How "Here's Negan" Changed The Audiences Perspective on Negan's Character

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    It seems that the fanbase is almost split 50/50 on whether or not they like Negan or not. For 50%, he’s a complex character that’s been developed incredibly well from a brutal villain to a morally grey anti-hero, and for the other 50%, he’s the man that killed Glenn. Well, this 50/50 rule may not exactly be true anymore, I feel like it’s more like 70% like him and 30% hate him, but this switch only happened for these 20% of people because of the episode Here’s Negan.
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  • @thethriftytypewriter
    @thethriftytypewriter  Год назад +71

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    • @viddog6457
      @viddog6457 Год назад +25

      You were supposed to destroy the Sith, not join them!

    • @thethriftytypewriter
      @thethriftytypewriter  Год назад +9

      @@viddog6457 😂😂😂

    • @zipperman6045
      @zipperman6045 Год назад +9

      Get the bag king

    • @SexPun48
      @SexPun48 Год назад +9

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    • @Astrotelevision-pi3mg
      @Astrotelevision-pi3mg Год назад +1

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  • @samaimson9753
    @samaimson9753 Год назад +1418

    They could not have picked a more perfect actor for Negan than Jeffery Dean Morgan.
    What a casting choice, and what an actor.

    • @flowers.n.felonies
      @flowers.n.felonies Год назад +31

      @El Gaucho I still remember the day I met Jeffrey at a con in Portland. Finally meeting the phenomenal actor in person that played the man who killed 2 of my favorite characters as certainly an eye opener for how good of a person he is irl. Of course I know he didn’t ACTUALLY murder 2 people but man was it hard to not see him and immediately remember his performance lol.

    • @alexman378
      @alexman378 Год назад +13

      It’s definitely inspired, because I for one, would’ve never thought of him when reading the comics. He looks nothing like comic Negan, and I had the attitude a bit differently in my head. But well, that’s why I’m not a casting director I suppose, because JDM pulled it off way better than what I was picturing.

    • @cngotham4111
      @cngotham4111 Год назад +5

      @@alexman378 funny enough there's a specific actor that was in mind when kirtmen made negan but thinking about it Jeffery was a way better choice.

    • @alexman378
      @alexman378 Год назад +3

      @@cngotham4111 Who was it?

    • @QwestGrimes
      @QwestGrimes Год назад +1

      ​@@alexman378 I haven't seen negan in the comics yet, I'm on issue 43 right now but I'm excited to see him because I heard hes a great character.

  • @viddog6457
    @viddog6457 Год назад +1819

    At the end, I always thought her saying " don't leave me like this" was referring to the bag over her head. But also its weird that she somehow tied herself down which kinda feels like she knew she was going to turn into a walker.

    • @coreyflanders9674
      @coreyflanders9674 Год назад +170

      Probly did it Just to be safe, they didn’t know much about the virus.

    • @marysupernova7780
      @marysupernova7780 Год назад +181

      The only other thing that maybe makes sense would be if she tied her hands so that she couldn't panic and take the bag off her head. Due to the time involved in ending her suffering via a means like that: it could make it harder to execute the task, even if she's totally & all the way sure-sure of her choice.
      But even so, idk how she could tie herself up well enough to not be able to get it done in the panic, or put the bag on after that in the first place! 😬

    • @ogre5728
      @ogre5728 Год назад +40

      The main crew knew walkers turned without being bit very early on

    • @thog8385
      @thog8385 Год назад +65

      @@ogre5728 main group were told by the CDC

    • @fankgaming7753
      @fankgaming7753 Год назад +71

      @@thog8385 yeah but all it takes is seeing someone die who wasn't bit to know. I promise you our main group wereng the only, and probably weren't the first, to know that's how the virus worked.

  • @MediaMinuteShorts
    @MediaMinuteShorts Год назад +817

    Here's Negan was so good. It doesn't try so much to make you forgive him (Negan) for what he did, but more make you understand him. He's a complicated character with morals. On another note, you should make a video on Four Walls and a Roof. One of the most messed up episodes, with a great conclusion to what No Sanctuary set up.

    • @princesschanel469
      @princesschanel469 Год назад

      I agree. People with morals cheat on their wife who has cancer with her best friend, tell a sick pregnant woman she looks fucked up then go on to smash her husbands head in right in front of her lmao

    • @LadyLeomon
      @LadyLeomon Год назад +7

      Morals??? HAH! 😂😂😂

    • @IMADINOSAURNOTABIRD
      @IMADINOSAURNOTABIRD 11 месяцев назад +10

      ​@@LadyLeomonI don't get what's funny

    • @TheDanggamers
      @TheDanggamers 9 месяцев назад +7

      @@LadyLeomoneveryone has morals. Just not everyone has good morals.

    • @Gamfluent
      @Gamfluent 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@TheDanggamersno one on the show has morals which is why I hate the premise of dead city, it’s time she lets it go it’s been a decade

  • @beardedweirdo790
    @beardedweirdo790 Год назад +334

    No split decision for me....as soon as he stepped out of the RV I was hooked on his performance and looked forward to any onscreen time he had from season 6/7 until the end

    • @flowers.n.felonies
      @flowers.n.felonies Год назад +18

      Couldn’t agree more. I’m rewatching it now and every time I see him on screen I remember why he’s one of my top 3 villains(/antihero in the end) of all time.

    • @cngotham4111
      @cngotham4111 Год назад +15

      While people may be pissed be his action I'll say anyone who thinks negan is a boring character is just wrong. Right from the RV he was already one of the most charismatic characters that we've seen in the walking dead. Personally I like bad negan and good negan.

    • @cngotham4111
      @cngotham4111 Год назад +5

      And while season 6 and 7 was meh seasons I'd say negan was the biggest positive.

    • @FreshZCORD
      @FreshZCORD Год назад +2

      Same I think it sucks that people left the show for a villain being a villain

  • @regent2125
    @regent2125 Год назад +206

    Jeffery Dean Morgan improvised Negan’s smirk to Maggie in the closing seconds of the episode, which quickly gained the approval of director Laura Belsey.

  • @kamakazeyt
    @kamakazeyt Год назад +141

    Tales of The Walking Dead should really have just been a backstory for all the villains. The Governor, The Claimers, Terminus, The Wolves, Negan, The Whisperers and hell even The Commonwealth. All these villains deserve more than a singular episode explaining their backstory, yet some only had 3-5 minute flashbacks.

    • @doomraven0
      @doomraven0 9 месяцев назад +10

      I think that's why i liked the Whisperers the most is because we got several episodes of the backstories of Alpha, Beta, and Lydia. Plus, they were super creepy.

    • @111cosmic
      @111cosmic 6 месяцев назад

      We dont need a backstory to the claimers, theyre rapists.

    • @StarKushExoticGalaxy
      @StarKushExoticGalaxy 3 месяца назад +1

      And the reapers, I thought they were badass

    • @Greenhawk4
      @Greenhawk4 2 месяца назад

      there was an episode about alpha

    • @deckzone3000
      @deckzone3000 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@@Greenhawk4 Non-canon.

  • @heivain4330
    @heivain4330 Год назад +678

    They could have definitely known that the virus was airborne, it was a whole 7 months into the apocalypse already. They very well could have witnessed someone turn without being bitten or heard about it happening. The Atlanta group stayed relatively isolated in their camp without many incidents before Rick came which explains why they didn't know but some groups could have known about it from day 1.

    • @fankgaming7753
      @fankgaming7753 Год назад +78

      For real. I don't understand why the Fandom thinks no one knew unless or until the CDC told them

    • @sachenmachen1239
      @sachenmachen1239 Год назад +24

      Yeah the group in ftwd found Out before the proper Outbreak

    • @justhere4food552
      @justhere4food552 Год назад +2

      Shit and hea I am a die hard fan since day 1 just finding out it was airbourne. Well, its been a while cut me some slack lol.
      *I remember something in that aspect during the Herschel/ Maggie's family season -He was suffering from that I think, along with some other disease? Then Negan or Abraham murdered him along with other survivors if I'm not mistaken.

    • @justhere4food552
      @justhere4food552 Год назад +1

      OH NOOO, it was the preachers or pacifists... Pacifiers group or something like that. I think the dude had an eye patch just like Negan

    • @shadowwolf9909
      @shadowwolf9909 Год назад +1

      Most early sanctuary outposts, especially the military ones likely fell because of an old person dying of something at night and chomping on people during the night.
      Just like the infected weapons attack on Hilltop resulted in a massive death count years after the start of the apocalypse. Because they hadn't experienced it before.

  • @sassquatch212
    @sassquatch212 Год назад +609

    My biggest complaint with Here’s Negan is that it should have been a miniseries. I’d like a 4-6 episode miniseries showing Negan from before the fall, to overthrowing the leader of the Sanctuary to him preparing in the RV right before the final scene of 616.

    • @tylergordon7579
      @tylergordon7579 Год назад

      @louis shut up nerd

    • @tylergordon7579
      @tylergordon7579 Год назад +27

      @louis lmao okay “Louis”

    • @8johh
      @8johh Год назад +19

      that would’ve been so good, but knowing amc there prolly gonna make a whole ass tv show about the saviors

    • @tenaciousb7868
      @tenaciousb7868 Год назад +1

      I could go for that.. watch him bap that kid from Hilltop too. He was even more ruthless before encountering Alexandrians.

    • @sassquatch212
      @sassquatch212 Год назад +9

      @@tenaciousb7868 Negan wouldn’t have done that. It would have been Simon as he’s the one that dealt with Hilltop, plus Negan doesn’t kill kids.

  • @RileyCoyote846
    @RileyCoyote846 Год назад +118

    I remember this was the first episode I saw of the show after not watching since like season 3. I sat down with my dad, who has kept up with the show the whole time, and watched this episode with him. And I fell in love with it. Jeffrey Dean Morgan is phenomenal as Negan, and the fact that his real wife played Lucille really just made the episode that much better.

    • @snerdterguson
      @snerdterguson Год назад +4

      The seasons aren't as start to find ish great as some of the first few, but there have been some great episodes and incredible scenes in every season. There are people who hate seasons 9-10, while for me, it features two of the best villains and the most terrifying villain groups, the biggest shock in the series since (won't just say it because you said you stopped after season 3, but those who saw know) Lucille "dated" two of the main group. And we get the biggest character arc in the series with Negan which was brilliantly portrayed by Jeffery Dean Morgan.
      It is one thing that, throughout the series, has never changed. The acting is top notch. Every season I would be upset when Melissa McBride didn't get a best supporting actress nomination.
      If you eventually watch, look forward to a tremendous few scenes with Negan and King Ezekiel in one of the last few episodes of the series.

    • @RileyCoyote846
      @RileyCoyote846 Год назад +2

      @@snerdterguson I do plan to watch it all through since I believe the main series is over now, so I’ll have to find some time to get to that

    • @damondaichikuroo1401
      @damondaichikuroo1401 Год назад +1

      same I haven't watched since merles death back in 2017 i come back to watch it again and everything was so interesting but out of all the episodes negans is my fav story

    • @doomraven0
      @doomraven0 9 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@snerdtergusoncompletely agree on the acting. There have been bad episodes and arcs in every season, really, but the acting throughout is just universally fantastic. There isn't a single performance that pulled me out of the series, even when i may not have cared for the characters on screen(looking mostly at you, stupid trash people). And although i never cared for the Commonwealth story in the novels either, Mercer and Hornsby were phenomenally well developed and acted characters in the show.

    • @filmography3930
      @filmography3930 10 дней назад

      THAT WAS JEFFERYS ACTUAL WIFE PLAYING LUCILLE?! 😮 HOLY WOW

  • @TheBlarggle
    @TheBlarggle Год назад +55

    Negan and Lucille might not have needed to be told "no matter how you die, you turn". They may have witnessed it.

  • @X525Crossfire
    @X525Crossfire 9 месяцев назад +27

    As to Lucille's "Don't leave me like this", Fear showed us that people found out in different ways how the dead came back. Gloria presumably died from an OD before reanimating, and Nick, Madison and Travis all saw Calvin reanimate after he was shot dead. It might have been that people who were in the cities, who saw the first Walkers come about from recently dead bodies in hospitals to accidents during the panic, knew from the get-go that anyone who dies comes back.

    • @colorblockpoprocks6973
      @colorblockpoprocks6973 26 дней назад

      which would sorta beg the question: why would anyone but Rick ever be unaware of that knowledge? Even as early as the first episode?? 😂😂

  • @whiskeytangofoxtrot9632
    @whiskeytangofoxtrot9632 Год назад +66

    here’s negan was probably my favorite episode of the show, that episode made me go from accepting negan as a character trying to redeem himself to the most complex character of the series and one of my favorites

  • @MistahJay7
    @MistahJay7 Год назад +90

    Would love to see more episodes of Negans rise to power with the Saviors

    • @MackAlton
      @MackAlton Год назад +6

      Yea like why did rhe governor get tbis but not him

  • @maryammenalagha8989
    @maryammenalagha8989 Год назад +104

    Isn’t it possible and probable that Negan and Lucille could have seen someone else die and turn without being bit? So that’s how they could have known you can turn anyway you die.

  • @supSuicide
    @supSuicide Год назад +75

    My original problem with Negan and the show was just how slow going it all was, it was like 2 seasons of the main cast being bullied. Especially amplified by weekly releases of episode, with that and mid season breaks made it all incredibly painful. I gave up and returned years later to binge watch on Netflix and my whole perspective changed.
    Maybe not the best to pander to a portion of the viewerbase who wait and binge watch on Netflix but it’s probably an interesting conversation to have about the balance of slow burning lower points in stories on weekly releases and binge watching and the viewers enjoyment.

    • @CommanderArmin
      @CommanderArmin 11 месяцев назад +1

      the weekly waiting game made season 7&8 just unbearable however if you had the chance to watch through netflix it’s actually not that bad. The dialogues were pretty good but the unlimited ammo in a zombie apocalypse was unrealistic lol

    • @doomraven0
      @doomraven0 9 месяцев назад +1

      This is why season 7 is almost universally considered the worst season of the show. Season 7 and 8 could easily have been condensed into one taut season with sadness, catharsis, setup, and payoff. Mercy and Wrath should have simply been episode 9 and 16 in a consolidated season 7.

  • @GuMeinPoh
    @GuMeinPoh Год назад +34

    Just because the main group doesn’t know about the virus being airborne untill Jenner doesn’t necessarily mean Negan and Lucile didn’t know, they could have easily seen someone die without being bit and comeback, thus figuring out they’re all infected

  • @jackmarshall3255
    @jackmarshall3255 Год назад +21

    I like the dog food part because it explains why he fed it to daryl when daryl was a prisoner of Negan and I think the reason she wrote that on the door because she was going to be dead on the bed and she didn’t want to be left like that I don’t think she knew she would be a walker I think she knew she was going to kill her self and didn’t want Negan to leave her there like that.

  • @tonyvillota21
    @tonyvillota21 Год назад +25

    This episode felt like an action/romance/villain origin story to me and I liked it. It was the key for us to understand how and why negan became the way he was in season 6-8. For the first time it actually made my dad like him from being a bad guy to being a good guy. He’s usually not a fan of that “bad guy turn into good guy cliche”.When he watched season 6-10 negan, my dad was like “I don’t like him,he must die😡” but after watching this episode and season 11 he was like “I like him👍, hope he doesn’t die🥺” . All in all, great episode.
    I kinda wish we get a prequel show or something about negan. Sure his origin is explained in this episode but I think it be interesting to see how he found the sanctuary, how he met Simon, how he met Dwight, how he started the saviors. And then the final episode would show a final scene where negan is behind the rv door preparing himself to meet Rick for the first time.

  • @marespunk2000
    @marespunk2000 Год назад +20

    One of the best anti hero’s in tv history

  • @GazerBeam2k
    @GazerBeam2k Год назад +23

    On a side note of the covid episodes... I really enjoyed One More... the transformation of Father Gabriel captivated me

  • @TPG_Plagues
    @TPG_Plagues Год назад +26

    I would say the main thing is , we cant expect the entire apocalypse to be what it was for Rick's group. Remember they didnt find out till Cdc and rick told them. But others clearly learned by living it. Remember when andrea and michonne asked the governor why they were sick and stabbed dead people and he was like uh what do you mean they turned? Cause his group already knew this. So im sure it's a simple answer really. Negan or Lucille probably experienced something that showed them early on that anyone dead with an undamaged brain will come back. Really we just have to assume that and take it as the answer cause it wont be addressed and it's the easiest answer.

    • @cngotham4111
      @cngotham4111 Год назад +6

      It's the obvious answer tbh I didn't even know this was a question lol until this RUclipsr asked. Like bruh obvously people figure shit out at different times.

  • @rhadpenguin
    @rhadpenguin Год назад +14

    One of the most underrated episodes of the show in my opinion. It's slow and isn't necessary tbh. HOWEVER, it is a beautiful insight into Negan's character and in my opinion, was a very smart move by the writers to include it so that all the people that loathed him would see things with better perspective. Very few people are straight sociopaths like an Alpha or governor. Negan is a very imperfect human that was corrupted by the apocalypse

  • @xwormbonesx
    @xwormbonesx Год назад +11

    I already loved Negan, but Here’s Negan made me sob so hard it’s such a good episode but I’ve only been able to watch it once because I cry whenever I see parts of it

  • @OG_Yaki
    @OG_Yaki Год назад +17

    This episode consistently makes me cry because at a young age I was diagnosed with cancer, and the same year I was diagnosed, my uncle passed away of a different cancer. I try to be the best version of myself for him and this episode just made me bawl my eyes out in a way I didn’t even know was possible

    • @madmonty4761
      @madmonty4761 11 месяцев назад

      He did also kill 2 fan favorite characters but hey

    • @Dom_C7591
      @Dom_C7591 10 месяцев назад

      I’m sorry you lost your uncle, but I’m happy that you are alive and kicking. God bless your my friend ✝️❤️

    • @TheofficialHollyWhite
      @TheofficialHollyWhite 9 месяцев назад

      I'm So Sorry I Hope You Get Better
      Amen 🙏

  • @shamallamajc2255
    @shamallamajc2255 Год назад +13

    Hey thrifty I just wanted to say, keep up the fantastic work. I watch all twd RUclipsrs but you are by far the best with every breakdown to every detail. Pit so much work onto it which i love and hives me even more perspective when i thought i already know.... One of the biggest lines from i believe 11x23 that hit me was carol saying "before the apocalypse we would've never spoken to each other." So underated

  • @trueconde5623
    @trueconde5623 Год назад +179

    Negan had the best storyline, Rick and his group needed a reality check and Negan gave them the best one

    • @whiskeymarie9560
      @whiskeymarie9560 Год назад +11

      They didn't need a reality check lmao negans killed and raped innocent people and some of his victims asked Rick for help

    • @dominiquerodriguez2276
      @dominiquerodriguez2276 Год назад +29

      @@whiskeymarie9560 Rape?? When did he rape people? He states that he has a no raping rule.

    • @JoyBoyGeeze
      @JoyBoyGeeze Год назад +8

      @@dominiquerodriguez2276He said “Negans”. Not Negan. The other “Negans”. As you could see some were out of control.

    • @dominiquerodriguez2276
      @dominiquerodriguez2276 Год назад +6

      @@JoyBoyGeeze oh okay I misread the comment. Thank you for clarifying.

    • @gRinchY-op5vr
      @gRinchY-op5vr 11 месяцев назад +11

      ​@@whiskeymarie9560any of his people who raped anyone were punished by death, dude had a no rape rule...

  • @cyruslames5360
    @cyruslames5360 Год назад +2

    I just discovered this channel and It's very refreshing. I like how you just talk about the episode or topic and just review it. Direct to the point.

  • @talkingonyoutube623
    @talkingonyoutube623 Год назад +16

    This is in my top 15, it is just such a great episode. Everything was perfect and even though I wanted to see Negan and the saviors, after watching the episode, I didn't feel disappointed, like the point of the episode was to show us Negan in another context and how he became the person we saw back in Last Day on Earth.

  • @hollyking8626
    @hollyking8626 Год назад +9

    I was binge watching your WD and GOT videos then this little gem popped up. Good timing.

  • @kaylemjoseph8727
    @kaylemjoseph8727 Год назад +13

    one of the best episodes.

  • @kinglibra912
    @kinglibra912 10 месяцев назад +4

    Negan made me keep watching the show when I was over it. One of the best characters on the show

  • @aidanmetham1543
    @aidanmetham1543 Год назад +10

    You should do a video on Morgan and his arc in the main show he’s probably one of the most compelling characters in the show. Seeing him go through loss and insanity is just so amazing to watch as Lennie James gives an amazing performance

  • @gamerxdunlimited4267
    @gamerxdunlimited4267 Год назад +4

    Great video I love negan’s character and the development he’s gotten he’s become such a different person from when we first met him. I love to see this kind of storytelling.

  • @TheRealBlackarrot
    @TheRealBlackarrot Год назад +5

    In a Fresh Prince episode Uncle Phil has to win a pool game to rescue Will & his cue is named "Lucille". Wonder if Kirkman was a fan or it's just a coincidence?

  • @Sovereign77
    @Sovereign77 Год назад

    As always, great video Thrifty

  • @WoWPines
    @WoWPines Год назад

    Amazing video! Great episode

  • @DourFlower
    @DourFlower Год назад +2

    Great episode, truly and great acting too

  • @cameronlott8625
    @cameronlott8625 10 месяцев назад +3

    i still love negan A LOT love how’s he’s trying to change and actually trying to become better BUT he still killed glenn and that’s one bump that i can’t an won’t get over

  • @tonespacespace
    @tonespacespace Год назад +7

    Its very feasible that Negan and his wife's experience from when the virus started, involved seeing or hearing about others dying without being bit, and turning into a walker.

  • @bishbosh4815
    @bishbosh4815 Год назад +3

    My main complaint about this episode is the timeline inconsistency. It makes absolutely no sense for the current timeline to have been 12 years and 8 months + into the apocalypse, and there's been another 6 months and 1 year time jump since then, which means we're 14 years into the apocalypse, which just feels wrong because it means that the first 8 seasons of the show and Carl's death was like 12 years ago and it just makes everything that happened feel so insignificant. What was the need for all these time jumps? I didn't mind the 1.5 year time jump from AOW to s9 because it made sense narratively, and the 6 year time jump after Rick left made sense for ageing Judith I guess, but then 2 more years come out of nowhere and almost 2 more years have passed since then and it's all just too much. Too much time has passed and it's so unbelievable that all these characters are still alive given how many died in the early seasons, and when you watch it it's like none of it matters anymore because the present timeline is SO far into the future. It also means Rick has been gone for 10 years or more, and with all due respect to Maggie, I know you never get over the loss of a loved one, but... Glenn died 12 YEARS AGO! I think she can move on

  • @multifantv1245
    @multifantv1245 Год назад +1

    Great video. I’d love for you to go over the episode Here’s Not Here. I think it’s a really good episode and largely underrated. I love Eastman’s character and I love Lennie James’s acting

  • @brandonsantiago2298
    @brandonsantiago2298 Год назад +8

    It’s not necessarily a plot hole. Maybe they already knew that once you die you come back. They could’ve known by seeing other people die and come back without being bitten. I don’t think we had to necessarily see it for us to know that they had known about it

  • @ethan9092
    @ethan9092 Год назад +11

    This episode is one of my favorite in TWD series. I just love this actor and his role so much

  • @koulor315
    @koulor315 Год назад +4

    It’s similar to when people find out you can cover yourself with Walker guts to mask your presence, the thing about it, There’s actually a lot of survivors that don’t even find out till way later in some years , some are lucky to discover it very early before anyone else

  • @mcsquidy.7881
    @mcsquidy.7881 3 дня назад

    This was a amazing episode and It makes you sad majority of the time. It's what truly shows what love a man has makes a man different

  • @liamphibia
    @liamphibia Год назад +3

    Seriously this channel is so underrated. It feels like the perfect place to review and talk about TWD.

    • @LightninLewis
      @LightninLewis Год назад +1

      He should do a video on the governor....

    • @liamphibia
      @liamphibia Год назад +1

      @@LightninLewis
      Oh yeah he should!

    • @LightninLewis
      @LightninLewis Год назад +1

      @@liamphibia The Governor too me has a way more interesting backstory, story than show Negan too me and is more complex...especially in the comics because of his identity switch. "How Philip Blake Became Too Far Gone" is a great title for that video... Negan isn't tragic at all too me except Lucille's death he was a flawed man pre outbreak and he chose the villainous path as a tyrant and he has to live with it he. The Governor was a kind, family man who lost his daughter and he was so devastated that it caused a mental breakdown he was a tragic character...

  • @elliart7432
    @elliart7432 3 месяца назад +2

    watching these videos after being a huge twd fan in elementary school and losing interest eventually feels like snooping around on an old friend's instagram to see what they're up to now a days, lol

  • @PuppetThanksScott
    @PuppetThanksScott Год назад +6

    Negan is by far my favourite character of the show!
    I loved him as a villain and I love him as what he has become. But to be honest, I always had problems with seeing him as a different person. Not because I was traumatised by his prior actions but because the writing didn't convince me.
    It must be incredibly hard to turn the biggest villain so far into an anti-hero of such a big show so I can't blame the writers for not convincing me.
    This episode never felt right for me, tho. I loved hearing more about Negan and his backstory! I'm always really hyped when it comes to the season finales and this one was great, but after rethinking about it a couple of times, I never felt good about it.
    I don't know what it is, but I didn't think this was a great way of showing his past.
    Negan's character change happened mostly during S9. Why am I saying this? Because that was the episode in which Maggie wanted to kill Negan, which caused him to show his true feelings. That was my first problem with him. It happened literally 5 episodes after Rick "kills" him and that was way too early.
    In S9E2, Rick has a short conversation with Negan in which the writers specifically showed that Negan has not changed yet (or he pretends to at least).
    There is a three episode long time that's passed which is like nothing and Negan suddenly shows all of his emotions because he was in jail for some time? If I remember correctly, there passes quite a lot of time in the show itself during these episodes, but still. Us viewers just have to accept that the greatest villain of TWD changes in less than 3h of video material? Cmon..
    And if that wasn't bad enough, we have that huge time skip as S9E5 is also Rick's final episode. That means, we lose even more even more time with Negan's development.
    Funny thing: right after that time jump, Negan tries to escape Alexandria to find back to his old life, so he didn't really change at all until he notices that things have changed. So why did they even show his and Maggie's scene that early?
    I don't hate Negan's development, I even love it and think, it's one of the most interesting concepts in film so far. Taking a character everyone hates for killing many main characters and making him a "good" guy. Absolutely fantastic!
    But it happened way too fast. They showed most of his development in like 5 episodes right after his "death" but then notice they still have like three seasons to write so they have too much time to keep him interesting.
    And I suddenly have to believe he's changed? Times has passed, yea, but his development stopped and that's frustrating.
    If he actually had a good development, I might have this episode even after watching it. But since this is the way they went with Negan, I will never be able to believe he's actually a different character now. That's the difference between "show" and "tell". They can tell me he's changed, but as long as they don't show me, it doesn't matter.

  • @mrsgtshepardxd6193
    @mrsgtshepardxd6193 Год назад +1

    6:10 I'd like to point out the dog food sandwich meal connection here, with Daryl being forced eat them when he was captured.

  • @NC-cf7kl
    @NC-cf7kl 6 месяцев назад

    That dead of the night round change music was really nice

  • @WolfsGimpyWrath
    @WolfsGimpyWrath Год назад +2

    Negan and Lucille knowing that you turn after you die could just be down from experience we don't know how long it was just them, perhaps there where others be they quickly died off.

  • @RealGaIaxy
    @RealGaIaxy Год назад +8

    Really good point about Lucille at the end. It's a shame this was overlooked, because it's one of the most interesting things about the world imo; that everyone starts off not knowing.

    • @cngotham4111
      @cngotham4111 Год назад

      I mean they could have just seen someone die before hand. It's not like it was the first hour of the apocalypse or anything. I don't see any error or anything I thought by that message on the wall it just proves they already saw someone get killed and then get turned.

    • @zxeninn
      @zxeninn Год назад

      i like to think that she meant "dont leave me like this" as in bury her

    • @maggiemagness7594
      @maggiemagness7594 9 месяцев назад

      ​@Frost_Rhino64 she tied herself to the bed. She knew she would turn.

  • @stor3
    @stor3 Год назад +3

    People don't even remember Abraham died.... He's the guy who killed GLEN🤣🤣

  • @artmanz
    @artmanz Год назад +2

    Only character worthy of a flashback within a flashback within a flashback within a flashback

  • @danielcarithers3345
    @danielcarithers3345 Год назад +19

    As much as I love this episode, am I the only one who thinks it’s really weird that after Rick cut Negans throat, no one picked up his bat from under that tree. Like, wouldn’t Rick at least want to destroy that thing for all the pain it caused? And in the eight or so years after the war no random survivor walked past that tree and decided to keep it?

    • @Dopeman702
      @Dopeman702 9 месяцев назад

      I found it weird none went back to get it but at least negan got to see Lucille one more time 😢

    • @mistasomen
      @mistasomen 2 месяца назад

      wasn't there a scene where Carol tells Negan that they buried it here?

  • @chisank
    @chisank Год назад +1

    Would be cool to see a vid about Morgan’s episode!

  • @kojuhh
    @kojuhh Год назад

    Homie got the Raid Shadow Legends ad in a video. Get that bag my dude! You deserve it! Congrats!!!

  • @lightningmonky7674
    @lightningmonky7674 11 месяцев назад

    This may have been the best singular episode of this whole show, it even works as a self contained story for those who've never actually seen the show , they could hypothetically just watch this episode and get something from it

  • @TheHonoredMadman
    @TheHonoredMadman Год назад

    One of my favorite episodes in the series and I only just barely watched all of it initially entirely like this month

  • @nickyqcarter.q9208
    @nickyqcarter.q9208 Год назад +5

    Am I the only one who became a huge die hard Nrgan fan WAY WAY WAY earlier in Season 10 than "Here's Negan"?
    Hell for me it was probably Season 9 now that I think about it, although even when he was a villain I thought he was a really compelling one. (His walkie talkie talk with Rick after Carl died in 8.) Even in 7 you started seeing hints at his compassion and humanity, 6 is the only Season where he's 100% pure evil and that's only case he's literally only in the final 10 minutes LOL

  • @kelsey2333
    @kelsey2333 Год назад

    This was such a great episode. It showed so much character development background to negan. I cant imagine this episode not being made. So it's crazy it wouldn't have been made without covid.

  • @santesia6222
    @santesia6222 Год назад +1

    I remember in Fear the Walking Dead people knew very early on that if you die, you turn, so they could have found out about it before.

  • @ericgan123
    @ericgan123 Год назад +1

    This episode really great. My wife don't like the character Negan even after he become "good" guy but after this episode, she empathized and understand by Negan became Negan and also make her fall in love to the song "you are so beautiful" by joe cocker.

  • @gpfedalto
    @gpfedalto Год назад

    nice episode

  • @fmfdocbotl4358
    @fmfdocbotl4358 Год назад

    As soon as I saw the show premiere I was looking forward to a few parts from the book and Glen dying was one of them, friends of mine that never read the books were angry about though.

  • @CriminaIlyInsane
    @CriminaIlyInsane Год назад +1

    What I noticed avout the show, that most people probably didnt. Is that no 2 characters share the same name, everybody has a unique name

    • @mateivaduva709
      @mateivaduva709 Год назад

      More or less, I get what you're saying, but in such a big world, this is applied mostly to major characters to make them unique. Still, good observation.

    • @isaaccarter9007
      @isaaccarter9007 Год назад

      In the comics there's 2 Tara's one is Tara chambler and there's other is the one in the saviours. But they changed the 2nd Tara to arat in the show so people wouldn't get confused

  • @chadbased
    @chadbased Год назад

    this episode made me cry so hard

  • @braylenlyons3378
    @braylenlyons3378 3 месяца назад

    This episode was so beautiful

  • @kimberlealavonne
    @kimberlealavonne Год назад

    This episode actually got me back into twd

  • @isoladellerosetv
    @isoladellerosetv Год назад +7

    For me, it’s one of the best episodes ever, maybe in my top five. That stuff you explained at the end about the authors maybe forgetting the timeline of The Walking Dead, I think it’s not true. I think they just wanted to be a little bit more mysterious… who knows, maybe someone died and they saw he turning into a zombie. They add just a little bit of a mystery in his past. We, because I’m an author too, we don’t have to explain everything… you can imagine it and for you as a viewer it’s more exciting..

    • @cngotham4111
      @cngotham4111 Год назад

      I was gonna say why assume they didn't know. Because Rick found out later doesnt mean negan and Lucille didn't. Maybe negan saw someone get stabbed or something during the begging of the zombie apocalypse I'm actually a bit more surprise that ricks group didn't see someome get killed earlier I'd be expected alot of people to kill each other when the world ends.

  • @kayla-xd7hi
    @kayla-xd7hi 4 месяца назад

    As soon as i seen this episode i changed my perspective n started understanding n liking him😭😭😭

  • @dhughesy2023
    @dhughesy2023 10 месяцев назад +1

    It’s hard to say but this might genuinely be my favourite episode of the entire show.

  • @jjkilhij9531
    @jjkilhij9531 Год назад +6

    I thoroughly enjoy this episode and honestly (this might be a hot take), I really wouldn’t have minded if this ended up being the last we saw of Negan. He gets rid of the bat like in the comics and then goes on to do his own thing after helping the group.
    Personally, while still liking his presence and quite a few of his scenes, I feel like s11 tried TOO hard to prove to us that he was a “good guy” now rather than just being the morally grey anti-hero. Still not too keen on the new pregnant wife thing either, especially with it being introduced offscreen (though I don’t mind Annie herself as a character)

  • @clockyaaron683
    @clockyaaron683 Год назад

    episode genuinely made me cry and kinda understand how Negan ended up where he did in s7

  • @sheeshore
    @sheeshore 7 месяцев назад +1

    Why would Lucille and Negan *not* know about turning when they die? It's 7 months into the apocalypse lmao

  • @spacepope87
    @spacepope87 9 месяцев назад

    I took it as her not wanting to be alone. Reminded me a bit of The English Patient.

  • @autismriley5025
    @autismriley5025 Год назад

    When seeing how Negan acted with the wisperers and in Alexandra I liked him, “Heres Negan” make me love him

  • @xiNerdLordix
    @xiNerdLordix Год назад +2

    I think different people figured things out at different rates. It's not impossible to assume that Negan and Lucille witnessed people turning without being bitten by this point. Unlikely sure, because they were pretty isolated, but still.

  • @boombombam3780
    @boombombam3780 4 месяца назад

    I’m soo glad you mentioned that at the end I was thinking the sammme thing. Like there’s no way she would now that she would turn into a walker???

  • @Vulpes_Shinbi
    @Vulpes_Shinbi Год назад

    Man, I loved Negan, shortly after he had Carl at the compound he became one of my favorites

  • @stoagymahalo5268
    @stoagymahalo5268 11 месяцев назад

    I think giving Negan glasses REALLY gives a character turn.

  • @xdc202
    @xdc202 Год назад

    Negan is such a great character & the actor is beyond amazing.

  • @derekharan_
    @derekharan_ Год назад

    Please do a vid on heres not here thats one of my fav episodes in the show

  • @scootervargas9323
    @scootervargas9323 Год назад

    I love how they had an Iron Maiden poster in the background! This episode made me very emotional I don’t wanna lose my partner so I can’t image what he went threw losing Lucille.

  • @reinmarren9959
    @reinmarren9959 7 месяцев назад

    “A paddle stuck with nails called Negan” I want to see that!

  • @tristanversteeg5738
    @tristanversteeg5738 Год назад +2

    also, i think negan and lucille saw people die and turn without getting bit, because how else would she know that she was gonna turn

  • @troesler81
    @troesler81 11 месяцев назад

    Negan the Walking Deads version of Joker's one bad day monologue.

  • @greekgod41
    @greekgod41 10 месяцев назад +1

    When I first saw Negan and his brutal treatment of Glenn, I truly hated his guts, I truly didn't think I could hate any man so much as I hated Negan.....I can honestly say I love Negan now, and he is 1 of my most fav characters in the whole series!!

  • @jetboy531
    @jetboy531 4 месяца назад

    Diverged was the first episode that I fast forwarded on

  • @koulor315
    @koulor315 Год назад +1

    I actually would love they ask Steven yeun back for a flashback original story for Glenn taking place before he even met the Atlanta group and later met Rick

  • @zefnyn6708
    @zefnyn6708 Год назад +3

    tbh i liked negan from the very beginning

  • @cooperbourke7717
    @cooperbourke7717 Год назад +1

    I loved this Episode!!! Easily the best out of the 6 Bonus Episodes of Season 10.

  • @siddharthshinde7085
    @siddharthshinde7085 Год назад

    whenever i see ur vids i feel like im listening to myself, u wud be surprised if we meet caz our thoughts sync a lot...like a lot
    great vid btw

  • @ryantruskowski2803
    @ryantruskowski2803 Год назад +2

    Here’s Not Here is actually my favorite episode of television history…and I will say Here’s Negan is pretty good too

  • @jacobwhelan45
    @jacobwhelan45 Год назад

    I’m pretty sure they’ve mentioned and we have seen that some characters knew from the start that dying turns you regardless. In the comic universe, Lee Everett’s group figured it out canonically before Rick even woke from his coma when Ben told them who had to have learned even sooner than that. Also I’m Fear, many characters and groups knew from the get-go that dying means turning. No explanation is cause for concern to an extent but it could’ve been in the realm of possibilities that they just knew like many others did

  • @Sumkneegrow
    @Sumkneegrow Год назад +1

    Apparently, Negan is able to find black hair dye in the apocalypse

  • @biggayballs
    @biggayballs Год назад

    Bro transitioned into the sponsorship part so seamlessly it made me laugh

  • @enzopalma5376
    @enzopalma5376 Год назад

    Bro spent so much time legit doing a scene by scene summary of the episode like damn bro

  • @HTV315
    @HTV315 7 месяцев назад

    The old Negan died under that tree where rick slits his throat
    And the new Negan is a kind hearted man like he was when Lucy was alive