Good morning 🌅, very good topic, they not looking after their loyal customers, they are loosing their loyal customers, and their has been dealerships closing, especially in the UK, . And they have lost their soul., Too many electronics, And they no longer sound like a Harley, Asked to point I was in a town about two weeks ago a brand-new Harley Davidson came past I had to look twice to see whether it was a Harley, as I did not recognise the sound, I’ve got nothing against Japanese bikes but that’s what it sound like,
Why would anyone buy a new Harley for their first bike? Why not buy a used one for 1/4 of the price? I’ve had five Harleys in the 15 years I’ve been riding and never bought a bike with over 15k miles and never spent over $5k. If I had $30,000 I would buy and build up at least three bikes.
Yep, that's the ticket... I went into a dealer once about twenty-five years ago; bought a couple closed head rivets for my Evo Ultra... have never spent over $10K for a bike, and quite a bit less for my current TC Heritage... I'm happy that folks buy new ones, but there are plenty of "broken-in" ones out there...
Harley is done. They'll be a boutique brand in the future, since they can't get their heads out of their arses. I have a 17 Ultra Classic with over 40K on it. I wouldn't get much for it so I'll keep it for the time being. I've ridden a lot of different bikes since I got the FLHTCU, (including the Pan America for a year and a half) so it doesn't see much riding these days. I wouldn't mind an Indian or Kawasaki dresser. Time will tell but I have ZERO plans to buy another new bike from Harley until they get rid of Zeitzenburger or get sold to a respectable company/individual.
I am part of a very large motorcycle social group in Texas. Harley, R.I.P. it's over with in my group. Ages range from 25 to 50 with most being in their late 20's to early 30's. All have moved over to Adventure bikes and have discovered a whole new world. On road / offroad is hot and Harley is not.
My local Indian dealer had a record bike sales month in August, 30% were to former Harley owners ( most Indian dealers sell Harley trade-ins to Harley dealers, but most Harley dealers are so stuffed they will not even give them numbers) other Indian dealers in the state are reporting similar numbers. A lot of reports from around the country are Harley dealers are stuffed with 2024's as well as several 2023's, as you Harley sales are manufacturer to dealer. I am not sure how much sympathy there is for dealers who regularly put customers so deep underwater on their financing. I think the 3rd quarter report will be telling and the 4th quarter report will be interesting also.
The funny part is Polaris actually did the same thing as Harley the news story wasn't picked up 😂 imagine going from one brand to another because you don't believe their policies but that brand actually has the same exact policies😂 and Indian has major quality issues they're actually telling you to leave it on the charger because it drains the battery in 2 days🎉
@@JacobsNews My Indian with 18,000 miles has no major issues and no one has ever told me that. Indian also doesn't have a German CEO that wants the company to "change customer behaviors". No one cares if you don't like Indian, just don't spread unsubstantiated B.S. about them. I wonder how long before Harley builds all their bikes in Thailand ?
@kevingonyea you can just look up that Polaris changed its policies because of Harley-Davidson !!!I don't have to make anything up!!! and you can look up countless videos on RUclips. People just bought the brand new Indian and it has problems !! Indian told them just to leave it on the charger
I'm still trying to wrap my head around ths one and what to think about it. I do question the importation of American bikes made elsewhere, but Harley did that before with Aermacchi in the '60s & '70s. American buyers voted with their wallets and that ended. Another concern expressed is pushing smaller independent dealers out, favoring bigger and bigger regional mega dealers. I like smaller shops too, but the big ones are ok if they aren't to far away. I read something about HQ issuing something DEI related down to dealers, but still haven't seen what it actually said. I get Government forced (mandated) DEI leadership training too. If it's anything like that, it's just the same EEO type training we've been getting already forever. The new DEI I was just forced to take added absolutly nothing over the annual EEO stuff I'm already mandated to take. The Motor Company cutting out the entry level bikes seems like the biggest mistake to me. But, again, I'm fairly certain the market will react to teach them a lesson. Sure, I'm still boycotting the NFL (BS kneeling crap) and Target (for starting the whole men in womens bathroom debacle, why not just stay out of that?), but I'm not seeing anything here with HD to get me that excited yet. Could that change? Yes, absolutely, if and when more information comes out that I'm missing. Are snarky comments from keyboard warriors online calling me names without offering up any reasons/compelling explanations? No, those usually just end up embarrasing them, not me. But my eyes and ears are wide open if I'm missing something!
No they did way worse than that they were actually giving money to that program that lets children castrate themselves🎉 they actually brought trans into Harley-Davidson to try to teach Dei🎉😂 and they're only supposed to be moving production there for a year because they have to retrofit the American shops🎉 which is still a terrible idea that's what crushed Chevy years ago🎉 a lot of bad decisions happening all at the same time and the only people that will lose out are going to be the American workers🎉 look at Bud Light Anheuser-Busch made more than ever last year and now they can move their production to another country and make more money forever🎉 the only people that lost out were American jobs
My 2019 Harley Roadster is Pre Woke. I am not selling it. I am not planning on buying a new Harley. I am looking at Triumph bikes. I am not thrilled about Harley being Woke. Personally if a CEO hurts sales by a bad decision they should face the consequences. Harley is a very expensive luxury toy. There are other brands that cost less and the dealerships are not trying to squeeze every single cent out of their customers with over priced service and repairs. HD should be swimming in cash. Their merchandise sales alone should be able to give many countries GDP a run for their money. So. Why is HD constantly complaining they are broke while raising prices to kill any entry level riders? This German CEO is a mess.
Harley has been running broke for decades. Their client base is literally dieing off. Harley isn't luxury just because somebody who makes money selling them said so. They are overpriced crap bought by crybabies. If you want Harley to survive, stop being dicks to other riders on the road. The brand needs to be inclusive to get new customers. Harley has to change the attitudes of the current client base. Who the F wants to be stranded at the side of the road with those people. Go Japanese, no crybabies or boycott. Just reasonably priced, quality products.
In the UK we have another problem adding to the mix- Insurance premiums have doubled in last 2 years (also car insurance). So yea, it's a rich man's game for sure.
I went to a Harley dealer and they were willing to sell me a new 2024 Street Bob $17,000 out the door, even though I was there for an older used 2011 to 2017 model.
This is why I never bought new bikes I didn't want to be under something I couldn't get out of. I will never give the company any money unless there is drastic change.
@@cruisinwithphil Stop by, and I’ll take you for a ride through this area. We really live south of Huntingdon, off Route 26; just outside of Saxton PA (but hardly anyone knows where Saxton is). 😂👍 We are very close to the lake, in Log A Frame Cabin. If you’re looking for a REALLY Good Road. Route 26 South out of Everrett PA, till it hits Interstate 68 above Berkeley Springs is amazing. We call that the “Mini” Tail Of The Dragon. 😀👍💯 Take me up on my offer. I’ll take you down through there, and take you to a bar where dollar bills adorn the ceiling, and the food is great. 💯
@@genekelley7579 A couple friends and I were up that way on a ride this summer. I wasn't leading, so not sure where all we went, but I think we took 35 down to 522, then 994 to 26. Stopped at Backwoods Smoke Shack for lunch, then down 26 to 913 I think, then to 655? Not sure, but it's close to that.
Hello Phil I always enjoy your videos. I know you have road a lot of bikes. On a forgotten video I watched, the producer said that one or more of the Indian bikes have somewhat more leg room. Any ideas anyone about a possible extra leg room? I am 6'04 without boots.
Are you looking at touring bikes? The Indian bikes do have a longer wheelbase, I can say from experience that the touring bikes have a longer distance from the seat to the bars as compared to Harley. But being 6'4" you may want to look at getting an extended reach seat that gives you even more leg room. I'm not convinced the longer wheelbase on the Indian will be enough to be comfortable.
Bikes aren't puma shoes. There's so much money in service, mods, and upgrades. Besides if you want to make a bike a luxury item, you need to match it with substance. Harley is still putting halogen bulbs on $20k and above bikes. Luxury my ass. Cheaper bikes have more tech and amenities than Harley.
We got played by an internet personality. He trolled us into thinking HD has made a sharp left turn and gone bad. The truth is, HD is like most big American companies and flirts with the latest craze from human resources dept. Woke, DEI, etc. is just the latest fad. It will fade soon enough and face it, why should we customers and potential customers care? IMO, we should not. Reject the cancel culture and savor the value of Harley motorcycles.
These aren't just the average corporate types doing their diligence to please BlackRock. These are actual believers supporting groups that favor mutilating children through surgery and hormones; at least the ones that have survived being slaughtered in the womb.
Harley hired a WEF terrorists as their CEO!
Good morning 🌅, very good topic, they not looking after their loyal customers, they are loosing their loyal customers, and their has been dealerships closing, especially in the UK, . And they have lost their soul., Too many electronics, And they no longer sound like a Harley, Asked to point I was in a town about two weeks ago a brand-new Harley Davidson came past I had to look twice to see whether it was a Harley, as I did not recognise the sound, I’ve got nothing against Japanese bikes but that’s what it sound like,
Why would anyone buy a new Harley for their first bike? Why not buy a used one for 1/4 of the price? I’ve had five Harleys in the 15 years I’ve been riding and never bought a bike with over 15k miles and never spent over $5k. If I had $30,000 I would buy and build up at least three bikes.
Yep, that's the ticket... I went into a dealer once about twenty-five years ago; bought a couple closed head rivets for my Evo Ultra... have never spent over $10K for a bike, and quite a bit less for my current TC Heritage... I'm happy that folks buy new ones, but there are plenty of "broken-in" ones out there...
B'S
@@dcstrng1heck yea
Harley is done. They'll be a boutique brand in the future, since they can't get their heads out of their arses.
I have a 17 Ultra Classic with over 40K on it. I wouldn't get much for it so I'll keep it for the time being. I've ridden a lot of different bikes since I got the FLHTCU, (including the Pan America for a year and a half) so it doesn't see much riding these days.
I wouldn't mind an Indian or Kawasaki dresser. Time will tell but I have ZERO plans to buy another new bike from Harley until they get rid of Zeitzenburger or get sold to a respectable company/individual.
I am part of a very large motorcycle social group in Texas. Harley, R.I.P. it's over with in my group. Ages range from 25 to 50 with most being in their late 20's to early 30's. All have moved over to Adventure bikes and have discovered a whole new world. On road / offroad is hot and Harley is not.
My local Indian dealer had a record bike sales month in August, 30% were to former Harley owners ( most Indian dealers sell Harley trade-ins to Harley dealers, but most Harley dealers are so stuffed they will not even give them numbers) other Indian dealers in the state are reporting similar numbers. A lot of reports from around the country are Harley dealers are stuffed with 2024's as well as several 2023's, as you Harley sales are manufacturer to dealer. I am not sure how much sympathy there is for dealers who regularly put customers so deep underwater on their financing. I think the 3rd quarter report will be telling and the 4th quarter report will be interesting also.
The funny part is Polaris actually did the same thing as Harley the news story wasn't picked up 😂 imagine going from one brand to another because you don't believe their policies but that brand actually has the same exact policies😂 and Indian has major quality issues they're actually telling you to leave it on the charger because it drains the battery in 2 days🎉
@@JacobsNews My Indian with 18,000 miles has no major issues and no one has ever told me that. Indian also doesn't have a German CEO that wants the company to "change customer behaviors". No one cares if you don't like Indian, just don't spread unsubstantiated B.S. about them. I wonder how long before Harley builds all their bikes in Thailand ?
@kevingonyea you can just look up that Polaris changed its policies because of Harley-Davidson !!!I don't have to make anything up!!! and you can look up countless videos on RUclips. People just bought the brand new Indian and it has problems !! Indian told them just to leave it on the charger
I'm still trying to wrap my head around ths one and what to think about it. I do question the importation of American bikes made elsewhere, but Harley did that before with Aermacchi in the '60s & '70s. American buyers voted with their wallets and that ended. Another concern expressed is pushing smaller independent dealers out, favoring bigger and bigger regional mega dealers. I like smaller shops too, but the big ones are ok if they aren't to far away. I read something about HQ issuing something DEI related down to dealers, but still haven't seen what it actually said. I get Government forced (mandated) DEI leadership training too. If it's anything like that, it's just the same EEO type training we've been getting already forever. The new DEI I was just forced to take added absolutly nothing over the annual EEO stuff I'm already mandated to take. The Motor Company cutting out the entry level bikes seems like the biggest mistake to me. But, again, I'm fairly certain the market will react to teach them a lesson. Sure, I'm still boycotting the NFL (BS kneeling crap) and Target (for starting the whole men in womens bathroom debacle, why not just stay out of that?), but I'm not seeing anything here with HD to get me that excited yet. Could that change? Yes, absolutely, if and when more information comes out that I'm missing. Are snarky comments from keyboard warriors online calling me names without offering up any reasons/compelling explanations? No, those usually just end up embarrasing them, not me. But my eyes and ears are wide open if I'm missing something!
No they did way worse than that they were actually giving money to that program that lets children castrate themselves🎉 they actually brought trans into Harley-Davidson to try to teach Dei🎉😂 and they're only supposed to be moving production there for a year because they have to retrofit the American shops🎉 which is still a terrible idea that's what crushed Chevy years ago🎉 a lot of bad decisions happening all at the same time and the only people that will lose out are going to be the American workers🎉 look at Bud Light Anheuser-Busch made more than ever last year and now they can move their production to another country and make more money forever🎉 the only people that lost out were American jobs
5:45 isn’t HD already a luxury brand?
My 2019 Harley Roadster is Pre Woke. I am not selling it. I am not planning on buying a new Harley. I am looking at Triumph bikes. I am not thrilled about Harley being Woke. Personally if a CEO hurts sales by a bad decision they should face the consequences. Harley is a very expensive luxury toy. There are other brands that cost less and the dealerships are not trying to squeeze every single cent out of their customers with over priced service and repairs. HD should be swimming in cash. Their merchandise sales alone should be able to give many countries GDP a run for their money. So. Why is HD constantly complaining they are broke while raising prices to kill any entry level riders? This German CEO is a mess.
Harley has been running broke for decades. Their client base is literally dieing off. Harley isn't luxury just because somebody who makes money selling them said so. They are overpriced crap bought by crybabies. If you want Harley to survive, stop being dicks to other riders on the road. The brand needs to be inclusive to get new customers. Harley has to change the attitudes of the current client base. Who the F wants to be stranded at the side of the road with those people. Go Japanese, no crybabies or boycott. Just reasonably priced, quality products.
Trading in a 1-2 year old bike is asinine.
Picked up a used Yamaha FJR. I'm 60. Will keep it until unable to physically handle it. Then I will buy a TW200. (Still have my trusty VFR too.)
In the UK we have another problem adding to the mix- Insurance premiums have doubled in last 2 years (also car insurance). So yea, it's a rich man's game for sure.
I went to a Harley dealer and they were willing to sell me a new 2024 Street Bob $17,000 out the door, even though I was there for an older used 2011 to 2017 model.
This is why I never bought new bikes I didn't want to be under something I couldn't get out of. I will never give the company any money unless there is drastic change.
🛑🛑 Where are you located in South/Central PA?
I’m located in Huntingdon PA, by Raystown Lake. 😀👍
@@genekelley7579 I am in York. My wife grew up near Huntingdon, we still go up there once a year or so to get Best Way pizza and Meadows ice cream.
@@cruisinwithphil
Stop by, and I’ll take you for a ride through this area. We really live south of Huntingdon, off Route 26; just outside of Saxton PA (but hardly anyone knows where Saxton is). 😂👍
We are very close to the lake, in Log A Frame Cabin.
If you’re looking for a REALLY Good Road. Route 26 South out of Everrett PA, till it hits Interstate 68 above Berkeley Springs is amazing.
We call that the “Mini” Tail Of The Dragon. 😀👍💯
Take me up on my offer. I’ll take you down through there, and take you to a bar where dollar bills adorn the ceiling, and the food is great. 💯
@@genekelley7579 A couple friends and I were up that way on a ride this summer. I wasn't leading, so not sure where all we went, but I think we took 35 down to 522, then 994 to 26. Stopped at Backwoods Smoke Shack for lunch, then down 26 to 913 I think, then to 655? Not sure, but it's close to that.
@@cruisinwithphil
Yep…VERY twisty!!
I love that rode. 😀👍
Hello Phil I always enjoy your videos. I know you have road a lot of bikes. On a forgotten video I watched, the producer said that one or more of the Indian bikes have somewhat more leg room. Any ideas anyone about a possible extra leg room? I am 6'04 without boots.
Are you looking at touring bikes? The Indian bikes do have a longer wheelbase, I can say from experience that the touring bikes have a longer distance from the seat to the bars as compared to Harley. But being 6'4" you may want to look at getting an extended reach seat that gives you even more leg room. I'm not convinced the longer wheelbase on the Indian will be enough to be comfortable.
@@cruisinwithphil Thanks
Bikes aren't puma shoes. There's so much money in service, mods, and upgrades.
Besides if you want to make a bike a luxury item, you need to match it with substance. Harley is still putting halogen bulbs on $20k and above bikes. Luxury my ass. Cheaper bikes have more tech and amenities than Harley.
I didnt realize you were in Pa too! I'm in the Poconos.
@@philblock Nice! I am in York, about half hour south of Harrisburg.
@@cruisinwithphil oh cool. We will be in Dover this coming weekend at campground island.
@@philblock Small world. Greg, the owner of campground island, is a friend of mine. He used to ride a Harley, now rides a Can-Am.
@@cruisinwithphil very cool. Not being the RKS with us this time. It's for my daughter's bday and she wants to see the bunnies 🤣
We got played by an internet personality. He trolled us into thinking HD has made a sharp left turn and gone bad. The truth is, HD is like most big American companies and flirts with the latest craze from human resources dept. Woke, DEI, etc. is just the latest fad. It will fade soon enough and face it, why should we customers and potential customers care? IMO, we should not. Reject the cancel culture and savor the value of Harley motorcycles.
Even without all the crap I wouldn't get a Harley. I want to ride, not wrench.
These aren't just the average corporate types doing their diligence to please BlackRock. These are actual believers supporting groups that favor mutilating children through surgery and hormones; at least the ones that have survived being slaughtered in the womb.
I like my current HD. But I’m keeping it and plan on going Indian here on out. Woke needs to go back to sleep.