Thanks everyone for checking out the video. Festool's Centrotec system is very interesting and I wish it could be adopted by others to help spread and develop more accessories for it. If you like this content, have questions about Festool Centrotec or anything else, drop a comment below and as always I will see you all in the next one!
I just ordered my first Centrotec tool . I got the CXS 18. I have heard it is not as good as a keyless chuck in terms of runout. Based on how it works if should be much better than 1/4 hex.
That is awesome, I really want to look into the new CXS 12. Yes I think I would agree, Centrotec isn't has precise as a good keyless chuck but it is better than the typical 1/4" option. I believe it is trying to deliver the best of both worlds. Thanks for watching and commenting. Let us know how you like the CXS 18 as you use it. 👍🏻
You are correct. It came with one BH60 CE Magnetic Centrotec Bit Holder. Long name for essentially a 1/4” Centrotec Bit Holder. I have definitely used it on occasion, but the runout is definitely more noticeable so if you need to be really precise you would probably not use it. 👍🏻
Is there a part number of description of that blue sustainer set? Or is it just a sustainer into which you placed a bunch of your own bits? Wondering if it’s a massive set available as a whole.
Great question. That particular kit is model number 576932. It comes with all of the bits and drill bits that are shown in the video. Hope that helps and thanks for watching. 👍🏻
I have seen awesome all-inclusive cabinet maker sets, but for many of festools accessory packs, they don't sell them in north america, they prefer to sell everything individually, I guess they think we will pay more for the a-la-cart. Personally I love assembled sets so it is disappointing. There is a video from "workshop dojo" on this set.
No disrespect to festool or the centrotec system (I love my festool tracksaw and will be ordering a ct midi this week), but I strongly believe the wobble (not to be confused with runout) of traditional 1/4" hex bit holders is vastly overstaed. Basically it's not a real-world problem. Mainly for two reasons: 1. you never run the tool up to full speed before drilling holes or driving screws, and 2. you don't run the tool before the tip of the drill bit or screw to be driven is touching the workpiece. In either case, there's no wobble once the drill bit or screw makes contact with the workpiece. For the longest time earlier on in my woodworking days I used just a drill with a traditional jacobs-style chuck. Then I got into the pocket driver kinds of drivers and haven't looked back. In real-world use, there's no difference. Like I said, I'm a pretty big festool fan, but I'm just not sold on the centrotec system. Especially since it takes the proprietary centrotec bits, which are obviously more expensive. I don't like being locked into a single brand for consumables, and I hate anything proprietary. These days, my primary assembly driver is the M12 installation driver; I have zero complaints with using it with hex bits, and it hasn't failed me nor have I once thought "gee, I wish there was less wobble in the bit holder".
I think you make a solid case and some fine points. I personally think there is a bit of difference between centrotec and the typical 1/4" quick release style found everywhere in terms of precision, but I don't think it is enough to justify the cost of proprietary bits etc. I like the system and wish it would have been adopted as more of a standard like the 1/4" is because I believe it is better but seeing as how that isn't the case I wouldn't recommend that everyone should buy into it. That M12 installation driver is really solid, I liked the power it had and it seemed to check off most points pretty well. Thanks for watching and commenting. 👍🏻
@@garnerreviews No doubt, if more manufacturers would make centrotec accessories like you said, the system would be much more enticing. I was actually contemplating the cxs as my primary assembly driver for quite a while before deciding on the M12. These 12v drivers are my favorite tools and my most used. But the proprietary centrotec bits, lack of any other tools in the 12v lineup and the fact that tool hasn't been updated in years are what me ultimately decide against it.
Here is the real world scenario. Festool is not most peoples first purchase especially with drills. So, they have accumulated many bits. The one question every festool video fails to answer is, will my old hex bits fit in the centrotec chuck. If the answer is yes, you sell more drills. If no, then not interested, so now I have to buy all new bits at three times the usual price? Selling the reason centrotec is better is besides the point if you want to sell more drills. Surely, with all of festools boasting about their precision, they can make a chuck that fits the hex bits of the world considering cetrotec only adds and extra 1/4 to the shank length, without all the overstated runout of the standard hex bit.
Thanks for commenting and watching. I think you have good, fair questions and points. It actually has me thinking that I would like to make a second video to address some of your questions and to share my thoughts on what you brought up. 👍🏻 I will try to get one posted soon.
@@maxwellgriffith I just got a TXS 18 and you are right. They provide the two adapters that cancel eachother out for your standard hex bits. your suggestion gives the shortest profile which would definitely come in handy in some situations (although centrotec bits will NOT stay directly in the chuck interface without falling right out, no indent). Using the adapters does give more visual aid and extension as may be needed in situations. But the options are there. I did not find runout to be that much more impressive with centrotec. I guess I was expecting rock solid bit support, but no.
@@debandmike3380 I saved myself the trouble and also have a 1/4” hex locking bit holder with the locking feature (the one with the small green collar). Buy yes although the runout doesn’t seem worlds better I like the adapters and chuck options quite a lot. I’ve so my had my c18 for a few weeks but the 90 degree chucks and the Jacobs Chuck have already come in handy
Proprietary bits strap you into one brand and nobody needs that. The argument about precision is bogus. Plenty of people use a variety of tools to create great work and it isn’t always associated with Festool for Pete’s sakes. I own Festool but I don’t bow down to them.
One of the most stupid ideas to have own system and not producing all varieties of bits Or do 3 countersink bits for it even if you only gonna use 1 smallest 3. 5mm With screw being 3.5 this is just dumb
Festool has a some bits for it but I understand where you are coming from. Centrotec isn't for everyone and thankfully Festool doesn't make you use it. I find it handy for a lot of jobs where I am switching between drilling and driving. 👍🏻 Thanks for watching and commenting.
Thanks everyone for checking out the video. Festool's Centrotec system is very interesting and I wish it could be adopted by others to help spread and develop more accessories for it. If you like this content, have questions about Festool Centrotec or anything else, drop a comment below and as always I will see you all in the next one!
I just ordered my first Centrotec tool . I got the CXS 18. I have heard it is not as good as a keyless chuck in terms of runout. Based on how it works if should be much better than 1/4 hex.
That is awesome, I really want to look into the new CXS 12. Yes I think I would agree, Centrotec isn't has precise as a good keyless chuck but it is better than the typical 1/4" option. I believe it is trying to deliver the best of both worlds. Thanks for watching and commenting. Let us know how you like the CXS 18 as you use it. 👍🏻
If you wanted to use the occasional 1/4 bit, didn't the blue kit come with a BHS adapter (jokingly called Centrotec Rapidaptor)?
You are correct. It came with one BH60 CE Magnetic Centrotec Bit Holder. Long name for essentially a 1/4” Centrotec Bit Holder. I have definitely used it on occasion, but the runout is definitely more noticeable so if you need to be really precise you would probably not use it. 👍🏻
Is there a part number of description of that blue sustainer set? Or is it just a sustainer into which you placed a bunch of your own bits? Wondering if it’s a massive set available as a whole.
Great question. That particular kit is model number 576932. It comes with all of the bits and drill bits that are shown in the video. Hope that helps and thanks for watching. 👍🏻
@@garnerreviews many thanks, it helps quite a bit
I have seen awesome all-inclusive cabinet maker sets, but for many of festools accessory packs, they don't sell them in north america, they prefer to sell everything individually, I guess they think we will pay more for the a-la-cart. Personally I love assembled sets so it is disappointing. There is a video from "workshop dojo" on this set.
No disrespect to festool or the centrotec system (I love my festool tracksaw and will be ordering a ct midi this week), but I strongly believe the wobble (not to be confused with runout) of traditional 1/4" hex bit holders is vastly overstaed. Basically it's not a real-world problem. Mainly for two reasons: 1. you never run the tool up to full speed before drilling holes or driving screws, and 2. you don't run the tool before the tip of the drill bit or screw to be driven is touching the workpiece. In either case, there's no wobble once the drill bit or screw makes contact with the workpiece. For the longest time earlier on in my woodworking days I used just a drill with a traditional jacobs-style chuck. Then I got into the pocket driver kinds of drivers and haven't looked back. In real-world use, there's no difference.
Like I said, I'm a pretty big festool fan, but I'm just not sold on the centrotec system. Especially since it takes the proprietary centrotec bits, which are obviously more expensive. I don't like being locked into a single brand for consumables, and I hate anything proprietary. These days, my primary assembly driver is the M12 installation driver; I have zero complaints with using it with hex bits, and it hasn't failed me nor have I once thought "gee, I wish there was less wobble in the bit holder".
I think you make a solid case and some fine points. I personally think there is a bit of difference between centrotec and the typical 1/4" quick release style found everywhere in terms of precision, but I don't think it is enough to justify the cost of proprietary bits etc. I like the system and wish it would have been adopted as more of a standard like the 1/4" is because I believe it is better but seeing as how that isn't the case I wouldn't recommend that everyone should buy into it.
That M12 installation driver is really solid, I liked the power it had and it seemed to check off most points pretty well. Thanks for watching and commenting. 👍🏻
@@garnerreviews No doubt, if more manufacturers would make centrotec accessories like you said, the system would be much more enticing. I was actually contemplating the cxs as my primary assembly driver for quite a while before deciding on the M12. These 12v drivers are my favorite tools and my most used. But the proprietary centrotec bits, lack of any other tools in the 12v lineup and the fact that tool hasn't been updated in years are what me ultimately decide against it.
I just use it so other trades know i make more money than them 😂
@@dudbolt9707 That is brutal. 😂👍🏻
Here is the real world scenario. Festool is not most peoples first purchase especially with drills. So, they have accumulated many bits. The one question every festool video fails to answer is, will my old hex bits fit in the centrotec chuck. If the answer is yes, you sell more drills. If no, then not interested, so now I have to buy all new bits at three times the usual price? Selling the reason centrotec is better is besides the point if you want to sell more drills. Surely, with all of festools boasting about their precision, they can make a chuck that fits the hex bits of the world considering cetrotec only adds and extra 1/4 to the shank length, without all the overstated runout of the standard hex bit.
Thanks for commenting and watching. I think you have good, fair questions and points. It actually has me thinking that I would like to make a second video to address some of your questions and to share my thoughts on what you brought up. 👍🏻 I will try to get one posted soon.
All you have to do is take the centrotec chuck off and place the 1/4” hex bit directly into the 1/4 shank that sits behind the chuck
@@maxwellgriffith I just got a TXS 18 and you are right. They provide the two adapters that cancel eachother out for your standard hex bits. your suggestion gives the shortest profile which would definitely come in handy in some situations (although centrotec bits will NOT stay directly in the chuck interface without falling right out, no indent). Using the adapters does give more visual aid and extension as may be needed in situations. But the options are there. I did not find runout to be that much more impressive with centrotec. I guess I was expecting rock solid bit support, but no.
@@debandmike3380 I saved myself the trouble and also have a 1/4” hex locking bit holder with the locking feature (the one with the small green collar). Buy yes although the runout doesn’t seem worlds better I like the adapters and chuck options quite a lot. I’ve so my had my c18 for a few weeks but the 90 degree chucks and the Jacobs Chuck have already come in handy
Proprietary bits strap you into one brand and nobody needs that. The argument about precision is bogus. Plenty of people use a variety of tools to create great work and it isn’t always associated with Festool for Pete’s sakes. I own Festool but I don’t bow down to them.
One of the most stupid ideas to have own system and not producing all varieties of bits
Or do 3 countersink bits for it even if you only gonna use 1 smallest 3. 5mm
With screw being 3.5 this is just dumb
Festool has a some bits for it but I understand where you are coming from. Centrotec isn't for everyone and thankfully Festool doesn't make you use it. I find it handy for a lot of jobs where I am switching between drilling and driving. 👍🏻 Thanks for watching and commenting.