994. The marines were to land on a beach and establish a foot hold. We, Australian soldiers, not S.A.S got orders that were ambiguous. No actual time stated when we could go to the location on our map's. The orders were handed to us by an S.A.S warrant officer. "I would leave now before they find out about their mistake and hold you here for another 12 hrs". He said with a nod and a wink. We left straight away.
We were set up and ready for them to land the next morning. We took 'em prisoner several minutes after they had set foot on the sand. We liberated their boot's and sock's. Waited for intelligence to turn up and interrogate them while we gave then stick for not being prepared for the unexpected. Hahahaha.
I use to go sailing in poole. And now and again the sbs would train in the esturey one time I watched them come down in a chinook hover over the water and drop a rib out with all it's crew then leave. That was a pretty cool day. This was like 100m in front of us (after we had de rigged and on land)
When i was in nham i met a couple of SAS guys and had a few beers with them. Great lads and so kind.
Cheltenham btw 😂😂😂
Badass, no matter what
You are only as good as the next operation. That means we don't know how good we are until it's over.
Reputation is a millstone around any outfits neck and any SAS or SBS member who shoots his mouth off about how tough they are will be asked to leave.
SBS are navy, their role is water /beach based.. SAS are army, their role is land based..
There was a live fire incident between the SBS and SAS it occurred mainly because the SBS wandered to far in land, into the SAS field of operations..
same with denmark we have navy and army special forces. navy being frømandskorpset(frogmancorps) and army being jægerkorpset(huntercorps)
I read its the same selection but sbs has extra 2 weeks of underwater sleep deprevation mining Deming ships etc like the seals. sbs use to be from royal marines only but jow open to all navy
It’s open to all, but you have to have done the commando corse. Which is Royal Marines or all arms commando. Sam thing. All arms commando enables British army to work alongside RM. That’s the only difference.
Stop making 💩 up. There is no requirement to be Commando trained in order to go SBS.
@@heshtankon7212 *From recruitment page:*
Qualification
To be eligible for selection, a candidate must be male, and must have have served in the military for at least 18 months and have 3 years left to serve.
That's it.
@@JammyDodger45 I'm saying it used to be but they changed it a few years ago.
@@crazypaste - you're still wrong. It's not just open to Royal Navy it's open to any Service.
I think of it like this, possibly in my American ignorance: SAS is similar to Special Forces and SBS is more like the SEALs... Special Forces have Soldiers who are dive qualified, but that is just one of their methods of getting to the AO, they don't train to fight or sabotage in the water like SEALs are......
SAS is Delta Force
SBS is Devgru (ST6)
If I remember correctly Ant was in the army para engineer before leaving and joining the marines.
Was in the Army myself, probably the best explanation between the SAS and SBS it's really that simple 🫡
great story bro
Dont forget that whilst being military units, they work directly for the home office
He Who Dares WINS
CHINS
Mange tout
Or sbs “by strength and guile”
@jonathanparry7824 Na who dares wins is just simply better.
I remember when I trained once with SAS, tough guys.
Unless things have changed the SBS guys do a shorter time as they don´t want ``Elites´´forming, and prefer a higher turnover of highly trained Marines, but this might have changed? The SBS were formed before the SAS, but that is another story.
Once you’re badged, you’re badged for the rest of your career unless 1. You’re an officer then you’ll only do a two year draft then go back to the RM ( same with officers in the SAS). You can come back as one of the SQN OCs BUT only if you’re top of the promotions board or 2. You fail your probationary period (rare but I’ve known it happen to 1 lad who is now back in a fighter company in the Corps).
The SBS were formed a year before the SAS!! SBS trace back to 1940!!! Both Best SF in the world!!
The founders and the original SAS, the first country to ever do it. They were from the Army and calling it SAS was so if the enemy heard they were coming they’d expect it to be a airborne attack. The New Zealand SAS, the guys you call when your best isn’t good enough
My advice is dont fuck with any of them thats why they are the best on the planet full stop
My question is, does the SBS operate like SEAL's where you will find them doing operations on land and in the middle east where SEAL's were operating the same as many other special operators in the U.S. military such as Rangers, SF, and Raiders.
Yes, although primarily we’re more accustomed to stuff that involves the water, getting in/out of submarines without sub needing to surface, use of kayaks, rebreathers, parachutes, SDV’s, and pretty much anything you can imagine as well as the stuff that won’t be general issue for a good few years yet. I retired from RMC in 2006, which means a total time of messing about in the river of nigh on 28yrs.
Given the opportunity I’d go back and do it again.
They say in years past (pre gwot), the SAS was better funded than SBS. So better acces to equipment for operators. Not sure if still the case.
The SBS do stuff involving submarines and are a lot quieter about what they do.
Not what I heard from the book written by Ollie Ollerton in Break point, Ollie was a former royal marine and SBS operator that was allowed to go and train with the U.S. Navy in training for deploying from a Submarine in a SEAL Delivery Vehicle. Ollie talked about how the training wasn't as relevant as the SBS didn't really do it in actually training but rather was a way to just train more and become more squared away.
Talking about doing it longer? During the American Revolution against Great Britain from 1775 to 1783, the Ametican Colonists learned from the Native Americans the use of guerrilla tactics to help win their independence.
Be nice to here more about SRR and some of there missions.
You won’t hear a lot from them, ultra secretive
Lol I was trying to guess what the “B” stood for before he mentioned it and my mind went to “boat”.
Genius
Special Reconnaissance Group are also Tier 1, I believe
I don’t think Special reconnaissance regiment counts as their 1 because they don’t do direct action stuff they’re (IIRC) an evolution of the old army intel cells working in Northern Ireland repurposed for other intelligence jobs.
Nop. They are not. They do a different job. Recce and surveillance is their primary roll. They are generally not offensive . 22 and SB’s do that part for them. Although regiments such as the DEPT/14 Int, did have armed encounters in NI back in the day. But as I said that’s not their primary role.
@@heshtankon7212 makes sense given the name, I suppose!
@@unbearifiedbear1885SRR special reconnaissance regiment they were at Op Barras watching the WSBs for a couple of days before the SAS inserted thanks to 2 SRR snipers
Also have 18 sigs regiment who’s guys do go out on patrol and have to pass selection as well and provide signals support to 22 SRR and SBS
SRR are classed as tier 2 special forces, but as of surveillance and reconnaissance they are Britains tier 1 for that primary job. They do get into gunfights sometimes but that’s if their mission gets busted, but they primarily focus on personal surveillance in civilian clothes, reconnaissance such as observing from a far to see if there’s any enemy or important information in a camp/ base etc. etc.
Nothing between them as Ant said it is a personnel choice if you go with the SBS Navy or SAS Army both are the best there are, but I will not disrespect any Special Forces no matter what country they come from for this reason, they do the jobs no one else will do and are usually the first to go into a situation that needs attention too. Heroes the lot of them.
Y’all should do delta force vs sas
The SAS are called into to train the vast majority of Americas equivalent to the SAS, SBS etc. They are seen as the best in the world. Even ex Delta Force have been interviewed and openly said SAS is the best in the world.
@@dazzag it’s just an American instantly thinking that delta are the best
My dad was in the SAS but he never talks about it.
So was my Mum but she always talks about it😅
One comes from
Below! And one comes from above! And they meet in the middle.
And then there’s the SRR and 18 Signals and 30 Squadron that no one talks about.
148 battery
I applied for the SRR but my regiment squashed it, wouldn't even let people do fucking pti courses.
First dude I met from the SRR was in batus, dude didn't wear rear plates in his body armour, he'd tell everyone if he got shot in the back he deserved it because it meant he was running away, dude got abused by the 3 para mortars after for saying it, them boys were wild.
@@valentineX1Xwhen you say abused and 3 para mortars in 1 sentence, that can only mean 1 thing!
Whoever edited this, the man's words were interesting enough without the loud "inspirational" music drowning hum out.
Right on
dean stott does a great interview with jocko willink, and describes a little bit about how the pipelines work. very interesting
@thestandeasypodcast did an interview with former SAS operator Lindsay Bruce and he talks about it on that.
My great uncle David was in the Royal Marines
Conveniently left out the SRR lads, bit cheeky but where would you get you recce int from without us sneaky boys. But you want a quicker answer, that's more relevant is this. SAS call it "a brew up" SBS say "get the wets on". 😅
Jokes aside, no tier one Brit unit is ever so one or the other. You can have a team of 8 lads, 6 will be SAS, 2 will be SBS, depending on mission permaters. If you take a train youll have more army, you take an oil rig you take more navy. Best of both worlds. And we're still the best 💪
Also, SBS has James Bond and SAS has Captain Price. 😅
That’s probably the only real difference in modern times lol
I don't think Bond was originally written as ex SBS. It was I believe hinted, that he was a former member of 30 Assault Unit of the Comandos
@hmshood319 he's wearing SBS officer uniform, Pierce Brosnan era
@saltymonke3682 in that case, consider me corrected
@@hmshood319 I'm just saying
It's Boats - clue's in the title.
So, SBS is Royal Navy and is short for Special Boat Service. SAS is British Army and is short for Special Air Service.
The RAF has left the chat…
Well Special Land Service doesn't have the same ring to it, the only real reason they're differently named is due to their specialisations, but they work together a lot, a book called Zero Six Bravo is from an SBS guys perspective on the invasion of Iraqi where both worked together on a op, good read
Was named SAS to confuse the Germans in WW2 into thinking it had something to do with RAF etc
All signs in Poole now say service not squadron.
You can also do the all arms commando course to get your green beret which is pretty cool
I think more than anything it’s just a matter of whether it’s a Ariel insertion or aquatic.
I almost signed up to be a royal marine but I went too prison instead.
I joined up as a REME TECH tranferred to Parachute regiment done depot p coy brize live firing then went 2 PARA You forget to say ant you were also a royal engineer ARMY do u get ta sbs like 21sas and 23 sas ?
the SBS are doing all the dodgy stuff in Ukraine right now.
The main difference is the SBS will get naked at a drop of a hat (being mostly Royal Marines) and say "wet" and "heads" a lot, where as the SAS will be barking mad and say "Ally" quite a bit. Both are good at their jobs. In fact the best.
One blows shit up under water the other blows shit up but stays dry. They are both totally bad ass SFs whose professionalism and reputation is revered globally.
This video title is misleading. Ant Middleton is ASKING QUESTIONS about the SAS/SBS. Show some respect to the speaker and include his name.
So you're telling me that captain price had zero fucking business on that freighter
Pretty much👍🤣