Fabulous video thanks. T-me please 🙏 do a new video about base defense setup. More indepth. Heavy trooper or not. And which order you use depending on your setup please 🙏
My guess is that TW wanted to design a hero similar to Storm Shadow: No matter which hero combo you use (Ignite build or Combo Attack), the hero has a skill to support it. For the Navy this would be the debilitation/vulnerable and heavy/light shield combos. The only difference is that with Storm Shadow, no matter which combo you use, there is no overlap. With Ada u wont be able to use the bonus for the other hero combo🤷 But just out from the numbers she would be better then layla & duke so im currious how the battle logs looks like 😉
So my navy is Crimson/duke/jester. Based on what your saying here, makes no sense for me to change anything in place of the new hero. So as other's saying, yet again navy gets nothing. I thought this game was set up on a combat triangle. So navy beats army Army beats air Air beats navy But now navy just loses against everyone 😅
Navy looses to Airforce terribly, Navy looses to army marginally, Airforce looses to army... Ultimately Navy sucks 😂😂.. Feeling ashamed to be a Navy player 😂...but still I love navy 😅
That setup is solid and the performance won’t stop at the hero synergy , as you can add runes . Are there better setups ? Sure ..but implies to change minimum 1 hero . Zhen instead of crimson . The difference won’t be big . A bigger difference implying to change 2 heroes . That’s too much honestly. Would be wiser to see what improvements you can achieve on your tanks or planes
Marginal navy gets beat easily but there’s also many very strong navy marches that my Army march can’t touch. Like with every part of game it’s all about willingness to spend
Timmy, danke fürs Video und die Vorstellung von Ada. Ich bin gespannt ob Dein Gefühl welcher marsch der beste is, richtig ist. Hab das Gefühl Rivergame versucht grad einfach nur Lücken auszufüllen und Heros zu bringen die alles abdecken können. Ich sitze auf genügend gems und skill shards um 2 heros auf 5/5 zu bringen. Nutze aktuelll noch Jester/Crim/Duke Vielleicht wird’s Zeit für nen zweiten Marsch 😉 Schönen Samstag Dir 🫶🙌🏻😊
Ich werde es testen, ja. Aber , auf dem Papier: um Ada zu nutzen , musst du meow und Lilia nutzen ..das heißt: 3 neue Helden aufzubauen. Un die Runen fragen ist auch nicht geklärt
@ Ich warte ab was bei Dir rauskommt. Ada würde ich mit gems hoch ziehen können. Bei 2 weiteren fehlen mir dann noch ca 450 shards. Skill is dann natürlich eine andere Frage. Ich werd abwarten und dann schauen. Is eh das cleverste in diesem Spiel. Lieber mal etwas abwarten anstatt blind alles hoch zu Leveln 😉
en mis barcos tengo a Gipsi-Po-Crimson..los 3 con su exclusiva en 5 y solo tengo a lilia y ada para incorporar pero no tengo sus exclusivas cual creen que debo cambiar? aclaro que me cuesta mucho subir un heroe con su exclusiva en 5 por problemas de dinero
I think its better with Lilia and I am using Layla with Jester and Crimson, think Ada works better with Meow especially my Layla is packed with 2 full impact runes throwing out 4 more debilitate per proc. So if I were to replace Layla and swap the gears on Ada, that will significantly reduce the amount of shields I get. Although it has a higher indestructible effect at ES7, the damage is 110% x 6 vs 115% x 4 to 5 unless Ada has very high proc rate else the damage difference is quite big.
Hmm looks like I have to wait longer for my third hero. Duke/Jester both ex5 and Stromoy at level 80 ex3. I’ve been saving alot of shards for third one and Ada will not be good addition to me. Zhen will not appear again i guess 😢
I will test that , I do have some expectations. Hero trial is great but I need 10 hits per setup and wanna see first : Ada’s setup vs : jester Layla zhen then vs LiLia jester meow
No need to ask this question bro...Just send your strongest airforce which you already have and the opponent with Navy loose ...There is no confusion in this 😂... topwar declared that we will give only shi.t for Navy players
Ada-Lilia-Meow - I feel that this will be the only combo where you'll get the full potential out of all 3 heroes. I won't pair Ada with Jester/Stromoy as that negates her full potential.
Absolutely. And then the question is : HOW strong will this setup will be . The issue with this HA/LA shields …you may get it on a slot …BUT MEOW will NOT proc from there …giving your opponent the opportunity to take those shields off
@t-me8295 Agree. Rivergame is definitely trying hard to give life to Splash meta over the last few Navy heroes, let's see whether Ada is the missing puzzle.
Hi Timmy, thank you very much for another great video and your great help to the community. Please can you try to test (and show results) navy meta against army and airforce meta in hero trial setup with suppression value 0 for all unut types? Comparing meta marches without influence of suppression we obtain limited and objectively equal conditiond to compare cross-type basic hero strenght. Please, I did it many times and always get the same result and that is navy defeat, navy don't stand chance. Unfortunately I am exclusively navy player (never again) and I am severely frustrated with Top War-navy development team's incapability (and by my rough words - mental dissability), wich we can prove by suppression 0 value testing comparison. Thank you for your time, i hope this idea will be interesting to you. Big love and greetings from your fans from 3051. 😊
It’s a great idea Mika , but first I must test vs the old Navi meta : jester loyal zhen ..then vs jester Lilia meow . And I need 10 attacks per test. I will do that
I suggest you watch this video : TOPWAR: Up which VALUES for Damage Increase / Decrease, should we STOP USING the ENCIRCLEMENT UNITS ruclips.net/video/LI0gmHhrZno/видео.html The higher you dmg+ becomes , the smaller the 20% coming from encirclement is . If you still wanna use the encirclement (but watch that video first) won’t work with Ada and it’s a HUGE difference: - NOT just no procs from the 1-2 slots on which you use the encirclement - BUT an even BIGGER disadvantage is : NO indestructible buff on the encirclement units slots
That’s why we have this video : TOPWAR: Up which VALUES for Damage Increase / Decrease, should we STOP USING the ENCIRCLEMENT UNITS ruclips.net/video/LI0gmHhrZno/видео.html
I am a navy player, the only problem I have is that I only have Zhen, Layla and Gipsy Danger... all with exc. level 5 except Zhen. I can´t get another hero o exclusiv level 5 nor to 5 stars. Is there a possibility for me to also get value fro Ada?
@t-me8295 thank you very much, I will try to get Lilia for my next hero, one of the skill.shard boxes has to give me 1K I always get 50 out of them max :(
@@t-me8295 actually had results end in a draw from 10 attacks and 10 defence using Stromoy, Ada, Meowzilla vs Jester, Ada, Zhen.. i think Stromoy passive gets a good boost from Ada
@@t-me8295I think it might be oxymoron. The heavy armor and light armor can make the march strong when there is no debilitate, yet disappear there are debilitate when strong enough. Thus I think it is a good design to make the hero stable
While Po does NOT apply the debilitation to hinder ADA’s 30% hero design , zhen will be in conflict with this . Zhen needs the debilitation to hit harder. So , with no debilitation..zhen will hit weaker , while Ada will give you the 15% HA / LA (heavy / light armor ) …zhen won’t benefit from it . All that remains is : 15% less dmg from one regular attack / hero proc for 1 hit per activation of Ada
It becomes extremely complicated. Look at other games , they are SEVERELY simplifying their games , to have a lower entering point for new players. Let’s face it , their 3 parallel tactics: 1. Try to get old players back with buffs , etc…will that work ? 100% NOT 2. Carry on spamming us with 1 gazzilion of sale tabs every day ? Will NOT work 3. Attract New players …it’s the only tactic with a higher success rate. Big look how many old players have trouble understanding the complexity of this right now
Yes. We need to see tests but why one would upgrade bad hero Maplelyn for this potential synergy. Maple is bad. Period. So horrible they try to fix it later when nobody with brains did not touch that hero. Jester is awesome hero and not old hero, with her using Ada is disadvantage. Need to do tests but I have feeling I am not upgrading any new hero for awhile.
You will eventually reach a moment in which the hero performance must be extraordinary in order to 5 star it . And yes ..we must always take the runes in consideration. It was the CATASTROPHE of the century to implement the runes and that’s the price they must pay now. It will hunt them for a long while
Good work Mr. Timmy.. 😍😍💐💐🌹🌹
Thank you Erman ❤️
let's wait and see but hopefully she is good replacment for layla and it can work with jester and crimson :)
Fabulous video thanks. T-me please 🙏 do a new video about base defense setup. More indepth. Heavy trooper or not. And which order you use depending on your setup please 🙏
My guess is that TW wanted to design a hero similar to Storm Shadow: No matter which hero combo you use (Ignite build or Combo Attack), the hero has a skill to support it. For the Navy this would be the debilitation/vulnerable and heavy/light shield combos. The only difference is that with Storm Shadow, no matter which combo you use, there is no overlap. With Ada u wont be able to use the bonus for the other hero combo🤷 But just out from the numbers she would be better then layla & duke so im currious how the battle logs looks like 😉
So my navy is
Crimson/duke/jester.
Based on what your saying here, makes no sense for me to change anything in place of the new hero.
So as other's saying, yet again navy gets nothing.
I thought this game was set up on a combat triangle.
So navy beats army
Army beats air
Air beats navy
But now navy just loses against everyone 😅
Navy looses to Airforce terribly, Navy looses to army marginally, Airforce looses to army... Ultimately Navy sucks 😂😂.. Feeling ashamed to be a Navy player 😂...but still I love navy 😅
That setup is solid and the performance won’t stop at the hero synergy , as you can add runes .
Are there better setups ? Sure ..but implies to change minimum 1 hero . Zhen instead of crimson . The difference won’t be big .
A bigger difference implying to change 2 heroes . That’s too much honestly. Would be wiser to see what improvements you can achieve on your tanks or planes
Navi used to be in a VERY DARK place for at least 1 and half years . It’s better now .
@t-me8295 thank you for feedback 🫶
Marginal navy gets beat easily but there’s also many very strong navy marches that my Army march can’t touch. Like with every part of game it’s all about willingness to spend
I think I will stick to my striker 😅 thanks for the great video ❤
Ye 😂
Timmy, danke fürs Video und die Vorstellung von Ada.
Ich bin gespannt ob Dein Gefühl welcher marsch der beste is, richtig ist.
Hab das Gefühl Rivergame versucht grad einfach nur Lücken auszufüllen und Heros zu bringen die alles abdecken können.
Ich sitze auf genügend gems und skill shards um 2 heros auf 5/5 zu bringen.
Nutze aktuelll noch Jester/Crim/Duke
Vielleicht wird’s Zeit für nen zweiten Marsch 😉
Schönen Samstag Dir 🫶🙌🏻😊
Ich werde es testen, ja. Aber , auf dem Papier: um Ada zu nutzen , musst du meow und Lilia nutzen ..das heißt: 3 neue Helden aufzubauen. Un die Runen fragen ist auch nicht geklärt
@ Ich warte ab was bei Dir rauskommt. Ada würde ich mit gems hoch ziehen können. Bei 2 weiteren fehlen mir dann noch ca 450 shards. Skill is dann natürlich eine andere Frage.
Ich werd abwarten und dann schauen.
Is eh das cleverste in diesem Spiel. Lieber mal etwas abwarten anstatt blind alles hoch zu Leveln 😉
en mis barcos tengo a Gipsi-Po-Crimson..los 3 con su exclusiva en 5
y solo tengo a lilia y ada para incorporar pero no tengo sus exclusivas cual creen que debo cambiar?
aclaro que me cuesta mucho subir un heroe con su exclusiva en 5 por problemas de dinero
I think its better with Lilia and I am using Layla with Jester and Crimson, think Ada works better with Meow especially my Layla is packed with 2 full impact runes throwing out 4 more debilitate per proc. So if I were to replace Layla and swap the gears on Ada, that will significantly reduce the amount of shields I get. Although it has a higher indestructible effect at ES7, the damage is 110% x 6 vs 115% x 4 to 5 unless Ada has very high proc rate else the damage difference is quite big.
Replacing you Layla with Ada = full catastrophe - rearranging the runes
Hmm looks like I have to wait longer for my third hero.
Duke/Jester both ex5 and Stromoy at level 80 ex3. I’ve been saving alot of shards for third one and Ada will not be good addition to me.
Zhen will not appear again i guess 😢
@T-me I am curious to get your thoughts on what will be a good march to counter a march containing ADA. Specially, an Air Force march
I will test that , I do have some expectations. Hero trial is great but I need 10 hits per setup and wanna see first : Ada’s setup vs : jester Layla zhen then vs LiLia jester meow
No need to ask this question bro...Just send your strongest airforce which you already have and the opponent with Navy loose
...There is no confusion in this 😂... topwar declared that we will give only shi.t for Navy players
@ thanks!
Ada-Lilia-Meow - I feel that this will be the only combo where you'll get the full potential out of all 3 heroes. I won't pair Ada with Jester/Stromoy as that negates her full potential.
Absolutely. And then the question is : HOW strong will this setup will be . The issue with this HA/LA shields …you may get it on a slot …BUT MEOW will NOT proc from there …giving your opponent the opportunity to take those shields off
@t-me8295 Agree. Rivergame is definitely trying hard to give life to Splash meta over the last few Navy heroes, let's see whether Ada is the missing puzzle.
Hi Timmy, thank you very much for another great video and your great help to the community.
Please can you try to test (and show results) navy meta against army and airforce meta in hero trial setup with suppression value 0 for all unut types? Comparing meta marches without influence of suppression we obtain limited and objectively equal conditiond to compare cross-type basic hero strenght. Please, I did it many times and always get the same result and that is navy defeat, navy don't stand chance. Unfortunately I am exclusively navy player (never again) and I am severely frustrated with Top War-navy development team's incapability (and by my rough words - mental dissability), wich we can prove by suppression 0 value testing comparison.
Thank you for your time, i hope this idea will be interesting to you. Big love and greetings from your fans from 3051. 😊
It’s a great idea Mika , but first I must test vs the old Navi meta : jester loyal zhen ..then vs jester Lilia meow . And I need 10 attacks per test. I will do that
Of course, that would be the best way, no need to rush.
Thanks a lot Timmy but with so many new heroes in my navy I'm confused as to which march is the best combo.
I have a feeling and I will test tomorrow right away. Let’s hope I can stream right at reset . If not, I will test and make a video for sure
Ummm what?? I’m afraid I only achieved a bachelors degree at college not a PHD. 😂
I use two types of troops. How do I benefit from Ada without losing 20% damage? What's the best heroes work with 2 types from troops?
I suggest you watch this video :
TOPWAR: Up which VALUES for Damage Increase / Decrease, should we STOP USING the ENCIRCLEMENT UNITS
ruclips.net/video/LI0gmHhrZno/видео.html
The higher you dmg+ becomes , the smaller the 20% coming from encirclement is .
If you still wanna use the encirclement (but watch that video first) won’t work with Ada and it’s a HUGE difference:
- NOT just no procs from the 1-2 slots on which you use the encirclement
- BUT an even BIGGER disadvantage is : NO indestructible buff on the encirclement units slots
It is weird that Ada has the Debilitation, but also the armor. She is multitasking between Jester/Zhen and Lilia/Meowzilla.
Using a fire gun and right after a water gun..is a REAL BAD multitasking. 😂
Do you think that encirclement is even worth it anymore? I genuinely question it because all meta marches need to have specific unit type hero.
That’s why we have this video :
TOPWAR: Up which VALUES for Damage Increase / Decrease, should we STOP USING the ENCIRCLEMENT UNITS
ruclips.net/video/LI0gmHhrZno/видео.html
I am a navy player, the only problem I have is that I only have Zhen, Layla and Gipsy Danger... all with exc. level 5 except Zhen. I can´t get another hero o exclusiv level 5 nor to 5 stars. Is there a possibility for me to also get value fro Ada?
You should replace gipsy with lialia , that would improve your performance. Ada + zhen ain’t a 100% match
@t-me8295 thank you very much, I will try to get Lilia for my next hero, one of the skill.shard boxes has to give me 1K I always get 50 out of them max :(
i am main navy i run jester, layla and crimson . crimson has level 6 skill the other 2 are both level 5. who is this hero replacing ????
Not your Layla as the synergy of Layla + jester + crimson is GREAT
Ciao ciao ciao 😊
Ciao 😂
what you want to say 🙄🙄🙄
What about Stromoy silent effect ?
That’s fine . But jester is already stronger than Stromoy …Lilia also
@@t-me8295 actually had results end in a draw from 10 attacks and 10 defence using Stromoy, Ada, Meowzilla vs Jester, Ada, Zhen.. i think Stromoy passive gets a good boost from Ada
Contradictory... the word your looking for is contradictory
Thank you Timothy. Excellent. That’s the word I was looking for
@@t-me8295I think it might be oxymoron. The heavy armor and light armor can make the march strong when there is no debilitate, yet disappear there are debilitate when strong enough. Thus I think it is a good design to make the hero stable
@HarimotoSatoshi true
Po zhen and Ada ?
While Po does NOT apply the debilitation to hinder ADA’s 30% hero design , zhen will be in conflict with this . Zhen needs the debilitation to hit harder.
So , with no debilitation..zhen will hit weaker , while Ada will give you the 15% HA / LA (heavy / light armor ) …zhen won’t benefit from it .
All that remains is : 15% less dmg from one regular attack / hero proc for 1 hit per activation of Ada
Thanks for the video T-me 🫶
Top War really messing with navy players. Two horrible heroes in row for us poor navy players.
It becomes extremely complicated. Look at other games , they are SEVERELY simplifying their games , to have a lower entering point for new players.
Let’s face it , their 3 parallel tactics:
1. Try to get old players back with buffs , etc…will that work ? 100% NOT
2. Carry on spamming us with 1 gazzilion of sale tabs every day ? Will NOT work
3. Attract New players …it’s the only tactic with a higher success rate. Big look how many old players have trouble understanding the complexity of this right now
.. along with resetting runes! which is a pain
Yes. We need to see tests but why one would upgrade bad hero Maplelyn for this potential synergy. Maple is bad. Period. So horrible they try to fix it later when nobody with brains did not touch that hero.
Jester is awesome hero and not old hero, with her using Ada is disadvantage.
Need to do tests but I have feeling I am not upgrading any new hero for awhile.
You will eventually reach a moment in which the hero performance must be extraordinary in order to 5 star it . And yes ..we must always take the runes in consideration.
It was the CATASTROPHE of the century to implement the runes and that’s the price they must pay now. It will hunt them for a long while
@@Fyn123speaking of which….. used about 100 catalyst and zero rune this time around 😢