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Gran Turismo 7 - Dirty Drivers & Broken Penalty System
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- Опубликовано: 17 июл 2023
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There seems to be an art developed in which one can abuse other racers with impunity. This style of driving is present in more races than not. I always have to be prepared for a bashing whenever I'm around other drivers.
The thing is that without sr or dr on these races they use it to test how far they can go and use it on daily B and C.
@@BrunoVentura524
I spend most my time in Daily B and it seems really random. I might spend all night with clean racing then get bumped to a different group where everything goes to hell. No matter if its Bs or C s or Ds, all of a sudden we are playing GTA. I will try to fight them off but sometimes I'll just let them go by so I can stay on the track. Nothing you can do about the divebombers, pitt maneuvers, and sideswipers tho. All you can do is try to stay out front.
I get nervous every corner I take.
They do need to put SR/DR back in Race A.
Just sr would fix a
Imagine how Pio felt lol. Seriously something needs sorting, only yesterday at Le Mans race i spent a whole lap catching up with the car infront only for him not to like the fact someone is faster and punt me clean off the track 👎 making me think "What's the point trying to race"
I love GT7 and its great community and applaud you Kie for at least trying to make PD aware through your channel 👏
Yes Gt7 penalty system is totally broken. Rubbing is part of racing, I totally understand that sometimes we will be "Touching, Bumping" because it happens. But these "Punters" and "Sides wipers" need to have something done to them. It is getting ridiculous in all of the races not just Daily A. Race A just seems to be the worst of them all.
Thats why I think it would be good to temporarely add a "any contact (with a certain amount of force) = 0.5s penalty"
They should turn off DR but leave SR on for Race A. Penalty system needs toughening up big time. Problem solved
Driving standards went to the shits as usual at A 😂
Some elements of the system work OK- not getting a penalty for track limits when you are forced to cut the corner but getting a penalty for being punted in to another car is ridiculous
Thank you for highlighting the fact that this type of driving is leaking into the other dailies. I basically got forced into a Dr reset due to dirty drivers andy own frustration from it. Went from an A to a D 😢. I don't even do dailies anymore till they fix this.
I still think there needs to be a "Cooldown" or Black Flag after so much contact. Ya know act a fool, pick up Black Flag levels of Pen/Contact: Can't immediately join room for 30min, and you do it again it locks out Sport Mode for the day. But Polyphony Digital, might actually be the the most incompetent crew when it comes to following a thought through. Especially in Rank-Up (levels) +/- that is just far too off.
After all that build up, 11:27 was so satisfying lol
The Brazilians have mastered punting other drivers into oblivion without incurring penalties
You'll get a ban for saying things like this. Even if it's true and anyone from that country is always a punter, shitty driver. Everytime, every race, no exceptions.
But try say something, ps+ will ban you faster than a queen in palestine.
I REALLY BELIEVE THAT ONLY BY HAVING A GOOD PENALTY SYSTEM (Hard mode) AND ALSO DAMAGE RATE ON HARD MODE P. D. WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE BEST FROM DAILY RACES!
Personal opinion that I keep saying by long time... 😟
Side bashing isn’t penalised either. I’ve been rammed so many times this way and it can ruin your race if it means you end up off the track. It can end up that you drive in anticipation of being rammed rather than just enjoying the race.
it was 15 blocks in the first race, 9 side swipes in the second and 13 NoFu@ksGiven in the third..........sooooo that's brings his grand total to "OkBuddyNextChanceIGetYou'ReOutOfHere"
I know very little of programming so if this idea is totally unfeasible, that's why, but could they create a penalty condition where if a car hits the back fender with their front fender and then pass within 3 seconds it's a 5 second penalty? Also, how is there not a penalty for hard collisions in braking zones?
😬My Driving😬 - Complete lack of Sport Lobby Racing Practice, but that's no excuse, that's why I'm practicing for a couple of days before I unleash 'i' on Sport Mode again 😉
The 'martidriver' drove suspiciously clean with me 3rd race🤔, but,
Excellent video, great way too highlight one of the underlying issues with Gran Turismo "SR" 👌👊👍
PIO IN BOOT 😂😂 absolute classic iDas
Here's the deal, what goes around comes around... But some if not many get hurt in the process.
The only way forward is promoting the positive. It's not the game enticing 1/2 the field to dive into the first corner, nor PD/PS or anyone but "us" the drivers to make it a better habitat.
It also works the other way, a little patience and giving the driver ahead some track space to get confident you're not going to clip him comes first.
Fortunately, I lived on the ASIAN hosts and the Japanese are some of the cleanest drivers out there, and even they have a few odd ones too. Aussie are horrible, I'm one, but among us there are some top class and courteous drivers, one's you get to know by letting past while they're making their comebacks. If he's behind on your tail, longer than a lap, consider he's being polite and let him by, you'll only go faster. Positive encouragement, clean driving usually ends up in happy racing, but there's always the one. And you're right you have to control yourself too, that's the toughest ask, but every now and then, you take one for the team and keep them pre-occupied and one the rare occasion you've really had enough, you give him a little of his own medicine, shut down and go outside and get some fresh air!
The other tip for clean racing, wake up before DAWN and race the older racers and allniters hell bent on getting a clean round or two to calm the nerves before they get some ZZz...
Pens are an issue in the game, track limits I find frustrating as some corners it’s all 4 tires over the line others it’s simply one wheel over the white line
Also how many times did you say Subaru in the vid 😂
SUBARU 🤣 it’s hard when every car is the same 🤣
@@thekie25 😂😂
Penalty system needs to be improved, for sure. You only get a penalty for bashing or punting other cars if you take them out of the track. If you just make them go off the racing line, but they stay on the track, there's no penalty. I agree that SR should always be ON. It's good to have a race A with no DR, so you can take it easy and not feel the pressure to perform at your top (many people are that competitive), but SR should be left on so people race caring about being clean, but not about winning races.
Excellent and very true observations. Excellent and fair commentary. Excellent video.
Thank you kindly!
I See this everywhere. Not in this magnitut, but todays Race B was Chaos. 4 laps is to short, but one car hit my rear and I went off. Last week's Race C was good on monday. On thursday I could went on again and got hit in nearly every Corner. They go in all spaces, push you aside. I never did so many ragequits. I drive more F123 these days and I once thought, that was the unfair one. It's sad actually.
😂 Pio in trunk
🤣 that made me laugh also 🤣
The first race that I was involved in was the worst race I've been in for a long while. That black subaru forced me off track twice and no penalty. There definitely needs to be SR because it was a complete mess.
The driving has become more dirty in the last couple of weeks, but what do you think of this as a system:
A select group of people(must be active and keep DR\SR at a certain level) gets access to an Overwatch system.
This works like this: players can report people if they do this deliberate and do dirty driving. When the incident comes to overwatch, you then watch through the incidents, and give your desicion if this was deliberate or a race incident. If this was deliberate you can then DQ the person from the race, and the victim(s) if they loose DR\SR due to this, it will then be restored to what the DR\SR was at the start of the race. If the person gets 3 strikes within a certain period OR the infringement is deliberate without any doubt, the person gets a suspension from Daily races\Other PD tournaments, and if its a continuous behavior, their DR\SR will be set to E\E and locked there until they have X amount of clean races or after a certain period of time, and then they have to get it up again. And if there is someone like KIMI, you can just instantly lock his DR\SR to E\E and let him stay at the bottom where he belongs.
I do believe a system like this would be benefitial for everyone, and CS:GO has the same system against cheaters, so its a prooven system that works. The access would have to be given to people that has had a stable HIGH DR\SR over a long amount of time, and the account is active(like atleast 3-5 times a week, with atleast a certain amount of hours).
Any thoughts?
I get really annoyed of people doing late lunges into my side using me as a brake and wall ride off my door been pushed out of so many good positions on last week's daily race B
I always just take the inside line when defending. It may be slower but if you get good at late braking and then trail braking you can stay a few degrees ahead of any punt attempts.
PD should use AI and create an equivalent of Sophy for giving out penalties.
I’m back playing GT after a long time away and am currently a C/S level driver…..I’ve done a lot of daily race B this week and the lack of penalties is a joke and the quality of driving is horrendous!!
Accidents happen, outbreak yourself etc etc, but blatant punting off is awful.
I've noticed you never see any penalties for side contact into the apex of corner. The diving or sending into the inside is very very popular even in A and A+ and PD is to blame. When the last GTWS champion (Lopez) wins the title with a massive dive and multiple contacts and gets away with it what kind of example are they giving.
During Olympic race in Singapore there was a moment like that and José Serrano had a lot of "dirty" moments, even GT World top drivers are humans and have their "dirty moments"
@@Fer-ct9hp Totally agree, but they still should be penalized for it.
This is, without reservation, killing the game and the amazing communities built around it. Leagues could be fun, but with how awful the penalty and SR system is in daily races, there's no chance for a clean and exciting race in these modes. I basically log in for 20 minutes a week to hit gold TT and log off, unless there's a circuit I REALLY want to race on. I've experienced this awful race-craft at every DR from D to A. It gets worse the higher up the ranks, because skilled drivers more often know what they can get away with to gain places.
Thank you Kie for the insight. Hopefully something will be worked out.
How annoying that the Idiot in the black car messages before the race "Let's have a clean race".
It's not just race A where these cheaters prevail as the penalty system is so bad that it has leaked into all races in sports mode imo. I am not saying it must be easy to fix either as there are so many racing incidents that need watching a few times to really see who is at fault, so my feeling is that we should be able to potentially vote/report the really bad racers somehow as it is completely ruining sports mode. The weaving/blocking on the straights I have never seen anyone ever penalised for and yet in the "sportsmanship video" it is clearly stated it is not permitted. Such a shame as when you do get the races that with a clean lobby, the races are amazing and worth waiting for.
Great video as always 👍 daily c now 6 laps 😢
I agree the penalty system doesn't appear to be right at the moment... last week I was side swiped and rear ended and the driver received no penalties 🤷♂️
This is also a HUGE problem in other dailies. Completely ruining the experience of racing. Any contact should be penalized IMO.
Yesterday another car got pushed sideways in front of me then slammed on the brakes causing me to hit him and I ended up with a 4 second penalty for something I couldn’t avoid
this is one of the races that doesn't count towards the sportsmanship classification... this is the result
They, PD, really needs to make the penalty system more harsh. Even though I know they won't, or if they make it more strict people like the black subaru will complain about it until they change it back for them to get away with dirty driving.
If contact penalties were more harsh, people would actually leave space and not ram-to-pass. Unfortunately, PD listens to the whiners mire than the racers.
I am not sure it is down to the SR rating being turned off, as even in race B&C it is getting ridiculous. Last two races I did on race B today I ended up getting punted or pushed off track with the culrpit getting no penalty.
:Last week was a nightmare as well. No penalties being given out for forcing people off track, but plenty given out for cutting the corner by a 1 or 2mm. The track limits penalties are often a joke, being way too harsh, but heavy contact is barely punished, and sometimes the party being hit is the one that gets the penalty for some reason.
The old Kimi punt.... Mostly learnt from watching the Kimi coverage on RUclips channels
Had a race tonight in Gr4, was 2nd in the last lap, got absolutely punted out of a corner into the barrier, I got a lovely 1.5 sec penalty, he got no penalty, I finished 13th..needless to say I ended the night there, really frustrating.
The thing is, I don't know if they can turn SR on without DR being on. Because a low SR could result in a DR reset. I think it's either none or both. So Race A is always going to be a free-for-all. I wonder if they could offer two versions of Race A, one with DR/SR on, one with them off. They might not have enough drivers for that though.
I've stopped doing daily races all the way back in Sport because of dirty drivers. I only really attempted the FIA cups since the sportsmanship was far more fair among the drivers.
Honestly, having to deal with this sort of behavior from S rated drivers is just way too frustrating. It's such a shame.
I wish we could report some people, was just doing the current Daily C and some people really have a serious problem. Don’t understand how they can have a S driver rating. One guy rammed me in all corners in the lap and went in front and slammed his breaks on me many times. Really takes all the enjoyment out of this game having to drive with these assholes
Maybe there's only a penalty if you don't brake and then hit the back of the car in front and no pen if on the brakes?
There always one dickhead that ruins it for everyone else 😂
…and this will happen everytime you allow humans to do anything.
It’s nice when etiquette and rules are followed. Much better racing -satisfying even if not such a good result.
I been saying harsh penalties needed especially for all contact that’s the only way guys just have to drive safe and acc throw themselves off track to avoid contact 💯
I think bringing back GT Sport's penalty system isn't a bad idea:
Sure it will be often dissapointing but if you're gonna get a 0.5s penalty for ANY contact that will then sepparate the dirty drivers from those who actually want clean racing because after all motorsport is an NON-contact sport
For me they need to bring it back, it will make the rest of us be 'ultra' careful.
Forza Gran Motorsport Turismo 🤌🤣
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Surely it isn't difficult to code something along the lines of, if car A gets hit by another car hard enough to cause damage, and that car then either goes off track or loses a position or more, then the offending car gets a penalty. That solves getting punted, door banging and puah to pass is a bit trickier though
Yes the penalty system has a major issue
He's just doing Verstappens signature move.... don't see what the big deal is XD
I hate it When Someone Come way faster from the Back and the driver in Front Blocks him so hart and dont let him pass, thats Not how Racing Works. There is so much Dirty shit going on sometimes it Makes no fun. GT Needs way better Penalty System Overall.
Remember the Nürburgring Daily C. That was horrible, Nobody let the faster driver pass, thats exactly how Nürburgring Works, LET THE FASTER ONE PASS!
100% they need to bring SR back. Quality of racing is atrocious at the moment! People treat race A like a demolition derby!
Penalty system is very inconsistent, sometimes too strict, sometimes doesn't even detect basic cases. I could say that it's OK for Daily A to be without DR/SR, but then the penalties should be stricter. For example, you made a mistake and punt someone, your DR/SR won't be affected, but you should get 10 sec penalty. That way people will learn to avoid contacts and still enjoy some non-ranked racing in Daily A. But the base of it all is a working penalty system, which is currently pure s*it.
after 10 months, it is still like this lol daily race B, still got people ram at your arse and no penalty. got dropped our from P4 to P10 becuz of shit drivers like this.
I try to run clean. I must say I sometimes forget to check when I rejoin.
This is pretty common driving is the slower lobbies for race B & race C. Your A+/S lobbies are the anomaly.
Got 6 rammers in one group a few days ago .. nobody got a penalty .. 🤦♂️
its NOT only in dr A ... dirty drivers are everywhere and penalty system is a joke
Race A with no DR/SR is a training race for some drivers to see what they can get away with in races B and C. DR/SR consequences need to come back to race A. This week's A is even worse than Fuji.
That was a very clean move Kie 👌 (I would have taken him out directly after the first ram)
Been on Holiday for the last few weeks. But watching other streams and videos, it looks like the game is now complete anarchy. It's also the summer holidays, so more kids will be online, with their brand of toxic racecraft.
Worst decision ever to take off the DR and SR for race A. Throughout gtsport days I did mainly race A. Since this came in I tend to avoid race a. Tend to do Race C these days. In a way its been good that I do race C as I've improved as a racer
Im new in gt7 and i have my steering wheel and vr2 trying to do it realistic, but people is crazy driving. From p4 to p16 when they hit me.
Definitely need S R back in daily A.
Constantly being pit manoeuvred I race A today.
I haven't bothered with A for ages, be bashed and frustrated is not fun.
I didn't mind the SAVAGE pen system put all the shitty driver on dr r3set and damn near impossible to get back to b or as
What PD should do is open up daily A to the SR ranking system only and bring in a post race report feature. Also, they should create a new SR rank, (rank F). Then, if a racer gets X amount of reports over 10 or so races, they instantly get demoted to SR F, (which they could make difficult to get out of) and get to slum it with like minded dirty trash bags. 🤷♂
What we need in GT7 ? Drive throug penalties and stop and go penalties.
I think they need to emphasize grouping people by SR and not so much DR. I'd be fine with some one who's A+ DR smoking me by seconds (currently rated C for DR myself) if it meant that the whole lobby was trying to be respectful to each other on the track.
They fixed daily c for this week
cap
just got platinum at BS it was cancer
Yes I’ve seen 👍
I know no one wants to hear this but the only way you get PD to listen is stop playing ... we did before when everyone even content creators stopped and showed there frustration about this.
I don’t mind the DR being off, because in a lobby with the right people that can almost turn it into a fun track day vibe with nothing to loose.
And when PD decides to to the really crazy combos such as GrB at Catalunya Rally Cross layout, it makes sense to turn everything off, but in general we NEED to have SR back on in Race A! It makes no sense to effectively promote ridiculously dirty driving in sport mode in my opinion 😉👍
for me personally, i kind of like the idea of a sort of "Free for all race" with no rating consequences. It has given me some of the funniest and best races, granted i do enjoy the cleaner races better like daily B and C but still find A enjoyable with no rating penalties
I get what you mean it does just creat a chaotic kinda race, however the issue is this is spilling into other races like B and C now etc
@thekie25 and yes that is very true, i do see that happen to much and im always getting screwed from it also so i agree with you there 😄
U dont need dr , u need sr active and u need 10 sec penalties for contact
They need to put DR back on Race A so I can get credit for all my wins LOL
Why don't they just have arcade mode of some sort.. that's kinda what the group A race is already.
This is not gonna be fixed because the only way for now to get it fixed will be if huge amount of people stop playing the sport mode and/or the game at all. If PD lose the people due to this trash penalty system, they will be "ok, it is time to fix that shet". Otherwise.. why should they do that? People are playing, streaming, making money.. others are happy cause they can drive&crash without any consequences.. and all is good. So yeah.. as everything in this world, it is in our hands to have something changed.
PD don't GAF, they've got their money
I feel like a lot of the dirtiness is people not used to the more technical requirements like early braking, slippery tires and transferring weight. Typically if you place within the top 100 or 200 fastest The group of two or three that will be in the front with you will be the best racing you will experience on the game while the rest of the field is in destruction Derby😅
Another factor in Daily A though is it always seems to be road cars with garbage handling. Braking points and turning are very different than group 3 and 4 cars. Yes, there’s certainly less courtesy also, but the cars themselves are also a factor.
GT Sport had a better penalty system compared to GT7
Trouble is it affects all races atm
This is the reason I no longer play gt7 it's just awful can't get out of lower lobbies
I think a lot of the time, people just don't know the cars/tracks.
I know I've gone to do a race and have totally failed to brake for things because I just had no idea what was coming up or the braking distances/handling of the cars.
Sometimes you can't help ploughing across the track at the first corner.... although usually it ghosts the player and they can just run off through everyone.
Maybe that's why it doesn't give penalties to the big swipes... its not malicious, it just honest mistakes.
They should at least turn SR on. You want to be a donkey? Go right ahead, but your SR will be tanked.
Yes A needs DR and SR
Super jazda , pozdrawiam serdecznie z polski 😊😊😊😊
Bro they have names why are you saying "Subaru" 50x in the first 30 seconds of the race lol
Maybe instead of researching AI drivers PD should spend their resoures on developing AI stewards.
This is because Gt7 is childish game 😁
Turn on full crash damage. Problem solved.
Did you asked the other drivers about their permission to be in this video?
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New to the game but since getting an 'S' [clean driving license] and sticking to the weekly races I have lots of clean races.
GT7 is amazing and much better than Project Cars was.
Penalty system allows for bump drafting . Could be what's confusing the algorithm. Maybe, 'fixing' the system means no more bump drafting? ...i can live with that.
Don’t recall but it’s carnage and if they do it there is nothing you candoitstotal bs.
Trash drivers are why GT sucks for online racing.