@@BiblicalBookwormOn a serious note sometimes medical conditions can foster the need to self pleasure either men or women. That may cause a pickle of a situation ( no pun intended ).
Beautiful summary, Elisabeth! Thank You for sharing your thoughts and reflections on this essential and important work from JPII. There are so many references to Scripture in these audiences. “From the beginning…” This has the Book of Genesis as its foundation in the discussion of IDENTITY and PERSONHOOD. I really enjoyed your summary of “purity”, and how JPII recognizes the 2 aspects of this important virtue. Thank You for sharing your thoughts on this beautiful book. Blessings on your day! 🙏🏻😇
Wow Elisabeth! What an excellent summary of some very complex ideas! As I was listening to your presentation I kept thinking of both the Apostle's Creed and the Nicene Creed which both express the importance of the body in the Resurrection. As these Creeds are central to any true exposition of genuine Christianity they further underline the importance of our bodies. Once again Elisabeth. Well done!👍
Under Christ’s Commandment of Love, we are called to love and respect other persons, not to morally judge them but leave that judging to God. Respect for the person is a core principle of this understanding of Living with Christ and we are called to see and interrelate with another person as an Alter Christus, or Other Christ as the Church teaches in the doctrine of the Mystical Body of Christ. Living this way is transformative and is an simple way to live under Christ’s Commandment of Love if we adopt His Commandment of Love as our Rule of Life.
Hi Elizabeth! I thought this video was especially for me. I mean, I literally thought you were talking to me. I love the topic very much myself. I think purity is essential and necessary for living the Christian life. I think it’s also the most attacked virtue when it comes to striving to love God with our whole strength,mind and soul. And our bodies need to be protected with self control. I think if we don’t protect our body with self control we can become shameful and fall into self hate. I hope you have a wonderful week. Still praying for all your intentions. 😊❤
“Man became the Image of GOD not only through his own humanity, but also through the communion of persons, which man and woman form from the very beginning. . .” (TOB 9:3) St. John Paul II . . . Pray for Us! 🙏🏻 🙏🏻 🙏🏻
@BiblicalBookworm When Christians assert that God created man in his image do they mean, ...... with no knowledge of right and wrong ?? 🤔 or did he only only truly reflect _"Gods image"_ AFTER eating of the fruit when he became a "sinner" ?? 🤔 is this why man can be a jealous, genocidal monster at times just like his alleged "creator" ??
@@BiblicalBookworm I listened to a podcast last night with fr. Carlos Martin he is a excersist , pretty freaky stuff , it's a long interview but very interesting
Because two people can use the same term, but mean two different things because a word can have more than one valid definition, could you properly define the term "morality" so that I can understand what you mean when you use the term "Christian Sexual Morality"? ...Once you properly define the term "morality", then what method do you use to recognize the "morality" of any action?
The term "Christian Sexual Morality" in the title of this video refers to the 6th and 9th commandments. In order to recognize the morality of any action I refer to the Bible.
@@BiblicalBookworm "The term "Christian Sexual Morality" in the title of this video refers to the 6th and 9th commandments. "... ...Sorry, but this reply still does not let me know if you are using a proper definition for the term "morality" or some wierd definition that would not be acceptable. Let me help by providing a proper definition to confirm your usage. morality: principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior/action. Is this the definition you intend to relay when you use the term "morality"? If not, then why not? "In order to recognize the morality of any action I refer to the Bible."... ...Using the Bible as a guide to recognize the morality of actions...Is it ever morally acceptable to be allowed to purchase another person and consider them to be your property that you can pass on to your children as an inheritance?
"Thou shalt not commit adultery" is how the jews understood it. You can not have sex with another man's wife. The 6th commandment for a catholic is more than just adultery. It says "Thou shalt not commit impure acts". Not with oneself, and not with another person, (other than your legal spouse). This was not given to honor the matter of your body, st. Paul says the body (of a baptised person) is the dwelling place of the Holy Spirit. the main purpose of the commandment is not to offend God, the Creator, .....because an act with the body is committed by the soul. it is the soul who approves of this act, and carries it out. it is the soul who commits sin, or practices virtue. The act of disobedience of Eve, by eating the fruit (a very physical activity) was not dishonoring her body, it was the sin of offending God. I was always under the impression that for John Paul II the central point of focus is man. Man is central to everything in his view. Shouldn't our focus be God ?
I understand where you're coming from! I agree, the purpose of every commandment is not to offend God. But it is also interesting to reflect on the reasons God might have had for that commandment. Of course, our focus should be on God. And by looking at Him we might discover the reasons for His commandments.
Grüß Gott! (Do they say that in Austria?) Please be careful with this topic, it is rather problematic. Are you open to a good traditional Catholic critique of T.O.B.? If so, please google "Randy Engel theology of the body", and read the .pdf article from Catholic Family News. It's excellent. God bless you! (If you happen to see Martin or Brittany S., tell them Chris Brennan says hello.) 🙂
Thank you for pointing this out. The document you suggest is 81 pages long so I won't be able to read it all. Is there anything in this video that you find problematic? Or which pages of the PDF you suggested refer to the specific topics I address in my video? Yes, we say "Grüß Gott". 🙃
@@BiblicalBookworm Es tut mir leid! This appears to be a much longer version of an interview Catholic Family News did with Mrs. Engel years ago on this subject. I can't find that interview now, so I will go through this article tonight or tomorrow and try to find the best parts for you to read. Also, your English is so flawless, I forgot that it isn't your first language! 🙂I can just imagine myself trying to read an article that long in Deutsch!
@@BiblicalBookworm Overall your video was very basic and unobjectionable. Only the topic of a husband "lusting" after his wife is a bit problematic, from a traditional perspective, as it appears to be a post-Vatican II novelty. I'm not aware of any precedent for this in the Church's magisterium. Bishop Wojtyla/Pope John Paul II did exhibit an unfortunate taste for novelty and reinvention ("Luminous Mysteries", capital punishment, Hell being empty, etc.). But that is a separate topic. I will see what I can dig up for you and get back to you! 🙂
@@BiblicalBookworm A good smaller article to google would be “Theology of the Body Genesis of Confusion”. If you prefer non-SSPX sources, the Rorate Caeli blog did some excellent articles with Italian theologian Don Pietro Leone. Search for “What’s wrong with personalism and theology of the body” and read paragraphs 8 - 12. (This may be a bit challenging without formal training in philosophy and theology, but it’s well worth the effort). Another one with him is “The Church and Asmodeus - Part 3”. Look for paragraph '3 THEOLOGY OF THE BODY’. After reading these excerpts, you’ll be in a better position to benefit from the final pages of the larger article I sent you yesterday, pages 73 - 79. (Mrs. Engel is an accomplished Catholic author and researcher, having worked against abortion and “sex education” in America since the 1960s.) Also on page 31, Pope John Paul’s suggestion that a husband could commit “adultery” with his own wife. After 28 years of marriage, I find this assertion particularly absurd. The point is that theology as a science requires very precise language, and is not well served by novelty and experimentation. Unfortunately, those were both habits of Bishop Wojtyla/Pope John Paul II. If anything is unclear or you have any questions, feel free to ask me. I must say that your channel and your work are excellent, uplifting offerings, especially for young Catholics. A year ago I encouraged Brittany Sellner to look into your videos. Perhaps you know her?
@@BiblicalBookworm Here are the links to these articles, if RUclips doesn't delete them: sspx.org/en/theology-of-the-body-genesis-of-confusion rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2020/07/whats-wrong-with-personalism-and.html rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2017/03/the-church-and-asmodeus-part-3-and.html
Morality is the cognitive process of differentiating between human intentions, decisions, and actions that are appropriate from those inappropriate. The recognition and evaluation of the consequences our choices have with regards to ourselves and others. My NOT believing in a mythological god in no way impedes the ability of forming such moral assessments. We are self aware conscious pain and emotion feeling individuals capable of love or hate, incredible acts of altruism or depravity. It's how we navigate through life and these potential extremes that define us, not our belief ( or lack of ) in your specific subjective invisible friend.
@@sjo9292 // "'im interested why you think God is mythical" // Do you have ANY "objective" evidence you think would justify belief that our moral status the result of a talking snake convincing a rib woman and mud figurine man to eat a magic fruit against the wishes of an invisible God called Yahweh? 🤔 If not then do I really need to elaborate any further on your question ?
@@trumpbellend6717Dear Friend, I see your difficulty. For evidence that you have a transphysical soul that will survive your death, you need only look into your own heart. We are made in God's image. With the exception of psychopaths or sociopaths, we get a gut reaction when we go against any of the 10 commandents--they are written on our hearts. When we continually sin, we become angry and bitter--why? Because our immortal soul is aggitated; it knows that it is heading for eternal death rather than eternal life. Those who live according to God's commands, God who is Love and Mercy itself, experience a peace the world cannot give. Once you have tasted that peace, you never want to live without it.
@@trumpbellend6717 Dear Friend, I do not know what happened to my reply a few days ago. I believe in God and follow His commandments and have His peace, the peace the world cannot give, in my heart. That you are bothered by Genesis is precisely why God created us out of dirt - the sin of the evil enemy was pride--so God is saying that humanity has no basis for pride. As far as the talking snake is concerned, why is that a problem? By definition, God can do anything. Humanity was given a choice to obey God or not. God did not create us robots, but persons who could do our own thing, and, unfortunately, we did. God still loves us and forgives us.
@@sjo9292 I will take that as a NO you don't have any evidence. The only thing you offer is baseless assertions that mean nothing. Don't waste any more of my time with this nonsense 🥱😴
@@trumpbellend6717 Scientific evidence for a transphysical human soul that will survive after death. A great discussion, but cut to the chase at 22:40: ruclips.net/video/dSCKppp14U8/видео.htmlsi=SA3lgq3B57R4WqF8
@@BiblicalBookworm A better question would be why I wouldn't reject it? At worst, it is not infallible teaching in the slightest. It is merely a collection of JP II's speeches at St. Peter's square.
@BiblicalBookworm Well, I apologize, but it will be difficult for me to get into the weeds of this without offending people, given how many Catholics prize it to my amazement. Personally, its defense of Catholic sexual ethics, I think, is simply pathetic. The fact that you are asking me why, however, tells me that you aren't able to see any problems with it logically by yourself. As such, we would need to discuss the fundamentals to such a degree, I think it would be a waste of time. For the record, I am Catholic, and I literally can not stand it, especially given how many people tout it as "Catholic teaching." I also chose John Paul II's name at my confirmation. I am not a radical traditionalist either. Edit: I am also not a leftist.
Catholic here also, you don't have to think JP2s Theology of the Body is infallible for you to find good Catholic teaching in it. To categorically reject it is absurd. The man was the Pope for crying out loud. @nicksimmons1305
one of the best summaries on youtube of the Theology of the body
Thank you 😊
This is my first video of yours. It's beautiful seeing people in love with our faith. God bless.
Welcome to my channel! God bless you too!
@@BiblicalBookwormDid Eve look at Adam standing next to an elephant & have a head scratching moment?
@@BiblicalBookwormOn a serious note sometimes medical conditions can foster the need to self pleasure either men or women.
That may cause a pickle of a situation ( no pun intended ).
Beautiful summary, Elisabeth! Thank You for sharing your thoughts and reflections on this essential and important work from JPII. There are so many references to Scripture in these audiences. “From the beginning…” This has the Book of Genesis as its foundation in the discussion of IDENTITY and PERSONHOOD. I really enjoyed your summary of “purity”, and how JPII recognizes the 2 aspects of this important virtue. Thank You for sharing your thoughts on this beautiful book. Blessings on your day! 🙏🏻😇
You're welcome! God bless you too! 🙏🌷
Wow Elisabeth! What an excellent summary of some very complex ideas!
As I was listening to your presentation I kept thinking of both the Apostle's Creed and the Nicene Creed which both express the importance of the body in the Resurrection. As these Creeds are central to any true exposition of genuine Christianity they further underline the importance of our bodies.
Once again Elisabeth. Well done!👍
Thank you! 😊🌷
Under Christ’s Commandment of Love, we are called to love and respect other persons, not to morally judge them but leave that judging to God. Respect for the person is a core principle of this understanding of Living with Christ and we are called to see and interrelate with another person as an Alter Christus, or Other Christ as the Church teaches in the doctrine of the Mystical Body of Christ. Living this way is transformative and is an simple way to live under Christ’s Commandment of Love if we adopt His Commandment of Love as our Rule of Life.
Hi Elizabeth! I thought this video was especially for me. I mean, I literally thought you were talking to me. I love the topic very much myself. I think purity is essential and necessary for living the Christian life. I think it’s also the most attacked virtue when it comes to striving to love God with our whole strength,mind and soul. And our bodies need to be protected with self control. I think if we don’t protect our body with self control we can become shameful and fall into self hate. I hope you have a wonderful week. Still praying for all your intentions. 😊❤
Thank you! I'm praying for you as well! 🙏
Although I don't like John Paul 2, I greatly enjoyed your video Elisabeth. Great job and I look forward to your next video!
I'm happy to hear that! 😊
i took a class at Steubenville on this, (and met Dr. Waldstein, the translator! and teacher), very great book
Great video! :) This book is on my list - I follow the youtube channel dedicated to its ideas, and there's lots of wisdom there.
Thank you! 😊
The book sounds very interesting. I have only heard its ideas being discussed. Will try to read the online version over time.
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❤ Totally enjoyed, thankyou, muchlove.
Thanks for these nice videos
You're welcome 😊
I love your channel
Thank you 😊
@@BiblicalBookworm You are welcome.
Amazing video ma ✝️ beautiful, smart , & catholic God bless you. I love you too Elisabeth. ❤️🔥
Thank you so much for this video ❤🙏
You are welcome!
“Man became the Image of GOD not only through his own humanity, but also through the communion of persons, which man and woman form from the very beginning. . .” (TOB 9:3)
St. John Paul II . . . Pray for Us! 🙏🏻 🙏🏻 🙏🏻
Amen.
@BiblicalBookworm
When Christians assert that God created man in his image do they mean, ...... with no knowledge of right and wrong ?? 🤔 or did he only only truly reflect _"Gods image"_ AFTER eating of the fruit when he became a "sinner" ?? 🤔 is this why man can be a jealous, genocidal monster at times just like his alleged "creator" ??
I love you too
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Nice ! knowledgeable
Good review ! Complicated subject
Glad you liked it!
@@BiblicalBookworm I listened to a podcast last night with fr. Carlos Martin he is a excersist , pretty freaky stuff , it's a long interview but very interesting
What is this about.....
Any chance making video about Meister Eckhart
Greetings from Croatia
Thank you for the recommendation!
Because two people can use the same term, but mean two different things because a word can have more than one valid definition, could you properly define the term "morality" so that I can understand what you mean when you use the term "Christian Sexual Morality"?
...Once you properly define the term "morality", then what method do you use to recognize the "morality" of any action?
The term "Christian Sexual Morality" in the title of this video refers to the 6th and 9th commandments. In order to recognize the morality of any action I refer to the Bible.
@@BiblicalBookworm "The term "Christian Sexual Morality" in the title of this video refers to the 6th and 9th commandments. "...
...Sorry, but this reply still does not let me know if you are using a proper definition for the term "morality" or some wierd definition that would not be acceptable. Let me help by providing a proper definition to confirm your usage.
morality: principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior/action.
Is this the definition you intend to relay when you use the term "morality"? If not, then why not?
"In order to recognize the morality of any action I refer to the Bible."...
...Using the Bible as a guide to recognize the morality of actions...Is it ever morally acceptable to be allowed to purchase another person and consider them to be your property that you can pass on to your children as an inheritance?
awesome
I'm glad you liked it!
LOL - I love you too!!! 💌
Thank you for watching the video until the end! 😉
Eres Bella ❤
What we Lust stains the soul. Lustre. And also I love you too😘
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10:22 thumb up
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Are you fluent in German?
German is my native-language, so yes
@@BiblicalBookworm German people are 1000 years ahead of the human race.
"Thou shalt not commit adultery" is how the jews understood it. You can not have sex with another man's wife. The 6th commandment for a catholic is more than just adultery.
It says "Thou shalt not commit impure acts". Not with oneself, and not with another person, (other than your legal spouse). This was not given to honor the matter of your body, st. Paul says the body (of a baptised person) is the dwelling place of the Holy Spirit.
the main purpose of the commandment is not to offend God, the Creator, .....because an act with the body is committed by the soul. it is the soul who approves of this act, and carries it out.
it is the soul who commits sin, or practices virtue.
The act of disobedience of Eve, by eating the fruit (a very physical activity) was not dishonoring her body, it was the sin of offending God.
I was always under the impression that for John Paul II the central point of focus is man. Man is central to everything in his view. Shouldn't our focus be God ?
I understand where you're coming from! I agree, the purpose of every commandment is not to offend God. But it is also interesting to reflect on the reasons God might have had for that commandment. Of course, our focus should be on God. And by looking at Him we might discover the reasons for His commandments.
@@BiblicalBookworm Thank you, Elisabeth. I enjoy your channel.
Strongest Theology of the Body Fan v.s Weakest Augustinian Sexual Ethics Enjoyer. (I jest).
Grüß Gott! (Do they say that in Austria?) Please be careful with this topic, it is rather problematic. Are you open to a good traditional Catholic critique of T.O.B.? If so, please google "Randy Engel theology of the body", and read the .pdf article from Catholic Family News. It's excellent. God bless you! (If you happen to see Martin or Brittany S., tell them Chris Brennan says hello.) 🙂
Thank you for pointing this out. The document you suggest is 81 pages long so I won't be able to read it all. Is there anything in this video that you find problematic? Or which pages of the PDF you suggested refer to the specific topics I address in my video?
Yes, we say "Grüß Gott". 🙃
@@BiblicalBookworm Es tut mir leid! This appears to be a much longer version of an interview Catholic Family News did with Mrs. Engel years ago on this subject. I can't find that interview now, so I will go through this article tonight or tomorrow and try to find the best parts for you to read. Also, your English is so flawless, I forgot that it isn't your first language! 🙂I can just imagine myself trying to read an article that long in Deutsch!
@@BiblicalBookworm Overall your video was very basic and unobjectionable. Only the topic of a husband "lusting" after his wife is a bit problematic, from a traditional perspective, as it appears to be a post-Vatican II novelty. I'm not aware of any precedent for this in the Church's magisterium. Bishop Wojtyla/Pope John Paul II did exhibit an unfortunate taste for novelty and reinvention ("Luminous Mysteries", capital punishment, Hell being empty, etc.). But that is a separate topic. I will see what I can dig up for you and get back to you! 🙂
@@BiblicalBookworm A good smaller article to google would be “Theology of the Body Genesis of Confusion”. If you prefer non-SSPX sources, the Rorate Caeli blog did some excellent articles with Italian theologian Don Pietro Leone. Search for “What’s wrong with personalism and theology of the body” and read paragraphs 8 - 12. (This may be a bit challenging without formal training in philosophy and theology, but it’s well worth the effort). Another one with him is “The Church and Asmodeus - Part 3”. Look for paragraph '3 THEOLOGY OF THE BODY’.
After reading these excerpts, you’ll be in a better position to benefit from the final pages of the larger article I sent you yesterday, pages 73 - 79. (Mrs. Engel is an accomplished Catholic author and researcher, having worked against abortion and “sex education” in America since the 1960s.) Also on page 31, Pope John Paul’s suggestion that a husband could commit “adultery” with his own wife. After 28 years of marriage, I find this assertion particularly absurd.
The point is that theology as a science requires very precise language, and is not well served by novelty and experimentation. Unfortunately, those were both habits of Bishop Wojtyla/Pope John Paul II.
If anything is unclear or you have any questions, feel free to ask me. I must say that your channel and your work are excellent, uplifting offerings, especially for young Catholics. A year ago I encouraged Brittany Sellner to look into your videos. Perhaps you know her?
@@BiblicalBookworm Here are the links to these articles, if RUclips doesn't delete them:
sspx.org/en/theology-of-the-body-genesis-of-confusion
rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2020/07/whats-wrong-with-personalism-and.html
rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2017/03/the-church-and-asmodeus-part-3-and.html
you look very beautiful
Morality is the cognitive process of differentiating between human intentions, decisions, and actions that are appropriate from those inappropriate. The recognition and evaluation of the consequences our choices have with regards to ourselves and others. My NOT believing in a mythological god in no way impedes the ability of forming such moral assessments.
We are self aware conscious pain and emotion feeling individuals capable of love or hate, incredible acts of altruism or depravity. It's how we navigate through life and these potential extremes that define us, not our belief ( or lack of ) in your specific subjective invisible friend.
@@sjo9292
// "'im interested why you think God is mythical" //
Do you have ANY "objective" evidence you think would justify belief that our moral status the result of a talking snake convincing a rib woman and mud figurine man to eat a magic fruit against the wishes of an invisible God called Yahweh? 🤔
If not then do I really need to elaborate any further on your question ?
@@trumpbellend6717Dear Friend, I see your difficulty. For evidence that you have a transphysical soul that will survive your death, you need only look into your own heart. We are made in God's image. With the exception of psychopaths or sociopaths, we get a gut reaction when we go against any of the 10 commandents--they are written on our hearts. When we continually sin, we become angry and bitter--why? Because our immortal soul is aggitated; it knows that it is heading for eternal death rather than eternal life. Those who live according to God's commands, God who is Love and Mercy itself, experience a peace the world cannot give. Once you have tasted that peace, you never want to live without it.
@@trumpbellend6717 Dear Friend, I do not know what happened to my reply a few days ago. I believe in God and follow His commandments and have His peace, the peace the world cannot give, in my heart. That you are bothered by Genesis is precisely why God created us out of dirt - the sin of the evil enemy was pride--so God is saying that humanity has no basis for pride. As far as the talking snake is concerned, why is that a problem? By definition, God can do anything. Humanity was given a choice to obey God or not. God did not create us robots, but persons who could do our own thing, and, unfortunately, we did. God still loves us and forgives us.
@@sjo9292
I will take that as a NO you don't have any evidence. The only thing you offer is baseless assertions that mean nothing. Don't waste any more of my time with this nonsense 🥱😴
@@trumpbellend6717 Scientific evidence for a transphysical human soul that will survive after death. A great discussion, but cut to the chase at 22:40: ruclips.net/video/dSCKppp14U8/видео.htmlsi=SA3lgq3B57R4WqF8
I categorically reject the Theology of the Body. Sorry.
Why?
@@BiblicalBookworm
A better question would be why I wouldn't reject it?
At worst, it is not infallible teaching in the slightest. It is merely a collection of JP II's speeches at St. Peter's square.
@@nicksimmons1305 Sure, you're free to reject it. I'm just genuinly interested in your reasons for that
@BiblicalBookworm
Well, I apologize, but it will be difficult for me to get into the weeds of this without offending people, given how many Catholics prize it to my amazement.
Personally, its defense of Catholic sexual ethics, I think, is simply pathetic. The fact that you are asking me why, however, tells me that you aren't able to see any problems with it logically by yourself. As such, we would need to discuss the fundamentals to such a degree, I think it would be a waste of time.
For the record, I am Catholic, and I literally can not stand it, especially given how many people tout it as "Catholic teaching." I also chose John Paul II's name at my confirmation. I am not a radical traditionalist either.
Edit: I am also not a leftist.
Catholic here also, you don't have to think JP2s Theology of the Body is infallible for you to find good Catholic teaching in it. To categorically reject it is absurd. The man was the Pope for crying out loud.
@nicksimmons1305