phenom black editions were amazing. it was funny as a noobie i didnt know bulldozer was a new architecture so when i replaced it, i was suprised how badly it sucked lol. amd almost killed the company with that and the Radeon purchase.
Hi Bryan. Thanks for years of fun videos and I hope many years to come. Always loved your enthusiasm for bang for buck, deals, economy and having fun. Much love.
Frame Chasers made a great point about this CPU. He says out of all the AMD CPUs this is one he would actually change to over the 7800X3D or even 7950X3D because of how snappy it is. He said everything outside of actually playing in the game feels better on the 9950X. Which is important if you mess stuff like RPCS3 the process of loading the game can be brutal and very sluggish on most CPUs but way faster on the 9950X unpacking a Fitgirl Download way faster. Pretty interesting.
I have both the 7950x and the 9950x. With the 9950x I can set the Core offset a lot lower than I can with the 7950x and heat is not as much of an issue. Yes, I have that problem too with the cores on CCD #0 being overclockable and the cores on the 2nd CCD being sluggish.
Same here. I can set an average offset of -25 to -30 on my 9950x whereas the average on my 7950x was -10 on CCD0 and -20 on CCD1. BTW, I wouldn't say the cores on CCD1 are sluggish. They have ~5% lower _peak_ frequency, which will be barely noticeable. Of course, identical quality chiplets would have been ideal.
@@bgtubber One processors will not be the same as the other. I bought one for myself and a second one for my son's rig. Instead of buying two from the same retailer and risking getting two processors that has cuts from the same wafer, I bought one from one retailer and the second one from another retailer. Out of the box the 2nd CCD on my CPU runs close to 4.9GHz but his runs a bit over 4.7GHz.... but this could be because we're not running the same brand of boards. We are running similarly priced X670E boards though. He can hit a -28 CO before his CPU becomes unstable but mine does -26. His CPU seems to have a bit more throw with the 2nd CCD, and he can hit 5.3GHz with it, whereas mine does not want to go much past 5.1GHz. My 7950x on the other had freaks out with a CO of anything beyond -4. Yeah, its really that bad.
this is a thing even on my 5900x, one ccd can do 4.7ghz all core while the other can't go over 4.4, so i keep it 4.7 ccd0 and 4.4 ccd1, it sucks but what can you do :(
@@bgtubbertry run y cruncher while having bf 2042 open. I don t think that runs stable, my 9950x 2 turbo cores peaked at 10 offset while the rest runs 15-25
I own a good old 5950x and have no reason to upgrade. It’s more than I need even nowadays. Most probably I’ll upgrade in 3-5 years or more. These CPUs are so good. 😎
having 2 5700x pc!giving one to a friend of mine who will upgrade from the 3600xt that I gave him in 2020, will upgrade that pc again to a 5900x since he uses a new Z6 mkiii with awesome 4k video footage!
I got the 9950X day 1. I really needed the upgrade as someone who is working with 3D software. I'm pretty happy so far in terms of productivity performance, I came from the Intel i7-7800X so it's a very big upgrade for me and I can work on subdivided meshes in Blender without too much lag now. The recent optimizations for compositing now being on the GPU is a bit funny to me now because previously I benefited on the old PC with this change, but now with this CPU I get just as good performance running the compositor on the CPU, though I think I'd still rather run it on the GPU. Gaming is secondary for me, so not being CPU bottlenecked anymore on the few demanding games that I play is great for me.
I'm upgrading from a 10980XE soon, it's clocked low rn since it's on a Noctua D15...At 4.3Ghz all 18 cores, HT disabled for gaming, and can still stream beautifully. I think this generation is Ryzen is for people like us lol. Not many, but probably what's happening here.
@SyncF Ryzen is objectively superior in every capacity this gen BUT on October 10th; we should see the desktop ultra chips lol. Still might be better but there is another option at least.
TYC is my fav. review channel. Bryan also gives the best practical tips and tutorials to viewers for eg. Undervolting and saving money on Tech. It's really ridiculous that some Tech-chans said Ryzen 9000 is a FLOP, when in fact it's the best CPUs you can get. Ofc a 7800x3d is faster in GAMING but 9950x will finish my movie encodings 66% faster. (30min vs 90min).
I have a 386DX-40 on my desk right now, running MS-DOS 6.22 🙂 Enjoying some Prince of Persia, Prehistorik, Dyna Dynamite, Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, Volfied, Golden Axe, and many other awesome retro games 😁 PS: I also have not one, not two, not three, but four different Athlon XP PCs (and many, many more). Yep, I'm insane!
@@AronHallan Lol. Nostalgia! I remember playing Thief, Age of Mythology, Black and White, Postal2, re 2 classic, Empire Earth, and Diablo 2 right after school. I had the very same gpu. After sessions of NFS pursuit, I'd sometime cruise around as Vercetti in Vice City.
@@ruxandy I loved the og black and white prince of persia. Golden Axe too! No, you are not insane. I'd probably do the same, but I only game on the go these days.
Here in the states Amazon had a flash sale on September 9th for the Ryzen 7 7700x for $210 shipped with two free games, I was thinking of buying War Hammer at $59.99 on Steam. it was just cheaper to grab the 7700x, Newegg had the Fractal Design Pop Air Black / base model with glass side panel case for $49.97 and a SAMA SI240 Black 240mm AIO RGB for $39.99 and was AM5 ready. I only game and the AIO seems to handle the 7700x for what I do, the 7800x 3D is hard to find because everyone was waiting for 9000 reviews before deciding what to buy and it got hit hard in sales, the 7700x is Amazon 1# best seller overall.
Not many people take into fact that Bryan is so busy with banging out his own tests, In the way he has been testing for many years. I could swear this man does not watch other reviews until way after they have been uploaded if even then. The best unbiased reviewer, doing his best. This man has his hands full at all times.
Cool stuff. I have the 5950x which I use for 3d work and I'm tempted to sell the am4 platform and go with the 9950x. But I don't render that often and the 5950x is fast enough, so I'll probably wait until Zen 6 unless I can't hold the anxiety 😂
Good review, and one of the only ones that are objective rather than cynical. I am not an AMD fanboy, as I have owned both CPUs at various times over the years, but it seems most reviewers are overly harsh on this release. True, it's disappointing that it's not much of an uplift over the previous generation, and AMD certainly overhyped it. However, it has regained the performance crown from Intel (not a small feat, as history and experience would confirm), is WAY more stable and cooler than Intel's 13th & 14th Gen CPU's. So, for someone like me, who is a content creator (not a gamer), and only upgrades my system every 5yrs or so, it's a worthy upgrade for sure. I also expect some future BIOS updates and Windows 11 optimizations (for AMD CPU's) will create a bit wider performance gap from the previous generation.
I haven't really had an issue with snappiness on my 7950X ever since the mobo bios updates finetuned things and my EXPO profiles started working properly.
Include the test the newest Bios with Agesa 1-2-0-2 that is reduce Inter-CCD Latency? For Gaming and Heavy Workloads is the 9950X3D in near Future. Same as it was with Ryzen 7000.
Can you do a review for productivity and workstation use case comparisons? No one here is buying something this high end for gaming, but how it fares in music production, audio editing, video editing, coding, DJing and the like are not being talked about by anyone.
The issues that you were facing with GOW5 looks like windows optimization issues to me. When I got my 2600x, I had similar issues with USB devices disconnecting randomly. This was addressed in a later BIOS update. I think this is similar to that issue.
Im thinking of upgrading from 5600x to 7800x3d or 7950x / x3d , im working with unreal engine. Also have 3060ti oc. Could you advice me which cpu is best for game dev ?
GPU utilization/mhz isn’t the same in some comparisons, I noticed discrepancies of almost 10% during some of the benchmark you presented, which of course will affect FPS and shouldn’t be accounted solely to the CPU. Maybe fixing GPU clock frequency could help reduce uncertainty? Great work though.
I snagged a platform upgrade bundle with the 9700X, Gigabyte B650 mobo, and a 32GB kit of 6000MHz G.Skill RAM for the MSRP of the 7800X3D from Micro Center. Fair warning, you will have to utilize Q-flash if you purchase that bundle, as it will not POST initially.
@@corruptor5150 it's reaching the point where the cost of gas and lost time is almost worth my driving to a microcenter next time I do a full platform change. Maybe make a road trip day of it or something Ugh
I think only Epyc gets the 'All great CCDs'; the 9950x is only really good enough to hit the advised clocks, and the other one is good enough to hit the multi-core scores and ship it. Also, the newest Agesa fixes the 9950x's on launch outrageous cross-CCD latency, so the CCD affinity should no longer display different results.
Since you mentioned 6200 CL28 makes the 9700X much faster than the 7700X, I’m wondering if you can test memory scaling among the 7700X, 9700X (105W), 7950X and 9950X with the following configurations? 1. 2000 MHz FCLK + 6000 CL30 (most other reviewers use this which I believe is unfair given they use 7200 CL34 or even 7600 CL34 memory for Intel) 2. 2000 MHz FCLK + 6000 CL28 3. 2067 MHz FCLK + 6200 CL28 (Your current config) 4. 2133 MHz FCLK + 6400 CL30 Would be interesting to see if Zen 5 scales much more with memory than Zen 4. If so, that means Zen 5 is incredibly memory bottlenecked which would explain why a 15% IPC increase resulted in a 5% gaming performance improvement.
Thanks Bryan. While you're talking about this system, how about a few words about the ASROC Taichi Lite and that CPU? I ask because I'm an old Linux head, and that CPU on that motherboard is exactly what I'm planning on buying ~ along with a new 2nd generation Noctua NH-D15-G2. And a 2 DIMM 64 GB kit of DDR5 that has an EXPO of 6,ooo MT/sec. And a 2TB Gen 4 M.2 drive.(Yes, there are gen 5 drives. Yes, they are faster. But they’re better in a server / data centre role, they’re not any better ~ (as far as I can see) in a home user Linux-head kit. They do use way more power and need a heat-sink, which the gen 4 is a bit optional on that front.) In fact ~ right now, what power supply are you using with that? ~ I will have a copy of Windows in there, it will be running in a virtualbox, inside of Linux Mint. I want a GPU that's the lowest end RDNA-4. I am not a gamer, but the old rig I have now, (i7 6700 non-k) has a GPU in it that was old news when I bought the thing, which was about 9 years ago, and ~ let's just say I don't want to do the same thing again. This building a new rig with a GPU that's already a generation or three out of date at build time ~ I've done it once. I'm not real keen to do the same thing again. Yeah ~ I think that's everything. Power supply?? Thanks from Bogan Central, Southern Biz-vegas.
Currently waiting for the next Wednesday so I will take a train to another city so I can check PC with r5 3600, A520I wifi, 16gb ram, 256gb nvme ssd + 480gb SATA, 550w PSU from Thermaltake. All of this for 290$. I will sell PSU, add my used 3070 that was bought 4 month ago for 225$ and buy some good 750-850w ATX3.0 PSU. Also need microphone and monitor but idk when I will have money...
Would it be good for an audio pc/workstation, DAW and Plug-in hosting? Specifically the 3d element of the chip, for audio I think same and consistency on all cores is very important, is the slower ccd the one with 3d to reduce heat
Should i upgrade to the 9950x from my i9-12900k if i want more frames when playing and streaming Warzone at 1440p? Currently I get on average 150-160fps paired with my 6900xt.
I noticed that the RTX 4090 ran much cooler under a 9950X than it did on the 7950 in the games shown. On a few tests it was nearly 10C cooler. I wondering if there is an explanation on why that occurs.
I'm not too sure that having a mismatched frequency pair of chiplets matters that much. Under heavy load the top chiplet isn't going to maintain high frequency anyway. For gaming loads there's really no need for more than 8c/16t, so the second chiplet's peak frequency doesn't matter unless the scheduling is completely wrong. I'm wondering if a single Zen5c 16c/32t chiplet with 3D V-cache on top might solve these issues.
For non-gaming work loads it doesnt matter for the most part but since windows sucks at schedualing it can cause problems for games. The issue I mostly have is that I dont want to park a CCD while gaming (manually or otherwise) as since I payed for the CCD i'd like to use it for something else, maybe use it for streaming while the fast one does games.
Latest Aegesa Microcode decreases inter CCD latency by 100%. Were these tests done with this latest Bios ? If not it would be good to test with Latest one.
@@nikolaforzane2285 Its not my statement ... It was found by Tech outlets that inter ccd latency was around 200ms ... AMD acknowledged this and released new aegesa microcode that fixes this and drops it around to 100ms ... But the effect in games is still unknown since i have not seen anyone test it yet ... Sources? its all over the internet...
The difference in quality of the chiplets is AMD's equivalent of 'e-cores'. They've been doing it since the 3950X and I'm glad people have finally noticed.
With how revolutionary x3d was, I feel there is almost a psychological barrier for gamers that a non x3d variant is akin to a Celeron vs core iX of the past, even though the performance metrics do not show that. Gamers who want a new cpu are just going to hold out for the 9800x3d, making x variants a hard sell in the gamer sphere. It's like the x3d branding/mindshare has worked too damn well.
I thought I had read that AMD was going to auto-park a CCD on 9900X and 9950X through an update? Was this not the case? The difference you showed when running only 1 CCD, is substantial, but, it also show how chiplets do have a drawback, when you have to disable the very concept itself, to improve performance.
Just ordered the 9950X. De-lidding it and using custom water loop. Hoping to see what stable daily clocks i can get after tuning cpu/mem. Gaming for me is 4k so GPU bound.
You can use a nhd15 with no delidding. Don t reach thermal limits peaks out at 84c with curve I had a custom watercooling before but it only brings like 4-5% in synth.
@@Mxgtumgoten yeah from the videos I've seen it seems like these chips don't get nearly as hot. Already have a custom loop set up from previous builds only thing I'm doing different is swapping out the water block and delidding. In theory the lower the temperature the cores should keep higher consistent clock speeds. I know a lot of the reviews show chips hitting 5.7-5.75ghz I plan on pushing it to 5.9-5.95ghz with some tuning and luck🤞.
@@JMNovak1011 Should be possible. With the nhd15 g2 i reach 5.4 5.3 Allcore haevy task while 5.6-5.7 Light tasks only 1 ccd. I think there is room for a +200 with better cooling and the 200W Territory
B650E Taichi holding back max performance. ASROCK boards under X670 wont let TDC/EDC exceed 180A and 250A. So far I've hit 5.92ghz on CCD0 and 5.62ghz on CCD1. max temp- 80c with 30min CB23 run. and CPU power is 245w for power package. TDC hits 180A and stop power from going any higher. Power is limiting me in most benchmarks. CB23-2314/46380 and GB6- 3530/24115. I have seen some people hitting 48-50k in CB23 with power limits off.
at timeline 6.00 the gaming comparisons start between the 9950x and the 7950x however the spec of the cpu on the screen shows it as a 7800x3d not the 9950x... am i missing something?
At this point I don't care, I'm upgrading from a 10980XE which is way slower in IPC, lower cache too, and has the disadvantage of needing its mesh overclocked for performance. It's super stable but I'll put it on my custom watercooled rig and clock it higher, for my main rig the 9950x should be at least better than if I went with a 7950x3D for the most part, I think this gen is only for people upgrading from way older chips, if you have a 7800X3D you're wasting your money, however it doesn't make the chip bad, even with the latency between CCDs. Again, my CPU has mesh, and other things that cause even higher latency, it's fine, for real world usage INCLUDING gaming, you're fine, no sense in stressing about it, just get some nice solid stable RAM, and you'll be golden.
I want to upgrade my i7 8700k. Right now I'm looking at a 9700x. My gpu is a 3070 gonna hold out on upgrading that since it does a decent job at 3440x1440p
9000 series using power more effieciently is a big deal. You want to be able to cool these things. Even if had the same performance this is a game changer for me. I use my cpus or upgrade to a better one w bios upgrade. Cooler mean more stable. The other 8 core running at a lower speed is where you getting cooler running temps. Over all your getting higher performance yet a more balanced running cpu. I would take that bit of cut to be able to run my cpu for longer periods even years. I have had hot cpu's in the past and the trouble they create I am not back there.
What i got out of this, especially thr crap ccd_1, tells me AMD's zen 5 yeilds were either worse than they expected, or theyre throwing a lot of junk into their consumer processors hoping they would fly under the radar. Thanks for catching their shenanigans and hopefully later runs have better binned chips.
The 9950x is a modest upgrade from the 7950x overall its not a bad product being the best 16core available to consumers. The 9700X on the other hand is just a lousy expensive cpu that is just a very minor upgrade from the 7700/7700X. AMD knows pricing the 9700X near the 7800X3D is just shooting themselves in the foot yet they still continued such bad strategy, AMD is counting on the 7700/7700X running out of stock and the 9700X replacing them after few months with price cuts.
is 9950X worth buying? i'm currently have i5 3300 have been using it over 10 years planning to buy a new one preferably 9950x due to mixed review i'm so confused to buy this one or not or should i wait for price drop can you tell me at what price this cpu is worth buying?
@@Thedestroyer99955 Just get Zen 4, they are still being sold "new" and you should be able to get them cheaper and will get similar performance (unless all you care about is AXV-512 performance) i.e. IMO the 9950x is not worth it.
3:31 So your biggest issue with this processor it that you don't understand it nature whatsoever. 3D cache does not like hot temperature. That is sole reason why CCD with 3D cache is clocked lower. These are not inferior cores. Edit: So you => So your
Of cause they are not bad, just a bit disapointing in perf uplift, because most people is only interested in 3dv cache models. Question is, are the 3dv cache actually making all the non 3dv cache low-high mid models irrelevant, unless we are talking the 12 and 16 core models. Could AMD really do with eg 3 3dv cache models with 6/8 and a 16 core model for those that want a "do it all"CPU" that bridges top gaming 8 core and 16 core multi processing and then the 2 top processors as the only non 3dv versions?
I had to disable Global C-states for best stability. Because when the cpu goes to low power and sometimes suddenly boosts to 5700, the computer restarts. When i disable c-states, power consumption on idle is higher, max boost is 5.5 ghz but i can set -25 on curve optimizer, so multicore performance is overall better because now it can constantly boost ~5.4 ghz all core. I am wondering about how the new curve optimizer works. I think it's now possible to give a higher power limit at Idle, but does that matter at that point, other than getting full 5.7ghz single core? 7950x already pulls ~60 watts on desktop with c-states disabled.
So, I don't have a DDR5 rig, but I had one briefly. Boot times were awful because of the RAM learning. This was over a year ago. How are boot times? *** currently on a DDR4 (B-Die) Intel 13th gen, and 5950x system. Both Boot times are very good.
Boot times are no longer an issue. It was a couple of years ago. But with "memory context restore" turned on or on auto, my boot times are very fast on both Zen 5 and Zen 4. Only a few seconds. I would say as fast as any DDR4 system.
I'm thinking of upgrading from 5800x3d. I want to video edit and do work on the pc with many many tabs open. I also game and love to test out new software and the AI tools that appeared and will appear. I have money to get any of the 7950x3d or the 9950x. I don't really care which one. Any advice for me please?
9950x all the way but wait a little until the price drops if you can. Even at the current price I think 9950x is best option given the boost in multicore performance and lower temps.
I just think it shouldn't be slower than the last generation in any regard. If you're paying top dollar you should have the top dollar experience. I would have thought that would have at least included the 9700X being faster than the 7800X3D in gaming, in the same way the 7700X was faster than the 5800X3D last time around.
No idea if there is any merit to this thought, but I've been wondering if AMD intentionally bins the second CCD lower so it will be roughly the same speed as the VCached CCD on the upcoming 9950X3D (or whatever it ends-up being called). My suspicion is that if both CCDs were binned at the top, it would be too close in performance to justify the X3D in a lot of cases and/or it would be less obvious which was the "better" CPU depending on what workload was being used.
"i"dots just focus on gaming performance, it is the best multi thread performance cpu on consumer platform and it also bring not bad gaming performance by zen5 architecture. actually 9700x is very good gaming cpu just amd lower the zen4 cpu too soon and windows 11 problem. so zen4 still a better cost option.
I more excited about Strix Halo like I really want one of those in a mini pc with 128GB of ram running linux and pumping out 100+ TOPS in a UMA of all 128GB I just wonder what the memory bandwidth is
I think it's sensible that they have a best and worst ccd in the 9950X. If they put their best ccd's into the 9950X, that would leave poor performance for the 9700X which is a potentially much larger market.
Mmm I've got the older 5950X and wondering if we should just lock it at a set frequency then... I allow ryzen master to mess around but would be nice to have it locked on all core
Do you think AMD gives better silicon lottery samples to reviewers? My 7950X cannot deal with any negative offset on curve optimizer. It reliably blue screens even with a negative offset of 5. Maybe I just got a bad example from the silicon lottery. It also cannot deal with any DDR5 speed above 6000. My RAM is rated at 6400 CL32 and it is QVM for my mobo. But Windows blue screens at 6400 and 6200 but 6000 is stable.
AMD chiplet CPUs are similar to multi-socket systems. Not great for games due to games sharing so much data between threads. Great for workstation and server apps running fully separate workload on each thread, often a separate process per thread. A big unified last level cache on the IO die would help for gaming. Still not as good as monolithic design as the data has to move though two links: CCD->IOD->CCD.
AMD Phenom X4 9950 Black Edition was... Oh, I'm in the wrong year :D
phenom black editions were amazing. it was funny as a noobie i didnt know bulldozer was a new architecture so when i replaced it, i was suprised how badly it sucked lol. amd almost killed the company with that and the Radeon purchase.
I still had my 1100T until last year upgraded to 7700X
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1055t still going strong here 😅
I had a Phenom II X6 1090t until 2017 when I upgraded to first gen Ryzen. Thing was a beast.
as a simple gamer i will never need one but it's always fun to see how far the big guns can shoot
Hi Bryan. Thanks for years of fun videos and I hope many years to come. Always loved your enthusiasm for bang for buck, deals, economy and having fun. Much love.
Frame Chasers made a great point about this CPU. He says out of all the AMD CPUs this is one he would actually change to over the 7800X3D or even 7950X3D because of how snappy it is. He said everything outside of actually playing in the game feels better on the 9950X. Which is important if you mess stuff like RPCS3 the process of loading the game can be brutal and very sluggish on most CPUs but way faster on the 9950X unpacking a Fitgirl Download way faster. Pretty interesting.
I agree, the same reason I chose a 7600x over a 5800x3d. I imagine slicing 3d prints it’s a monster as well.
That guy is a insane control freak on his discord all he wants to do is ban people he has some power hunger issues lol
Even if Jufes would've been right, the guy is bonkers and whatever the revelations he is spewing should be taken with a BIG grain of salt.
@@MrDannysomebodyframelosers = 🤡
That is a pretty stupid reason to pay the insane price of 9950x when it is barely different from 7950x
I have both the 7950x and the 9950x. With the 9950x I can set the Core offset a lot lower than I can with the 7950x and heat is not as much of an issue. Yes, I have that problem too with the cores on CCD #0 being overclockable and the cores on the 2nd CCD being sluggish.
Same here. I can set an average offset of -25 to -30 on my 9950x whereas the average on my 7950x was -10 on CCD0 and -20 on CCD1. BTW, I wouldn't say the cores on CCD1 are sluggish. They have ~5% lower _peak_ frequency, which will be barely noticeable. Of course, identical quality chiplets would have been ideal.
my 7950x is a dud .. I can't do anything with curve optimizer ...it's ok in windows and even cinebench . but always failed about 10 mins in on occt
@@bgtubber One processors will not be the same as the other. I bought one for myself and a second one for my son's rig. Instead of buying two from the same retailer and risking getting two processors that has cuts from the same wafer, I bought one from one retailer and the second one from another retailer.
Out of the box the 2nd CCD on my CPU runs close to 4.9GHz but his runs a bit over 4.7GHz.... but this could be because we're not running the same brand of boards. We are running similarly priced X670E boards though. He can hit a -28 CO before his CPU becomes unstable but mine does -26. His CPU seems to have a bit more throw with the 2nd CCD, and he can hit 5.3GHz with it, whereas mine does not want to go much past 5.1GHz.
My 7950x on the other had freaks out with a CO of anything beyond -4. Yeah, its really that bad.
this is a thing even on my 5900x, one ccd can do 4.7ghz all core while the other can't go over 4.4, so i keep it 4.7 ccd0 and 4.4 ccd1, it sucks but what can you do :(
@@bgtubbertry run y cruncher while having bf 2042 open. I don t think that runs stable, my 9950x 2 turbo cores peaked at 10 offset while the rest runs 15-25
Thanks for the review! Another fantastic TYC video!
I own a good old 5950x and have no reason to upgrade. It’s more than I need even nowadays. Most probably I’ll upgrade in 3-5 years or more. These CPUs are so good. 😎
having 2 5700x pc!giving one to a friend of mine who will upgrade from the 3600xt that I gave him in 2020, will upgrade that pc again to a 5900x since he uses a new Z6 mkiii with awesome 4k video footage!
i have a 3900x thinking about upgrading to 5950x... hmmm
I got the 9950X day 1. I really needed the upgrade as someone who is working with 3D software. I'm pretty happy so far in terms of productivity performance, I came from the Intel i7-7800X so it's a very big upgrade for me and I can work on subdivided meshes in Blender without too much lag now. The recent optimizations for compositing now being on the GPU is a bit funny to me now because previously I benefited on the old PC with this change, but now with this CPU I get just as good performance running the compositor on the CPU, though I think I'd still rather run it on the GPU. Gaming is secondary for me, so not being CPU bottlenecked anymore on the few demanding games that I play is great for me.
X series wow, when did you buy it and for how much?
Ooooh you don't see Intel Xs often lmao
I'm upgrading from a 10980XE soon, it's clocked low rn since it's on a Noctua D15...At 4.3Ghz all 18 cores, HT disabled for gaming, and can still stream beautifully.
I think this generation is Ryzen is for people like us lol. Not many, but probably what's happening here.
@@cuteAvancer There are very few of us, I'm switching to Ryzen finally from my 10980XE, it's done decently, but this gen of Ryzen seems much better.
@SyncF Ryzen is objectively superior in every capacity this gen BUT on October 10th; we should see the desktop ultra chips lol. Still might be better but there is another option at least.
Hey Bryan when's the parts hunt coming out for September? I can't wait for it!
Actually in the process of doing it now, on day two!
TYC is my fav. review channel.
Bryan also gives the best practical tips and tutorials to viewers for eg. Undervolting and saving money on Tech.
It's really ridiculous that some Tech-chans said Ryzen 9000 is a FLOP, when in fact it's the best CPUs you can get.
Ofc a 7800x3d is faster in GAMING but 9950x will finish my movie encodings 66% faster. (30min vs 90min).
And me sitting here with my AMD Athlon XP and Win98SE...
Wow! That was my first AMD chip - The Athlon 2400 XP. You still have that?
I have a 386DX-40 on my desk right now, running MS-DOS 6.22 🙂 Enjoying some Prince of Persia, Prehistorik, Dyna Dynamite, Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, Volfied, Golden Axe, and many other awesome retro games 😁
PS: I also have not one, not two, not three, but four different Athlon XP PCs (and many, many more). Yep, I'm insane!
@@Lionel212001 oof! Athlon 2400xp and Geforce 4 mx440 running Vice City and NFS Underground well.
@@AronHallan Lol. Nostalgia! I remember playing Thief, Age of Mythology, Black and White, Postal2, re 2 classic, Empire Earth, and Diablo 2 right after school. I had the very same gpu. After sessions of NFS pursuit, I'd sometime cruise around as Vercetti in Vice City.
@@ruxandy I loved the og black and white prince of persia. Golden Axe too! No, you are not insane. I'd probably do the same, but I only game on the go these days.
Here in the states Amazon had a flash sale on September 9th for the Ryzen 7 7700x for $210 shipped with two free games, I was thinking of buying War Hammer at $59.99 on Steam. it was just cheaper to grab the 7700x, Newegg had the Fractal Design Pop Air Black / base model with glass side panel case for $49.97 and a SAMA SI240 Black 240mm AIO RGB for $39.99 and was AM5 ready.
I only game and the AIO seems to handle the 7700x for what I do, the 7800x 3D is hard to find because everyone was waiting for 9000 reviews before deciding what to buy and it got hit hard in sales, the 7700x is Amazon 1# best seller overall.
Not many people take into fact that Bryan is so busy with banging out his own tests, In the way he has been testing for many years. I could swear this man does not watch other reviews until way after they have been uploaded if even then. The best unbiased reviewer, doing his best. This man has his hands full at all times.
did you use the newest AGESA which lowers latency between zen5 CCDs?
I think NO.
thank you for the coverage
Cool stuff. I have the 5950x which I use for 3d work and I'm tempted to sell the am4 platform and go with the 9950x. But I don't render that often and the 5950x is fast enough, so I'll probably wait until Zen 6 unless I can't hold the anxiety 😂
Good review, and one of the only ones that are objective rather than cynical. I am not an AMD fanboy, as I have owned both CPUs at various times over the years, but it seems most reviewers are overly harsh on this release. True, it's disappointing that it's not much of an uplift over the previous generation, and AMD certainly overhyped it. However, it has regained the performance crown from Intel (not a small feat, as history and experience would confirm), is WAY more stable and cooler than Intel's 13th & 14th Gen CPU's. So, for someone like me, who is a content creator (not a gamer), and only upgrades my system every 5yrs or so, it's a worthy upgrade for sure. I also expect some future BIOS updates and Windows 11 optimizations (for AMD CPU's) will create a bit wider performance gap from the previous generation.
Are you
Are you using the Windows W24H2 or the branch prediction patch? Are u also using the new bios that fix latency????
I haven't really had an issue with snappiness on my 7950X ever since the mobo bios updates finetuned things and my EXPO profiles started working properly.
Include the test the newest Bios with Agesa 1-2-0-2 that is reduce Inter-CCD Latency?
For Gaming and Heavy Workloads is the 9950X3D in near Future. Same as it was with Ryzen 7000.
AMD should release a 9955X. With two binned CCDs (both boosts to 5.7GHz oob).
Could that be cooled? If all cores are at 5.7ghz?
Can you do a review for productivity and workstation use case comparisons? No one here is buying something this high end for gaming, but how it fares in music production, audio editing, video editing, coding, DJing and the like are not being talked about by anyone.
Thanks for the vid, Bryan! I'm still on Ryzen 5... I'm so behind! ToT
you know ryzen 5 is not a Generation but a product tier.
5000 series ?
@@toseltreps1101 yes, a very old tier. lol
@@ZERARCHIVE2023 yes.
@@MANNY100123 AMD RYZEN 5000 series is still competitive.
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It this test done with the new bios version(Agesa 1.2.0.2) that fixes ccd latency issue with 9000 series?
The issues that you were facing with GOW5 looks like windows optimization issues to me. When I got my 2600x, I had similar issues with USB devices disconnecting randomly. This was addressed in a later BIOS update. I think this is similar to that issue.
can you make a tuning guide? for the 5.2ghz
Im still on my 10850k. I wonder if you upgraded too finally, and what CPU did you choose?
Some Codex Vibes at the end 🔥
Is it worth 'cheaping out' and buying the ITX MB you recently tested, slapping 64GB of CL 30 6000MHz RAM and spend the saved money on a good cooler?
Im thinking of upgrading from 5600x to 7800x3d or 7950x / x3d , im working with unreal engine. Also have 3060ti oc. Could you advice me which cpu is best for game dev ?
GPU utilization/mhz isn’t the same in some comparisons, I noticed discrepancies of almost 10% during some of the benchmark you presented, which of course will affect FPS and shouldn’t be accounted solely to the CPU. Maybe fixing GPU clock frequency could help reduce uncertainty? Great work though.
Might be worth trying the new latency bios update if out on that board .
9950X is just the overall better CPU. Everything besides gaming is better on the 9950X
Most interesting, to me, was the 9700X effectively matching game performance with the 3D VCache chip.
It's a real fast CPU with the right DDR5 memory.
I snagged a platform upgrade bundle with the 9700X, Gigabyte B650 mobo, and a 32GB kit of 6000MHz G.Skill RAM for the MSRP of the 7800X3D from Micro Center. Fair warning, you will have to utilize Q-flash if you purchase that bundle, as it will not POST initially.
@@corruptor5150what gpu you got in there ?
@@corruptor5150 it's reaching the point where the cost of gas and lost time is almost worth my driving to a microcenter next time I do a full platform change.
Maybe make a road trip day of it or something
Ugh
9700x is an excellent gaming cpu, getting up to almost 5.8ghz and ironing out the kinks with memory tuning and lower power consumption!
I love the 9950x
Thanks Brian.
Which motherboard and cooler were used to test these benchmarks?
G'day Mate,I wanting to upgrade my i9 900kf for msfs2025 thinking 7800x3d should i wait ?
No buy now.
I think only Epyc gets the 'All great CCDs'; the 9950x is only really good enough to hit the advised clocks, and the other one is good enough to hit the multi-core scores and ship it.
Also, the newest Agesa fixes the 9950x's on launch outrageous cross-CCD latency, so the CCD affinity should no longer display different results.
Which CPU is the best for gaming that is the best to get at the moment or is there a new CPU from Ryzen coming out that maybe I should wait for?
Maybe wait for the 9000x3d chips. You can look at comparisons of the 7800x3d and the 7950x3d
Yeah, really want to see that video editing report. Don't do gaming at all or much "productivity". 4K vid editing is my life so bring it on! Cheers.
Since you mentioned 6200 CL28 makes the 9700X much faster than the 7700X, I’m wondering if you can test memory scaling among the 7700X, 9700X (105W), 7950X and 9950X with the following configurations?
1. 2000 MHz FCLK + 6000 CL30 (most other reviewers use this which I believe is unfair given they use 7200 CL34 or even 7600 CL34 memory for Intel)
2. 2000 MHz FCLK + 6000 CL28
3. 2067 MHz FCLK + 6200 CL28 (Your current config)
4. 2133 MHz FCLK + 6400 CL30
Would be interesting to see if Zen 5 scales much more with memory than Zen 4. If so, that means Zen 5 is incredibly memory bottlenecked which would explain why a 15% IPC increase resulted in a 5% gaming performance improvement.
I got a manually tuned 9950x 96gb c28 ram running 1.43V with 1.1 soc and there is much more potential. I m happy with the snappiness
I was watching your RAM video. Is it possible to hit 6400mhz CL28 with the Trident Z5 Royal Neo you did?
Thanks Bryan. While you're talking about this system, how about a few words about the ASROC Taichi Lite and that CPU? I ask because I'm an old Linux head, and that CPU on that motherboard is exactly what I'm planning on buying ~ along with a new 2nd generation Noctua NH-D15-G2. And a 2 DIMM 64 GB kit of DDR5 that has an EXPO of 6,ooo MT/sec.
And a 2TB Gen 4 M.2 drive.(Yes, there are gen 5 drives. Yes, they are faster. But they’re better in a server / data centre role, they’re not any better ~ (as far as I can see) in a home user Linux-head kit. They do use way more power and need a heat-sink, which the gen 4 is a bit optional on that front.)
In fact ~ right now, what power supply are you using with that?
~ I will have a copy of Windows in there, it will be running in a virtualbox, inside of Linux Mint.
I want a GPU that's the lowest end RDNA-4. I am not a gamer, but the old rig I have now, (i7 6700 non-k) has a GPU in it that was old news when I bought the thing, which was about 9 years ago, and ~ let's just say I don't want to do the same thing again. This building a new rig with a GPU that's already a generation or three out of date at build time ~ I've done it once. I'm not real keen to do the same thing again.
Yeah ~ I think that's everything.
Power supply??
Thanks from Bogan Central, Southern Biz-vegas.
Are these benchmarks done on new agesa?
I'm also curious about the new agesa update to lower intercore latency.
Currently waiting for the next Wednesday so I will take a train to another city so I can check PC with r5 3600, A520I wifi, 16gb ram, 256gb nvme ssd + 480gb SATA, 550w PSU from Thermaltake. All of this for 290$. I will sell PSU, add my used 3070 that was bought 4 month ago for 225$ and buy some good 750-850w ATX3.0 PSU. Also need microphone and monitor but idk when I will have money...
Couldnt AMD release an update to fix those 8 cores?
There's a new bios incoming to address the core to core latency on Zen5.
Interesting stuff.
Would it be good for an audio pc/workstation, DAW and Plug-in hosting? Specifically the 3d element of the chip, for audio I think same and consistency on all cores is very important, is the slower ccd the one with 3d to reduce heat
Should i upgrade to the 9950x from my i9-12900k if i want more frames when playing and streaming Warzone at 1440p? Currently I get on average 150-160fps paired with my 6900xt.
Yes that will be a huge upgrade.
Is this stock? For all the processors
Yes all stock settings with 6200mhz cl28 and a 420mm arctic.
Problem is the uplift is soft after 2 years!
For real. I miss Moore's law
7000 to 9000 uplift is decent, 7000X3D to 9000X3D will be too.
Is this done with the updated bioscode? According to AMD the high latencys between cores/chiplets has been significantly reduced with that fix!
I noticed that the RTX 4090 ran much cooler under a 9950X than it did on the 7950 in the games shown. On a few tests it was nearly 10C cooler. I wondering if there is an explanation on why that occurs.
if all we know he could be running the test at completely different times of day.
Despite promising potentials that Zen 5 could mature into, the price is just not right at the moment
my 9950x barely hits 80c at intense worklouds while gaming 4k lol
what is your benching stand? where did you buy it from?
oh the coolermaster thing? I got that agesssssss ago lol, i think they discontinued it. www.coolermaster.com/en-global/products/test-bench-v1/
I'm not too sure that having a mismatched frequency pair of chiplets matters that much. Under heavy load the top chiplet isn't going to maintain high frequency anyway. For gaming loads there's really no need for more than 8c/16t, so the second chiplet's peak frequency doesn't matter unless the scheduling is completely wrong. I'm wondering if a single Zen5c 16c/32t chiplet with 3D V-cache on top might solve these issues.
For non-gaming work loads it doesnt matter for the most part but since windows sucks at schedualing it can cause problems for games. The issue I mostly have is that I dont want to park a CCD while gaming (manually or otherwise) as since I payed for the CCD i'd like to use it for something else, maybe use it for streaming while the fast one does games.
Bro the 9950X is just the best CPU all around beast.
yeah it really is. Not to mention the Windows experience is soooooo snappy now. Feels just like an Intel chip, maybe even smoother.
What is the trim models of ryzen? Is it like intel. 3-5-7-9. Highest being best? Everyone talks about the 7 but not the 9
I’ve never had an AMD anything before
I can’t wait for the 9000 3d
Latest Aegesa Microcode decreases inter CCD latency by 100%. Were these tests done with this latest Bios ? If not it would be good to test with Latest one.
Boldest statement I read all week. True? Sources?
@@nikolaforzane2285 Its not my statement ... It was found by Tech outlets that inter ccd latency was around 200ms ... AMD acknowledged this and released new aegesa microcode that fixes this and drops it around to 100ms ... But the effect in games is still unknown since i have not seen anyone test it yet ... Sources? its all over the internet...
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any handbrake x265 benchmarks?
The difference in quality of the chiplets is AMD's equivalent of 'e-cores'. They've been doing it since the 3950X and I'm glad people have finally noticed.
the lower clocking ccd is intentional and partly there for efficiency. one die gets best performance the other gets efficiency for multicore
With how revolutionary x3d was, I feel there is almost a psychological barrier for gamers that a non x3d variant is akin to a Celeron vs core iX of the past, even though the performance metrics do not show that. Gamers who want a new cpu are just going to hold out for the 9800x3d, making x variants a hard sell in the gamer sphere. It's like the x3d branding/mindshare has worked too damn well.
Your geekbench scores needs more Love. I'm on R7 7700, have 1T 3059 nT 17055,.
I thought I had read that AMD was going to auto-park a CCD on 9900X and 9950X through an update? Was this not the case?
The difference you showed when running only 1 CCD, is substantial, but, it also show how chiplets do have a drawback, when you have to disable the very concept itself, to improve performance.
Confirm it autoparks now with bios new windows
@@Mxgtumgoten Thanks for the confirmation, bud. 🍻 Wasn't 100% sure on it.
Just ordered the 9950X. De-lidding it and using custom water loop. Hoping to see what stable daily clocks i can get after tuning cpu/mem. Gaming for me is 4k so GPU bound.
You can use a nhd15 with no delidding. Don t reach thermal limits peaks out at 84c with curve
I had a custom watercooling before but it only brings like 4-5% in synth.
@@Mxgtumgoten yeah from the videos I've seen it seems like these chips don't get nearly as hot. Already have a custom loop set up from previous builds only thing I'm doing different is swapping out the water block and delidding. In theory the lower the temperature the cores should keep higher consistent clock speeds. I know a lot of the reviews show chips hitting 5.7-5.75ghz I plan on pushing it to 5.9-5.95ghz with some tuning and luck🤞.
@@JMNovak1011 Should be possible. With the nhd15 g2 i reach 5.4 5.3 Allcore haevy task while 5.6-5.7 Light tasks only 1 ccd. I think there is room for a +200 with better cooling and the 200W Territory
B650E Taichi holding back max performance. ASROCK boards under X670 wont let TDC/EDC exceed 180A and 250A. So far I've hit 5.92ghz on CCD0 and 5.62ghz on CCD1. max temp- 80c with 30min CB23 run. and CPU power is 245w for power package. TDC hits 180A and stop power from going any higher. Power is limiting me in most benchmarks. CB23-2314/46380 and GB6- 3530/24115. I have seen some people hitting 48-50k in CB23 with power limits off.
ill upgrade from 7950x once the last gen 3d processor for platform comes out
at timeline 6.00 the gaming comparisons start between the 9950x and the 7950x however the spec of the cpu on the screen shows it as a 7800x3d not the 9950x... am i missing something?
At this point I don't care, I'm upgrading from a 10980XE which is way slower in IPC, lower cache too, and has the disadvantage of needing its mesh overclocked for performance. It's super stable but I'll put it on my custom watercooled rig and clock it higher, for my main rig the 9950x should be at least better than if I went with a 7950x3D for the most part, I think this gen is only for people upgrading from way older chips, if you have a 7800X3D you're wasting your money, however it doesn't make the chip bad, even with the latency between CCDs.
Again, my CPU has mesh, and other things that cause even higher latency, it's fine, for real world usage INCLUDING gaming, you're fine, no sense in stressing about it, just get some nice solid stable RAM, and you'll be golden.
I want to upgrade my i7 8700k. Right now I'm looking at a 9700x. My gpu is a 3070 gonna hold out on upgrading that since it does a decent job at 3440x1440p
if you use process lasso to only use the First CCD for gaming ( sending all traffic to core 0 to 15 ) , is that fix the problem ?
9000 series using power more effieciently is a big deal. You want to be able to cool these things. Even if had the same performance this is a game changer for me. I use my cpus or upgrade to a better one w bios upgrade. Cooler mean more stable. The other 8 core running at a lower speed is where you getting cooler running temps. Over all your getting higher performance yet a more balanced running cpu. I would take that bit of cut to be able to run my cpu for longer periods even years. I have had hot cpu's in the past and the trouble they create I am not back there.
What i got out of this, especially thr crap ccd_1, tells me AMD's zen 5 yeilds were either worse than they expected, or theyre throwing a lot of junk into their consumer processors hoping they would fly under the radar. Thanks for catching their shenanigans and hopefully later runs have better binned chips.
I just got this and a 4090, so Im good for a long while, all for production, I think playing Minecraft would be a breeze LOL
The 9950x is a modest upgrade from the 7950x overall its not a bad product being the best 16core available to consumers. The 9700X on the other hand is just a lousy expensive cpu that is just a very minor upgrade from the 7700/7700X. AMD knows pricing the 9700X near the 7800X3D is just shooting themselves in the foot yet they still continued such bad strategy, AMD is counting on the 7700/7700X running out of stock and the 9700X replacing them after few months with price cuts.
is 9950X worth buying? i'm currently have i5 3300 have been using it over 10 years planning to buy a new one preferably 9950x due to mixed review i'm so confused to buy this one or not or should i wait for price drop can you tell me at what price this cpu is worth buying?
Any new cpu is worth buying if all you've got is a 3300...
Just get used 10900k and be happy for next 8 years
no, buy new.
@@EzBreezy750 i saved enough money so going with new one
@@Thedestroyer99955 Just get Zen 4, they are still being sold "new" and you should be able to get them cheaper and will get similar performance (unless all you care about is AXV-512 performance) i.e. IMO the 9950x is not worth it.
3:31 So your biggest issue with this processor it that you don't understand it nature whatsoever. 3D cache does not like hot temperature. That is sole reason why CCD with 3D cache is clocked lower. These are not inferior cores.
Edit: So you => So your
what 3D cache dude? the 9950X doesn't have it, the 9950X3D WILL have it. what he's describing here is irrelevant to cache
Of cause they are not bad, just a bit disapointing in perf uplift, because most people is only interested in 3dv cache models. Question is, are the 3dv cache actually making all the non 3dv cache low-high mid models irrelevant, unless we are talking the 12 and 16 core models. Could AMD really do with eg 3 3dv cache models with 6/8 and a 16 core model for those that want a "do it all"CPU" that bridges top gaming 8 core and 16 core multi processing and then the 2 top processors as the only non 3dv versions?
I have i7 2gen i want to upgrade which should i choose 7950x or 9950x.
I had to disable Global C-states for best stability. Because when the cpu goes to low power and sometimes suddenly boosts to 5700, the computer restarts. When i disable c-states, power consumption on idle is higher, max boost is 5.5 ghz but i can set -25 on curve optimizer, so multicore performance is overall better because now it can constantly boost ~5.4 ghz all core.
I am wondering about how the new curve optimizer works. I think it's now possible to give a higher power limit at Idle, but does that matter at that point, other than getting full 5.7ghz single core? 7950x already pulls ~60 watts on desktop with c-states disabled.
So, I don't have a DDR5 rig, but I had one briefly. Boot times were awful because of the RAM learning. This was over a year ago. How are boot times? *** currently on a DDR4 (B-Die) Intel 13th gen, and 5950x system. Both Boot times are very good.
Around 35-40sec with Memory Context Restore and Power Down mode disabled.
Boot times are no longer an issue. It was a couple of years ago. But with "memory context restore" turned on or on auto, my boot times are very fast on both Zen 5 and Zen 4. Only a few seconds. I would say as fast as any DDR4 system.
If you think its bad you're uh...special. The 9xxx series is getting slagged for being a underwhelming improvement over 7xxx, not for being "bad".
Do the 7800x3d and 9950x similar when it comes to 4k gaming?
yes, because they will get the most out of you gpu, at those res you are strictly gpu bound
I'm thinking of upgrading from 5800x3d. I want to video edit and do work on the pc with many many tabs open. I also game and love to test out new software and the AI tools that appeared and will appear. I have money to get any of the 7950x3d or the 9950x. I don't really care which one. Any advice for me please?
9950x all the way but wait a little until the price drops if you can. Even at the current price I think 9950x is best option given the boost in multicore performance and lower temps.
@@Drumaier Pulled the trigger and went with the 9950X. Waiting on the order to arrive. Thank you for the comment dude.
I just think it shouldn't be slower than the last generation in any regard.
If you're paying top dollar you should have the top dollar experience.
I would have thought that would have at least included the 9700X being faster than the 7800X3D in gaming, in the same way the 7700X was faster than the 5800X3D last time around.
No idea if there is any merit to this thought, but I've been wondering if AMD intentionally bins the second CCD lower so it will be roughly the same speed as the VCached CCD on the upcoming 9950X3D (or whatever it ends-up being called). My suspicion is that if both CCDs were binned at the top, it would be too close in performance to justify the X3D in a lot of cases and/or it would be less obvious which was the "better" CPU depending on what workload was being used.
Do they still binned 1.35v best spot core ccd to match up the voltage of 3d cache tile ?
Not a chance… especially if you live near a Microcenter… the deals are nuts
Tech Yes City, where does the Rysen 9 7900x fall in this catagory?
"i"dots just focus on gaming performance, it is the best multi thread performance cpu on consumer platform and it also bring not bad gaming performance by zen5 architecture. actually 9700x is very good gaming cpu just amd lower the zen4 cpu too soon and windows 11 problem. so zen4 still a better cost option.
I more excited about Strix Halo like I really want one of those in a mini pc with 128GB of ram running linux and pumping out 100+ TOPS in a UMA of all 128GB I just wonder what the memory bandwidth is
I think it's sensible that they have a best and worst ccd in the 9950X. If they put their best ccd's into the 9950X, that would leave poor performance for the 9700X which is a potentially much larger market.
Mmm I've got the older 5950X and wondering if we should just lock it at a set frequency then... I allow ryzen master to mess around but would be nice to have it locked on all core
Do you think AMD gives better silicon lottery samples to reviewers? My 7950X cannot deal with any negative offset on curve optimizer. It reliably blue screens even with a negative offset of 5. Maybe I just got a bad example from the silicon lottery. It also cannot deal with any DDR5 speed above 6000. My RAM is rated at 6400 CL32 and it is QVM for my mobo. But Windows blue screens at 6400 and 6200 but 6000 is stable.
AMD chiplet CPUs are similar to multi-socket systems. Not great for games due to games sharing so much data between threads. Great for workstation and server apps running fully separate workload on each thread, often a separate process per thread.
A big unified last level cache on the IO die would help for gaming. Still not as good as monolithic design as the data has to move though two links: CCD->IOD->CCD.