Misconduct must have consequences, but the reasons for and nature of the misconduct should be considered when deciding what the consequences should be. Fulcher's decision was wise and driven by compassion, and I commend him for it, regardless of the law.
The content that Casefile Presents is so exact. No glossing over or editing. My favourite channel now. The Presenter has a terrific voice. Many thanks!🐾
Genie unfortunately the criminals rights are also the same rights that protect innocent people that may be falsely accused or attacked by corrupt police.
@@victoriapschen Odd that they never *do* protect the innocent though. Those same rights and legal systems rarely benefit anyone except the murderers, sex perverts and violent criminals. So proud of our legal systems almost every time I read the news and am reminded that there is no real justice in the world.
@@TMMReznor they absolutely do protect the innocent, though. You just never hear of it because it's not considered news. Salacious stories of murderers and sex offenders getting off because of "technicalities" are rare in real life but get a lot of media attention and are over-represented on TV shows.
@@robokill387lol you believe that in your little land of fairys and other such nonsense. Lol . Why is it the most ignorant always talk with such authority lol you have no clue butt wipe.
The research and narration are the best I've heard. 10/10 Casefile Team. Regarding the Police caution, Halliwell would never have disclosed the location of the bodies (which was important to the families) if cautioned a second time. Personally, I feel in this case, the right thing was done.
No, he deliberately violated a suspects rights to get a confession. These protections exist for a reason, he can't just discard them because it makes his job easier.
@@robokill387 he didn't do it it make his job easier he did it to find the bodies of two murdered women, no wonder your screen name is robot killer if you think killers have more rights than victims and their families
@@ANXIETY_SLAYY_781 don't start with that "victims rights" reactionary shit. Rule of law exists for a reason, there's a reason why there are procedures to follow as opposed to just lynching people.
@hank jones He would have violated his moral stance. While I believe laws are in place for a reason, to me it is clear that Fulcher's consideration of the victims' rights over that of the offender was a higher moral standard than the prescribed laws--and that came at great cost to him.
Also just so people know - Fulcher was disciplined for misconduct and later resigned, losing his £500,000 police pension and selling his house. Sian's mother Elaine Pickford says what he did was understandable to her family.20 Sept 2018 (daily mail)
It's maybe understandable but completely unethical. PACE was brought in to protect people from police malpractice after many cases of people being wrongly convicted after false confessions were extracted using questionable tactics and bullying.
@@MsBeachLizard That's true, but even if the police catch someone standing over a dead body, covered in blood and holding a bloody knif, ,there is still a correct way to do things. It's not for the police to decide guilt or direct a verdict but rather the courts. That's why we have justice systems and not police states.
No matter how sincere the officer's actions were corrupt. Innocent people have been imprisoned due to coercion, tampering of evidence. The guilty have been released due to the inability of enforcement to follow procedure. These frameworks are instilled to protect all
Misconduct must have consequences, but the reasons for and nature of the misconduct should be considered when deciding what the consequences should be. Fulcher's decision was wise and driven by compassion, and I commend him for it, regardless of the law.
The content that Casefile Presents is so exact. No glossing over or editing. My favourite channel now. The Presenter has a terrific voice.
Many thanks!🐾
Each and every podcast is a home run
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How disgraceful that a policeman of that experience was treated so badly because the criminals rights are more important than his victims.
Genie unfortunately the criminals rights are also the same rights that protect innocent people that may be falsely accused or attacked by corrupt police.
@@victoriapschen Odd that they never *do* protect the innocent though. Those same rights and legal systems rarely benefit anyone except the murderers, sex perverts and violent criminals. So proud of our legal systems almost every time I read the news and am reminded that there is no real justice in the world.
@@TMMReznor they absolutely do protect the innocent, though. You just never hear of it because it's not considered news. Salacious stories of murderers and sex offenders getting off because of "technicalities" are rare in real life but get a lot of media attention and are over-represented on TV shows.
@@robokill387 agreed!
@@robokill387lol you believe that in your little land of fairys and other such nonsense. Lol . Why is it the most ignorant always talk with such authority lol you have no clue butt wipe.
Thank you for sharing this video.
The research and narration are the best I've heard. 10/10 Casefile Team.
Regarding the Police caution, Halliwell would never have disclosed the location of the bodies (which was important to the families) if cautioned a second time. Personally, I feel in this case, the right thing was done.
Yup and fulcher resigned and lost his massive pension i put details above
Fulcher might have done just the right thing in this case. Most probably they wouldn't have found those two girls otherwise.
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I've seen a documentary, it was heartbreaking.
Me too 😪
Steve Fulcher should have just said he cautioned him when they were alone. Seems to me he's paid for being too honest and morally upright.
No, he deliberately violated a suspects rights to get a confession. These protections exist for a reason, he can't just discard them because it makes his job easier.
@@robokill387 he didn't do it it make his job easier he did it to find the bodies of two murdered women, no wonder your screen name is robot killer if you think killers have more rights than victims and their families
@@ANXIETY_SLAYY_781 don't start with that "victims rights" reactionary shit. Rule of law exists for a reason, there's a reason why there are procedures to follow as opposed to just lynching people.
@UCP7kRHtHCKp-tn8x9m23Yvg cool story bro
@hank jones He would have violated his moral stance. While I believe laws are in place for a reason, to me it is clear that Fulcher's consideration of the victims' rights over that of the offender was a higher moral standard than the prescribed laws--and that came at great cost to him.
Also just so people know - Fulcher was disciplined for misconduct and later resigned, losing his £500,000 police pension and selling his house. Sian's mother Elaine Pickford says what he did was understandable to her family.20 Sept 2018 (daily mail)
It's maybe understandable but completely unethical. PACE was brought in to protect people from police malpractice after many cases of people being wrongly convicted after false confessions were extracted using questionable tactics and bullying.
@@ellentronicmistress4969 Maybe So. But it's hardly a false confession when two bodies are attached--including one they didn't even know about.
@@MsBeachLizard That's true, but even if the police catch someone standing over a dead body, covered in blood and holding a bloody knif, ,there is still a correct way to do things. It's not for the police to decide guilt or direct a verdict but rather the courts. That's why we have justice systems and not police states.
Poor Sian rip
I side with the cop emotionally but logically know we can't have lawless societies where police break the rules
No matter how sincere the officer's actions were corrupt. Innocent people have been imprisoned due to coercion, tampering of evidence. The guilty have been released due to the inability of enforcement to follow procedure. These frameworks are instilled to protect all
All but the victim and their families.
The actions are only corrupt if they are unfounded. Two bodies are not the result of police corruption.