Also a great technique for dramatic voices who have to deal with long roles. The singers I know who use this method always describe it as effortless power, with no fatigue on the folds.
So, it is the voice you slide back is it as you sing? I mistakenly thot he was referring to inhaling which you do slide down the throat anyway!!! Incidentally I have been doing this (singing in female voice high notes) without my knowledge when I was 12/13 before my voice started to change. I did not take up singing seriously until I turned 42 which is when I started to sing in my original voice!!! I am 53 yo male and still finding my voice. There is a lot of (mis) information in the U.S. and by the time you find a good teacher whose techniques work for you a decade is gone!!! I was switching to my head voice early on (like 2 or 3 notes based upon a tip from a teacher with whom I worked only a few months) and wasted a few years like that not knowing I had good chest voice for a few more notes. More precisely I was already in my head voice for middle C as opposed to F/G and that makes a HUGE DIFFERENCE when singing Indian movie songs!!! Now I am back to finding the full range of my chest voice for the past 4 months since September 2022 thanks to Smule. I started first using the app in 2020 but did not really do much for the first 2 years. Thinking of connecting with Maestro Michael Trimble as my New Year Gift!!!
This is the Dalberg method as well. Been going down that road for a year now, great great method. The only danger I've found is that if you misunderstand, the tongue goes down the throat with the voice, and you get a depressed larynx style of singing. I was in that trap for a while.
I used to retract the tongue horribly (breathing and otherwise as I used to use it to try and control the larynx)!!!!! In case it helps when I breathe in I put my tongue in position for the word key which is about as tongue forward you can get. It ensures my tongue doesn't disappear with the inhalation. Through Michael's advice about breathing the larynx I've sorted that out too - so much amazing learning here. It doesn't just make sense, it works 😁. Happy, joyous singing..
Sir i have listened carefully over and over at the 20 min mark and wonder if you agree with my observations (or have another opinion) It seems to me that 1. the breath stop is the roundest tone; 2.forward breath stop is brassier; 3 inhaling while singing is the softest full sound and 4. letting it slide down is the most chiariscuro. I like 1 and 4 personally but they all sound like you!!
@@Tenoretrimble Thank you very much Maestro, I'm truly delighted reading your reply I find it especially easy to sing a mezzo forte throughout the range and a few punctual forte notes whenever dictated by the score. I was a little worried if I can be heard, but it seems it's totally fine and hopefully my lean will encourage my singing more and more. My students are also finding a lot of ease after I introduced many of elements I found in your videos I'm closely following your videos and a true fan of the tradition of the old Italian school, clear vowels and good lean, thank you!
Dear Maestro, thanks for identifying all these alternatives. Yes it is foremost all about the breath. I have three questions: 1. You mentioned that in the sliding back method there is no need for the staccato against sternum. Even when I try sliding back without the deliberate leaning or keeping diaphragm static, as I slide back (drink the tone back), with the right breathing, this ‘pushing out’ happens anyway as a result. Is that right? 2. You mentioned for Leonard Warren’s way of singing to hold the chest and abs (low and upper) still, and pre-sneeze and then just sing. In this case, I feel the lower back coming out a lot more because I hope my chest and tummy still. My question about this is where is leaning? In my own experimenting, after back moves out with the breath, I tried to resist it from coming in as I sing (but of coz it still comes in slowly) and then I breathe to the lower back again and repeat the same as I sing. As I sing scales and higher I feel like I have to keep something static, and since there is no leaning here (you haven’t yet mentioned perhaps), I tried to keep the entire body static chest, stomach and back as static as i possibly can. It seems to work but I’m not if it’s right because it seems like there is no contrary motion. Coz I breathe out the back (chest and tummy hold still) and when exhaling I’m still holding out the back. Could you elaborate more on Leonard warren’s way? 3. I realise that with some practice I could do these few different ways. Would it be wise at an audition to present 5 arias of contrasting style Verdi, Mozart, Rossini, Handel, Korngold etc and sing each piece in a different way (of course ensuring that one can sing it healthily with the correct breath) Thank you Maestro! Looking forward to hear from you.
Michael Trimble Thank you Maestro! Regarding rule #4 Lean the breath from the lower back against the diaphragm, I find that a little confusing. Hope you can help to clarify. 1. Singing feels upward and out when I think of the air from lower back up diagonally against the staccato and preset location (solar plexus). If I sing against a specific point in the solar plexus, versus if I Sing against the entire chest, the sound is different. Which is correct? 2. Singing (sighing) feels downward and seems more ‘relaxed’ when I think of preset and then sigh behind the solar plexus. It feels like I’m relaxing the air downwards against a point behind the solar plexus. I believe it also produces a different sound. You seem to suggest that this is also correct, but is it in contradiction to rule 4 where the lower back air should be up against the diaphragm (or chest)? In general, should we think air in the lower back goes diagonally up against solar plexus or sighing down behind solar plexus? Thank you!
So I was practicing infront of the candle flame, and trying to relax everything from my above my collarbone, and I've found a new sensation I didn't know before. It feels like my chest is being pushed out from my pressure of my voice from my lower back, is this similar to the ladder analogy you've spoken about before? Haviing my "voice" located in my chest seemed to of relaxed everything in my throat and head. My voice has never been this projected and controlled before, I'm amazed really. I want to do lessons with you, where can I contact you? I'm a contemporary musician, will this be applicible to me?
@@Tenoretrimble Ah, well, you deserve a very serene retirement for the very long and prosperous career you've had, Mr Trimble. Thank you for what you've been doing. I've learned more in a week of putting your teachings into practice than i have in my 2 years of singing alone on others information. I think the candle flame exercise has been the single most important thing to the development of my voice, that and realizing that inhaling into my lower back relaxes my larynx. Anyways, thank you for replying and giving me the time of day, I respect you tremendously.
@@Tenoretrimble THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING Maestro! Yes! I found this video so incredibly helpful and powerful. That's exactly what I have been doing. Lots and lots of gratitude
Of cause, dear Maestro! ❤Thank you.
Thank you sir 🙏
Also a great technique for dramatic voices who have to deal with long roles. The singers I know who use this method always describe it as effortless power, with no fatigue on the folds.
So, it is the voice you slide back is it as you sing? I mistakenly thot he was referring to inhaling which you do slide down the throat anyway!!! Incidentally I have been doing this (singing in female voice high notes) without my knowledge when I was 12/13 before my voice started to change. I did not take up singing seriously until I turned 42 which is when I started to sing in my original voice!!! I am 53 yo male and still finding my voice. There is a lot of (mis) information in the U.S. and by the time you find a good teacher whose techniques work for you a decade is gone!!! I was switching to my head voice early on (like 2 or 3 notes based upon a tip from a teacher with whom I worked only a few months) and wasted a few years like that not knowing I had good chest voice for a few more notes. More precisely I was already in my head voice for middle C as opposed to F/G and that makes a HUGE DIFFERENCE when singing Indian movie songs!!!
Now I am back to finding the full range of my chest voice for the past 4 months since September 2022 thanks to Smule. I started first using the app in 2020 but did not really do much for the first 2 years. Thinking of connecting with Maestro Michael Trimble as my New Year Gift!!!
Thank you so much for your selfless teaching!!!!
This is the Dalberg method as well. Been going down that road for a year now, great great method. The only danger I've found is that if you misunderstand, the tongue goes down the throat with the voice, and you get a depressed larynx style of singing. I was in that trap for a while.
I used to retract the tongue horribly (breathing and otherwise as I used to use it to try and control the larynx)!!!!! In case it helps when I breathe in I put my tongue in position for the word key which is about as tongue forward you can get. It ensures my tongue doesn't disappear with the inhalation. Through Michael's advice about breathing the larynx I've sorted that out too - so much amazing learning here. It doesn't just make sense, it works 😁. Happy, joyous singing..
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Thank you very much, maestro!
It works.
Sir i have listened carefully over and over at the 20 min mark and wonder if you agree with my observations (or have another opinion) It seems to me that 1. the breath stop is the roundest tone; 2.forward breath stop is brassier; 3 inhaling while singing is the softest full sound and 4. letting it slide down is the most chiariscuro. I like 1 and 4 personally but they all sound like you!!
I find that singing high notes with a low larynx is very easy, I can go on the whole day without getting tired
@@Tenoretrimble Thank you very much Maestro, I'm truly delighted reading your reply
I find it especially easy to sing a mezzo forte throughout the range and a few punctual forte notes whenever dictated by the score. I was a little worried if I can be heard, but it seems it's totally fine and hopefully my lean will encourage my singing more and more.
My students are also finding a lot of ease after I introduced many of elements I found in your videos
I'm closely following your videos and a true fan of the tradition of the old Italian school, clear vowels and good lean, thank you!
Thanks so much.
Great.
Dear Maestro, thanks for identifying all these alternatives. Yes it is foremost all about the breath. I have three questions:
1. You mentioned that in the sliding back method there is no need for the staccato against sternum. Even when I try sliding back without the deliberate leaning or keeping diaphragm static, as I slide back (drink the tone back), with the right breathing, this ‘pushing out’ happens anyway as a result. Is that right?
2. You mentioned for Leonard Warren’s way of singing to hold the chest and abs (low and upper) still, and pre-sneeze and then just sing. In this case, I feel the lower back coming out a lot more because I hope my chest and tummy still. My question about this is where is leaning? In my own experimenting, after back moves out with the breath, I tried to resist it from coming in as I sing (but of coz it still comes in slowly) and then I breathe to the lower back again and repeat the same as I sing. As I sing scales and higher I feel like I have to keep something static, and since there is no leaning here (you haven’t yet mentioned perhaps), I tried to keep the entire body static chest, stomach and back as static as i possibly can. It seems to work but I’m not if it’s right because it seems like there is no contrary motion. Coz I breathe out the back (chest and tummy hold still) and when exhaling I’m still holding out the back. Could you elaborate more on Leonard warren’s way?
3. I realise that with some practice I could do these few different ways. Would it be wise at an audition to present 5 arias of contrasting style Verdi, Mozart, Rossini, Handel, Korngold etc and sing each piece in a different way (of course ensuring that one can sing it healthily with the correct breath)
Thank you Maestro! Looking forward to hear from you.
Michael Trimble Thank you Maestro! Regarding rule #4 Lean the breath from the lower back against the diaphragm, I find that a little confusing. Hope you can help to clarify.
1. Singing feels upward and out when I think of the air from lower back up diagonally against the staccato and preset location (solar plexus). If I sing against a specific point in the solar plexus, versus if I Sing against the entire chest, the sound is different. Which is correct?
2. Singing (sighing) feels downward and seems more ‘relaxed’ when I think of preset and then sigh behind the solar plexus. It feels like I’m relaxing the air downwards against a point behind the solar plexus. I believe it also produces a different sound. You seem to suggest that this is also correct, but is it in contradiction to rule 4 where the lower back air should be up against the diaphragm (or chest)?
In general, should we think air in the lower back goes diagonally up against solar plexus or sighing down behind solar plexus?
Thank you!
So I was practicing infront of the candle flame, and trying to relax everything from my above my collarbone, and I've found a new sensation I didn't know before.
It feels like my chest is being pushed out from my pressure of my voice from my lower back, is this similar to the ladder analogy you've spoken about before? Haviing my "voice" located in my chest seemed to of relaxed everything in my throat and head. My voice has never been this projected and controlled before, I'm amazed really.
I want to do lessons with you, where can I contact you? I'm a contemporary musician, will this be applicible to me?
@@Tenoretrimble Ah, well, you deserve a very serene retirement for the very long and prosperous career you've had, Mr Trimble. Thank you for what you've been doing.
I've learned more in a week of putting your teachings into practice than i have in my 2 years of singing alone on others information. I think the candle flame exercise has been the single most important thing to the development of my voice, that and realizing that inhaling into my lower back relaxes my larynx. Anyways, thank you for replying and giving me the time of day, I respect you tremendously.
Wonderful. So no yawning at all? Not even slightly?
@@Tenoretrimble THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING Maestro! Yes! I found this video so incredibly helpful and powerful. That's exactly what I have been doing. Lots and lots of gratitude