@@jae0sauvefirst time ever was with young brother Ismael, who’s got a philosophy of science degree. Alexi’s philosophical arguments were totally destroyed back then, where he tried to leave (run away) on several occasions during the debate.
I have seen brother Alexie in many debates but in this debate he is a totally changed person. I think has rationally done his research and I believe he will soon accept Islam by the will of Allah.
@@MoorfHiden-wq2ou Good heavens, the sheer audacity of asserting logic, reason and islam does not go together.! Why, that would be akin to declaring Bach a mediocre musician, Da Vinci a middling painter, or claiming the Atlantic but a humble stream.
@@MoorfHiden-wq2ou A universe just "popping" into existence is perhaps a logical and reasoned thought?? You'd do anything to deny any creator behind the universe.. 😒
There is no such thing as an Agnostic Muslim, a requirement to be a muslim is believing in the Shahada. That by itself leaves no room for being an Agnostic Muslim.
@@timcollett99Muslim means one who submits his will to the only true God An agnostic wouldnt be able to be agnostic muslim since he would have to submit, except if he is submitting without believing in the Specific "God of Islam" Which is nonsense Anyway an agnostic is someone who thinks God may exist but he doesn't choose one God precisely So in order to be an agnostic Muslim, one would have to reject all the other religions beliefs to only accept the possibility of the "islamic God" That would be the most idiotic position to be in 😂 Agnostic Muslim: "Oh ! I'm so smart ! If I had chosen the other religions to maybe accept the existence of God according to them I would have a chance to not be punished (idk like believing in Jesus dying for my sins and not being accountable for anything ) But No! Let's choose the One where if I don't truly believe or submit to, I would certainly be punished"
@GRIM-SS You're response is incoherent and doesn't remotely address my comment. An agnostic is someone who doesn't know whether or not there is a God. Agnostic comes from the ancient Greek 'gnosis' meaning knowledge. Belief and knowledge are not the same thing. Someone could deeply and sincerely believe the sky is yellow, but they could not be said to have knowledge that the sky is yellow because the sky is not actually yellow. In much the same way you could devoutly submit to to the will of a God you sincerely believe exists, but you could be mistaken. If God doesn't exist, then no matter how sincerely you believe, you have no knowledge of God's existence, and would therefore be an agnostic Muslim.
@@timcollett99 there isn't only one level of belief One can believe something blindly or believe it because there is enough evidence to deduce it's plausibility You're saying that if the thing you believe in is wrong or not true then you become agnostic ? I don't understand why you say that 😅 Why would it make you an agnostic ? You would still be a believer but not a believer of the truth Isn't agnostic someone who takes no position on whether it's true or not ? Or I have misunderstood this concept
@GRIM-SS As I said, the term agnostic derives from the ancient Greek for knowledge. It doesn't pertain to having taken a position or to belief. Therefore, if you were a sincere believer in a God that didn't actually exist, that would mean you could not be said to have 'knowledge' of God's existence. 'A' = without/ 'gnostis' = knowledge This is why I personally find the term agnostic to be a rather useless one! What someone claims to know or not know is irrelevant to me. I care about what can be demonstrated to be true.
Lol, he runs on the first occasion 😂... he felt that he make no logical sense... you can find him with always the same argument on others channels like ali dawah, efdawah, etc
The irony of (presumably) a muslim flagging up someone else not making logical sense. It's as though someone tells you muslims to say that you use logic even though you don't. As if just saying it is enough.
I saw Alexei before chatting with brother Hamza , for those who don’t know alexei ,,! Alexei became a philosopher after reading two books and an article 😅
Allah says in the Quran, it is not the eyes that r blind, but the heart is. What a beautiful discussion from both parties ito respect and conversation flow with their objections. Mashallah bro Zishaan persona, approach and politeness with such soft but to the point reason, STILL, the agnostic or whatever hybrid position Alexei stood, the PENNY STILL DID NOT FALL for Alexei. They were so deep in discussion, then the aunty interrupted and took the discussion back to 1st base. I was like AUNTY, WHY? Allah bless brother Zishaan with all good, and guide Alexei, Ameen. I really enjoyed this discussion.
Allah says in the Quran, it is not the eyes that r blind, but the heart is. " Well, that's completely wrong. The reason you do not believe in bigfoot isn't because you are blind or because you don't feel it in your heart. It's because there's no sufficient evidence. The reason we do not believe in your god isn't because we are blind or that we don't feel it in our heart........it's because there's no sufficient evidence.
Things he says, body language and behaviour suggests Mr Alexa knows Islam makes sense. Fact of the matter is he does not want to submit to the religion, he does not wanna give up his jahilea lifestyle. I believe he only comes to debate for Internet fame! 😮
34:30 He believes! Like he said himself he just will not submit same way his master didn’t when Allah commanded him to prostrate to Adam! I am confident he will no longer come to the park or he will come as someone else! So watch out brothers! ✌️❤️
And no, he is not using a fallacy........a reification fallacy. A reification fallacy is when you treat something that is abstract as if it is a concrete real event. I can explain further. When the atheist admits/believes that things happen by "chance", they are not trying to say "chance" is a real life event. Chance is a word we used to describe the predictability of real life events. Chance is not the event. When you flip a coin, there is a 50% chance it lands on heads and 50% chance it lands on tails. Chance is the predictability and/or possibility of whether the coin lands on heads or tails. Chance is not the event. The coin flip and the natural forces that are applied to the coin........gravity, friction, speed, spin, surface it lands on, etc. We cannot predict with 100% accuracy of the outcome of the coin flip, so it has a 50/50 chance of tails or heads. Chance didn't cause the flip. It's not the real world event. Therefore the atheist is not creating a reification fallacy. If you think the atheist means "chance" is the real life event or the cause of that real life event, then you are wrong.
Did you note the muslim also added in terms to reification , unpredictable and deterministic, these are no part of reification or the associated fallacy, he was making it up. You describe quite a lot of the waffle he makes pretty well. Yes he was wrong , the whole spiel is to bamboozle . It seemed really odd to argue god exists because of his assertions around the profound unlikelihood of us existing . Nothing about the probability of us existing says anything about the probability of a god existing, like your coin toss , saying god exists because heads came up and it was a 50/50 chance is fallacious. Came across this analogy, he's describing a huge jar full of coloured balls ( potential universes ), and saying god really really likes the colour purple , and when we pick the first ball , it's purple , there you go he says god exists . But then we pour out all the balls we find no other ball is purple , so this would really put a dent in the assumption god really really likes purple. He's saying all the other balls are not purple.
16:02 we do not have free will. We have free choice. Also this Alexi guy likes to argue for the sake of arguing. He doesn't really have a position except to flip flop.
SMille does not understand the fallacy of reification , its is indeed the taking of an abstract/concept/idea etc and confusing it with physical reality , a map is not the territory, the land it describes. Nothing about this relates to something being unpredictable or deterministic. He gets really weird on "chance" , again conflating nonsense , he's been the one defining his god into existence because of low chances as he sees them of fine tuning.
An argument from ignorance and incredulity. Interesting that SMille uses the existence of some god to try and explain the seemingly near-impossible chances of arriving at the universe as we know it, yet has no explanation for the supposed existence of his god. The chances of the universe existing, as we know it, without some god can't be any less than the chances of a god that creates a universe as we know it existing.
@@lewis72 Oh yes and the special pleading is always my favorite , ~"oh everything needs an explanation for it's existence, and its impossible that the universe could exist if it were not a god that created it, because anything else doing that would need an explanation." _"so what explains gods existence ?"_ " what? Oh no god does not need an explanation for itself, only anything else you offer as a possible candidate explanation for the universe existing needs an explanation of itself" If you take a step back , the fine tuning argument is that there are vast set of values whereby life could not exist, yet god had the opportunity to set up everything. I heard an analogy recently , imagine a vast jar full of coloured balls , and we know god really loves the colour purple . We reach in and the ball we extract is purple , there you go we say, god exists. But then we empty the jar and all the other balls are not purple, reasoning about this we ask , so where is the evidence god likes purple, where is the evidence that a purple loving god filled the jar?
@@tdsdave Your forgetting that god exists necessarily and then conveniently also forget to explain where the necessity comes from. A good comment I heard was "how can you look at something and determine if it's necessary or not ? The more you poke and prod at Islam, the more you realise that it's just a thin veneer of specious bullshit.
@@lewis72 Yeah the contingency argument leads back to a problem called necessitarianism, which is kind of like determinism on steroids. God becomes a kind of robot, its actions and behavior is all necessary , which leads to the universe being necessary , which leads to you and I being necessary . Nothing can be contingent. "A good comment..." Yeah the conversation starts out talking as if everything around us is contingent, that we are contingent , but how can you tell, the world would look the same if everything was necessary. "The more you poke and prod at Islam..." They are terrible at philosophy because for about a 1000 years its been discouraged , not seen as a reliable way to "truth". It's really frowned upon to use it to argue for the existence of Allah , which is why in these arguments they refuse to identify the necessary or the first cause as Allah, they will insist that its a creator or any other label, except Allah, they are arguing for. Obviously they cannot been seen to debate the existence of Allah, that would entail doubt , and doubt leads to hellfire. Much of their philosophy is just stolen and tweaked Christian arguments. The rest of the religion , it scripture, the scriptures content , and its historicity is riddled with falsehoods, inconsistency and plain nonsense. Morally it really is stuck in the gutter of the 7th century.
@@tdsdave I've watched quite a lot of discussions/debates with Dr (!) Zakir Naik, Shabir Ally, Yasir Qadhi, Mufti Menk and the Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee duo that are Hijab and his boyfriend Ali Dawah and I've not heard anything that's vaguely convincing. All have more holes that than a family pack of tea bags. "Morally it really is stuck in the gutter of the 7th century" - I'm still waiting for an explanation as to why anyone would use someone that owned slaves and had sex with a 9 year old as a perfect moral role model for all times. I've heard a few "oh you're using the fallacy of presentism", which doesn't address my initial question to them.
This guy is playing tricks. He clearly doesn’t care about debating or have adequate knowledge or logic reasoning! he is a poorly equipped soldier that has now been exposed!!!!
Bhai it’s the Muslims who are living in calamities all the times irrespective of praying 5 times a day.millions of Muslims are living in utter poverty in, in slums,due to illiteracy,overbreeding and praying…26 million Muslims are been fed by Jews, Christians and atheists in Europe, USA and Canada…look at these dawah guys who too fled from their poverty ridden Muslims countries and are living under the mercy of atheists in UK…peace bhai
He seems sincere. But hyperskepticism is a disease of the heart. And, its realated with sins. Je agrees with certain points and accepts it but he has already set his mind not to belief in the first place. Thats the key.
But hyperskepticism is a disease of the heart." It has nothing to do with your heart. It's about evidence. Your skepticism about bigfoot existing has nothing to do with your heart. Our skepticism about your god has nothing to do with the heart. Not 1 thing.
He’s sealed his own heart and talks like the arrogant ones mentioned in the Quran. That’s not to say there’s no hope for him however currently that’s the position
There's a huge difference between believing you will get shocked compared to believing in a god. Electricity has verifiable evidence. It can be demonstrated. You don't have these kinds of things with a god.
inconclusive!. why not start with premises of islam and go after that. rather than discussing ideas and mechanisms and techniques, i think like that will be more productive. as the idea of god it self is distorted amon most people thinking and the idea about prophet's.
This is the difference....the Church will never teach you. Be smart. Read the Bible for yourself. In Revelation 13:8...there is no FREEWILL in Christianity. All have been determined by God/Jesus EVEN BEFORE Human are being borned. If you are condemned to hell, thru no fault of yours, because it has been written, bad luck to you. Never mind the HolyGhost in you, all the good works you do, Baptism you take, the Faith in Jesus you profess are all but in vain. No guarantee. Your Salvation is not automatic or guaranteed. Bold that. Underline that. It doesn't matter now whether you are Atheist, Buddhist, Hindu, Yudaism or Muslim. Its all written. Why bother..??? Just hope for the best that you are one of the chosen ones written to go to heaven. Quote this verse if any Christians fear mongering you about hell. Be Agnostic. Make sense right..??? In Islam, however, Human and Jinn are being given FREEWILL to choose when the truth has been revealed to them. To choose which path to take. Left, Right or Centre. Allah, the All Knowing...who know about the Past, the Present and the Future knows which path you or any Human or Jinn will take. This is Qadr, one of the Article of Faith in Islam. So do not choose wrong. Very soon, Christian Preachers will be going around preaching Islam to their flock on FREEWILL instead of taking passages from the Bible.
Human will have ultimate real peace, only when he realize, that he is the Spiritual Child of True God...!!! This knowledge is revealed by Jesus Christ to the Humanity and Jesus Christ replaced all religions...!!! Jesus Christ taught Humanity that, True God (Yahweh) is the Spiritual Father of Humanity...!!! This knowledge will give ultimate real peace to a Human-being, hence all must follow Jesus Christ...!!!
the only people that are arrogant are the muslims. They are unwilling to recognize their illogical beliefs.......an illiterate man, who lived in a cave, possessed all kinds of scientific knowledge. That's illogical and arrogant muslims are not willing to accept it.
As an athiest I don't say there is no creator. I say there's no evidence only hopeful guessing. And in my opinion if there is a God and he chooses me be invisible it must be for a reason. Out of respect for this possible creator I focus on life rather seeking a creator that seems to want you to look elsewhere.
@Kenpachi_White707 your belief us not the issue...its your definition of sn atheist was what I was commenting on. You can't say " as sn atheist I don't say there is no creator " because that is EXACTLY the atheists position...that they believe there is no creator. Atheist- a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
@@rosdykalat2620 yes, lacks belief. Meaning doesn't believe. I don't believe there's a God. But I don't claim to know there's no God. Do you get the difference?
@@Kenpachi_White707 Seriously...are you for real? Do you atheist argue just for the sake of argueing ?? Why are you making it harder than what it is?? An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in a god, while an agnostic is someone who doesn't believe it's possible to know for sure that a god exist. Which one are you bro???
He is Shaytan, Brothers need to stop entertaining and allowing this guy to have a platform to subliminally and blatantly conveying his disobedience to Allah firstly saying doesn’t see why you should thank the creator Acknowledging he exists then saying Allah should serve us! Wustagfirullah
Funny Hadiths 10 Sahih al-Bukhari 3259 Narrated Abu Sa`d: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Delay the (Zuhr) Prayer till it gets cooler, for the severity of heat is from the increase in the heat of Hell (fire). حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يُوسُفَ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ، عَنِ الأَعْمَشِ، عَنْ ذَكْوَانَ، عَنْ أَبِي سَعِيدٍ، رضى الله عنه قَالَ قَالَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم " أَبْرِدُوا بِالصَّلاَةِ فَإِنَّ شِدَّةَ الْحَرِّ مِنْ فَيْحِ جَهَنَّمَ ". Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 3259 In-book reference : Book 59, Hadith 69 USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 54, Hadith 481 (deprecated numbering scheme) Sahih Muslim 617 c Abu Huraira reported that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: The Fire said to the Lord: O Lord! some parts of mine have consumed the others, so allow me to exhale (in order to find some relief from this congestion). It was granted permission to take two exhalations, one exhalation during the winter and the other exhalation during the summer So whatever you perceive in the form of intense cold or hurting cold is from the exhalation of Hell. And whatever you perceive in the form of extreme heat or intense beat is from the exhalation of Hell. Sahih al-Bukhari 536, 537 Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "In very hot weather delay the Zuhr prayer till it becomes (a bit) cooler because the severity of heat is from the raging of the Hell-fire. The Hell-fire of Hell complained to its Lord saying: O Lord! My parts are eating (destroying) one another. So Allah allowed it to take two breaths, one in the winter and the other in the summer. The breath in the summer is at the time when you feel the severest heat and the breath in the winter is at the time when you feel the severest cold."
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It’s Alexei the insincere philosopher.
Philosopher is being generous 😂😂. Man read a few quotes and all of a sudden he is Aristotle’s second coming.
I can't recall when the first time I saw him was Brother Hamza or Brother Abbas/Brother Imran on EF Dawah.
@@jae0sauvefirst time ever was with young brother Ismael, who’s got a philosophy of science degree. Alexi’s philosophical arguments were totally destroyed back then, where he tried to leave (run away) on several occasions during the debate.
@@JUMBO747-4Ui wish for you success and happinness
I have seen brother Alexie in many debates but in this debate he is a totally changed person. I think has rationally done his research and I believe he will soon accept Islam by the will of Allah.
- Alexa?
- Alexi.
- ok, Alexa😂..
Hahaha it was innocent too which makes it funnier. Alhamdulilah
lol I saw that too
An atheist trying to understand gratitude is like a serial killer trying to understand compassion.
subjective realism.........when your arguments defy logic and reason
logic, reason and islam does not go together.
@@MoorfHiden-wq2ou Good heavens, the sheer audacity of asserting logic, reason and islam does not go together.! Why, that would be akin to declaring Bach a mediocre musician, Da Vinci a middling painter, or claiming the Atlantic but a humble stream.
@@MoorfHiden-wq2ou
A universe just "popping" into existence is perhaps a logical and reasoned thought??
You'd do anything to deny any creator behind the universe.. 😒
@@BedouinBebop you make no sense
@@joseftsubas2240
Nope i deny the islamic one that is the reason.
There is no such thing as an Agnostic Muslim, a requirement to be a muslim is believing in the Shahada. That by itself leaves no room for being an Agnostic Muslim.
Belief is irrelevant to knowledge. You could be an agnostic Muslim because if God doesn't exist then you don't know it to be true that God exists.
@@timcollett99Muslim means one who submits his will to the only true God
An agnostic wouldnt be able to be agnostic muslim since he would have to submit, except if he is submitting without believing in the Specific "God of Islam"
Which is nonsense
Anyway an agnostic is someone who thinks God may exist but he doesn't choose one God precisely
So in order to be an agnostic Muslim, one would have to reject all the other religions beliefs to only accept the possibility of the "islamic God"
That would be the most idiotic position to be in 😂
Agnostic Muslim:
"Oh ! I'm so smart ! If I had chosen the other religions to maybe accept the existence of God according to them I would have a chance to not be punished (idk like believing in Jesus dying for my sins and not being accountable for anything )
But No!
Let's choose the One where if I don't truly believe or submit to, I would certainly be punished"
@GRIM-SS You're response is incoherent and doesn't remotely address my comment.
An agnostic is someone who doesn't know whether or not there is a God. Agnostic comes from the ancient Greek 'gnosis' meaning knowledge.
Belief and knowledge are not the same thing. Someone could deeply and sincerely believe the sky is yellow, but they could not be said to have knowledge that the sky is yellow because the sky is not actually yellow.
In much the same way you could devoutly submit to to the will of a God you sincerely believe exists, but you could be mistaken. If God doesn't exist, then no matter how sincerely you believe, you have no knowledge of God's existence, and would therefore be an agnostic Muslim.
@@timcollett99 there isn't only one level of belief
One can believe something blindly or believe it because there is enough evidence to deduce it's plausibility
You're saying that if the thing you believe in is wrong or not true then you become agnostic ?
I don't understand why you say that 😅
Why would it make you an agnostic ? You would still be a believer but not a believer of the truth
Isn't agnostic someone who takes no position on whether it's true or not ? Or I have misunderstood this concept
@GRIM-SS As I said, the term agnostic derives from the ancient Greek for knowledge. It doesn't pertain to having taken a position or to belief. Therefore, if you were a sincere believer in a God that didn't actually exist, that would mean you could not be said to have 'knowledge' of God's existence. 'A' = without/ 'gnostis' = knowledge
This is why I personally find the term agnostic to be a rather useless one! What someone claims to know or not know is irrelevant to me. I care about what can be demonstrated to be true.
Lol, he runs on the first occasion 😂... he felt that he make no logical sense... you can find him with always the same argument on others channels like ali dawah, efdawah, etc
The irony of (presumably) a muslim flagging up someone else not making logical sense.
It's as though someone tells you muslims to say that you use logic even though you don't.
As if just saying it is enough.
God bless alexi brother
I saw Alexei before chatting with brother Hamza , for those who don’t know alexei ,,! Alexei became a philosopher after reading two books and an article 😅
Allah says in the Quran, it is not the eyes that r blind, but the heart is.
What a beautiful discussion from both parties ito respect and conversation flow with their objections.
Mashallah bro Zishaan persona, approach and politeness with such soft but to the point reason, STILL, the agnostic or whatever hybrid position Alexei stood, the PENNY STILL DID NOT FALL for Alexei.
They were so deep in discussion, then the aunty interrupted and took the discussion back to 1st base. I was like AUNTY, WHY?
Allah bless brother Zishaan with all good, and guide Alexei, Ameen.
I really enjoyed this discussion.
Allah says in the Quran, it is not the eyes that r blind, but the heart is. "
Well, that's completely wrong. The reason you do not believe in bigfoot isn't because you are blind or because you don't feel it in your heart. It's because there's no sufficient evidence. The reason we do not believe in your god isn't because we are blind or that we don't feel it in our heart........it's because there's no sufficient evidence.
Brother alexi is very handsome ma sha Allaah
May Allah guide him and us
I can’t believe I didn’t see it sooner or the fact that the rest of the world cannot see who he really is!
سبحان الله، صدق قول الله تعالى فيهم: وَلَوْ فَتَحْنَا عَلَيْهِم بَابًا مِّنَ السَّمَاءِ فَظَلُّوا فِيهِ يَعْرُجُونَ (14) ( لَقَالُوا إِنَّمَا سُكِّرَتْ أَبْصَارُنَا بَلْ نَحْنُ قَوْمٌ مَسْحُورُونَ (15)
Things he says, body language and behaviour suggests Mr Alexa knows Islam makes sense. Fact of the matter is he does not want to submit to the religion, he does not wanna give up his jahilea lifestyle. I believe he only comes to debate for Internet fame! 😮
😂 Good joke 👍🏾
Assume good. Your rude words can take someone far from guidance. Main essence of Prophet's dawh is to be patient
SubhanAllah may Allah be pleased with our efforts
Alexi hope you watch this back
34:30 He believes! Like he said himself he just will not submit same way his master didn’t when Allah commanded him to prostrate to Adam! I am confident he will no longer come to the park or he will come as someone else! So watch out brothers! ✌️❤️
4:55
Zeeshan: Alexa?
Alexi: Alexi.
Zeeshan: Alexi?! Alexa, Alexi. 🤷🏾♂️
Alexi: 🤔
Zeeshan: So Alexa, thats why i started with....
😂😂😂
Brother Zeeshan is something else.
He's too stupid to even remember a guy's name.
1st question to any person in the grave is: "Who is your Lord?" this by itself negates any doubt that there is no such thing as an agnostic Muslim!
الشيخ ذي شان جزاك الله خير الجزاء عن الإسلام والمسلمين وفي ميزان حسناتك الشيخ ❤❤❤❤❤❤
And no, he is not using a fallacy........a reification fallacy. A reification fallacy is when you treat something that is abstract as if it is a concrete real event.
I can explain further. When the atheist admits/believes that things happen by "chance", they are not trying to say "chance" is a real life event. Chance is a word we used to describe the predictability of real life events. Chance is not the event.
When you flip a coin, there is a 50% chance it lands on heads and 50% chance it lands on tails. Chance is the predictability and/or possibility of whether the coin lands on heads or tails. Chance is not the event. The coin flip and the natural forces that are applied to the coin........gravity, friction, speed, spin, surface it lands on, etc. We cannot predict with 100% accuracy of the outcome of the coin flip, so it has a 50/50 chance of tails or heads. Chance didn't cause the flip. It's not the real world event.
Therefore the atheist is not creating a reification fallacy. If you think the atheist means "chance" is the real life event or the cause of that real life event, then you are wrong.
Did you note the muslim also added in terms to reification , unpredictable and deterministic, these are no part of reification or the associated fallacy, he was making it up.
You describe quite a lot of the waffle he makes pretty well. Yes he was wrong , the whole spiel is to bamboozle .
It seemed really odd to argue god exists because of his assertions around the profound unlikelihood of us existing . Nothing about the probability of us existing says anything about the probability of a god existing, like your coin toss , saying god exists because heads came up and it was a 50/50 chance is fallacious.
Came across this analogy, he's describing a huge jar full of coloured balls ( potential universes ), and saying god really really likes the colour purple , and when we pick the first ball , it's purple , there you go he says god exists . But then we pour out all the balls we find no other ball is purple , so this would really put a dent in the assumption god really really likes purple. He's saying all the other balls are not purple.
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16:02 we do not have free will. We have free choice. Also this Alexi guy likes to argue for the sake of arguing. He doesn't really have a position except to flip flop.
SMille does not understand the fallacy of reification , its is indeed the taking of an abstract/concept/idea etc and confusing it with physical reality , a map is not the territory, the land it describes. Nothing about this relates to something being unpredictable or deterministic. He gets really weird on "chance" , again conflating nonsense , he's been the one defining his god into existence because of low chances as he sees them of fine tuning.
An argument from ignorance and incredulity.
Interesting that SMille uses the existence of some god to try and explain the seemingly near-impossible chances of arriving at the universe as we know it, yet has no explanation for the supposed existence of his god.
The chances of the universe existing, as we know it, without some god can't be any less than the chances of a god that creates a universe as we know it existing.
@@lewis72
Oh yes and the special pleading is always my favorite , ~"oh everything needs an explanation for it's existence, and its impossible that the universe could exist if it were not a god that created it, because anything else doing that would need an explanation."
_"so what explains gods existence ?"_
" what? Oh no god does not need an explanation for itself, only anything else you offer as a possible candidate explanation for the universe existing needs an explanation of itself"
If you take a step back , the fine tuning argument is that there are vast set of values whereby life could not exist, yet god had the opportunity to set up everything. I heard an analogy recently , imagine a vast jar full of coloured balls , and we know god really loves the colour purple . We reach in and the ball we extract is purple , there you go we say, god exists. But then we empty the jar and all the other balls are not purple, reasoning about this we ask , so where is the evidence god likes purple, where is the evidence that a purple loving god filled the jar?
@@tdsdave
Your forgetting that god exists necessarily and then conveniently also forget to explain where the necessity comes from.
A good comment I heard was "how can you look at something and determine if it's necessary or not ?
The more you poke and prod at Islam, the more you realise that it's just a thin veneer of specious bullshit.
@@lewis72
Yeah the contingency argument leads back to a problem called necessitarianism, which is kind of like determinism on steroids. God becomes a kind of robot, its actions and behavior is all necessary , which leads to the universe being necessary , which leads to you and I being necessary . Nothing can be contingent.
"A good comment..."
Yeah the conversation starts out talking as if everything around us is contingent, that we are contingent , but how can you tell, the world would look the same if everything was necessary.
"The more you poke and prod at Islam..."
They are terrible at philosophy because for about a 1000 years its been discouraged , not seen as a reliable way to "truth". It's really frowned upon to use it to argue for the existence of Allah , which is why in these arguments they refuse to identify the necessary or the first cause as Allah, they will insist that its a creator or any other label, except Allah, they are arguing for. Obviously they cannot been seen to debate the existence of Allah, that would entail doubt , and doubt leads to hellfire.
Much of their philosophy is just stolen and tweaked Christian arguments.
The rest of the religion , it scripture, the scriptures content , and its historicity is riddled with falsehoods, inconsistency and plain nonsense. Morally it really is stuck in the gutter of the 7th century.
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I've watched quite a lot of discussions/debates with Dr (!) Zakir Naik, Shabir Ally, Yasir Qadhi, Mufti Menk and the Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee duo that are Hijab and his boyfriend Ali Dawah and I've not heard anything that's vaguely convincing.
All have more holes that than a family pack of tea bags.
"Morally it really is stuck in the gutter of the 7th century"
- I'm still waiting for an explanation as to why anyone would use someone that owned slaves and had sex with a 9 year old as a perfect moral role model for all times.
I've heard a few "oh you're using the fallacy of presentism", which doesn't address my initial question to them.
This guy is just confused, and he's in denial
The irony.
lol @@lewis72
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Seen any flying donkeys recently ?
Maybe been talking to some trees ?
Is this supposed to be dawah I'm confused
This guy is playing tricks. He clearly doesn’t care about debating or have adequate knowledge or logic reasoning! he is a poorly equipped soldier that has now been exposed!!!!
You wanna blur the girls brov
The middle aged women in the background???
Why is he using reason to explain, is he Ashari?
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Try to look smart. I suspect this guy never had calamity in his life. So everything seems ok without God.
That's true. Religion needs to offer practical benefits to be appealing.
@@timelessrealmsIt does mate.
Bhai it’s the Muslims who are living in calamities all the times irrespective of praying 5 times a day.millions of Muslims are living in utter poverty in, in slums,due to illiteracy,overbreeding and praying…26 million Muslims are been fed by Jews, Christians and atheists in Europe, USA and Canada…look at these dawah guys who too fled from their poverty ridden Muslims countries and are living under the mercy of atheists in UK…peace bhai
He seems sincere. But hyperskepticism is a disease of the heart. And, its realated with sins. Je agrees with certain points and accepts it but he has already set his mind not to belief in the first place. Thats the key.
But hyperskepticism is a disease of the heart."
It has nothing to do with your heart. It's about evidence. Your skepticism about bigfoot existing has nothing to do with your heart. Our skepticism about your god has nothing to do with the heart. Not 1 thing.
He’s sealed his own heart and talks like the arrogant ones mentioned in the Quran. That’s not to say there’s no hope for him however currently that’s the position
@@PLayAshEFF72 It has nothing to do with the heart.
@@scottholder4431 alright you must be right big Scott. Sorry 😂
There's a huge difference between believing you will get shocked compared to believing in a god. Electricity has verifiable evidence. It can be demonstrated. You don't have these kinds of things with a god.
Zeeshan 🤡
inconclusive!. why not start with premises of islam and go after that. rather than discussing ideas and mechanisms and techniques, i think like that will be more productive. as the idea of god it self is distorted amon most people thinking and the idea about prophet's.
This Dawa was Top knotch. Alhamdulia
This is the difference....the Church will never teach you. Be smart. Read the Bible for yourself.
In Revelation 13:8...there is no FREEWILL in Christianity. All have been determined by God/Jesus EVEN BEFORE Human are being borned. If you are condemned to hell, thru no fault of yours, because it has been written, bad luck to you. Never mind the HolyGhost in you, all the good works you do, Baptism you take, the Faith in Jesus you profess are all but in vain. No guarantee. Your Salvation is not automatic or guaranteed. Bold that. Underline that.
It doesn't matter now whether you are Atheist, Buddhist, Hindu, Yudaism or Muslim. Its all written. Why bother..??? Just hope for the best that you are one of the chosen ones written to go to heaven. Quote this verse if any Christians fear mongering you about hell. Be Agnostic. Make sense right..???
In Islam, however, Human and Jinn are being given FREEWILL to choose when the truth has been revealed to them. To choose which path to take. Left, Right or Centre.
Allah, the All Knowing...who know about the Past, the Present and the Future knows which path you or any Human or Jinn will take. This is Qadr, one of the Article of Faith in Islam. So do not choose wrong.
Very soon, Christian Preachers will be going around preaching Islam to their flock on FREEWILL instead of taking passages from the Bible.
Some atheist, especially this guy, think that they smarter then they actually are !
Human will have ultimate real peace, only when he realize, that he is the Spiritual Child of True God...!!!
This knowledge is revealed by Jesus Christ to the Humanity and Jesus Christ replaced all religions...!!!
Jesus Christ taught Humanity that, True God (Yahweh) is the Spiritual Father of Humanity...!!!
This knowledge will give ultimate real peace to a Human-being, hence all must follow Jesus Christ...!!!
Arrogance at its best 😂😂
the only people that are arrogant are the muslims. They are unwilling to recognize their illogical beliefs.......an illiterate man, who lived in a cave, possessed all kinds of scientific knowledge. That's illogical and arrogant muslims are not willing to accept it.
As an athiest I don't say there is no creator. I say there's no evidence only hopeful guessing.
And in my opinion if there is a God and he chooses me be invisible it must be for a reason. Out of respect for this possible creator I focus on life rather seeking a creator that seems to want you to look elsewhere.
"As an athiest I don't say there is no creator. "
Then you're not an Atheist, You're an Agnostic. "Out of respect for this possible creator "
@@rosdykalat2620 but I have no reason to believe he exist so I don't. I'm agnostic? I'm not saying there's no God but I'm not saying there is either.
@Kenpachi_White707 your belief us not the issue...its your definition of sn atheist was what I was commenting on. You can't say " as sn atheist I don't say there is no creator " because that is EXACTLY the atheists position...that they believe there is no creator.
Atheist- a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
@@rosdykalat2620 yes, lacks belief. Meaning doesn't believe. I don't believe there's a God. But I don't claim to know there's no God. Do you get the difference?
@@Kenpachi_White707 Seriously...are you for real? Do you atheist argue just for the sake of argueing ?? Why are you making it harder than what it is??
An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in a god, while an agnostic is someone who doesn't believe it's possible to know for sure that a god exist.
Which one are you bro???
🤬 Disrespecting and disrupting dawah! 😡🤬
He is Shaytan, Brothers need to stop entertaining and allowing this guy to have a platform to subliminally and blatantly conveying his disobedience to Allah firstly saying doesn’t see why you should thank the creator Acknowledging he exists then saying Allah should serve us! Wustagfirullah
Funny Hadiths 10
Sahih al-Bukhari 3259
Narrated Abu Sa`d:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Delay the (Zuhr) Prayer till it gets cooler, for the severity of heat is from the increase in the heat of Hell (fire).
حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يُوسُفَ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ، عَنِ الأَعْمَشِ، عَنْ ذَكْوَانَ، عَنْ أَبِي سَعِيدٍ، رضى الله عنه قَالَ قَالَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم " أَبْرِدُوا بِالصَّلاَةِ فَإِنَّ شِدَّةَ الْحَرِّ مِنْ فَيْحِ جَهَنَّمَ ".
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 3259
In-book reference : Book 59, Hadith 69
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 54, Hadith 481
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Sahih Muslim 617 c
Abu Huraira reported that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
The Fire said to the Lord: O Lord! some parts of mine have consumed the others, so allow me to exhale (in order to find some relief from this congestion). It was granted permission to take two exhalations, one exhalation during the winter and the other exhalation during the summer So whatever you perceive in the form of intense cold or hurting cold is from the exhalation of Hell. And whatever you perceive in the form of extreme heat or intense beat is from the exhalation of Hell.
Sahih al-Bukhari 536, 537
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "In very hot weather delay the Zuhr prayer till it becomes (a bit) cooler because the severity of heat is from the raging of the Hell-fire. The Hell-fire of Hell complained to its Lord saying: O Lord! My parts are eating (destroying) one another. So Allah allowed it to take two breaths, one in the winter and the other in the summer. The breath in the summer is at the time when you feel the severest heat and the breath in the winter is at the time when you feel the severest cold."
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That suit 🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
whose suit?
Don't pick on how people dress not good
@@dan138zig Zisans
@@queenbeequeen3143 why? If you look like one of them you are .... Sahi AHADITH.....
@@queenbeequeen3143 a Muslim man can wear Gold and RED!