I did, and it was significantly accurate. The AW4 can acquire my heart rate after a lifting set within 5 seconds. The Polar Vantage was never able to do it, even after I waited for more than a minute.
I’ve had the vantage v for 2 months and I love it! Is designed for running mainly and for professional athletes that demand more than just metrics but also an insight on overtraining recovery etc ... if you want for hiking it will not compare to a Garmin. If you are an athlete interested in training your heart mainly is great and it will keep you motivated. I recommend it highly. My wife has a Garmin that is $200 more expensive and is harder to get around and in my opinion not thought out for professional athletes but yet it’s gps is very accurate and the watch looks great. The vantage just got updated about a week ago and still has to go through a series of updates before the software is completed.
Quite a quick review ... Nothing about Cardio load, orthostatic test and recovery pro. Nothing about running power. I heard him say something was “subpar”. Well, such a small review for such a complex device is exactly the same. Please note that reviewer is not even stating on what firmware version the review is based. OHR works well in certain situations. For other situations, use H10. Being critical is a good quality. But nothing is always all bad. Because obviously, in this review, nothing good was said. Sadly, I still favor notoriety when it comes to reviewers. I do not recommend this reviewer as a valuable advice provider. Polar Vantages can meet the needs of people who know how to use it and what to do with the data.
fdaguindeau do you actually own one? I do and even with 2.0.7 it is still not a recommendation. It has to many flaws and bugs. The data is great, if you have a chance to get them. Oops lockup’s have been reduced, but still occur. Yo would buy a product, that does not have the best OHR ever ... and it is lacking a lot of functionality of others. The recovery pro feature looks great, but it is worthless if the watch does not track your trainings because of crashing. Maybe it is good enough for running professionals, that do not need a sports watch.
SerErris I own one since November 1st. No lockups, no oops issue whatsoever. Use it for running. OHR is for use when not running to monitor heart rate continuously. When running, H10. Features will come. Not worried. Fits my needs. Not here to recommend to anyone because I don’t know other needs.
Love my Vantage V. The optical sensor works great. Reflects my actual heart rate really well. They are adding more features for each firmware update. Yes, they did this with the V800 also. Not all feature released at the get go. Works great for trail run, Triathlons, pool swim etc. The screen is also really good in daylight. Screen is harder to read at night since some of the fonts are thinner in size, but other than that is has one of the best screens ever (See what dc rainmaker says). The touch screen works okay. If you are unhappy with the touch screen performance, just use the buttons. Also, they have one of the best warranties on the market. Great customer support also. They are always willing to listen and improve their product.
There are many reviews out there on these two watches that are much more balanced, and some of them are quite positive. I found your review extremely lopsided and negatively biased. I go along with the comments posted below by fdaguindeau 1 week ago. I did not care to watch your video a second time, but I don't recall your emphasising that Polar plans several firmware updates in the coming months to add back features that are present in other of their models and for bug fixing. Another key point is that for reasonable HR accuracy the watch must be worn snugly on the wrist. I have owned a Vantage M for 1 month now and although not perfect, I am satisfied with it. Another positive point that your review did not mention, I think, is the very long battery life of these watches. And so on...
Nop. It has Strength and others sport profile. Bootcamp, golf, etc. Its just heart rate sensors that don't work well. Even my amazfit GTR watch pretty close to the chest strap H7 results.
I purchased watch before review obviously. Completely agree about a gym based HR and step counting. I disagree about the screen visability ive never had a problem. Keep up the good work.
Polar Vantage V with H10 packed in. Setup : easy, 10min ok Display: Visibility (special check point because of online feedback) excellent w/o back light !, excellent with backlight, which is triggered by the wrist „I want to look on my watch and turn my wrist movement“ OK First day : 1 Pop up of the Notification view -> crash and with restart (ca. 2-3s): NOK , no data loss : ok (dit not occur anymore) bracelet : anti slide, with extra security pin: Top ! HR: Side by side comparison : OK H10 -> Polarbeat Vantage V equal with a 2 s adaption time: is ok There are actually indications to well position the watch on the („ right behind the wrist bone“), I managed t do it intuitively . And yes I have quite some pilosity on my fore-arms. I took the vantage V over the M , because of Gorilla glass display and metal body. I would not stand paying 280€ for the M and have quickly scratches and stuff on it. That is a very subjective ponderation of robustness criteria. One thing I count on is the route import into watch (upcoming in update roadmap),which the M does not support. Other features whose the Vantage V has over the M I will not use immediately. How ever the Training power feature seems very interesting for taking specific now conditions into account: Temperature , altitude, etc. H10 Belt +polar Beat, if you do not train with intervals or do not mind wrestling with multiple Apps for training fu. Same for the aw4. Polar M: Ambitious and comfort looking Multisport user, needing intervals ’n’ all in one place, do not mind plastic body, no need for altitude tracks, recovery fu etc. -> Most of us, including me (if i hadn’t had this plastic „allergy“) Polar V For those who want the best without further questioning or simply looking for the prestige (I can feel it wearing the watch) or those who have specific preferences only this watch adresses. (I do not want a smart watch, but a sports watch only.) Metal body Gorilla glass display Touch screen is handy, not absolutely necessary, but works also wet (under the rain) Recovery pro for preventing overtraining Download routes to the watch and all this in one place ( Ok you need the belt for recovery pro) Btw, this recovery pro feature I did not think to use. But it turned out to an excellent waring from over training. 1 week, 4 trainings + sleep recording autonomy. Wear it all day because its new. I can recommend it so far.
This video is really true, i have a vantage v and its not accurate in strength training or anything that push your heart rate up too fast. Its just good for daily heart rate if u want to buy it you have to buy chest belt for sure. But its a good looking watch. This review its the only honest review that i ever see for this watch. Thx alot
It's just plain sad of how underrated your channel is man. You provide quality content. Been a sub for 2 years now and just want to say thanks brother! Yeah i was hoping to get that polar, guess I'm going for the fenix
I think you are the only guy on youtube who makes reviews of watches showing the precision of heart rate accuracy on gym. I'm even improving my english just to try to understand you. Thanks a lot for your work. Greeting from Brazil.
Polar should have waited to release. They are fixing issues on the fly now but it's going to hurt for people who have to be between testers. I took my back as well. The Garmin 645 M is still my go to watch for everything.
This is what we get when gym guys make a review about a running watch with some smart features. Unfortunately the most common problem actually is anyone can be a you tuber and make reviews. Please stop making reviews about things you don't understand. Vantage V or M is for runners and nothing more. Have some smart features but not the most important thing. And your review was almost everything about smart features. And gym workout. That's why i love DC rainmaker, his reviews are very complete, objective and the most important is he knows what he are talking about
tiago ferreira you are 100% right this review isn’t fair because that reviewing doesn’t understand the main purpose for this technology. I’ve had the watch for 2 months and its just great... better than any other watch out there if your goal is to train your heart. This is NOT a watch meant for hiking, gyms etc!
I am a runner and agreed with Techy Agent’s review completely. I ran with Vantage M for 13 miles, my heart rate was inaccurate, GPS took like 10mins to be registered and the Step counts were so much higher. Most disappointing is the display, hard to read and the color is very dull. I returned the watch immediately after the run for a full refund. Not worth it. Polar did a bad job here, only the watch design attracted me to try it out in the first place.
justRunCycle I’m sorry you’ve got a bad experience. I got nothing but great things to say about my Vantage V .. my wife is got a Garmin that is $800 and it doesn’t even come close to it... the M model can’t compare to the V in my opinion. The Training loaf pro and recovery load feature by itself is pretty unmatchable by any other watch in the market right now ... just my opinion
hehe, had little up and down at start..but as i have use every Fenix out there i am use to the "start" problems..:) But now my V works like a champ, BUT..it´s not a smartWatch..if you after crappy things like apps and music on device..get another one. But for Pure run/walk and outdoor, it´s very solid this days.
I did return the Vantage V, for same reasons you discribe in the review. Will add that the buttons on the watch is altso 2 hard to press, just that to start the timer is just to hard and take to long time. Looks like the software is basickly old maybe they used to long time make this. Totally agree with this review.
I've had my Vantage M for a month and I love it. The screen works ok once u get used 2 it. The worst feature is the slow reacting HR. Also in indoor swimming the distance is all over the place. Can not recommend the watch for those who do lots of interval training and pool swimming. For myself it's a great watch.
Measures heart rate for indoor swim! It's so awesome. One thing though, that they are working on is that it counts only meters, then translates that into yards, which throws of the numbers. They will be fixing that.
@@henzik I realized it does not count laps (basically lengths based on pool size). It considers 100m as one lap. Any experience with that? (I just did not have a chance swimming with it yet)
Thanks for the honest review. I'm glad my M430 is still doing well. I was heavily looking to upgrade to the Vantage because I thought this watch would be great for running. I am gonna hold on to my M430 as long as I can. Maybe POLAR will address these discrepancies in future software updates...or else I will be forced to look at the Garmin Forerunner, Fitbit Ionic, or Suunto. I would hate to see Polar die with the Vantage series like Mio did with the Slice. Mio made a lot of mistakes: two reasons right off the top of my head were 1. No independent GPS. A real pet peeve of mine. I do not want to tether a phone to my watch while running. 2. Changing heart rate chipsets. Mio should have stuck with Phillips heart rate technology. I guess we will have to wait and see how Polar addresses this. To be continued...........
I'd love to see you do a new and more thorough review of the watch, now that the firmware has been upgraded a lot. Among them updates to the sleep tracking, which I believe is far ahead of the competition, plus thing like "back to start" navigation. While I think your criticism of the OHR and step counting is still valid, there is a huge part of the functionality you don't touch upon, namely the recovery system. I'd also like you to compare the OHR to other watches like Garmin, and ask Polar for an explanation of why you are getting such low performance.
I read many titles about Polar Vantage M and V. Differences? ... Amateur, recreator (M) and professional athlete (V)? Home budget ... Differences are stylishly diminished or stylishly emphasized, this is an impression when reading M or V views. With my age (over 60), 3-4 workouts per week and main OWS (open water) sport, I should be happy with Vantage M! Differences: Does it mean that M and V equally show heart rate (what's older: more important), swimming in the pool, GPS tracking in the sea, running a GPS track, except for altitude, which would have to show the clock with the barometer better . ... So can the answer be to the question (should it be the same) - to make it easier to decide for model M.
Another great, honest video. I have the polar m and am returning it. I do like polar flow but I can’t get past how bad the gps is and how far away this watch is from being “done”. No idea why they released these watches with so many things missing but “coming up later”. Why not just wait until it’s ready? No notifications? Just weird to me. I wanted to like it..
Sherry Cammack same with me. To use polar flow just need a polar strap and a smart phone but there you can’t import any meaningful data. It’s ridiculous what polar is presenting.
I’ve actually been waiting for your review before pulling the trigger. Wasn’t sure whether to go for an Apple Watch (steel) or this, you’ve helped me make my mind up. Thanks, Phil (UK)
Phil Boardman these two watches are not comparable because they are two totally different thing you should make up your mind about what are you looking for. Smartwatch or sports watch. And then the decision will be easy I have the Vantage v and love it, right it is not finished but I trust Polar that will bring it to where it deserves to be. By the way happened to me the same with the suunto spartan wrist hr it wasn’t finished by the time I bought it but then improved a lot. It looks like it’s the way to go today.
Pablo Horenstein 100% agree, but in this case, it would seem the “smartwatch” is a better “sports watch” too. I think only the Fenix 5X Plus is way ahead in terms of it’s sporting ability...
Thanks again, Eric! Glad I passed on this one. I really like Polar as a company and their H10 chest strap is awesome, but where they are lacking is in their software development. They seem to have great idea people on the sports science side, but for whatever reason, they can't seem to get things done on the software side. Not sure if it's because they don't want to pay for top talent, or because Garmin, Apple, etc have already gobbled up all the experienced wearable device programmers, but it's too bad that they seem to be falling behind for whatever reason. I had been using their Polar Beat Android app to track GPS on my trail runs since I hadn't decided which GPS watch to buy yet, but at one point after an update, that stopped working and they haven't fixed it in months, so that was kind of when I started losing faith in them.
I am a runner and agreed with Techy Agent’s review completely. I ran with Vantage M for 13 miles, my heart rate was inaccurate, GPS took like 10mins to be registered and the Step counts were so much higher. Most disappointing is the display, hard to read and the color is very dull. I returned the watch immediately after the run for a full refund. Not worth it. Polar did a bad job here, only the watch design attracted me to try it out in the first place.
Great review!! I was going to buy the Vantage but now changed mind to the AW4. I want it to track runs, swims, paddling and weightlifting sessions, what would be your top three recommendations for this?
For running, swimming, and paddling, the Garmin Vivoactive or Garmin Instinct. But for weight lifting the Fitbit Versa. For all of them, the Apple Watch 4 is the best compromise.
Melvin Chong You undoubtedly still believe in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Clause, also. Just a friendly reminder that your membership in the Flat Earth Society is due for renewal .You should be pleased as punch to know that it's been confirmed that the Earth is still flat, so stay the hell away from the edge, so you don't fall off and you'll be fine. Oh, btw, Climate Change is REAL, Munchkin !!! Duh.
Techy Agent - Would you consider unpinning the "Sherry Cammack" comment? Polarized comments (no pun intended) are not very productive for anyone and this comment is the first one available...
I've been waiting for this review from you. I'ts been a toss for me between the Polar M and the Garmin Instinct. I must say I'm really disappointed in the Polar! I hope it would be amazing as I a Polar M400 before and I really enjoyed the watch. Thank you for all the info and feedback on the watch. My next purchase will be the Garmin Instinct :-)
Michael Campher check out DC Rainmaker, DesFit or Wearables review of this one to get a more comphensive look into the Vantage V and M. I'm a Garmin user but I also have a Vantage V and this review really isn't good.
I've never accepted a cent from any wearable maker ever. I've trashed every brand, including Fitbit, Garmin, and Polar, making me one of the few wearable reviewers that now doesn't get free access to all of their products. On the other hand, I've also praised every brand too, I think they all have their respective strengths and weaknesses.
Those guys focus on cardio, I focus on strength training, so you should expect to have different reviews. For strength training, this watch is behind the times. The Fitbit Versa has a better sensor for strength training than this does, and that's disappointing.
Techy Agent true, Ray does focus on cardio specific info. DesFit does plenty of strength focused information, especially considering he primarily reviews devices focused on cardio specific use. You do provide a healthy amount of your perspective for both strength & cardio based use, which is why I watch your stuff. I feel this review wasn't your best as I've seen way more comprehensive/informed stuff from you however, thanks as always for providing information.
Fenix 5 or Vantage M(dont need V and i got H7 sensor)? Is Polar flow better than Garmin Connect? Its really hard to decide which watch looks better. I notcied that few Vantage watches got sratches on screen after few weeks of using. Maybe i should go for F5 after half year try Vantage? Nice rewiev gj!
If you have the budget go for Fenix 5. If not get Vantage M. I had Vantage M, there is some flaws but not a bad watch. Battery wise is good for per second gps on vantage m than Fenix 5.
If you have the current firmware that added timers etc on the 12/12/18 why didn’t you have the extra selection when you pushed the back button. I pre-ordered the vantage v and have not had a problem, polar were open and honest and said that they would start with the basic features and add the missing features incrementally (did you visit there website to see their roll out plan?) mapping and navigation is slated for a future update of the firmware. If I was going to run in the bush I wouldn’t rely on a wrist watch, so this feature is not high on my list of most valuable options. I have owned Fitbit watches and cannot actively recommend them to anyone, my wife has a Garmin and it has lots of gimmicky options that don’t add value as a fitness benefit. People buy brands like Fitbit, Garmin because they are the trendy, like people by under armour, Nike, hoka because someone said that they were good or just because everyone else has them and they want to be cool. Fitbit have a gps error for north/south use here in Australia and they admit the fact but don’t want to fix it because “it’s a very small market” they also admit to huge errors with heart rate and follow that with we want to sell volume. Garmin admit their heart rate is lacking but at least they said they are planning on some work to improve it. Everyone knows that to get accurate heart rate a chest strap is the best option, flexing your wrist introduces errors and all the manufacturers admit to that. Even riding a push bike with your watch moving up and down on wrist is not recommended. dcrainmaker is a very respected reviewer with a large wrap for the vantage m and v so not sure why you had so much trouble. He compared polar, Garmin, suunto, etc in a pre-release polar v watch running , riding, swimming etc and saw enough to be impressed and liked the firmware roll out plan. Polar wrote the code from scratch for this watch hence the firmware updates for features. A poor review overall with limited testing etc, won’t be selecting the “subscribe” button based on this.
Perhaps, but even dc concluded his review with criticism of Polar: facebook.com/1520674414849619/posts/2243247862592267/ Although it looks like (since he has a relationship with Polar) that he has since edited his comments after initial release, but I took a screenshot before Polar influenced his written review, as you can see from the above post.
I don’t have Polar editing my reviews, or anyone else for that matter. You may not like my review, agree with it, or my methodology...but at the end of the day I’m giving my honest opinion as someone who lifts weights (mostly) and has experienced significantly better results from competing brands.
Actually, it does appear his original comments are still up, you can find his final review here: www.dcrainmaker.com/2018/12/polar-vantage-v-multisport-review.html
@@TechyAgent I have watched his reviews and his aren't edited by polar. The vantage series are multi- sport triathalon based units check the polar website. You didn't review the polar flow website where all the data is laid out for easy analysis. This review is 100% the opposite of your unboxing video where you sang its praises maybe you should have used it for one its primarly designed activities. I know several people who upgraded from the v800 and are blown away with the vantage. Every manufacturer does updates to remove bugs, add features did you offer any suggestions to polar?
@@TechyAgent "Although it looks like (since he has a relationship with Polar) that he has since edited his comments after initial release, but I took a screenshot before Polar influenced his written review, as you can see from the above post." I'm not sure why you believe it was edited , or influenced/previewed/anything by Polar. I haven't talked to them in over a week, and no companies have any preview or anything of my reviews. Full stop. The post was never edited since publishing, save a few grammatical typos and one clarification on the syncing issues I've seen. That's it. I don't have any sort of 'relationship' with Polar. I'm just like any other media outlet, they send me loaner units for review, and then I send them back. Sometimes they do a conference call or meeting where I can ask technical questions to ensure accurate reviews, but no part of that is editing or seeing anything.
I have had the Vantage V since release with no real issues with visibility or GPS (I always use a chest strap for HR as I believe wrist based oHR is never going to be as good). I use the Vantage to train for long distance & ultra running. I feel the flow ecosystem is very good for endurance athletes. I am looking forward to updates that will bring navigation & notifications, and it might be worthwhile indicating which firmware version you reviewed as the road-map indicates navigation and notifications are on the way. I would also expect the various kinks to be ironed out over time as was the case with the V800.
@@TechyAgent Unfortunately, that is probably a fair point of view; although, Polar made no secret of the features available at release. Give it a few more months ... at the moment it is one for the Polar fans.
Peter Stevenson but that does not make the situation better, that bugs like OOPS during trainings, HR not as expected and advertised, Activity totally of be in the product. With 2.0.7 they only fixed the OOPS messages, but the other bugs are still there. On the good side I like the Trainingload Plus on my Vantage V a lot. As I also using the H10 breast monitor for my trainings, the hr accuracy is not that important. However it is still to expensive for what you get for your money.
I bought the M for ohr accuracy, its a total fail. I have a question for you. Why pay around 500 bucks for a prime ohr sensor if you are using the watch as a display? My polar OH1 is very accurate compared to the vantage, and the watch paired to it shows the correct hr... But just, why pay that much for a display?
@@gargos669 the Polar ecosystem offers far more than oHR (which I believe will improve with software updates). For example, 40hr battery life (good for ultras), power without additional pods, training load pro and recovery pro, adaptive training programs. With the v800 I observed Polar release many improvements and enhancements over four years. From my perspective this equipment is much more than just a display.
As always excellent review. Completely agree about Optical HR, yesterday i got Vantage M, AW4 is more accurate. I think Vantage is as accurate as M430, not more for sure.Hope that Polar can fix HR, for now it is not good as I expected.
@@TechyAgent It reminded me when I bought Suunto spartan WHR with Valancell optical HR, it was announced as a best Hr but results were much lower then expected.
Nevena Cvetkovic I must say that oHR (from wrist) depends on so many factors that I think it is going to be reliable just in a few years from now, so keep using your chest strap for the time coming, just to give you an example my Vantage v oHR is only 2 or beats under my H10 hr sensor. For the next few years I will stick to to my chest strap because I like accuracy an even 2 beats lower for me is a “no go”.
@@pablohorenstein759 Well i have tested a lot this sensor. It is not a bad one, just didn't meet my expectations. Average HR per sessions is somewhere 2-5 ussualy lower than on H10. It is better for my than Garmin elevate, and Suunto spartan sensor, somewhere near Versa (maybe a litlle slower than Versa) A think Techyagent was frustrated cos in a gym workout it cannot pick up a HR, because of really slow response on drastic changes of intensity. However for me personally it is not so big problem, cos it really didn't have any jumps and extremelly inaccurate values. Somehow have a feel that apsense of jumps and inacuraties are related to slow response on imtervals. Also it is a bit havier and round shape that has some impact on contact to skin. All in all for me as a runner does a descent job and I will keep my watch:)
Finally after a long time an interesting review (as for the product). Good job, welcome back! By the way my Fenix5 is counting steps while I am driving! Terrible.. Keep up the good work!
I agree with you Eric. I have AW4 with sport loop band and it´s very accurate at the gym. The bad thing is the native app for review post training, dont´n provides very much information. Perhaps, Vivoactive 3 or 645M are more WHR accurate than Vantage M for now (Vantage 2.0 firmware is out) and Garmin Connect is great for review workouts. Grettings from Spain and Merry christmas for you and Techy family.
I've been using Polar Vantage M for 6 months now. It is terrible in the pool. Completely unreliable measuring swimming distance. The watch doesn’t accurately record the distance. It’s off with quite a lot. Sometimes skips 25m, other times counts the distance completely wrong. Usually, the distance measured by the watch is significantly less than the real distance swam. The distance can be off by about 50% or more. The last time I used it in the pool it measured 650m when I actually swam 2000m. I contacted Polar. Basically, their response was: change your swimming technique, do not do flip turns ?!!! I'm not Michael Phelps but my freestyle technique is pretty good. Very disappointed with the watch and the way Polar is handling this problem.
I have the M and mountain bike the same route every other day and the GPS can move around even though same route. The heart rate is very good, haven't use chest as wanted to get away from that. The web site is good and watch face very tuneable. The only complaint is every time I move my arm at night the night light comes on and is very bright. The night heart rate over 24hrs is very interesting. I spoke to another rider with the V and he's says the same as you which I haven't found. The watch does take a while to learn your routine but I think it is very good so far.
I know that my polar vantage M is not the best.... but is there any other watch that have so long battery life? i really want to buy a better one (in the same price range) for my partner, but the 30hour of this vantage M is just so much! can you please answer if to have something to suggest? thanks a lot!
Hello Eric, fan here from northern EU, got myself a Vantage M a week ago and i liked it till i found it HR and "activity tracking". HR is pretty terrible, while running on treadmill lt went stupid up and how from 160 to 120 like every few minutes while i was maintaining the same speed and angle, so yeah, this is no go. "Activity tracker" was more interesting, i dropped it no cars glow box it counted like 200-300 steps few % of activity. So i will try to return it. I have seen all Your review but can't decide, which on overall is best for strength and running, advice please? :)
For strength and running, you’ll need something with a heart rate sensor that can do well in the gym for the strength training. In my opinion there are only two watches that I’ve tested that gave decent results with the built-in sensor during strength training and it was the Apple Watch series for and the Fitbit Versa. Those probably aren’t the watch is that most people would think of as being the most accurate for heart rate tracking, but interestingly enough, they are.
Did I get it right from your last few videos and you wear the Apple Watch 4 a your daily driver and your point of comparison? Besides: great review as always. Polar seems to really have drop the ball on this.
Was Looking to upgrade from polar m600, but keep hearing about issues with these and the ignite so have been considering other watches (ie Suunto, Garmin, apple, etc...), But haven't seen many reviews go beyond the actual watch in any detail. The thing I like about the polar eco is the polar flow data analysis in the app and on the website. I can't tell from a lot of the watch reviews if the Garmin/Suunto/apples have anything comparable. I find the information useful for guiding my workout/rest cycles and correlating my sleep trend to what I may have done during the day. Anything similar?
Thank you Eric! I was about to buy the vantage M and my brother too! Now we have to look around for another sport watch (don’t want Apple Watch) around that price and with same features. If you can suggest one I will appreciate!!
I’d recommend the Garmin Vivoactive 3, if you are looking for something with mapping features, the Fenix 5 bundle from REI is on sale: www.rei.com/product/121186/garmin-fenix-5-performer-bundle?sku=1211860001&store=149&cm_mmc=PLA_Google_LIA%7C404_194764%7C1211860001%7Cnone%7C1ce1adbf-2034-49d4-840a-7ff965e0d838%7Caud-553371945779:pla-349470546638&lsft=cm_mmc:PLA_Google_LIA%7C404_194764%7C1211860001%7Cnone%7C1ce1adbf-2034-49d4-840a-7ff965e0d838&kclid=1ce1adbf-2034-49d4-840a-7ff965e0d838&gclid=Cj0KCQiA6dLgBRDoARIsAJgoM4uBy23g9Yviz2WYEuzlcEGXqkH7plRSW5qmKJ6qtHxEdAujzACNbpIaAiySEALw_wcB
This is a hard verdict but unfortunately true! Even if zu forgot some of the main features like Cardio Load and Recovery. I|m a huge Polar fan and waited quite a long time to replace my V800. Finallz I m quite disappointed because the accuracy isn’t comparable to the very strong V800 at all. 😔 The Software version for 12.12.2018 v2.0.7 improved few things like the speed of the user interface and the light intensity during the training. However, the Vantage needs a lot of software updates to get out more accuracy out of the RAW data. I hope the software developers are capabal enough for this issues.
Thanks for your review...It looks I have to find another Christmas present for myself.... What would you suggest? I am thinking about Suunto spartan sport wrist HR or Garmin Fenix 5s. They are on Christmas sale now, nearly the same price...
Judit Szomor I don’t recommend you the Suunto. I had it for a year plus and I was not happy with it at all. It is not reliable. I changed it for the Vantage V and love it. Must say it is not there yet but I think it will be.
Once again Eric thank you for great review. I was intending to buy Polar Vantage M in January 2019. All I want is a good running watch. Will you recommend Garmin Vivo active 3 or Garmin Forerunner 735 xt?
For running, the Forerunner 735xt is hard to beat, and I think I like it a little better than the Vivo. However, if you don’t need as many metrics, the vivo is more comfortable and lighter.
When I’m using the chest strap, generally no, I don’t do manual readings. That may not be good, but I have an inherent trust in a chest strap over my manual reading.
Is it really that bad? I was going to skip Polar A370 and get the Vantage. Now I will get either A370 or something else.. Can you also comment on two of your recommendation? All Purpose Gym Shoes - Saucony Jazz Low Pro and Reebok Nano 2. Can I run in the Saucony on the treadmill? Do they fit true to size and do they have wide toe box? What do you use Nano 2 for? Interested in the Garmin Fenix 5X and Instinct. Do both have HR 24/7. How would you compare both to the Polar A370?
The Polar A370 is actually significantly more accurate, in my opinion. It’s shocking to see them release something that’s actually worse than something they released years ago. I still recommend the Polar A370. I wouldn’t recommend running in the Saucony or Nanos, because both of them are a low tread sole. I prefer low tread for strength training, but I prefer a thicker sole for running. You CAN get the Saucony shoes in a thicker sole that are more suited for running. Between Garmin and Polar A370: the Polar has a better heart rate sensor, but the Garmin devices are better in every other way. The Garmin Instinct does take 24/7 readings, but I can’t remember if the readings are done at one minute intervals, or if it actually does take a constant reading. The Fénix 5 does take a constant reading.
The A370 is a fitness tracker, the Vantage a sports watch. They both have OHR and I could not tell any diferrence in OHR accuracy. Just for the records and since so many faults in here, the A370 does not have GPS but could connect to a phone's GPS. Hence, GPS accuracy depends only on the phone connected.
@@TechyAgent Thanks for the reply. So you are saying that the A370 is only better in the HR sensor? I think I will get one of the Garmin then. The problem is that I already have the H10 chest strap so I would prefer to stick with Polar A370. Can both Garmin collect to external strap like the H10? I am so used to the Polar H10 and the Polar beat app that I would love to stick with Polar and get the A370. If the Garmin Instinct can pair with the H10, can I still use the Polar beat to display data from the H10 even though it is paired with the Instinct? Or am I forced to use the Garmin app? BTW, I don't really care about GPS as I don't run outdoor or use GPS for that matter.
Yes, I have, and I think I’ve reviewed both of them here on RUclips, So feel free to do a search and hopefully you can find those videos, I’m typing from my phone otherwise I would just share the links with you, thanks for checking out the channel!
codewriter I have the vantage v for almost a month so I think it is too early to talk about that things because it should be evaluated on the long run. I bought it because of that specific features and because their running program. I’m doing their 21k training program right now and paying attention to the watch suggestions, by now is going great but again too soon to say.
Gracias Pablo, you and I agree that "evaluation of these features must occur over time" - using accumulated data is how they were designed. Yes, I am also a runner and I, like you, find these features most intriguing. I had thought Techy Agent would have been a bit more comprehensive in the review. Really, i'm not having some of the problems he mentioned. Maybe he can revisit the review and let all of know what he thinks...
codewriter I have had the Vantage V for almost two months now, and fortunately it has incorporated my previous runs with a polar M430 into it's training load calculations. Thus my two cents on those features: Training Load Pro & Cardio Load status: This is great. It's relatively simple math based on proven concepts, well presented and very actionable. Traing to stay in the 'productive' zone helps me to keep up my running volume over the winter eventhough I don't follow a specific training plan right now. Only nitpick: If you stop training for a while because of an illness or injury, you will get 'overreaching' warnings for a week afterwards. Recovery Pro: This one required a lot of extra effort (3 tests a week with chest strap) and then told me that I was good to go every day. I eventually disabled this since I couldn't get much use out of it or the tests. It might be valuable to you if you train on a higher level, but for a hobbyist runner like me it isn't. Running Power: I get that it's better than pace for the training load calculation because it's height adjusted. So it's nice that it's there and working quietly in the background. I haven't yet tried to maintain a constant power level during a run, but I suspect it'll be hard. Power is based on GPS pace, and the instant GPS pace is really volatile so I suspect Power will be similar. Of course you can get (auto) lap averaged power etc. but I didn't see the need so far. That said I live in a very flat area, it's probably a lot more useful for people running around hills/mountains.
@@fabianneuschmidt160 : Thanks for your comments. Your experiences and thoughts are valuable to me and should be to others. Not all of us work or work out the same and it helps to know what others are doing or not doing. Glad to know that your M430 data was incorporated into the Vantage V data set. I also have "lots'a" M430 data. For me, Training Load Pro and Cardio Load Status provide useful info. I don't mind working with Recovery Pro to get additional info, although this is a on-going task... And, yes, I'm still working on Running Power... You mentioned hobbyist, that works... I'm just a maintenance guy, high level training and competitive running are part of my past as hip replacement and 77 years of age have changed things considerably. Honestly, the Polar Vantage V and all the other training devices I've had since 1964 have been useful but also motivational. Ok, time for both of us to log one more mile! Man, I've loved every minute of it!
@Techy Agent 4:20 Garmin Vantage Heart Rate Sensor? Hmm, it feels kinda weird though, Eric for Garmin to have a "Vantage Heart Rate Sensor", I'd presume its the Polar Vantage Heart rate sensor you reckoned? Some "talk-typo" eh? haha.... but in honest fact, for fitness tracker, Garmin can be comparable to the likes of Suunto. I do have to give it to Polar for them coming up with their first ever round faced watch (as opposed to their old traditional styled squared type), but for the features on this is totally bonkers... the $$$ investment should at least be considered getting a FitBit - in my humble 2 cents :) Steven ~Cheers from Malaysia
Rumor has it that Polar was trying to rush this out before Christmas and that they knew it was incomplete, and that a lot of these issues may get fixed with a firmware update in the future.
I went to Polar store here and had a look at vantage m. I found the over all built quite quality and the design was so good. And it was very light and comfortable as well. But the screen is extremely dim and the gesture backlight is insufficient. It needs dozens of software upgrades but i’m not sure that only software updates will solve all the problems. Then i ordered a garmin vivoactive 3 from amazon for 200 usd. I hope i made a good choice :)
My experience with the ohr on Polar Vantage M is very very poor. It's always lower than real, with random falls to 90bpm when I'm about 160+ bpm. It's NOT reliable at all, I'm sadly waiting for a miraculous update before my last day to return the device with a total refund =( I have to agree with Techy Agent, ohr and other key factor on this watch are terrible. Even my Polar OH1 and Mio Fuse optical sensors outperform it greatly.
Apparently Garmin fanboys are like Apple/Android fanboys. Smart devices, are getting updates. If you want to review the early release of a gadget, then you must change your profession! The Vantage V, is a REAL SPORTSWATCH THAT COSTS HALF PRICE OF AN OVERATED OVERMARKETED PRODUCT of Garmin. The Polar Flow app, is 1000 times better than Garmin's and the HR technology of Polar is waaay better than garmin's. Update your device and then make a new review. This video is embarrassing !!!! ( I always see and like your reviews but this was unacceptable!!!!)
I wish I had seen this review... tt. Got my vantage V a couple months ago and it is totally a disappointment to me. The GPS and software reliability are quite ruined.
Great points I m actually disappointed, I love polar products and own older products which ars soo great like rc3gps, rs800 and they should build on there solid reputation
Dude I like Ur reviews but few points should be included like All time display and then normal features as compare to features used by runners or daily runners .also many sensors don't give accurate reading means they get activated and give reading even when places against a surface like wood
Anytime dude, also I have seen many reviews where other PPL have compared products such as fitbit and Garmin . I would like too see in Ur review whether has these big companies made any change in there application , is there a new feature added which we use daily or are they just selling the same old thing in a new package . And I see Ur videos discussing points like wat is needed in a watch , like all time display n all , hence I follow Ur videos . Ur reviews are really honest and practical . Thanks
which one? I'm wondering if to get Polar Vantage M or Garmin 735XT or Apple Watch 4.. I'm not a runner, mainly pro squash player..+ skiing and occasionaly running, gym etc
Juan delichotti buenas.. el Garmin Vivoactive no mide aguas abiertas. Lo puedes ver en las especificaciones. De Garmin, solamente el Instinct, los Fenix, 935 y 735 miden distancia en aguas abiertas.
The Vivoactive 3 offers their own variations of a similar score called Stress Score. It analyzes your heart rate variability while you are inactive to determine your overall stress. Training, physical activity, sleep, nutrition, and general life stress all impact your stress level. The stress level range is from 0 to 100, where 0 to 25 is a resting state, 26 to 50 is low stress, 51 to 75 is medium stress, and 76 to 100 is a high stress state. It also gives a VO2 max estimate.
@@TechyAgent i often make the same mistakes. At least i listened to your whole video and found it very informative as all your channel is. Keep up the great work :-)
Yeah I agree with you, they seems garbage if compared with my garmin VA3 that has cheaper price, abundant feature, and also pretty accurate of metric counts. I like your honest review sir.
Not a fair review! Everybody knows that optical HR for hands moving exercises is not reliable - look on Garmin! Do the test Vantage vs Garmin during such kind of exercise. In this video, you can see that OHR in Vantage is 20 bpm behind but HR is decreasing -> needs more reaction time. Upcoming updates with navigation features and new DEC 2018 firmware update was not mentioned. Also touch screen control is not smooth after DEC firmware. Old activity tracking? What do you need more... Polar has everything what other competitors. Why did you mentioned features like Cardio load, orthostatic test and recovery pro which are features what other competitors doesnt have? ...and nothing about running power. Its a shame that these kind of unprofessional review can harm good products! But money are money... thumb DOWN!!!!
Sorry to disappoint, but the Apple Watch Series 4 and Fitbit Versa both have optical sensors that can accurately detect a heart rate during strength training. I gave the polar more than 60 seconds durng my tests, and not once did it get it right. Even optical sensors from two years ago from Polar themselves weren’t that bad.
Techy Agent Ok I see. In overall my comment was not just about OHR which is the one of the weird sensor tbh. I wanted to point out that you didnt show whole truth about Polar Vantages - their strength & unique features. Thats why many of readers will not understand their values. Its not just like another hiking watch as Garmin Instinct... imo.
Peter Black not sure what the strength of this watch is. And to be honest, the OHR sensor has been advertised as the best , which it clearly is not. Base Features are still bugged with 2.0.7. that clearly makes it a no recommendation. It may evolve later on, but for now it is not
My polar OH1 works very nice on the gym and running, it has a 2-15sec latency, but it gets your hr. My vantage M readings both running and doing gym workouts is total fiction. Averages 10-20 bpm lower, random falls from 160 to 90. I'm returning it.
Techy Agent, I was hoping you would respond to the question proposed earlier, maybe the weekend has been the issue... Could you let us know what your thoughts are about the Vantage V features mentioned in previous posts, Training Load Pro, Cardio Load Status, etc. Lastly, there are some comments which question the validity of some of your review. I am not trying to "pick a fight", just point out that there are those who disagree with some of your conclusions. Guess that's part of what you do. Anyway, I am interested in what you think about the Vantage V features mentioned. Thanks.
For sure, my review is always my opinion, nothing more and nothing less. So there will certainly be those who disagree. The only qualifier I would push back with is that I have had exposure to more wearable devices than just about anybody else, with a few exceptions of some other RUclipsrs, Who for the most part usually agree or come close to sharing my perspective. But I’m certainly no expert, I’m just the average Joe who has tried out a lot of fitness wearables. And I have gotten it wrong from time to time. Regarding the Training Load and Cardio Load: since both cardio and strength training exercises impact both of those scores, and since the built in heart rate sensor is terrible at tracking strength training - anyone who does strength training like I do will have training load and cardio load scores that are completely thrown off. In my opinion, the only case where those scores would be valuable would be for someone who does strictly steady state cardio exercise, like jogging or cycling. I don’t know if that makes sense or not, I can go into more detail if that wasn’t helpful.
@@TechyAgent, thanks for the quick reply. One of the comments mentioned "an honest review" and truthfully that is the best any of us can do. You have been doing reviews for a while and we both know the old adage, "honesty is the best policy." I can sense that in what you have written. Keep doing what you do... I see it as a service to the rest of us. For me, your thoughts about cardio and strength training are very appropriate. Lastly, Polar's reputation indicates they will get the Vantage V and M to an advertised point and let's hope beyond. I see a lot of potential for what is being done but, I'm just like others, I don't want to spend my hard earned money foolishly. Thanks again.
Check out a "real" review here: the5krunner.com/2018/11/08/polar-vantage-review-polar-vantage-m-review/ "Both Vantage watches are certainly candidates for the ‘Best Triathlon Watch’ in some category based on their feature set. ... Both ARE properly able to execute support for a triathlon race and, with only minor reservations, support you entirely though your training. If you want a smart watch with other fancy features (not sport related) then there are many options elsewhere"
@@berlin-ulli4319, WOW! the link IS an in-depth review of the Polar Vantage V and M! Yes, the Polar Vantage series is primarily for those who are most serious about their training. Those less inclined may find the watch useful, though expensive. One should really do their own research and know as much as possible about what they are getting into. Polar was the first wrist based heart rate monitor for runners and has a long history of first class products. Please note that Garmin also makes quality products. Again, do the research and buy the product that matches your needs...
No. I've been wearing mine pretty much 24/7 for almost 2 months now, and it looks like new. It's also a kind of matte finish so I doubt that small scratches would be noticeable.
Hey, I’ve just noticed the AW4 isn’t in your list of recommended products yet you seem to wear / use one a lot? Is it not as good as the others on the list?
Did you compare the optical sensor from Apple Watch 4 to the Vantage optical???
I did, and it was significantly accurate. The AW4 can acquire my heart rate after a lifting set within 5 seconds. The Polar Vantage was never able to do it, even after I waited for more than a minute.
Shit, and I so didn’t want to buy the aw4! Thanks!
I’ve had the vantage v for 2 months and I love it! Is designed for running mainly and for professional athletes that demand more than just metrics but also an insight on overtraining recovery etc ... if you want for hiking it will not compare to a Garmin. If you are an athlete interested in training your heart mainly is great and it will keep you motivated. I recommend it highly. My wife has a Garmin that is $200 more expensive and is harder to get around and in my opinion not thought out for professional athletes but yet it’s gps is very accurate and the watch looks great. The vantage just got updated about a week ago and still has to go through a series of updates before the software is completed.
Ive had my M for two weeks now. Works just fine. Few small screen changes I would like to make, other than that, very happy with it.
Quite a quick review ... Nothing about Cardio load, orthostatic test and recovery pro. Nothing about running power. I heard him say something was “subpar”. Well, such a small review for such a complex device is exactly the same. Please note that reviewer is not even stating on what firmware version the review is based. OHR works well in certain situations. For other situations, use H10. Being critical is a good quality. But nothing is always all bad. Because obviously, in this review, nothing good was said.
Sadly, I still favor notoriety when it comes to reviewers. I do not recommend this reviewer as a valuable advice provider.
Polar Vantages can meet the needs of people who know how to use it and what to do with the data.
fdaguindeau do you actually own one? I do and even with 2.0.7 it is still not a recommendation. It has to many flaws and bugs. The data is great, if you have a chance to get them. Oops lockup’s have been reduced, but still occur. Yo would buy a product, that does not have the best OHR ever ... and it is lacking a lot of functionality of others. The recovery pro feature looks great, but it is worthless if the watch does not track your trainings because of crashing. Maybe it is good enough for running professionals, that do not need a sports watch.
SerErris I own one since November 1st. No lockups, no oops issue whatsoever. Use it for running. OHR is for use when not running to monitor heart rate continuously. When running, H10. Features will come. Not worried. Fits my needs. Not here to recommend to anyone because I don’t know other needs.
He also compared it to all different watches so he wants a 935 instinct and apple watch all in one worst review ever
Love my Vantage V. The optical sensor works great. Reflects my actual heart rate really well. They are adding more features for each firmware update. Yes, they did this with the V800 also. Not all feature released at the get go. Works great for trail run, Triathlons, pool swim etc. The screen is also really good in daylight. Screen is harder to read at night since some of the fonts are thinner in size, but other than that is has one of the best screens ever (See what dc rainmaker says). The touch screen works okay. If you are unhappy with the touch screen performance, just use the buttons. Also, they have one of the best warranties on the market. Great customer support also. They are always willing to listen and improve their product.
There are many reviews out there on these two watches that are much more balanced, and some of them are quite positive. I found your review extremely lopsided and negatively biased. I go along with the comments posted below by fdaguindeau 1 week ago. I did not care to watch your video a second time, but I don't recall your emphasising that Polar plans several firmware updates in the coming months to add back features that are present in other of their models and for bug fixing. Another key point is that for reasonable HR accuracy the watch must be worn snugly on the wrist. I have owned a Vantage M for 1 month now and although not perfect, I am satisfied with it. Another positive point that your review did not mention, I think, is the very long battery life of these watches. And so on...
Yeah… watches that got ~ 1/4 th of the Polar Vantage V battery life are so much lighter/ non-bulkier … what a comparison.
What you need to remember is that this is a triathlon watch. That is what it is intended to be used to train for. Not hiking or strength training
That’s a good point
Nop. It has Strength and others sport profile. Bootcamp, golf, etc. Its just heart rate sensors that don't work well. Even my amazfit GTR watch pretty close to the chest strap H7 results.
I purchased watch before review obviously. Completely agree about a gym based HR and step counting. I disagree about the screen visability ive never had a problem. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the feedback! Sorry you had a negative experience too!
Polar Vantage V with H10 packed in.
Setup : easy, 10min ok
Display:
Visibility (special check point because of online feedback) excellent w/o back light !, excellent with backlight, which is triggered by the wrist „I want to look on my watch and turn my wrist movement“ OK
First day : 1 Pop up of the Notification view -> crash and with restart (ca. 2-3s): NOK , no data loss : ok
(dit not occur anymore)
bracelet : anti slide, with extra security pin: Top !
HR:
Side by side comparison : OK
H10 -> Polarbeat
Vantage V equal with a 2 s adaption time: is ok
There are actually indications to well position the watch on the („ right behind the wrist bone“), I managed t do it intuitively . And yes I have quite some pilosity on my fore-arms.
I took the vantage V over the M , because of Gorilla glass display and metal body. I would not stand paying 280€ for the M and have quickly scratches and stuff on it. That is a very subjective ponderation of robustness criteria.
One thing I count on is the route import into watch (upcoming in update roadmap),which the M does not support.
Other features whose the Vantage V has over the M I will not use immediately. How ever the Training power feature seems very interesting for taking specific now conditions into account: Temperature , altitude, etc.
H10 Belt +polar Beat,
if you do not train with intervals or do not mind wrestling with multiple Apps for training fu.
Same for the aw4.
Polar M:
Ambitious and comfort looking Multisport user, needing intervals ’n’ all in one place, do not mind plastic body, no need for altitude tracks, recovery fu etc. -> Most of us, including me (if i hadn’t had this plastic „allergy“)
Polar V
For those who want the best without further questioning or simply looking for the prestige (I can feel it wearing the watch) or those who have specific preferences only this watch adresses. (I do not want a smart watch, but a sports watch only.)
Metal body
Gorilla glass display
Touch screen is handy, not absolutely necessary, but works also wet (under the rain)
Recovery pro for preventing overtraining
Download routes to the watch
and all this in one place ( Ok you need the belt for recovery pro)
Btw, this recovery pro feature I did not think to use. But it turned out to an excellent waring from over training.
1 week, 4 trainings + sleep recording autonomy.
Wear it all day because its new.
I can recommend it so far.
This video is really true, i have a vantage v and its not accurate in strength training or anything that push your heart rate up too fast. Its just good for daily heart rate if u want to buy it you have to buy chest belt for sure. But its a good looking watch.
This review its the only honest review that i ever see for this watch.
Thx alot
It's just plain sad of how underrated your channel is man. You provide quality content. Been a sub for 2 years now and just want to say thanks brother!
Yeah i was hoping to get that polar, guess I'm going for the fenix
I think you are the only guy on youtube who makes reviews of watches showing the precision of heart rate accuracy on gym. I'm even improving my english just to try to understand you. Thanks a lot for your work. Greeting from Brazil.
Time for a redo!!? Many updates and optimizations have rolled out it would be a good time to review it again
Polar should have waited to release. They are fixing issues on the fly now but it's going to hurt for people who have to be between testers. I took my back as well. The Garmin 645 M is still my go to watch for everything.
Yes, you are smart to wait to see how things are addressed on their firmware updates
Form factor and the usability, FR645M is hard to beat. I love mine.
This is what we get when gym guys make a review about a running watch with some smart features. Unfortunately the most common problem actually is anyone can be a you tuber and make reviews. Please stop making reviews about things you don't understand. Vantage V or M is for runners and nothing more. Have some smart features but not the most important thing. And your review was almost everything about smart features. And gym workout. That's why i love DC rainmaker, his reviews are very complete, objective and the most important is he knows what he are talking about
tiago ferreira you are 100% right this review isn’t fair because that reviewing doesn’t understand the main purpose for this technology. I’ve had the watch for 2 months and its just great... better than any other watch out there if your goal is to train your heart. This is NOT a watch meant for hiking, gyms etc!
I am a runner and agreed with Techy Agent’s review completely. I ran with Vantage M for 13 miles, my heart rate was inaccurate, GPS took like 10mins to be registered and the Step counts were so much higher. Most disappointing is the display, hard to read and the color is very dull. I returned the watch immediately after the run for a full refund. Not worth it. Polar did a bad job here, only the watch design attracted me to try it out in the first place.
justRunCycle I’m sorry you’ve got a bad experience. I got nothing but great things to say about my Vantage V .. my wife is got a Garmin that is $800 and it doesn’t even come close to it... the M model can’t compare to the V in my opinion. The Training loaf pro and recovery load feature by itself is pretty unmatchable by any other watch in the market right now ... just my opinion
hehe, had little up and down at start..but as i have use every Fenix out there i am use to the "start" problems..:)
But now my V works like a champ, BUT..it´s not a smartWatch..if you after crappy things like apps and music on device..get another one.
But for Pure run/walk and outdoor, it´s very solid this days.
I did return the Vantage V, for same reasons you discribe in the review. Will add that the buttons on the watch is altso 2 hard to press, just that to start the timer is just to hard and take to long time. Looks like the software is basickly old maybe they used to long time make this. Totally agree with this review.
I've had my Vantage M for a month and I love it. The screen works ok once u get used 2 it. The worst feature is the slow reacting HR. Also in indoor swimming the distance is all over the place. Can not recommend the watch for those who do lots of interval training and pool swimming. For myself it's a great watch.
Awesome, glad to hear a different perspective, and appreciate you weighing in on your experience!
Martti, does it measure HR when indoor swimming too or only when swimming openwater?
Yes, it does measure indoor swimming heart rate. Also the mentioned pool distance accuracy has improved after the recent update.
Measures heart rate for indoor swim! It's so awesome. One thing though, that they are working on is that it counts only meters, then translates that into yards, which throws of the numbers. They will be fixing that.
@@henzik I realized it does not count laps (basically lengths based on pool size). It considers 100m as one lap. Any experience with that? (I just did not have a chance swimming with it yet)
Could you please review one of the Vantage watches again, now some really big updates have landed and brought some lackes features?
That´d be awesome!
Thanks for the honest review. I'm glad my M430 is still doing well. I was heavily looking to upgrade to the Vantage because I thought this watch would be great for running. I am gonna hold on to my M430 as long as I can. Maybe POLAR will address these discrepancies in future software updates...or else I will be forced to look at the Garmin Forerunner, Fitbit Ionic, or Suunto. I would hate to see Polar die with the Vantage series like Mio did with the Slice. Mio made a lot of mistakes: two reasons right off the top of my head were 1. No independent GPS. A real pet peeve of mine. I do not want to tether a phone to my watch while running. 2. Changing heart rate chipsets. Mio should have stuck with Phillips heart rate technology. I guess we will have to wait and see how Polar addresses this. To be continued...........
I'd love to see you do a new and more thorough review of the watch, now that the firmware has been upgraded a lot. Among them updates to the sleep tracking, which I believe is far ahead of the competition, plus thing like "back to start" navigation. While I think your criticism of the OHR and step counting is still valid, there is a huge part of the functionality you don't touch upon, namely the recovery system. I'd also like you to compare the OHR to other watches like Garmin, and ask Polar for an explanation of why you are getting such low performance.
I read many titles about Polar Vantage M and V. Differences? ... Amateur, recreator (M) and professional athlete (V)? Home budget ...
Differences are stylishly diminished or stylishly emphasized, this is an impression when reading M or V views. With my age (over 60), 3-4 workouts per week and main OWS (open water) sport, I should be happy with Vantage M!
Differences: Does it mean that M and V equally show heart rate (what's older: more important), swimming in the pool, GPS tracking in the sea, running a GPS track, except for altitude, which would have to show the clock with the barometer better .
... So can the answer be to the question (should it be the same) - to make it easier to decide for model M.
Do a new review on these polar watches after the updates
Another great, honest video. I have the polar m and am returning it. I do like polar flow but I can’t get past how bad the gps is and how far away this watch is from being “done”. No idea why they released these watches with so many things missing but “coming up later”. Why not just wait until it’s ready? No notifications? Just weird to me. I wanted to like it..
Sorry to hear you had a bad experience too. Just about everyone I’ve talked to has said the same.
Polar
Sherry Cammack same with me. To use polar flow just need a polar strap and a smart phone but there you can’t import any meaningful data. It’s ridiculous what polar is presenting.
MyMd1111 Maybe in like 2 years it will be ready lol
Don' know any other of his videos, but this was one of the worst "reviews" I ever saw
I’ve actually been waiting for your review before pulling the trigger. Wasn’t sure whether to go for an Apple Watch (steel) or this, you’ve helped me make my mind up. Thanks, Phil (UK)
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Phil Boardman these two watches are not comparable because they are two totally different thing you should make up your mind about what are you looking for. Smartwatch or sports watch. And then the decision will be easy I have the Vantage v and love it, right it is not finished but I trust Polar that will bring it to where it deserves to be. By the way happened to me the same with the suunto spartan wrist hr it wasn’t finished by the time I bought it but then improved a lot. It looks like it’s the way to go today.
Pablo Horenstein 100% agree, but in this case, it would seem the “smartwatch” is a better “sports watch” too. I think only the Fenix 5X Plus is way ahead in terms of it’s sporting ability...
Thanks again, Eric! Glad I passed on this one. I really like Polar as a company and their H10 chest strap is awesome, but where they are lacking is in their software development. They seem to have great idea people on the sports science side, but for whatever reason, they can't seem to get things done on the software side. Not sure if it's because they don't want to pay for top talent, or because Garmin, Apple, etc have already gobbled up all the experienced wearable device programmers, but it's too bad that they seem to be falling behind for whatever reason. I had been using their Polar Beat Android app to track GPS on my trail runs since I hadn't decided which GPS watch to buy yet, but at one point after an update, that stopped working and they haven't fixed it in months, so that was kind of when I started losing faith in them.
100% agree: I love their external heart rate sensor. Seems like they should focus some attention on their wearables though.
I am a runner and agreed with Techy Agent’s review completely. I ran with Vantage M for 13 miles, my heart rate was inaccurate, GPS took like 10mins to be registered and the Step counts were so much higher. Most disappointing is the display, hard to read and the color is very dull. I returned the watch immediately after the run for a full refund. Not worth it. Polar did a bad job here, only the watch design attracted me to try it out in the first place.
Great review!! I was going to buy the Vantage but now changed mind to the AW4. I want it to track runs, swims, paddling and weightlifting sessions, what would be your top three recommendations for this?
For running, swimming, and paddling, the Garmin Vivoactive or Garmin Instinct. But for weight lifting the Fitbit Versa. For all of them, the Apple Watch 4 is the best compromise.
Have you updated the Polar V. Several updates have come out.
Some of the touch screen glitches and HRM issues you had with the Vantage V are the same problems I’ve had with my Polar M600
The fact that Polar is still around is a miracle. I believe they shut down their forum because they just can't handle the amount of criticism posted.
Melvin Chong You undoubtedly still believe in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Clause, also. Just a friendly reminder that your membership in the Flat Earth Society is due for renewal .You should be pleased as punch to know that it's been confirmed that the Earth is still flat, so stay the hell away from the edge, so you don't fall off and you'll be fine. Oh, btw, Climate Change is REAL, Munchkin !!! Duh.
Great review Eric, well presented and nice detail. Love the graphics also
Thanks buddy!
Thanks for the info! I was about to buy this watch!
Techy Agent - Would you consider unpinning the "Sherry Cammack" comment? Polarized comments (no pun intended) are not very productive for anyone and this comment is the first one available...
Techy Agent - I do appreciate your honesty. Now, respect just went up a notch... Good Luck with your videos...
I've been waiting for this review from you. I'ts been a toss for me between the Polar M and the Garmin Instinct. I must say I'm really disappointed in the Polar! I hope it would be amazing as I a Polar M400 before and I really enjoyed the watch. Thank you for all the info and feedback on the watch. My next purchase will be the Garmin Instinct :-)
What info, what feedback? It seems like Garmin bought this review....
Michael Campher check out DC Rainmaker, DesFit or Wearables review of this one to get a more comphensive look into the Vantage V and M. I'm a Garmin user but I also have a Vantage V and this review really isn't good.
I've never accepted a cent from any wearable maker ever. I've trashed every brand, including Fitbit, Garmin, and Polar, making me one of the few wearable reviewers that now doesn't get free access to all of their products. On the other hand, I've also praised every brand too, I think they all have their respective strengths and weaknesses.
Those guys focus on cardio, I focus on strength training, so you should expect to have different reviews. For strength training, this watch is behind the times. The Fitbit Versa has a better sensor for strength training than this does, and that's disappointing.
Techy Agent true, Ray does focus on cardio specific info. DesFit does plenty of strength focused information, especially considering he primarily reviews devices focused on cardio specific use. You do provide a healthy amount of your perspective for both strength & cardio based use, which is why I watch your stuff. I feel this review wasn't your best as I've seen way more comprehensive/informed stuff from you however, thanks as always for providing information.
Fenix 5 or Vantage M(dont need V and i got H7 sensor)? Is Polar flow better than Garmin Connect? Its really hard to decide which watch looks better. I notcied that few Vantage watches got sratches on screen after few weeks of using. Maybe i should go for F5 after half year try Vantage? Nice rewiev gj!
i bought f5 and im super happy
If you have the budget go for Fenix 5. If not get Vantage M. I had Vantage M, there is some flaws but not a bad watch. Battery wise is good for per second gps on vantage m than Fenix 5.
If you have the current firmware that added timers etc on the 12/12/18 why didn’t you have the extra selection when you pushed the back button. I pre-ordered the vantage v and have not had a problem, polar were open and honest and said that they would start with the basic features and add the missing features incrementally (did you visit there website to see their roll out plan?) mapping and navigation is slated for a future update of the firmware. If I was going to run in the bush I wouldn’t rely on a wrist watch, so this feature is not high on my list of most valuable options.
I have owned Fitbit watches and cannot actively recommend them to anyone, my wife has a Garmin and it has lots of gimmicky options that don’t add value as a fitness benefit.
People buy brands like Fitbit, Garmin because they are the trendy, like people by under armour, Nike, hoka because someone said that they were good or just because everyone else has them and they want to be cool.
Fitbit have a gps error for north/south use here in Australia and they admit the fact but don’t want to fix it because “it’s a very small market” they also admit to huge errors with heart rate and follow that with we want to sell volume.
Garmin admit their heart rate is lacking but at least they said they are planning on some work to improve it.
Everyone knows that to get accurate heart rate a chest strap is the best option, flexing your wrist introduces errors and all the manufacturers admit to that. Even riding a push bike with your watch moving up and down on wrist is not recommended.
dcrainmaker is a very respected reviewer with a large wrap for the vantage m and v so not sure why you had so much trouble. He compared polar, Garmin, suunto, etc in a pre-release polar v watch running , riding, swimming etc and saw enough to be impressed and liked the firmware roll out plan. Polar wrote the code from scratch for this watch hence the firmware updates for features.
A poor review overall with limited testing etc, won’t be selecting the “subscribe” button based on this.
Perhaps, but even dc concluded his review with criticism of Polar:
facebook.com/1520674414849619/posts/2243247862592267/
Although it looks like (since he has a relationship with Polar) that he has since edited his comments after initial release, but I took a screenshot before Polar influenced his written review, as you can see from the above post.
I don’t have Polar editing my reviews, or anyone else for that matter. You may not like my review, agree with it, or my methodology...but at the end of the day I’m giving my honest opinion as someone who lifts weights (mostly) and has experienced significantly better results from competing brands.
Actually, it does appear his original comments are still up, you can find his final review here:
www.dcrainmaker.com/2018/12/polar-vantage-v-multisport-review.html
@@TechyAgent I have watched his reviews and his aren't edited by polar. The vantage series are multi- sport triathalon based units check the polar website.
You didn't review the polar flow website where all the data is laid out for easy analysis.
This review is 100% the opposite of your unboxing video where you sang its praises maybe you should have used it for one its primarly designed activities. I know several people who upgraded from the v800 and are blown away with the vantage.
Every manufacturer does updates to remove bugs, add features did you offer any suggestions to polar?
@@TechyAgent "Although it looks like (since he has a relationship with Polar) that he has since edited his comments after initial release, but I took a screenshot before Polar influenced his written review, as you can see from the above post."
I'm not sure why you believe it was edited , or influenced/previewed/anything by Polar. I haven't talked to them in over a week, and no companies have any preview or anything of my reviews. Full stop. The post was never edited since publishing, save a few grammatical typos and one clarification on the syncing issues I've seen. That's it. I don't have any sort of 'relationship' with Polar. I'm just like any other media outlet, they send me loaner units for review, and then I send them back. Sometimes they do a conference call or meeting where I can ask technical questions to ensure accurate reviews, but no part of that is editing or seeing anything.
I have had the Vantage V since release with no real issues with visibility or GPS (I always use a chest strap for HR as I believe wrist based oHR is never going to be as good). I use the Vantage to train for long distance & ultra running. I feel the flow ecosystem is very good for endurance athletes. I am looking forward to updates that will bring navigation & notifications, and it might be worthwhile indicating which firmware version you reviewed as the road-map indicates navigation and notifications are on the way. I would also expect the various kinks to be ironed out over time as was the case with the V800.
That’s a good point, and I wish they had released the watch with all of those features enabled. It feels a bit like this product is still in beta
@@TechyAgent Unfortunately, that is probably a fair point of view; although, Polar made no secret of the features available at release. Give it a few more months ... at the moment it is one for the Polar fans.
Peter Stevenson but that does not make the situation better, that bugs like OOPS during trainings, HR not as expected and advertised, Activity totally of be in the product. With 2.0.7 they only fixed the OOPS messages, but the other bugs are still there. On the good side I like the Trainingload Plus on my Vantage V a lot. As I also using the H10 breast monitor for my trainings, the hr accuracy is not that important. However it is still to expensive for what you get for your money.
I bought the M for ohr accuracy, its a total fail. I have a question for you. Why pay around 500 bucks for a prime ohr sensor if you are using the watch as a display?
My polar OH1 is very accurate compared to the vantage, and the watch paired to it shows the correct hr... But just, why pay that much for a display?
@@gargos669 the Polar ecosystem offers far more than oHR (which I believe will improve with software updates). For example, 40hr battery life (good for ultras), power without additional pods, training load pro and recovery pro, adaptive training programs. With the v800 I observed Polar release many improvements and enhancements over four years. From my perspective this equipment is much more than just a display.
No optical reader is as accurate as a cheststrap. Are you a Garmin FANBOY ? I own a Fenix 5 and a Vantage V . I prefer the Vantage. Your review bites.
As always excellent review. Completely agree about Optical HR, yesterday i got Vantage M, AW4 is more accurate. I think Vantage is as accurate as M430, not more for sure.Hope that Polar can fix HR, for now it is not good as I expected.
Too bad, I had hopes!
@@TechyAgent It reminded me when I bought Suunto spartan WHR with Valancell optical HR, it was announced as a best Hr but results were much lower then expected.
Nevena Cvetkovic I must say that oHR (from wrist) depends on so many factors that I think it is going to be reliable just in a few years from now, so keep using your chest strap for the time coming, just to give you an example my Vantage v oHR is only 2 or beats under my H10 hr sensor. For the next few years I will stick to to my chest strap because I like accuracy an even 2 beats lower for me is a “no go”.
@@pablohorenstein759 Well i have tested a lot this sensor. It is not a bad one, just didn't meet my expectations. Average HR per sessions is somewhere 2-5 ussualy lower than on H10. It is better for my than Garmin elevate, and Suunto spartan sensor, somewhere near Versa (maybe a litlle slower than Versa) A think Techyagent was frustrated cos in a gym workout it cannot pick up a HR, because of really slow response on drastic changes of intensity. However for me personally it is not so big problem, cos it really didn't have any jumps and extremelly inaccurate values. Somehow have a feel that apsense of jumps and inacuraties are related to slow response on imtervals. Also it is a bit havier and round shape that has some impact on contact to skin. All in all for me as a runner does a descent job and I will keep my watch:)
Finally after a long time an interesting review (as for the product).
Good job, welcome back!
By the way my Fenix5 is counting steps while I am driving! Terrible..
Keep up the good work!
Thanks Eric, excellent review. It's a disappointment to me. Guys, What is the most accurate wrist HR for strenght training along AW4?
Believe it or not, yes, the AW4 with the sport loop band.
I agree with you Eric. I have AW4 with sport loop band and it´s very accurate at the gym. The bad thing is the native app for review post training, dont´n provides very much information. Perhaps, Vivoactive 3 or 645M are more WHR accurate than Vantage M for now (Vantage 2.0 firmware is out) and Garmin Connect is great for review workouts. Grettings from Spain and Merry christmas for you and Techy family.
I've been using Polar Vantage M for 6 months now. It is terrible in the pool. Completely unreliable measuring swimming distance. The watch doesn’t accurately record the distance. It’s off with quite a lot. Sometimes skips 25m, other times counts the distance completely wrong. Usually, the distance measured by the watch is significantly less than the real distance swam. The distance can be off by about 50% or more. The last time I used it in the pool it measured 650m when I actually swam 2000m. I contacted Polar. Basically, their response was: change your swimming technique, do not do flip turns ?!!! I'm not Michael Phelps but my freestyle technique is pretty good. Very disappointed with the watch and the way Polar is handling this problem.
I have the M and mountain bike the same route every other day and the GPS can move around even though same route. The heart rate is very good, haven't use chest as wanted to get away from that. The web site is good and watch face very tuneable. The only complaint is every time I move my arm at night the night light comes on and is very bright. The night heart rate over 24hrs is very interesting. I spoke to another rider with the V and he's says the same as you which I haven't found. The watch does take a while to learn your routine but I think it is very good so far.
I know that my polar vantage M is not the best.... but is there any other watch that have so long battery life?
i really want to buy a better one (in the same price range) for my partner, but the 30hour of this vantage M is just so much!
can you please answer if to have something to suggest?
thanks a lot!
Thanks a bunch man i was about to buy this one mainly for weight training but after this review I will skip this this one
Hello Eric, fan here from northern EU, got myself a Vantage M a week ago and i liked it till i found it HR and "activity tracking". HR is pretty terrible, while running on treadmill lt went stupid up and how from 160 to 120 like every few minutes while i was maintaining the same speed and angle, so yeah, this is no go. "Activity tracker" was more interesting, i dropped it no cars glow box it counted like 200-300 steps few % of activity. So i will try to return it. I have seen all Your review but can't decide, which on overall is best for strength and running, advice please? :)
For strength and running, you’ll need something with a heart rate sensor that can do well in the gym for the strength training. In my opinion there are only two watches that I’ve tested that gave decent results with the built-in sensor during strength training and it was the Apple Watch series for and the Fitbit Versa.
Those probably aren’t the watch is that most people would think of as being the most accurate for heart rate tracking, but interestingly enough, they are.
Did I get it right from your last few videos and you wear the Apple Watch 4 a your daily driver and your point of comparison?
Besides: great review as always. Polar seems to really have drop the ball on this.
Believe it or not, yes: in my testing, the AW4 has the best/most accurate heart rate sensor, so that’s what I wear.
Techy Agent Why should I doubt you? Keep giving us the good stuff.
Was Looking to upgrade from polar m600, but keep hearing about issues with these and the ignite so have been considering other watches (ie Suunto, Garmin, apple, etc...), But haven't seen many reviews go beyond the actual watch in any detail. The thing I like about the polar eco is the polar flow data analysis in the app and on the website. I can't tell from a lot of the watch reviews if the Garmin/Suunto/apples have anything comparable. I find the information useful for guiding my workout/rest cycles and correlating my sleep trend to what I may have done during the day. Anything similar?
Techy!!! Are you doing a review of polar ignite??? Please! Your opinion Always makes a difference
Hello do you think is better to buy fenix 6 or grit X with a strap? Mostly for CrossFit hiit and interval training
Thank you Eric! I was about to buy the vantage M and my brother too! Now we have to look around for another sport watch (don’t want Apple Watch) around that price and with same features. If you can suggest one I will appreciate!!
I’d recommend the Garmin Vivoactive 3, if you are looking for something with mapping features, the Fenix 5 bundle from REI is on sale:
www.rei.com/product/121186/garmin-fenix-5-performer-bundle?sku=1211860001&store=149&cm_mmc=PLA_Google_LIA%7C404_194764%7C1211860001%7Cnone%7C1ce1adbf-2034-49d4-840a-7ff965e0d838%7Caud-553371945779:pla-349470546638&lsft=cm_mmc:PLA_Google_LIA%7C404_194764%7C1211860001%7Cnone%7C1ce1adbf-2034-49d4-840a-7ff965e0d838&kclid=1ce1adbf-2034-49d4-840a-7ff965e0d838&gclid=Cj0KCQiA6dLgBRDoARIsAJgoM4uBy23g9Yviz2WYEuzlcEGXqkH7plRSW5qmKJ6qtHxEdAujzACNbpIaAiySEALw_wcB
This is a hard verdict but unfortunately true! Even if zu forgot some of the main features like Cardio Load and Recovery.
I|m a huge Polar fan and waited quite a long time to replace my V800. Finallz I m quite disappointed because the accuracy isn’t comparable to the very strong V800 at all. 😔
The Software version for 12.12.2018 v2.0.7 improved few things like the speed of the user interface and the light intensity during the training.
However, the Vantage needs a lot of software updates to get out more accuracy out of the RAW data. I hope the software developers are capabal enough for this issues.
Unfortunately it seems like polar is lacking the needed coding quality....
Yes, I’m hopeful that they will release a firmware update, however for my review purposes, I had to review the watch as it currently is.
now the have release a update do you want to review it again?
Thanks for your review...It looks I have to find another Christmas present for myself....
What would you suggest? I am thinking about Suunto spartan sport wrist HR or Garmin Fenix 5s. They are on Christmas sale now, nearly the same price...
Judit Szomor I don’t recommend you the Suunto. I had it for a year plus and I was not happy with it at all. It is not reliable. I changed it for the Vantage V and love it. Must say it is not there yet but I think it will be.
@@pablohorenstein759 Thanks for sharing your experience!
Suunto is good, but they are still playing catch-up to Garmin in many regards. My personal go to would be the Fenix 5s.
Comparing the Vantage V to Apple watch for Cycling, witch would you recomend? Thank you for your support...
Love it Eric! For running, is it able to log the mileage for shoes used? Similar to Gear on Garmin.
That’s not a feature I’ve seen, I’ll have to look it up though
Not included. Would be a nice feature, though
indeed it would be good. For me as a runner, it is an essential and simple feature.
Honest video
I am still happy with the stratos with polar H7 for interval biking
Thanks, been wanting to upgrade from my Polar RCX5. Now not so much.
Guess I'll hold on to my M400 a little longer.... :/
Hi Eric, so compared to the Suunto Spartan Sport HR (which you reviewed also and both are in the same price range), which one do you recommend?
Do the polar chest straps connect to garmin watches? I was gonna get a polar but this review makes me want a garmin lol
Once again Eric thank you for great review. I was intending to buy Polar Vantage M in January 2019. All I want is a good running watch. Will you recommend Garmin Vivo active 3 or Garmin Forerunner 735 xt?
For running, the Forerunner 735xt is hard to beat, and I think I like it a little better than the Vivo. However, if you don’t need as many metrics, the vivo is more comfortable and lighter.
Kind of an odd question, but do you ever manually take your pulse to verify the heart rate? Second, I love the background track!
When I’m using the chest strap, generally no, I don’t do manual readings. That may not be good, but I have an inherent trust in a chest strap over my manual reading.
Is it really that bad? I was going to skip Polar A370 and get the Vantage. Now I will get either A370 or something else..
Can you also comment on two of your recommendation?
All Purpose Gym Shoes - Saucony Jazz Low Pro and Reebok Nano 2. Can I run in the Saucony on the treadmill? Do they fit true to size and do they have wide toe box? What do you use Nano 2 for?
Interested in the Garmin Fenix 5X and Instinct. Do both have HR 24/7. How would you compare both to the Polar A370?
Me, I changed v800/ A370 to VV/ A370 and am VERY happy, even though VV DOES have problems (that btw this "review" does not even mention)
The Polar A370 is actually significantly more accurate, in my opinion. It’s shocking to see them release something that’s actually worse than something they released years ago. I still recommend the Polar A370.
I wouldn’t recommend running in the Saucony or Nanos, because both of them are a low tread sole. I prefer low tread for strength training, but I prefer a thicker sole for running. You CAN get the Saucony shoes in a thicker sole that are more suited for running.
Between Garmin and Polar A370: the Polar has a better heart rate sensor, but the Garmin devices are better in every other way. The Garmin Instinct does take 24/7 readings, but I can’t remember if the readings are done at one minute intervals, or if it actually does take a constant reading. The Fénix 5 does take a constant reading.
The A370 is a fitness tracker, the Vantage a sports watch. They both have OHR and I could not tell any diferrence in OHR accuracy. Just for the records and since so many faults in here, the A370 does not have GPS but could connect to a phone's GPS. Hence, GPS accuracy depends only on the phone connected.
@@TechyAgent Thanks for the reply. So you are saying that the A370 is only better in the HR sensor? I think I will get one of the Garmin then. The problem is that I already have the H10 chest strap so I would prefer to stick with Polar A370. Can both Garmin collect to external strap like the H10?
I am so used to the Polar H10 and the Polar beat app that I would love to stick with Polar and get the A370. If the Garmin Instinct can pair with the H10, can I still use the Polar beat to display data from the H10 even though it is paired with the Instinct? Or am I forced to use the Garmin app?
BTW, I don't really care about GPS as I don't run outdoor or use GPS for that matter.
Hi. On garmin va3 does it show how much fat burn zone you did? Calorie count is way low compared to my Fitbit.
Great and honest video thanks
Have you used the garmin vivoactive 4s or the venu?
Yes, I have, and I think I’ve reviewed both of them here on RUclips, So feel free to do a search and hopefully you can find those videos, I’m typing from my phone otherwise I would just share the links with you, thanks for checking out the channel!
What leds you activated for HR-measurments?
What are your thoughts about the Vantage V features - Training Load Pro, Cardio Load Status, Recovery Pro and Running Power from the Wrist?
codewriter I have the vantage v for almost a month so I think it is too early to talk about that things because it should be evaluated on the long run. I bought it because of that specific features and because their running program. I’m doing their 21k training program right now and paying attention to the watch suggestions, by now is going great but again too soon to say.
Gracias Pablo, you and I agree that "evaluation of these features must occur over time" - using accumulated data is how they were designed. Yes, I am also a runner and I, like you, find these features most intriguing. I had thought Techy Agent would have been a bit more comprehensive in the review. Really, i'm not having some of the problems he mentioned. Maybe he can revisit the review and let all of know what he thinks...
codewriter I have had the Vantage V for almost two months now, and fortunately it has incorporated my previous runs with a polar M430 into it's training load calculations. Thus my two cents on those features:
Training Load Pro & Cardio Load status: This is great. It's relatively simple math based on proven concepts, well presented and very actionable. Traing to stay in the 'productive' zone helps me to keep up my running volume over the winter eventhough I don't follow a specific training plan right now. Only nitpick: If you stop training for a while because of an illness or injury, you will get 'overreaching' warnings for a week afterwards.
Recovery Pro: This one required a lot of extra effort (3 tests a week with chest strap) and then told me that I was good to go every day. I eventually disabled this since I couldn't get much use out of it or the tests. It might be valuable to you if you train on a higher level, but for a hobbyist runner like me it isn't.
Running Power: I get that it's better than pace for the training load calculation because it's height adjusted. So it's nice that it's there and working quietly in the background. I haven't yet tried to maintain a constant power level during a run, but I suspect it'll be hard. Power is based on GPS pace, and the instant GPS pace is really volatile so I suspect Power will be similar. Of course you can get (auto) lap averaged power etc. but I didn't see the need so far. That said I live in a very flat area, it's probably a lot more useful for people running around hills/mountains.
@@fabianneuschmidt160 : Thanks for your comments. Your experiences and thoughts are valuable to me and should be to others. Not all of us work or work out the same and it helps to know what others are doing or not doing. Glad to know that your M430 data was incorporated into the Vantage V data set. I also have "lots'a" M430 data. For me, Training Load Pro and Cardio Load Status provide useful info. I don't mind working with Recovery Pro to get additional info, although this is a on-going task... And, yes, I'm still working on Running Power... You mentioned hobbyist, that works... I'm just a maintenance guy, high level training and competitive running are part of my past as hip replacement and 77 years of age have changed things considerably. Honestly, the Polar Vantage V and all the other training devices I've had since 1964 have been useful but also motivational. Ok, time for both of us to log one more mile! Man, I've loved every minute of it!
I want to know , Have a compass and temp ?
I am still happy with the best price performance stratos H7 combination For interval biking
Yes, that’s a combination that is stellar, you should stick with it
@Techy Agent 4:20 Garmin Vantage Heart Rate Sensor? Hmm, it feels kinda weird though, Eric for Garmin to have a "Vantage Heart Rate Sensor", I'd presume its the Polar Vantage Heart rate sensor you reckoned? Some "talk-typo" eh? haha.... but in honest fact, for fitness tracker, Garmin can be comparable to the likes of Suunto. I do have to give it to Polar for them coming up with their first ever round faced watch (as opposed to their old traditional styled squared type), but for the features on this is totally bonkers... the $$$ investment should at least be considered getting a FitBit - in my humble 2 cents :)
Steven
~Cheers from Malaysia
Rumor has it that Polar was trying to rush this out before Christmas and that they knew it was incomplete, and that a lot of these issues may get fixed with a firmware update in the future.
@@TechyAgent I hope so... fingers crossed. I so badly want one of these watches :)
I went to Polar store here and had a look at vantage m. I found the over all built quite quality and the design was so good. And it was very light and comfortable as well. But the screen is extremely dim and the gesture backlight is insufficient. It needs dozens of software upgrades but i’m not sure that only software updates will solve all the problems. Then i ordered a garmin vivoactive 3 from amazon for 200 usd. I hope i made a good choice :)
I think you did.
Hey Eric. Can you turn down (preferably off) the music soundtrack in this video? It's actually a bit hard to hear you in parts.
Unfortunately I would have to re-upload the video and do some hard edits, sorry I did not do the mix right!
@@TechyAgent No problem. Next time then. We want to hear you, not so much the music!
Wow, you just saved me £440, I was about to make a purchase.
👍💲💲💲
My experience with the ohr on Polar Vantage M is very very poor. It's always lower than real, with random falls to 90bpm when I'm about 160+ bpm. It's NOT reliable at all, I'm sadly waiting for a miraculous update before my last day to return the device with a total refund =(
I have to agree with Techy Agent, ohr and other key factor on this watch are terrible. Even my Polar OH1 and Mio Fuse optical sensors outperform it greatly.
Pleace i want watch for fitness, which ones? Thanks, pleace no apple watch
Can someone tell me if all these smartwatches fitness trackers are healthy? I mean we suppose to weear these stuff 24/7 but what about the rays?
I may have missed it, did the watches have version 2 of the software?
Apparently Garmin fanboys are like Apple/Android fanboys.
Smart devices, are getting updates. If you want to review the early release of a gadget, then you must change your profession!
The Vantage V, is a REAL SPORTSWATCH THAT COSTS HALF PRICE OF AN OVERATED OVERMARKETED PRODUCT of Garmin.
The Polar Flow app, is 1000 times better than Garmin's and the HR technology of Polar is waaay better than garmin's.
Update your device and then make a new review. This video is embarrassing !!!!
( I always see and like your reviews but this was unacceptable!!!!)
I wish I had seen this review... tt. Got my vantage V a couple months ago and it is totally a disappointment to me. The GPS and software reliability are quite ruined.
hey bro dope channel..could u do the Polar ignite..looking for a band to wear for HIIT, crossfit and weight training
Yes, I’ll have the polar ignite video up in about 7 to 10 days, we are still wrapping up some final tests.
Will you ever review the polar ignite?
Great points I m actually disappointed, I love polar products and own older products which ars soo great like rc3gps, rs800 and they should build on there solid reputation
Yep, I hate to give a bad review, but it’s my honest evaluation.
Dude I like Ur reviews but few points should be included like All time display and then normal features as compare to features used by runners or daily runners .also many sensors don't give accurate reading means they get activated and give reading even when places against a surface like wood
Good points, thanks for the feedback
Anytime dude, also I have seen many reviews where other PPL have compared products such as fitbit and Garmin . I would like too see in Ur review whether has these big companies made any change in there application , is there a new feature added which we use daily or are they just selling the same old thing in a new package .
And I see Ur videos discussing points like wat is needed in a watch , like all time display n all , hence I follow Ur videos .
Ur reviews are really honest and practical .
Thanks
Thanks God u didn't buy them. I've got Garmin instead
which one? I'm wondering if to get Polar Vantage M or Garmin 735XT or Apple Watch 4.. I'm not a runner, mainly pro squash player..+ skiing and occasionaly running, gym etc
Hi, could you recommend me a watch for swimming, in a pool or open water, I'm very disappointed with the polar vantage, thank you!!
The Garmin Vivoactive 3 has Garmins best-in-class swim tracking.
@@TechyAgent ok thanks! Does it support open water too?
It does. It has an option to support indoor pools at whatever length, and then it also has an open water setting
@@TechyAgent thank you so much from Argentina!!
Juan delichotti buenas.. el Garmin Vivoactive no mide aguas abiertas. Lo puedes ver en las especificaciones. De Garmin, solamente el Instinct, los Fenix, 935 y 735 miden distancia en aguas abiertas.
Hi, I got a vivoactive 3 and couldn't find training status, training effect.
There is a way to get this data ?
The Vivoactive 3 offers their own variations of a similar score called Stress Score. It analyzes your heart rate variability while you are inactive to determine your overall stress. Training, physical activity, sleep, nutrition, and general life stress all impact your stress level. The stress level range is from 0 to 100, where 0 to 25 is a resting state, 26 to 50 is low stress, 51 to 75 is medium stress, and 76 to 100 is a high stress state.
It also gives a VO2 max estimate.
4:23 did you say Garmin Vantage? :-)
I did. Oops
@@TechyAgent i often make the same mistakes. At least i listened to your whole video and found it very informative as all your channel is. Keep up the great work :-)
None of the Garmin provide you with hr in water without chestbelt.
Yeah I agree with you, they seems garbage if compared with my garmin VA3 that has cheaper price, abundant feature, and also pretty accurate of metric counts. I like your honest review sir.
Thanks!
Not a fair review! Everybody knows that optical HR for hands moving exercises is not reliable - look on Garmin! Do the test Vantage vs Garmin during such kind of exercise. In this video, you can see that OHR in Vantage is 20 bpm behind but HR is decreasing -> needs more reaction time. Upcoming updates with navigation features and new DEC 2018 firmware update was not mentioned. Also touch screen control is not smooth after DEC firmware. Old activity tracking? What do you need more... Polar has everything what other competitors. Why did you mentioned features like Cardio load, orthostatic test and recovery pro which are features what other competitors doesnt have? ...and nothing about running power.
Its a shame that these kind of unprofessional review can harm good products! But money are money... thumb DOWN!!!!
Sorry to disappoint, but the Apple Watch Series 4 and Fitbit Versa both have optical sensors that can accurately detect a heart rate during strength training. I gave the polar more than 60 seconds durng my tests, and not once did it get it right. Even optical sensors from two years ago from Polar themselves weren’t that bad.
Techy Agent Ok I see. In overall my comment was not just about OHR which is the one of the weird sensor tbh.
I wanted to point out that you didnt show whole truth about Polar Vantages - their strength & unique features. Thats why many of readers will not understand their values. Its not just like another hiking watch as Garmin Instinct... imo.
Fair
Peter Black not sure what the strength of this watch is. And to be honest, the OHR sensor has been advertised as the best , which it clearly is not. Base Features are still bugged with 2.0.7. that clearly makes it a no recommendation. It may evolve later on, but for now it is not
My polar OH1 works very nice on the gym and running, it has a 2-15sec latency, but it gets your hr. My vantage M readings both running and doing gym workouts is total fiction. Averages 10-20 bpm lower, random falls from 160 to 90. I'm returning it.
Thank you!
Techy Agent, I was hoping you would respond to the question proposed earlier, maybe the weekend has been the issue... Could you let us know what your thoughts are about the Vantage V features mentioned in previous posts, Training Load Pro, Cardio Load Status, etc. Lastly, there are some comments which question the validity of some of your review. I am not trying to "pick a fight", just point out that there are those who disagree with some of your conclusions. Guess that's part of what you do. Anyway, I am interested in what you think about the Vantage V features mentioned. Thanks.
For sure, my review is always my opinion, nothing more and nothing less. So there will certainly be those who disagree. The only qualifier I would push back with is that I have had exposure to more wearable devices than just about anybody else, with a few exceptions of some other RUclipsrs, Who for the most part usually agree or come close to sharing my perspective. But I’m certainly no expert, I’m just the average Joe who has tried out a lot of fitness wearables. And I have gotten it wrong from time to time.
Regarding the Training Load and Cardio Load: since both cardio and strength training exercises impact both of those scores, and since the built in heart rate sensor is terrible at tracking strength training - anyone who does strength training like I do will have training load and cardio load scores that are completely thrown off. In my opinion, the only case where those scores would be valuable would be for someone who does strictly steady state cardio exercise, like jogging or cycling. I don’t know if that makes sense or not, I can go into more detail if that wasn’t helpful.
@@TechyAgent, thanks for the quick reply. One of the comments mentioned "an honest review" and truthfully that is the best any of us can do. You have been doing reviews for a while and we both know the old adage, "honesty is the best policy." I can sense that in what you have written. Keep doing what you do... I see it as a service to the rest of us. For me, your thoughts about cardio and strength training are very appropriate. Lastly, Polar's reputation indicates they will get the Vantage V and M to an advertised point and let's hope beyond. I see a lot of potential for what is being done but, I'm just like others, I don't want to spend my hard earned money foolishly. Thanks again.
👍 Yes, I would love to see Polar support this product and release some firmware updates.
Check out a "real" review here: the5krunner.com/2018/11/08/polar-vantage-review-polar-vantage-m-review/ "Both Vantage watches are certainly candidates for the ‘Best Triathlon Watch’ in some category based on their feature set. ... Both ARE properly able to execute support for a triathlon race and, with only minor reservations, support you entirely though your training. If you want a smart watch with other fancy features (not sport related) then there are many options elsewhere"
@@berlin-ulli4319, WOW! the link IS an in-depth review of the Polar Vantage V and M! Yes, the Polar Vantage series is primarily for those who are most serious about their training. Those less inclined may find the watch useful, though expensive. One should really do their own research and know as much as possible about what they are getting into. Polar was the first wrist based heart rate monitor for runners and has a long history of first class products. Please note that Garmin also makes quality products. Again, do the research and buy the product that matches your needs...
i have used garmin 920xt for 4 years and i m deeply regret to change to polar v. The swim tracking is garbage!
Does the stainless steel bezel gets scratched?
No. I've been wearing mine pretty much 24/7 for almost 2 months now, and it looks like new. It's also a kind of matte finish so I doubt that small scratches would be noticeable.
@@fabianneuschmidt160 Thank u
Thank you I'm sending the V back tomorrow, did not like it it's like the first time I learned MIDI...
Hey, I’ve just noticed the AW4 isn’t in your list of recommended products yet you seem to wear / use one a lot? Is it not as good as the others on the list?
Nice job noticing! I just haven’t gotten around to adding it, but I would definitely include it as a top three on my list
Excellent. Thanks for confirming, seems a pretty good all rounder this year. Thanks too for the great reviews.