I am shoveling my way out of debt - that is interest bearing- so enslaved to the lender. I have not been tithing while digging out, yet I always tithed and gave offerings before. By what you say this is not the right way to handle my issue. Oh my.
The Lord has added so much to me through you Rick. Sure would love to have a face to face discussion with you on the tithing teaching you do. You draw here from personal experience of being financially blessed, HOWEVER, THAT IS NO BASIS FOR DOCTRINE . And from the NON CONTEXTUAL TEACHING in the letter to the Hebrews. First- the context and intention of the context was to show the superiority of Christ over everything, including being the highest and eternal priesthood, superior in every way to the Aaronic, and that covenant. Second- Abraham DID NOT GIVE A REGULAR TENTH to Melchizedek ,, and IT WAS NOT a fruit of his labors, but of a successful battle in war. USING ABRAHAM HONORING MELCHIZEDEK, with some spoils of WAR,, IS NO BASIS FOR PEOPLE GIVING OF THEIR INCOME OR INCREASE! Tithing was HISTORICALLY simply a word for 'tenth', and was HISTORICALLY customary in the ancient territory of that area, to give a local king an honorarium in such a manner. ABRAHAM as far as we know, never gave Melchizedek anything after that, nor was it recorded that he gave again. So this is not a story that was written in Hebrews to teach tithing, that was not the intent nor the context of Hebrews. To use this is to set aside the fundamental TEACHING FROM CONTEXT ! Tithing as it is taught today, was not practiced by the early church to the pastors and apostles. Of all the teaching in the NEW COVENANT SCRIPTURES ON GIVING, tithing was not one of them. Paul exposited on the basis for giving, and some of the manner in which it was done in the early church. He DID NOT SPEAK ONCE ON TITHING, not a mention. JESUS OWN EARTHLY DAD likely never tithed. He was a construction worker, he never would have tithed unless he had a garden... JESUS may not have ever tithed, if so, not likely very much, he was not a farmer. As "the carpenters son" Jesus would not have given the tenth of the produce (which is what THE TITHE REALLY WAS!) unless he happened to have a little garden. Carpenters, laborers, artisans, NOBODY 'TITHED' EXCEPT FROM THEIR GARDEN OR FARM ! So first, -if you are under the old covenant -if you have a garden or a farm -if that farm is in the land of Canaan in the Middle East okay, sure if that's the covenant you really are in, one that was done away with, ok, if so, all three of those clear elements of the REAL TITHE, then you would give that with gladness and faith and honor to God. IMPORTANT OVERVIEW,,, THAT TITHE, was the only one God gave. It was not an eternal principle, as Abraham's war story has been misapplied to imply. It honored God for giving them the land etc, as it was from the land. It was also the major way of taxation in the theocracy of Israel WHEN THEY had a government in that land. Real tithing, not this modern fabrication, was the means of providing the Levites, and the priests ,, who were a:THE JUDICIAL, b: the public servants, c: THE RELIGIOUS TEACHERS, d: the entire public service of GOVERNMENT,, tithing, a mere tenth, covered the entire form of taxation of the whole land. it supported church, and the government, and education,, and even much of the poor (as well as alms to the poor was much a part of helping the poor) It seems very hard for what seem to be sincere people but seems somewhat blinded, to see clearly this , when their income and dreams are supported by this very unscriptural doctrine, that did not come from the Fathers, not the early church, but it is a leaven, that precludes freedom in The Spirit. It precludes and somewhat circumvents being directly and with a free heart, fully engaged to relate to God as His children in heart service to Him and the poor. It is a slave doctrine.
Sorry Rick, you are way off base!!! Your entire message bordered on how angry or disappointed Father God Is with us! Just simply is not true! You and I are immensely Loved by AbbA Father and Jesus is very found of you! I hope and pray you begin to see this - because you are seen by our Loving Father Stephen
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Excellent teaching. Thank you for staying faithful to your calling. We are praying for you.
Thank you Lord for this message to me/us at this time. Jesus is Lord. 🇦🇺
I am shoveling my way out of debt - that is interest bearing- so enslaved to the lender. I have not been tithing while digging out, yet I always tithed and gave offerings before. By what you say this is not the right way to handle my issue. Oh my.
The Lord has added so much to me through you Rick. Sure would love to have a face to face discussion with you on the tithing teaching you do.
You draw here from personal experience of being financially blessed, HOWEVER, THAT IS NO BASIS FOR DOCTRINE .
And from the NON CONTEXTUAL TEACHING in the letter to the Hebrews.
First- the context and intention of the context was to show the superiority of Christ over everything, including being the highest and eternal priesthood, superior in every way to the Aaronic, and that covenant.
Second- Abraham DID NOT GIVE A REGULAR TENTH to Melchizedek ,, and IT WAS NOT a fruit of his labors, but of a successful battle in war.
USING ABRAHAM HONORING MELCHIZEDEK, with some spoils of WAR,, IS NO BASIS FOR PEOPLE GIVING OF THEIR INCOME OR INCREASE!
Tithing was HISTORICALLY simply a word for 'tenth', and was HISTORICALLY customary in the ancient territory of that area, to give a local king an honorarium in such a manner. ABRAHAM as far as we know, never gave Melchizedek anything after that, nor was it recorded that he gave again. So this is not a story that was written in Hebrews to teach tithing, that was not the intent nor the context of Hebrews. To use this is to set aside the fundamental TEACHING FROM CONTEXT !
Tithing as it is taught today, was not practiced by the early church to the pastors and apostles. Of all the teaching in the NEW COVENANT SCRIPTURES ON GIVING, tithing was not one of them. Paul exposited on the basis for giving, and some of the manner in which it was done in the early church. He DID NOT SPEAK ONCE ON TITHING, not a mention.
JESUS OWN EARTHLY DAD likely never tithed. He was a construction worker, he never would have tithed unless he had a garden...
JESUS may not have ever tithed, if so, not likely very much, he was not a farmer. As "the carpenters son" Jesus would not have given the tenth of the produce (which is what THE TITHE REALLY WAS!) unless he happened to have a little garden.
Carpenters, laborers, artisans, NOBODY 'TITHED' EXCEPT FROM THEIR GARDEN OR FARM !
So first,
-if you are under the old covenant
-if you have a garden or a farm
-if that farm is in the land of Canaan in the Middle East
okay, sure if that's the covenant you really are in, one that was done away with, ok, if so, all three of those clear elements of the REAL TITHE, then you would give that with gladness and faith and honor to God.
IMPORTANT OVERVIEW,,, THAT TITHE, was the only one God gave. It was not an eternal principle, as Abraham's war story has been misapplied to imply. It honored God for giving them the land etc, as it was from the land.
It was also the major way of taxation in the theocracy of Israel WHEN THEY had a government in that land.
Real tithing, not this modern fabrication, was the means of providing the Levites, and the priests ,, who were
a:THE JUDICIAL,
b: the public servants,
c: THE RELIGIOUS TEACHERS,
d: the entire public service of GOVERNMENT,,
tithing, a mere tenth, covered the entire form of taxation of the whole land.
it supported church, and the government, and education,, and even much of the poor (as well as alms to the poor was much a part of helping the poor)
It seems very hard for what seem to be sincere people but seems somewhat blinded, to see clearly this , when their income and dreams are supported by this very unscriptural doctrine, that did not come from the Fathers, not the early church, but it is a leaven, that precludes freedom in The Spirit. It precludes and somewhat circumvents being directly and with a free heart, fully engaged to relate to God as His children in heart service to Him and the poor. It is a slave doctrine.
Sorry Rick, you are way off base!!! Your entire message bordered on how angry or disappointed Father God Is with us! Just simply is not true! You and I are immensely Loved by AbbA Father and Jesus is very found of you! I hope and pray you begin to see this - because you are seen by our Loving Father
Stephen