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Slender Man very well may have been "invented" by the internet, but he's been a part of our subconscious forever! Like cultures across the globe, the internet has developed its own stories and characters. Generated by the collective web, Slender Man is our nightmares manifested in digital form. Why do we create these scary tales, indulging in worlds are beyond reality? What is the role of this folklore, and is Slender Man a part of it? Watch the episode to find out more!
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My favorite folklore is of an old RUclips where everyone happily enjoyed the comment system.
And in much the same way this folklore is just as invented. The comment system had flaws, but we were used to it, this one is just simply different and I personally find it better.
In my opinion, Slender Man is the essence of one of the most controversial topics of our day. Big Brother, the government, and other titles. The always watching, the unstoppable force, the idea that he can do what he wants to you, when he wants. Think about where he spawned. The internet. The last area of pure free expression and opinion where no one can get to you. Until now with this talk of constant monitoring, and we all know that over time, the internet will be fully monitored. GPS, IP addresses, Everything electronic being tracked. Slender Man is that fear. His tall, overpowering, unsettling stature and the suit only personify this. Your thoughts?
that actually makes a lot of sense
Slender Man is impersonification of Capitalism!
David Holden I disagree that he shouldn't be compared, but I do agree that he doesn't have to be. That and Power hungry = Government.
Thomas Crackel That makes sense. In the end, It seems there is a running theme, but each person sees Slender Man in their own way in that theme. Which is why he makes such a great monster.
Perhaps slenderman represents technology itself. This vast, powerful, ambiguous thing that seems to surround us more and more.
I work with children and I asked a group of 10 year olds what they wanted to make movie about. We explored a couple of their ideas, Unanimously they decided on Slenderman. "The hero goes into the forest, slenderman kills him, takes his insides out with a knife. Then that makes him stronger."
Gotta love kids. We're starting the shoot next week.
Sounds like a crappypasta I read once. :P
Nice attempt at trolling, good sir.
Dunam No trolling was intended, I was being facetious. But most people take facetiousness and trolling as interchangeable.
Iceman8kay I don't think he was talking to you.
hellsbloodyrose Well if it wasn't, then my apologies, but my point still stands. I was being facetious.
So you're with your honey, and the phone rings. The voice says "What are you doing with my daughter?". You tell your girl and she says: "my dad is dead."
THEN WHO WAS PHONE?!
My favorite internet related bogeymen are:
1. Black eyed children- super scary.
2. Stories about National Park disappearances of people.(usually connected to carnivorous Bigfoot)
3. Disappearing Hitchhiker Ghost- Person gets ride but disappears on way to address given.
4. Thunderbird- giant bird seen in storms( Birds of huge size,similar to vultures)
5. Shadow people- people shaped shadows seen in corner of eyes
And statues. Definitely statues.
Yeah that number 3 on your list I understand because in Jamestown, NC theres a bridge that supposedly has a girl named Lydia that only appears to men on foggy nights after it rains; the story goes she died on her way home from the prom in a car crash I think and never made it home? And of course she only appears to men driving solo or that are single? Variations of this story are abound, but I think these fit this particular scenario. Crazy stuff.
SuggahBear That is the story I heard, as well as some urban legend variations, such as told by a friend of a friend.
That Wilhelm's Scream though.
poor wilhelm, he will be missed!
Herobrine from Minecraft is a good example of this. Made up by a fan, the story was passed around and added to by other fans until the point where Mojang (the creators of minecraft) officially recognize him by "removing" him from the game in the patch notes of nearly every update.
Look up a Creepypasta by the title of "The Russian Sleep Experiment" - it's by far my favorite.
AH! YEAH! *shivers*
The flying Spaghetti monster is a creepy pasta- the literal kind.
Ramen, Ramen!
The problem with Slenderman is that he's been giving a definitive mythos. He was creepier when he was more mysterious.
What mythos?
The Mythago Wood series is a pretty awesome description / use of thought forms. I highly recommend it to all fantasy book lovers interested in exploring that concept further.
Marble Hornets is the best one. It introduced Masky and Hoodie to the horror plane. I love Hoodie!
Whaleping Davis that, and unlike a *most* of slenderman stuff on the internet, Marble Hornets was actually scary.
Yeah. Entry 6 was legit spooky.
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Slenderman
The Rake
Any story about mirrors
And Ben drowned.
Scariest the internet has to offer.
Actually the person that created Ben Drowned Admitted that its fake
if you raelly want to get scared- like to the point where you shit your pants, read the story "awakemd"
iEz Real
awakend* not emd lol
the rusting star Will do sir :3
^^ enjoy your nightmare fuel!
I use to think slenderman was scary until I actually researched and learned the "facts" about it. The thing is, he/it is just too ridiculous to be frightening. Different people kept adding more and more abilities to him, he went from a spooky figure to something that can supposedly: grow tentacles, teleport, super strength, super speed, mind control children??? The myth just got bigger and bigger until it was stupid. What makes a story scary for me is believability, the "this could be true" factor, and slenderman doesn't have that.
when you phrase it that way its not scary, however I can word the same abilities in a way that appeals to his/its supernatural nature (yes, I see the contradiction).
Slenderman is a man-like slender figure which has a disassociation to reality and its properties. Knowing no concept of weight or distance he may reportedly roam as if no obstacle were posed. With no determinable motive he is reported to observe and pursue his witnesses and was originally known for the charming and taking of curious children.
On the other hand to make it ridiculous I can simply say;
Slenderman is a man-like slender figure with supernatural abilities. His strength and agility un-mached he can move any obstacle and close on any target. With no known motive he is known to follow persons of interest and was orginally known for controlling children.
In terms of visual representation this can be presented as the difference between passing an obstacle and seeing slenderman lift it, or the difference between him gesturing children to follow and them simply making their way to a static figure.
Its all in the expressing of these abilities that he can be scary or ridiculous.
There are a lot of bad interpretations of good folklore. Like Twilight.
Just pick and choose the parts you think fit Slendy the best.
I thought SlenderMan was scary when few people knew about it.... Then that game Slender came, and along with it came crappy spin offs...
Ugh.
That's why thinking about the rake still gets to me.
punishment Code Interesting idea, and maybe Slendy is sometimes unpredictable in the wrong ways, but I think he also has the opposite problem now.
See, the first image I saw of Slenderman was in a hazy forest, and it took me a minute to figure out what I was looking at. But then I saw that, about to ambush a guy who didn't apparently grasp the gravity of the situation, was a vaguely Doc Oc-ish silhouette that blended in with the tree trunks. It wasn't just the tentacles it was standing on: the figure was off-human in a lot of ways.
That being my first exposure, I expected Slenderman to be this nebulous thing that could sneak up on you even during the day.
Then Slendy basically turned into the well-dressed, faceless guy who stands out in the open and is probably just trying to scam you into buying a new camera.
I recently thought I saw a tall, pale faced, terrifying man in my house. Then I realised it was my brother.
WHO WAS PHONE!?
Thumbs up for "Are you afraid of the Dark," clip.
3:25 All that for only seven mana? Dang, that is quite the card.
I like how every time he says believe on this show he adds an X-Files reference
I wouldn't usually say anything that is nonsense, and this isn't, but in my grandfather's old war photo, there was a strange tree that I only noticed last year. Strangely enough, the photo went missing last week when I realized that it didn't look like a tree . . .
Slenderman backstory and game cleverly tap into something that's been in our childhood nightmares forever: that "unseen thing chasing you"... you know the dream- where you try to run, but are stuck in sand... you are terrified of what IT is that you simply KNOW is chasing you- yet you never SEE it. You just try to run. and run. and know- forever- that its just "any second now". While it may not be folklore, its definitely ART (per other video)- as it invokes the makers original experience, and translates it into a media form so that other people that view it gets those same feelings invoked in them. == ART.
+Calaban619 The Bogeyman of the Web.
nope never had that dream =D
+Calaban619 (raises hand)
Well, in the Fear Mythos, when good old Slendy is considered a Fear, he's the Fear of the Unknown.
WELL IN THE CHIZU MYTHOS (the first real dipiction of modern slenderman, witch is what the first photo shop image is based on) IS A DEAD KID, AND HE NEVER TAKLS AND IS SCURY AND IS THAT #yhatzeeshouldsue
I swear I am the only one who doesn't find Slender Man to be creepy. -.-
yes you are.
Maybe you are related. ;)
i don't find him creepy but i have see worse on doctor who hehe
Nope. I've never understood why people find him scary/creepy.
LaMereACaniche because he has no face.
But... people LIKE my cross stitching. Are you telling me I've been living a lie?
I actually wrote a research paper on slender man in my folklore class last semester. Although, I think that Slender Man has alot of qualities that can also be qualified as an urban legend. Also, when you were talking about the internets nightmares generating the story of Slender Man I think that Carl Jung's idea of the "collective unconscious" describes this better. The use of motifs are in all folktales like Bluebeard, LRRH, and Hansel and Gretel.
That sounds like an interesting paper!
I did the same kind of presentation for my Myths and Legends class, and I agree, Slenderman is an urban legend, born from the internet. Then right after my presentation, we heard that two 12 year old killed their friend to summon Slenderman in our state. Sad to say, but with a few details changed it could turn into just another creepypasta for no one to believe.
Michelle Graf
Zalgo, arguably the internet's first force of divine malevolence (a horrific demon-god) and apocalyptic legends (the sixth mouth that will sing the song that ends the world). He may be the internet's first deity, just as our ancestors might have believed in deities of the menacing elements before believing in deities that they can ally with. Sooner or latter, there may be a benevolent entity created as a counter the Zalgo.
Love it when newer videos reference old Idea Channel videos and inspire me to come over here and begin a fresh binge watch. Hello, old friend.
"The Statue" and "Smiledog" are 2 of my favorite horror stories of all time.
Ha ha. If our story is too long for the comments. Back in the good ol' days.....
I like SlenderMan, but there another Creepy Monster I knowed and not so many people know him, called Zalgo, and I really like it (not like Slendy, but...).
Is just the "Dark" and Creepy part of the Internet.
You can search him.
It is also a software for the custom letters.
Also made up.
KingFluffs Doesn't make it not entertaining. Most entertaining things are simply, made up.
Didn't say it wasn't entertaining. It just isn't real. Much like the magic blowjob fairy.
KingFluffs This is sad. I thought the magic blowjob fairy was real.
Sadly it's not. I've been trying to conjure it up for years to no avail. Now, the anus goblin, that's VERY real.
Mothman scares me more than anything. Whenever I see an image, I need somebody to hold me... :'[
Chuck Norris vs. Slenderman.... HOLY SHIT MIND BLOWN...chuck wins :D
My favorite Creepy Pastas, in no particular order:
Snow on Mount Silver
BEN
The Rainbow Factory
Cupcakes
Slender Man
:D HIGH FIVE THOSE ARE MINE *slaps his hand* :DDDDD
rainbow factory is a fan fic not a creepy pasta.
tici-toby
jeff the killer
cupcakes
the rake
slender
shut up its creepy pasta
RandomAccessMichael I wouldn't call either of them a creepypasta, personally, but why would you say Cupcakes is one and not Rainbow Factory? They are -both- fanfics and both typically are categorized as grimdark.
***** good point
Lol he showed a bloody Mary instead of bloody Mary xD
Ol' Slendy is the manifestation of fear. The shadow at the edge of your vision. The creeping suspicion that SOMETHING is standing behind you.
He doesn't physically kill you. He drives you insane.
My favorite Creepypasta would have to be Abandoned by Disney. If you haven't read it, you should. That story turns a trip to an abandoned Disney park into a frickin nightmare. Totally one of my favorites.
Thanks I really needed that morph of Jeff and over attached girlfriend... I don't need sleep anyways right!
I didn't think it would be nearly as bad as you made it out to be.
NEVER HAVE I BEEN SO WRONG
IZAwesome444 yeah it basically kept me from sleeping at all for a week
yeah if you explained Slender Man to a non-internet person they would think of it as another folk tale. Just imagine it. It makes me quite proud of the internet that we really have created a classic culture for ourselves much like how past cultures have
"Psychically crowd-sourced": I love it. Now off to find the first appearance of Slenderman.
One of the most interesting episodes you've done so far. The bit about collective subconscious was helpful to one of my novel-writing projects (it involved a monster copy-catting the Slender Man).
Slendy is the silence pass it on
weeping angels creap me the fuck out
Me too
Don't blin-
One of my favorite creepypastas is Pokemon: Black Version. Its about a hacked Pokemon Red for the gameboy. You start off with a Pokemon called Ghost that you can use to KILL other pokemon and even other trainers. At the end of the game, you are an old man in lavender town and there are no people on earth anymore, only the tombstones of the people youve killed using ghost. You have nothing now and can only walk half your normal speed and the music from lavender town plays indefinitely. When you go back home, the images of all the pokemon and people youve killed are shown to you and the lavender town music starts to slow down till by the end of your muder slideshow, its nothing more than demonic rumbling. Then Ghost will battle you. You cant use items, have no pokemon, and cant run. You struggle and struggle, hurting yourself as when Ghost's turn comes, all it says is "..." Then when you are almost dead, Ghost uses curse and kills you. The screen cuts to black and stays black. If you restart the game, your save data is now gone.
Part of the appeal of folklore is the 'After-Thought'. The feeling of "What if that happened to me?" and "What if it is real? Am I safe?". Another aspect is (what I call) the 'Infinite Antagonist'; a 'Bad Guy' that keeps occurring no matter what resolutions are put into practice. Key elements in any folktale.
The Russian Sleep Experiment and Abandoned By Disney are good stories.
I like the glowing red eyes in the tree outside my window. Like I thought glowing red eyes was some cartoon junk but apparently black silhouettes with limbs longer and thinner than my own (I'm a fairly slender... man... butnoreally) can actually have glowing red eyes. Surprisingly cute. Well not super cute since he followed me all the way here from my last apartment which was a little unnerving since I thought he was going to stay there like he lived around there.
Hey um, come to think of it, things like this aren't supposed to happen IRL right? Right? I should probably look this up on some sort of folklore wiki.
Whatever, I don't have the energy to be scared of my cute little cartoon-but-not-actually tree animal. Animal? Animal.
lolwut?
I like that CreepyPasta and Slendy are like new forms of folklore brought to you via the internet and this makes everything more accessible so it is easier to find the originals and credit the people who invented them. You can also expand things with theories and create sequels, this makes finding a true canon difficult though, like people thinking the MH Proxies are CP when they aren't, BEN is a stoner, Jeff being a silly pervert, also Masky is shy for some reason when he seems more aggressive.
Him:*coughing and distortion*
Me: REFRENCE!!!!!
WHO WAS PHONE?
i remember when i was about 5 i saw a man like slender man which was probbabbly just a figgmate of my imagination and a coincidence that he or she looked like slender man but once i saw him i hid behind my couch (it was 6:30 am) and when i looked back he or she was gone
where did this happen?
my house
the human mind is very powerful
hell yeah its powerful it made me think of that when i didnt know it existed which freaks me out
one time when i was about 5 or 6 i imagined that 3 skeletons were chasing me in my house all of a sudden. i ran into my room and threw myself onto the bed with the covers over my head. i imagined them dancing on my drum set right next to my bed, and i could hear the symbols crashing right next to my ears. my mom and dad heard me crying in my room and came inside, telling me there was nothing there. as soon as the door opened the symbol sound stopped and when my dad told me there was nothing there i took the sheets off my head. I have no idea how or why that happened to me, but it did somehow. i am scarred
It's funny that you mention the Ice Cream Man from Legion, because the same man who played that character is also playing as Slender Man/The Operator in the Marble Hornets Movie. :>
Jeff the Killer is one of the scariest creepy-pastas I've ever read. It says he is out there, sneaking into peoples houses and tells them to go to sleep when they die makes this pasta a favorite of mine.
I do not believe, I only fear
Slender man dark/ghost type lvl 50
You do realize that was magic not pokemon right?
Ok
I'm just sitting in my chair, and the puppy beneath my chair keeps on barking at nothing while I try to watch the video. I think my life is scary enough.
The picture at 4:00 immediately reminded me of the child who dug up body parts. That book was great. I would recommend parents to buy it and read to it to their young kids in stormy weather or whenever they stay up late,
Does the Wilhelm Scream count as lore?
Michael Stevens called, he wants his body language back.
The things you're mentioning about Slenderman also apply really well to Herobrine from Minecraft. He has no known motive or backstory, and his abilities are also unknown. In my eyes, Herobrine is a much better example of "internet folklore" than Slenderman because Slenderman was popularized by that one game, whereas Minecraft fans really have nothing to base their scary Herobrine stories off of. This means that the storyteller has to supply the horror, instead of the character already having it.
"Slenderman was popularized by that one game" But Herobrine only exists in Minecraft...
TheAZO dude he shows up on singelplayer SINGLEPLAYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dude he isnt real REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
is the slender real made up of animations on photoshop or fucking animating stuff STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TheAZO What he means is Slenderman only got REALLY popular from "The Eight Pages" game, whereas Herobine came from this one completely innocent game
Lmao at ''Who is phone?'' I don't know why I found that so funny. xD
I think that fan fiction is probably the total embodiment of the continual movement of folklore. It is a simple base plot that can be fitted to different "cultures" characteristics. It is ever changing and ever built into the context of the story.
Chuck Norris' tears cure cancer but be never cries
Chuck Norris and super man had a arm wrestling contest the loser had to wear their underwear on the outside of their pants forever
Official slenderman here, not one of those fake account things. neither a fan human
Nice try. -_-
Slender Man Ⓧ Your new suit must be horrible. Everyone screams when they see it.
You're seriously mad? Jeez, I think I've lost hope in humanity.
Fantasy Fangs But that account isnt human :p
why not ban him hes a pointless person making arguments about my channel anyway. plus his channel is nothing.*****
I'm firmly convinced that Slenderman is The Tall Man from the Chzo Mythos games by Ben Krenshaw. His games were made starting in 2003, and the first Slender reference was 2009.
AND THEN A SKELETON POPPED OUT!
8:26 oh no! Slender man got wilhelm!!!
1999 is an Excellent Creepypasta. It doesn't have anything supernatural in it, but it does have a monster. It's...it's pretty good.
***** Is it scary or creepy?
Kind of both? It's scary in the way that you fully realize this shit could happen in real life, but creepy in it's over all feel. Go check it out.
Nope, I don't read or listen to scary shit that could possibly happen.
I don't want to give anything away but I doubt it would be something that could happen to you if you're a grown person with common sense.
But I want born in 1999.... :C
Jesus Christ ,my electricity went out at 3:30 and had to walk down the stairs in the dark to turn it back on while using a faulty flashlight. (plus i was shitting my self since i was watching a video to do with Slendy ,if you did not figure that out :P)
The "SPOOPY" caught me off guard XD
My friend and I made up Slenderhobo. :D
OH NO!!!! NOT THE SLENDERHOBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DEAR GOD NOT THE SLENDERHOBO!!!!!
SLENDERHOBO!!!! NOOOOO!!!!!!! OH YHE HUMANITY!!!!!!!! THERE ARE SO MANY TENTACLES!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE Marble Hornets. LOVE IT.
Hello my friend :)
I'm here letting you know that Troy a.k.a the actor of Jay was making MH comic and the first one is already released :)
Willhelm scream... most famous scream ever
Horror stories must hook into our innate evolutionary drive to simulate obstacles to attempt to get past them. The reason we dream about getting chased by tigers (to prepare us for a chase in the future) may be the same as why we love stories about a mythical danger, and why we so easily place it in a 'dream like' world.
eyeless jack!
wilhem scream win it all.
the Wedigo is my personal favourite folklore, it's not an internet one (it dates back thousands of years) but I find it's becoming more popular again because of the internet
He does realize that creature from Dr. Who is based on Slendy, right?
I like the legend of the wendigo and anthropophagi. Both are cannibalistic monsters. They are interesting because shakespear has mentioned these creatures before in his plays, and also in other literature. And the origin of them is more plausible and it seems that it COULD be true.
slender man may kill but he does it in style!!! :)
Also, thank you again Idea Channel for introducing me to something I should have known about and followed ages ago. First "Welcome to Nightvale" (which I now am addicted to), and now the daunting task of catching up on the Slender Man stories and myths. :D
Slender Man is right up there with Chuck Norris jokes, AYBABTU, and Awesome Face as one of the most regretful things Something Awful has come up with.
Slenderman = Darkrai?
LAVENDER TOWN IS DAH BEST!!!!
Maybe slender was what that white hand was in Lavender Town but Red never turned around.
MIND IS NOW OFFICIALLY BLOWN.
You may find it on the moon.
I love this show. I honestly wait every week for the next episode because you make me think about things more than I normally would. You guys do an amazing job on every episode.
Also, there was a TARDIS costume in my town, so that was awesome.
Silence will fall when the question is asked.
slender man is is a hype fueled by hype which was fueled by hype. a closed circle. he's so vague that he can be connected with almost everything. kinda like today's "memes" (not to be confused with cultural memes) which are fueled by other "memes" only... funny for about 5 seconds.
Slender Man is literally a meme.
well, since literally now also means figuratively... whatever... hehe
I meant literally literally. As in, the very definition of a meme. I don't mean one of those jpgs-with-words-on-them that everyone calls a "meme." Those are just one kind of meme.
hehe... yeah i got it the first time :-) you're right of course, but what i meant is that besides being a meme, there is really nothing more about it. like: it's a meme because it's a meme. kinda like being famous for being famous.
I'm sick of wilhelm scream
+Andy Skib i mentally heard a CS "ding" when i heard it
how dare you that scream is what the memes started as so you shall be banished to hell!!
I think it is because of Slenderman that The Silence in Doctor Who freaks me out so much. EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE
I think I had the opposite effect. XD
That scream at the end was awesome
wheres Jeff? cant have slendy without Jeff :(
we all have that feeling brother
The two are not related in any way.
Jeff the killer...........................................banana
My favorite creepypasta is russian spoof creepypasta, example: "Russian man is at work alone. Copy machine begins making copies. Man did not make copies. He goes to look. Copies show him dead at desk. He curses bad capitalist machines. Shoots copier, and begins making all copies by hand."
Seriously can't get enough of these.
Strangely enough, Doug Jones, who played the ice cream truck driver from Legion, will be playing Slender Man in the upcoming film, The Operator.
bbbbbbuuuuttttt whhhyyyy THE FUCK SLENDERMAN IS MENTIONED IN MY HISTORY LESSON BOOK WHY TELL ME WHY??????????????
Slender man reminds me of the rake
Look it up its a crypted and it's scary to who see it
Jeff Burnett I've seen the rake. It's real.
aCynicalPie No it isn't
Wow -.-
Jeff Burnett Almost all creepypastas are fake.
Joseph Stassup almost? *is scared*
Here's another idea: soon we'll find so many google results that are 5 years old and not relevant anymore that we'll have the hardest time to tell the recent and relevant ones from those.
(Love your show btw)
I can't pause any Idea Channel video without Mike's face looking goofy! It's impossible!
THAT"S WHERE I KNOW YOU FROM!! I've been watching this channel from the beginning and you looked so familiar, but I couldn't find out from where.
My favorite scary story is a pretty decent meshing of internet mythos meets horror literature. The book "House of Leaves" by Mark Z. Danielewski began as what I can only describe as an interactive internet experience that slowly reveals the horror of a single house that defies the laws of physics and logic, while simultaneously depicting the downward slide into insanity by the "original author" along with the narrator.
My favorite one is the child who lost wifi
I was about to go to sleep! Now I'm going to have nightmares, thanks a lot!
Oh, in this book called The long walk (about people who escaped from a concentration camp in WWII) the main character, who is real, saw 2 tall dark life-forms when he was escaping with friends :O
But they were more like Yetis.
Alicia Murphy
Oh, ok, I haven't read the book in a long time, so that make sense. :)
This guy is going out of his way to tell you that these occurrences aren't real. In my opinion, there is a certain amount of evidence that suggests that at least a portion of them are real and can't necessarily be explained by the modern skeptical branch of society. Such as Slavomir Rawics' experiences in the Himalayas after his escape from, not a concentration camp, but a Soviet gulag in Siberia. Have you ever noticed that some of the explanations provided by skeptics and the like often sound just as far fetched, if not more so, than the idea of a yeti or say, aliens? I'm not saying that every bogey and ghoul is real, but, there is evidence to suggest that perhaps there is a spiritual realm of aberrations that exist beyond our typical sense of reality, and that it's not necessarily crazy to believe that they may be something there that we cannot explain. Tulpas can be very real to the minds that conjure them.
"Link in the Doobleydoo" Ahhhh! Matt Coville is that you?