“The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge’?” (Ezekiel 18:2) Building a country with the steroids of chattel slavery and Jim Crow comes with cost. James Baldwin always warned that "a bill is coming due."
What’s the price then? Money? A socialist state? Enslave white people? We keep talking in these apocalyptic terms but I have never seen a vision articulated that would move us past this point. Personally, I don’t think there is one, and the proponents of that kind of thinking know it. They know there’s nothing that can make it “right”. So either they can continue to relive trauma (of which they’ve experienced indirectly) or chart a new path. I think it’s clear which has, is, and will continue to happen.
I think the Adult Descendants of Slaves might have something to say about the title of this video, having lived through the most horrific genocidal period in history: SLAVERY. 400 YEARS and counting.
His reading of so-called critical race theory is fundamentally wrong and misleading. The people I have heard discuss what he is calling critical race theory believe deeply in the promise of democracy but assert, correctly I think, that America has not and can not live up to its democratic promise until the legacy of white supremacy is reckoned with. Disappointing that Isaacson did not press him more on his misrepresentation of the position of people like Ta-Nehesi Coates.
Nope, they don't. Do you read Andrew Sullivan's blog on Substack? It is a more detailed discussion of his views. CRT proponents say America is TODAY a white supremacy, not just about History. It is hard to take anyone intellectually seriously if they can claim that the world's most multi-racial, multi-religious and multi-cultural democracy is a white supremacy. Second, the main problem is that you cannot debate with them, because as soon as you disagree, they say you are racist. They say it even if you are not white because you have internalized whiteness. Third, they see our racial identities as central to who we are, a profoundly regressive mindset and value. People have multiple identities and you cannot say my racial identity is important for me or others should look at me through that prism. Nor is society a battleground between different races experiencing different degrees of oppression. We should see ourselves as individuals bound by the Constitution. The importance of racial identity was falling in a multicultural America before the Left started propounding this racist ideology.
@@mitrasinchan I think you are wrong in so many ways here. Your biggest failure, though, is to claim that you can't even debate "them" because "they" will call you a racist. Your own preemptive attempt to close down debate and an intellectually dishonest move that deserves as much scorn as can be heaped upon it. I won't call you a racist but I will say that your intellectual arrogance is unwarranted. You aren't half as intelligent as you think you are.
@@burmajones803 There are literally dozens of people I can name who have lost their jobs and have been vilified as "white supremacists" and "Nazis" just because they expressed mild criticism of some aspects of BLM. I understand that you don't know about these incidents, because none of these incidents were discussed in liberal America. Many Liberals sincerely believe this is all Republican propaganda. The problem is that we are living in separate worlds. The "news" that Left wing people consume and that constitutes their worldview leaves out so much of what is happening in their country and it is in fact not news but a tendentious interpretation of reality. Then there is the problem that people live in ideological bubbles, so you are unlikely to come across someone with my views. If you don't know some people, it is much easier to demonize them. Dialogue is difficult when we don't share a common world of facts.
I found this interview informative and thought provoking. Re Mr Sullivan’s view that words pose no harm: I’m curious how he feels about the barrage of death threats aimed at civil servants and public figures who have opposing views.
Yes, I think his seemingly benign redefinition of so-called critical race theory and its aims is evil. He is the type of demogogue I would most fear because he seems to want to cause no harm but in reality wants to dismantle any true reckoning with the way in which racism has shaped this country.
@@burmajones803 What is the 'true reckoning' of which you speak? That's really the question, isn't it. People can talk on and on about CRT all they want, but what is the outcome that proponents of CRT really want? I don't know whether to be for or against it until I understand the answer to that question. I'm still searching.
At the same time, the people in the country see what they are going to see and they do what they are going to do. The question for each addict is: am I going to continue to follow the addiction or am I going to surrender the addiction and find a Power greater than myself which can lead me to sobriety in all areas of my life?
U.S. invented the Cold War threat to maintain war economy, and made Israel one of its covert hegemon partners. It continues native American culture assassination, Jim Crow double speak, and capitalist oppression. American middle class are the new Palestinians.
Good god! This guy never really learns. He knows well enough to not support authoritarianism, but not well enough to see the other sins of the country. I think he still has a degree of racism inside of him.
I think the sane and decent people of this country should be so grateful that Trump was a loser, snd a narcissist crook. Imagine the extend of damage he could have caused had he been smarter. A second term is what separated this country from fascism.
WOW❣️ Andrew, I have only recently discovered you through Bari Weiss and her Newsletter, Common Sense. As someone who leans conservative, my respect for Bari and my sense of safety with her opinions led me to take a closer look at you. I was deeply touched by so much of what you had to share during this interview. I, too, am a "Truth Seeker" who looks more deeply than the visible layers to discern where real Truth lays. Not always an easy or short journey, I have always found the effort well worth my time in order to reap the blessings (hard earned as they might be) I often receive . Thank you for sharing your perspectives which offer delicious "food-for-thought". "Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another." ~ Proverbs 27:17 God Bless you, Andrew 🙏🏻
Andrew Sullivan is not an American. Therefore there are things about America that he can see that we native born sons and daughters cannot. On the other hand, there are things that we native born children can FEEL and INTUIT that he cannot. Words to the wise.
I mean, no? Just because you're born in a certain place or into a certain demographic, that does not fundamentally impair you from understanding other people or their needs. Alexis de Tocqueville was able to write his insightful Democracy in America despite being a foreigner, for example. I also don't think that feelings and intuitions are reliable ways to arrive at truth.
@@radishpineapple74 Your comment is well-written and there is wisdom in it. I would also say that there is wisdom in my comment as well. Rather than replying with a rejoinder I'll just ask that you re-read my comment. I'll let it stand as is. We as a nation and a people have fearsome and capable enemies that work night and day, employing millions who are devoted to and work tirelessly toward America's downfall. Many of those devoted to America's downfall are misled and misguided Americans thinking themselves to be patriots when in fact and in truth they are doing the work of our enemies. Those who work for American unity of purpose, to make America strong are our friends. Those who work for division and social strife and chaos are our enemies, wherever they were born. May all in your family survive the Covid Crisis and live to see a time when America is strong in confronting her foreign enemies and united as a nation and a people.
Perhaps Sullivan is so passionate because his native country's well-being is heavily vested in the future viability of the United States. It must be extremely frustrating knowing that wishful ideals tend to be ruined on the ground.
Did Sullivan pay for this spot? Watched this three times. The third with closed captions. Completely past his time. His observations are stale. His insights are presumptious. His solutions are six decades old. The followup quesstions tells you all you need to know. The comments are the bonus.
@@geraltofrivia__w.w.7513 the dysfunction really started with rush limbaugh. He is responsible for planting the seeds of hyperpartisanship. Then newt gingrich started the asymetric warfare in Congress. Sarah Palin catered to the rush's fascism, and trump turned it to 11. Those 4 idiots are not the only ones of course, but they have been the four legs of fascism.
wrong! we have reached a breaking point the country had not progressed in decades people wanted any change good or bad any they would vote for anyone who says something different
@@RM-xf9gi I dunno, from my observations I must say there's something about many of those presenters that seems to make them stop short of calling their guests out, are they simply too polite or something, dunno, maybe they don't want to rock the boat, antagonize the guests, - I know it's wrong, they should hold their guests' feet to the fire, there're very few interviewers who can really unflinchingly probe their guests.
My experience is that people who don't want to own their own racism, are adamantly opposed to CRT. And, CRT was something that was written; which means it is not a "gospel." We can open our minds and learn what we need to learn.
What does it say when the vast majority of people didn’t know what CRT was (what is it called now two years on)? Tells me it was a failure on the part of academics to explain what it was all about, perhaps intentionally. Everyone here laments the mischaracterization of CRT, but I’ve yet to see one good explanation that doesn’t sound and smell of BS. I guess it’s a moot point since it’s now a fish out of water (though I guarantee it’s still applied in practice in the ivory towers of Ivy League universities). As for people “owning their racism”: then what? What’s the endgame? The only endgame I see is nothing amounting to the popular conceptions of “equality”, but a pseudo-religious ideology we all have to adopt and submit to. Sorry, but I’m not a fan of state religions, I’ll keep my own.
Who said Obama’s terms were a waste of time? Also if it’s not your people rotting in jails and being killed then yes you have the privilege of essentially saying “can’t we all just get along and forget about this race thing.” 🙄 You shouldn’t speak about race if you’re extremely stunted in understanding of it and he’s displaying this ignorance. We don’t want “love” you fool we want equal opportunity and to not be monitored when we go into stores.
It is not A. Sullivan who said that Obama's term was a waste of time, it is Ibram Kendi who said that: "he in a way, like I think many Americans, have expressed both racist and antiracist ideas, have supported policies that yield to both racial inequity and equity". As for your comment about wanting love, that's exactly what he says, as a minority (a gay man living with HIV) that he does not want love, he wants respect and equality. Granted, being white and gay is very different than being black, but the same position was spelled by Obama when he talked about legacy of defeat among young black people.
@@Melinamiu007 Oh you do? Well, I don't. I wish people like you would go to these high-crime, minority neighbourhoods and talk to the people there and ask them whether they want an increased or decreased police presence
Andrew: Manifest Destiny was not merely a 19th century American Frontier construct. The same impulse that caused the Pharaoh to enslave the Hebrews as "a breed apart" has continued nonstop throughout human history. The problem is that, whenever the enslaver gets caught at it, he has learned to sidestep, redefine the relationship without drawing threateningly nearer to equal justice, and proceeds as before. So it was when Pilgrims enslaved Africans; when the South lost the Civil War but maintained slavery under another name, "fine-tuning" their system to perpetuate their hegemony, making themselves comfortable in their bedrock of white supremacy to the point that they now equate democracy with anarchy because slavery is finally dying. Humanity could have saved countless lives and misery by a more aggressive embrace of our professed ideals of liberty and equality... but that hasn't happened yet.
As much as I enjoyed listening to this and will listen again, there are some things that intellectual Ivory tower thinking does not get, because there is a disconnect between the Head and the Heart. Specifically to things Andrew mentioned towards the end, a better perspective: => Words 'are' Actions. Just because something is verbal and not physical does not make it any less of an action. Words can rile up the masses to insurrect 😉. Further, the subtle realm is more powerful and important than the gross. Humans with this invisible thing called intelligence are ruling the planets, not the Big elephants. Essentially, in the hierarchy of subtleness and importance: Spirit >> Mind and Intellect >> Physical body. So by using words if one hurts someone's mind/psyche it can be considered worse than physical hurt. Physical hurt also heals faster than psychological damage. (And of course crushing someone's soul or spirit is even more horrendous). What the western intellectuals and legal system have not appreciated sufficiently is how to handle the power of words and intent. That's why they fall back to physical action, which is easier to measure and legalize. The whole Freedom of Speech, rather it's abuse, leads to additional confusion in society. Another point from Eastern philosophy is that the actions/evolution of one generation affects up to the next 7 generations through the DNA imprint mechanism. There is a 'memory' effect in Consciousness, and DNA can be considered as the channel where such 'hurt' information is stored. The solution to the American racial mess will take up to 7 generations to fix, provided more nonsense does not get piled on with these mismanaged race battles and unwise solutions of good intent. I wish there is some learning by western well meaning intellectuals from their eastern counterparts, who have covered the subject of Consciousness and how it plays out in society, over generations. Best to be open and learn from all intelligent, time tested sources, but this would first require dismantling the western intellectual (Judeo-Christian) superiority complex to look outside it's bubble. Some are doing it, but most people in the west are still residing in that bubble. Enough said. I will learn what I can from this video by watching it again. Hope there was something new here for the reader to ponder on and research. Cheers!
You make several good points here but also assert new age falsehoods. “Eastern philosophy” doesn’t make reference to seven generations - if you can find a specific reference for this please share it. This is an idea from North and South American Shamanism, although as an oral tradition it’s hard to get specific references to their exact thinking. DNA has been demonstrated to play a role in up to two generations, but not seven. And was never an aspect of either Eastern or Shamanic understanding of inter generational influence.
Well... Interesting to say the least. He doesn't think words hurt people and professes to be a Christian...🤔 Proverbs 18:21 life and death are in the power of the tongue and those who love it will eat the fruit there of. The tongue is a 🔥 fire. James 3:7 for every species of beasts and birds, of reptiles and creatures of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by the human race. 8. But no one can tame the tongue; it is a restless evil and full of deadly poison. 9. With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the likeness of God; 10. From the same mouth come both cursing and blessing. My brethren, these things ought not be this way. Shalom
Interesting. It seems to me that the power of politics is overstated. The vacuuming up of resources from the bottom to the top combined with toxic media is leading the many to frustration and despair. I wonder if stability will return. An other Weimar event is more likely with its potential horrific consequences.
In my experience stability returns, often eventually, when we each take responsibility for our own lives. In addition, I needed to find a spiritual power greater than myself. Having done so has changed my "self" and my life in amazing ways.
Not just Christianity but Confucian ethics teach we should love others as much as we love ourselves - Do not unto others what you don't want others to do unto you.
ethics was and all way will be dead wrong about the impossible. should never be brought up and only to make people worse. any idiot know that. Grace knows it is impossible also.
America is learning that the old mindsets have to go. Absolutely switch to embrace those that taught us how to plant, hunt, conserve, protect, love and honor our Creator. I believe the poor, middle class ethnicities of every sort need to own their part in the conditioning being taught that they need to stay where they are bc that’s what their people have done. Blacks, slaves, Africans have contributed a wealth of industrial, economic, religion, foods, music, creativity, beauty, intelligence, inventions, dance, fashion style, hair styles, poetry, literature, bands, sports, baseball, basketball, football, boxing, military men/ women, servicemen, air pilots, mathematicians in biology, science, space, steel workers, chefs, politicians, Presidents, Doctors, Nurses, educators, comedians, business owners, bankers, and so much more. How have all of us forgotten the road they’ve travelled since slavery. I plead with anyone reading this to open your heart and begin to heal from the noise that helped you believe others unlike yourself should be treated unequal. You’re killing our future’s children ability to be blind to difference.
The line of “not our fault/not our sin” intellectuals gets longer… the truth is that such is a position that simply deflects in order to avoid any actual admission of wrongdoing toward minorities in exchange for an empty promise to just do better going forward. That’s a 400-year arc of “doing better” and look how much more is left to go.
16:16 "Minorities have to develop resilience, tenacity, pride"" Are you serious man?!?!? Africans had been enslaved in America 250 years, went through decades of Jim Crow segregation, lynchings, bombings, job & housing discrimination, police brutality, substandard education, the list goes on and on. If it weren't for God and our resiliency, tenacity, pride in how God made us (we are fearfully and wonderfully made according to God's Word), we would have NEVER endured!!! I understand you immigrated to America, but learn more about our history and who we are before you comment.
@@chickenfishhybrid44 Its called one rule for me and another for you ... climbing up a ladder then turning around and pulling up the ladder behind you ... its exposing that it is only a certain kind of immigration is the issue
@@DaKid27 idk how you can call it pulling up the ladder when the position isn't a closed border or no immigration. Anyway, we're clearly going to gain nothing from this. Good day.
Why does he think CRT says folks are always racist? It’s a legal theory of how racism has historically and tacitly been incorporated into law. Emphasis on theory and historical. Go to law school thats the only place they MAY teach it. Honestly, I think he’s a gay guy with a conscience looking for acceptance among the macho Right.
The Native Americans history tells a different story , how has Obama's Presidency improved the lives of Native Americans or African Americans ? did his Presidency improve the Criminal Justice System or the Environmental Justice or Drinking Water of Flint Michigan I think Not . What do you see ? .
He doesn't have an understanding CRT. You have to break down the standards of how groups of people are being left behind & why... BEFORE you tackle individual lack of progress.
Ideologies are bad, but also, your critiques are invalid unless you paradigmatically accept my notion of individualism and its place in society. Absolute disingenuous tripe. Well spoken and intellectually bankrupt.
Andrew Sullivan is a national treasure. I for one and happy he choose America. If a guy with that kind of clear thinking is able to pick , of his own free will, any country on Earth, and he choose this one, it says something good about us that we need to realize is really there.
"Understand how we've managed to get passed some racism"? I don't have words or the patience to entertain such a moronic statement. I've never agreed with Sullivan's twisted, limited logic based on his relativity. The more he speaks, the more you realize he's antiquated, and his opinion is no longer applicable for the future of this country! I disagreed with almost everything he said. I would have no problem debating you Andrew!
Mr Sullivan, tell me, who are the wealthiest in the land? Are there any representatives of minorities among them? What does that tell you! Your perspective is obviously a white male perspective. Individuals who are NOT white have experienced generational oppression. If you take a look at the Indigenous experience, it becomes obvious that a group of people treated and dismissed as inferior through many generations will not have the same "resiliency" as you, to just shrug off societal abuse.Currently residential schools are being dug up to find the bodies of children who have died there by either starvation or neglect. That is the example of racial genocide...Should that be shrugged off? I find it rather ridiculous to compare your experience with theirs. Victims have always been told to suck it up and get over it by those who have victimized them. When economic oppression has kept people in a powerless position over generations, no one has the right to tell them how to respond to such abuse. You are living a very comfortable middle class existence...and therefor your vision is a bit clouded.
no violence? I appreciate the gains made through the Pride movement, but I lived through it too in the US. There absolutely WAS violence against people and the violence is still happening, IDK where he gets his news. Yes, hearts and minds (and laws) were changed, but it was NOT done without violence against those who were speaking out or just trying to live their lives.
Our Constitution can be amended toward greater, and greater freedoms however; education, and positive exposure, without interruption by those who wish to capitalize on racism, will lead to social correction. This will lead to proper legislation. Yes!, the book of Galatians should be our model!. Thanks!
He’s got some great observations but conflates too many ideas without any nuance. Especially about the “woke left” (idk wtf that is. Never seen it on any ballot)
This is a white wealthy older British man. I feel hes not the person to condescend what real Americans feel and their history. It’s very easy to say that america isn’t rotten at its core or isn’t still rotten when it’s not your family now and history that was chained, raped, murdered, and pushed down every time they tried to get up. Height of arrogance. Maybe if real us historians with family history generating to the slave period with a lived experience of the realities of struggling in America tell you what’s wrong with the system shut up and listen to them.
Those are all radically different from each other in terms of how they attained, execute, and maintain power. No real comparison between any of them and Trump
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“The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge’?” (Ezekiel 18:2) Building a country with the steroids of chattel slavery and Jim Crow comes with cost. James Baldwin always warned that "a bill is coming due."
Amen
#Facts
J.B. a Legend... 🙏
What’s the price then? Money? A socialist state? Enslave white people? We keep talking in these apocalyptic terms but I have never seen a vision articulated that would move us past this point.
Personally, I don’t think there is one, and the proponents of that kind of thinking know it. They know there’s nothing that can make it “right”. So either they can continue to relive trauma (of which they’ve experienced indirectly) or chart a new path. I think it’s clear which has, is, and will continue to happen.
I think the Adult Descendants of Slaves might have something to say about the title of this video, having lived through the most horrific genocidal period in history: SLAVERY. 400 YEARS and counting.
His reading of so-called critical race theory is fundamentally wrong and misleading. The people I have heard discuss what he is calling critical race theory believe deeply in the promise of democracy but assert, correctly I think, that America has not and can not live up to its democratic promise until the legacy of white supremacy is reckoned with. Disappointing that Isaacson did not press him more on his misrepresentation of the position of people like Ta-Nehesi Coates.
Nope, they don't. Do you read Andrew Sullivan's blog on Substack? It is a more detailed discussion of his views. CRT proponents say America is TODAY a white supremacy, not just about History. It is hard to take anyone intellectually seriously if they can claim that the world's most multi-racial, multi-religious and multi-cultural democracy is a white supremacy. Second, the main problem is that you cannot debate with them, because as soon as you disagree, they say you are racist. They say it even if you are not white because you have internalized whiteness. Third, they see our racial identities as central to who we are, a profoundly regressive mindset and value. People have multiple identities and you cannot say my racial identity is important for me or others should look at me through that prism. Nor is society a battleground between different races experiencing different degrees of oppression. We should see ourselves as individuals bound by the Constitution. The importance of racial identity was falling in a multicultural America before the Left started propounding this racist ideology.
@@mitrasinchan I think you are wrong in so many ways here. Your biggest failure, though, is to claim that you can't even debate "them" because "they" will call you a racist. Your own preemptive attempt to close down debate and an intellectually dishonest move that deserves as much scorn as can be heaped upon it. I won't call you a racist but I will say that your intellectual arrogance is unwarranted. You aren't half as intelligent as you think you are.
@@burmajones803 Thank you!!
@@mitrasinchan Racism was evident in American long before the "left,' as it is today, did anything. At any rate nothing stays static.
@@burmajones803 There are literally dozens of people I can name who have lost their jobs and have been vilified as "white supremacists" and "Nazis" just because they expressed mild criticism of some aspects of BLM. I understand that you don't know about these incidents, because none of these incidents were discussed in liberal America. Many Liberals sincerely believe this is all Republican propaganda. The problem is that we are living in separate worlds. The "news" that Left wing people consume and that constitutes their worldview leaves out so much of what is happening in their country and it is in fact not news but a tendentious interpretation of reality. Then there is the problem that people live in ideological bubbles, so you are unlikely to come across someone with my views. If you don't know some people, it is much easier to demonize them. Dialogue is difficult when we don't share a common world of facts.
Great interview. As brilliant as Andrew Sullivan is, Im glad hes not running things.
Lol
😆so true!
FRFR... Somehow he thinks he's different he's the same
I found this interview informative and thought provoking. Re Mr Sullivan’s view that words pose no harm: I’m curious how he feels about the barrage of death threats aimed at civil servants and public figures who have opposing views.
Black Americans feel the exact opposite of what this man is saying
I think some people are confusing America with the British empire.
I am resonating with this comment. Thank you for the perspective.
This
Sullivan really isn't an appropriate person to talk on this topic. He's kind of awful in his own right. Evil too? Possibly.
Yes, I think his seemingly benign redefinition of so-called critical race theory and its aims is evil. He is the type of demogogue I would most fear because he seems to want to cause no harm but in reality wants to dismantle any true reckoning with the way in which racism has shaped this country.
@@burmajones803 What is the 'true reckoning' of which you speak? That's really the question, isn't it. People can talk on and on about CRT all they want, but what is the outcome that proponents of CRT really want? I don't know whether to be for or against it until I understand the answer to that question. I'm still searching.
The USA was given a very important job To do and it is failing badly. Addiction to power and money has destroyed it’s mission.
At the same time, the people in the country see what they are going to see and they do what they are going to do. The question for each addict is: am I going to continue to follow the addiction or am I going to surrender the addiction and find a Power greater than myself which can lead me to sobriety in all areas of my life?
U.S. invented the Cold War threat to maintain war economy, and made Israel one of its covert hegemon partners. It continues native American culture assassination, Jim Crow double speak, and capitalist oppression. American middle class are the new Palestinians.
Maybe the citizens don't want that job for their country.
Good god! This guy never really learns. He knows well enough to not support authoritarianism, but not well enough to see the other sins of the country. I think he still has a degree of racism inside of him.
Yeah, he's lived in Pleasant Valley most of his life.
I think the sane and decent people of this country should be so grateful that Trump was a loser, snd a narcissist crook.
Imagine the extend of damage he could have caused had he been smarter. A second term is what separated this country from fascism.
WOW❣️ Andrew, I have only recently discovered you through Bari Weiss and her Newsletter, Common Sense. As someone who leans conservative, my respect for Bari and my sense of safety with her opinions led me to take a closer look at you. I was deeply touched by so much of what you had to share during this interview.
I, too, am a "Truth Seeker" who looks more deeply than the visible layers to discern where real Truth lays. Not always an easy or short journey, I have always found the effort well worth my time in order to reap the blessings (hard earned as they might be) I often receive .
Thank you for sharing your perspectives which offer delicious "food-for-thought".
"Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another." ~ Proverbs 27:17
God Bless you, Andrew 🙏🏻
This was amazing. I also believe in discussing things no matter how difficult the subject is. Thank you
he actually says.."minorities have to develop resilience tenacity and self pride?!?! wow
That means be more white
Not more white but staying resistant to oppression and keep your heritage alive!!
Trump couldn't get the "honest people" to be bought off !!
That's what hitler did .. and trump was trying to be that authoritarian person ... but he only knew how to be a bully..!!
Bernie did a better job of reallying a crowd and it wasn't with hate and insults. !!!
Andrew Sullivan is not an American. Therefore there are things about America that he can see that we native born sons and daughters cannot. On the other hand, there are things that we native born children can FEEL and INTUIT that he cannot. Words to the wise.
I mean, no? Just because you're born in a certain place or into a certain demographic, that does not fundamentally impair you from understanding other people or their needs. Alexis de Tocqueville was able to write his insightful Democracy in America despite being a foreigner, for example.
I also don't think that feelings and intuitions are reliable ways to arrive at truth.
@@radishpineapple74 Your comment is well-written and there is wisdom in it. I would also say that there is wisdom in my comment as well. Rather than replying with a rejoinder I'll just ask that you re-read my comment. I'll let it stand as is.
We as a nation and a people have fearsome and capable enemies that work night and day, employing millions who are devoted to and work tirelessly toward America's downfall.
Many of those devoted to America's downfall are misled and misguided Americans thinking themselves to be patriots when in fact and in truth they are doing the work of our enemies. Those who work for American unity of purpose, to make America strong are our friends. Those who work for division and social strife and chaos are our enemies, wherever they were born.
May all in your family survive the Covid Crisis and live to see a time when America is strong in confronting her foreign enemies and united as a nation and a people.
Perhaps Sullivan is so passionate because his native country's well-being is heavily vested in the future viability of the United States. It must be extremely frustrating knowing that wishful ideals tend to be ruined on the ground.
@@Browne7100 There is something to the idea that we are connected to the land we arise from.
so your comparing seing and feeling woopy
Did Sullivan pay for this spot? Watched this three times. The third with closed captions. Completely past his time. His observations are stale. His insights are presumptious. His solutions are six decades old. The followup quesstions tells you all you need to know. The comments are the bonus.
Your vitriol without a single clear criticism opposed to Andrew's clear dispassionate arguments is quite the contrast.
I found nothing about trumps speeches to be charismatic. It was full of hate LIES and stupidity through simple 3 line chants.
He was charismatic to his followers, which has always baffled me. He should have been so easy to see through.
you still don't get it ? trump is a symptom of a sick dysfunctional country. How else do you think a guy like him gets elected?
@@geraltofrivia__w.w.7513 the dysfunction really started with rush limbaugh. He is responsible for planting the seeds of hyperpartisanship. Then newt gingrich started the asymetric warfare in Congress. Sarah Palin catered to the rush's fascism, and trump turned it to 11. Those 4 idiots are not the only ones of course, but they have been the four legs of fascism.
Wow I infrequently see grown ass adults so deeply misunderstand what CRT is. Forget this guy.
Ahhhhh, Andrew ........... trying to sound smart while avoiding connection to reality.
wrong! we have reached a breaking point the country had not progressed in decades people wanted any change good or bad any they would vote for anyone who says something different
Is it just me or he quite a lot mischaracterized what CRT really is?
And the reporter just sits there and says nothing to correct his mischaracterization of CRT! Smh
@@RM-xf9gi Which means the reporter doesn’t even know what CRT is!
@@RM-xf9gi I dunno, from my observations I must say there's something about many of those presenters that seems to make them stop short of calling their guests out, are they simply too polite or something, dunno, maybe they don't want to rock the boat, antagonize the guests, - I know it's wrong, they should hold their guests' feet to the fire, there're very few interviewers who can really unflinchingly probe their guests.
My experience is that people who don't want to own their own racism, are adamantly opposed to CRT. And, CRT was something that was written; which means it is not a "gospel." We can open our minds and learn what we need to learn.
What does it say when the vast majority of people didn’t know what CRT was (what is it called now two years on)? Tells me it was a failure on the part of academics to explain what it was all about, perhaps intentionally.
Everyone here laments the mischaracterization of CRT, but I’ve yet to see one good explanation that doesn’t sound and smell of BS. I guess it’s a moot point since it’s now a fish out of water (though I guarantee it’s still applied in practice in the ivory towers of Ivy League universities).
As for people “owning their racism”: then what? What’s the endgame? The only endgame I see is nothing amounting to the popular conceptions of “equality”, but a pseudo-religious ideology we all have to adopt and submit to. Sorry, but I’m not a fan of state religions, I’ll keep my own.
I mean...how smart can a gay republican be?
In South Africa the Sin's of the father's are now being suffered by his sons.
Who said Obama’s terms were a waste of time? Also if it’s not your people rotting in jails and being killed then yes you have the privilege of essentially saying “can’t we all just get along and forget about this race thing.” 🙄 You shouldn’t speak about race if you’re extremely stunted in understanding of it and he’s displaying this ignorance. We don’t want “love” you fool we want equal opportunity and to not be monitored when we go into stores.
It is not A. Sullivan who said that Obama's term was a waste of time, it is Ibram Kendi who said that: "he in a way, like I think many Americans, have expressed both racist and antiracist ideas, have supported policies that yield to both racial inequity and equity". As for your comment about wanting love, that's exactly what he says, as a minority (a gay man living with HIV) that he does not want love, he wants respect and equality. Granted, being white and gay is very different than being black, but the same position was spelled by Obama when he talked about legacy of defeat among young black people.
Andrew is also against Black people being killed, best way for that to happen is for police to arrest the criminals killing them.
@@denverbritto5606 I love how people who never talk to black people in any kind of meaningful way just have so many opinions about them.
@@Melinamiu007 Oh you do? Well, I don't. I wish people like you would go to these high-crime, minority neighbourhoods and talk to the people there and ask them whether they want an increased or decreased police presence
Hypocrisy is the main component of America.
Andrew: Manifest Destiny was not merely a 19th century American Frontier construct. The same impulse that caused the Pharaoh to enslave the Hebrews as "a breed apart" has continued nonstop throughout human history. The problem is that, whenever the enslaver gets caught at it, he has learned to sidestep, redefine the relationship without drawing threateningly nearer to equal justice, and proceeds as before. So it was when Pilgrims enslaved Africans; when the South lost the Civil War but maintained slavery under another name, "fine-tuning" their system to perpetuate their hegemony, making themselves comfortable in their bedrock of white supremacy to the point that they now equate democracy with anarchy because slavery is finally dying. Humanity could have saved countless lives and misery by a more aggressive embrace of our professed ideals of liberty and equality... but that hasn't happened yet.
As much as I enjoyed listening to this and will listen again, there are some things that intellectual Ivory tower thinking does not get, because there is a disconnect between the Head and the Heart. Specifically to things Andrew mentioned towards the end, a better perspective:
=> Words 'are' Actions.
Just because something is verbal and not physical does not make it any less of an action. Words can rile up the masses to insurrect 😉. Further, the subtle realm is more powerful and important than the gross. Humans with this invisible thing called intelligence are ruling the planets, not the Big elephants.
Essentially, in the hierarchy of subtleness and importance: Spirit >> Mind and Intellect >> Physical body.
So by using words if one hurts someone's mind/psyche it can be considered worse than physical hurt. Physical hurt also heals faster than psychological damage. (And of course crushing someone's soul or spirit is even more horrendous).
What the western intellectuals and legal system have not appreciated sufficiently is how to handle the power of words and intent. That's why they fall back to physical action, which is easier to measure and legalize. The whole Freedom of Speech, rather it's abuse, leads to additional confusion in society.
Another point from Eastern philosophy is that the actions/evolution of one generation affects up to the next 7 generations through the DNA imprint mechanism. There is a 'memory' effect in Consciousness, and DNA can be considered as the channel where such 'hurt' information is stored. The solution to the American racial mess will take up to 7 generations to fix, provided more nonsense does not get piled on with these mismanaged race battles and unwise solutions of good intent. I wish there is some learning by western well meaning intellectuals from their eastern counterparts, who have covered the subject of Consciousness and how it plays out in society, over generations. Best to be open and learn from all intelligent, time tested sources, but this would first require dismantling the western intellectual (Judeo-Christian) superiority complex to look outside it's bubble. Some are doing it, but most people in the west are still residing in that bubble.
Enough said. I will learn what I can from this video by watching it again. Hope there was something new here for the reader to ponder on and research. Cheers!
"Eastern philosophy says that memories are imprinted on DNA for 7 generations"
Maybe you should go back to school.
You make several good points here but also assert new age falsehoods.
“Eastern philosophy” doesn’t make reference to seven generations - if you can find a specific reference for this please share it. This is an idea from North and South American Shamanism, although as an oral tradition it’s hard to get specific references to their exact thinking. DNA has been demonstrated to play a role in up to two generations, but not seven. And was never an aspect of either Eastern or Shamanic understanding of inter generational influence.
Ask black Americans whose families come out of the death camps of the South plantation's
Well... Interesting to say the least. He doesn't think words hurt people and professes to be a Christian...🤔 Proverbs 18:21 life and death are in the power of the tongue and those who love it will eat the fruit there of. The tongue is a 🔥 fire. James 3:7 for every species of beasts and birds, of reptiles and creatures of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by the human race. 8. But no one can tame the tongue; it is a restless evil and full of deadly poison. 9. With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the likeness of God; 10. From the same mouth come both cursing and blessing. My brethren, these things ought not be this way. Shalom
YES
Interesting. It seems to me that the power of politics is overstated. The vacuuming up of resources from the bottom to the top combined with toxic media is leading the many to frustration and despair. I wonder if stability will return. An other Weimar event is more likely with its potential horrific consequences.
In my experience stability returns, often eventually, when we each take responsibility for our own lives. In addition, I needed to find a spiritual power greater than myself. Having done so has changed my "self" and my life in amazing ways.
He's way overestimating the power of politics in American lives. As you stated, the problem lies in resources being sucked up by the few...
His rhetoric is sad.
Not just Christianity but Confucian ethics teach we should love others as much as we love ourselves - Do not unto others what you don't want others to do unto you.
ethics was and all way will be dead wrong about the impossible. should never be brought up and only to make people worse. any idiot know that. Grace knows it is impossible also.
America is learning that the old mindsets have to go. Absolutely switch to embrace those that taught us how to plant, hunt, conserve, protect, love and honor our Creator. I believe the poor, middle class ethnicities of every sort need to own their part in the conditioning being taught that they need to stay where they are bc that’s what their people have done. Blacks, slaves, Africans have contributed a wealth of industrial, economic, religion, foods, music, creativity, beauty, intelligence, inventions, dance, fashion style, hair styles, poetry, literature, bands, sports, baseball, basketball, football, boxing, military men/ women, servicemen, air pilots, mathematicians in biology, science, space, steel workers, chefs, politicians, Presidents, Doctors, Nurses, educators, comedians, business owners, bankers, and so much more. How have all of us forgotten the road they’ve travelled since slavery. I plead with anyone reading this to open your heart and begin to heal from the noise that helped you believe others unlike yourself should be treated unequal. You’re killing our future’s children ability to be blind to difference.
The line of “not our fault/not our sin” intellectuals gets longer… the truth is that such is a position that simply deflects in order to avoid any actual admission of wrongdoing toward minorities in exchange for an empty promise to just do better going forward. That’s a 400-year arc of “doing better” and look how much more is left to go.
16:16 "Minorities have to develop resilience, tenacity, pride""
Are you serious man?!?!? Africans had been enslaved in America 250 years, went through decades of Jim Crow segregation, lynchings, bombings, job & housing discrimination, police brutality, substandard education, the list goes on and on. If it weren't for God and our resiliency, tenacity, pride in how God made us (we are fearfully and wonderfully made according to God's Word), we would have NEVER endured!!! I understand you immigrated to America, but learn more about our history and who we are before you comment.
he sounds confused about where he stands
That’s okay! Sometimes being able to admit that you are UNSURE is exactly what we should be able to do. That’s an admirable trait.
No, America is not rooted in Evil. Republican Party Kakatocracy certainly is. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks...
Always interesting to hear a British man talk about how immigration needs to be restricted in the US
While an immigrant himself... Go figure...
Why? It's not as if his proposition is no immigration.
@@chickenfishhybrid44 Its called one rule for me and another for you ... climbing up a ladder then turning around and pulling up the ladder behind you ... its exposing that it is only a certain kind of immigration is the issue
@@DaKid27 idk how you can call it pulling up the ladder when the position isn't a closed border or no immigration. Anyway, we're clearly going to gain nothing from this. Good day.
@@chickenfishhybrid44 Same to you. Have a good day
this guy discovered the tyranny of the majority...what a shock,...something everyone studied at 18. just awful
Lol
Gets him those rolling in Comments though.
Me Too what are people afraid of to discuss everything!
Why does he think CRT says folks are always racist? It’s a legal theory of how racism has historically and tacitly been incorporated into law. Emphasis on theory and historical. Go to law school thats the only place they MAY teach it. Honestly, I think he’s a gay guy with a conscience looking for acceptance among the macho Right.
The Native Americans history tells a different story , how has Obama's Presidency improved the lives of Native Americans or African Americans ? did his Presidency improve the Criminal Justice System or the Environmental Justice or Drinking Water of Flint Michigan I think Not . What do you see ? .
He doesn't have an understanding CRT. You have to break down the standards of how groups of people are being left behind & why... BEFORE you tackle individual lack of progress.
CRT = Southern Strategy 2022/24
When a British person has to tell how America is.
Andrew is living in his own delusion!
Another hyperindividualism crock. Yikes.
Not an outstanding interview as this guy is all over the place, still Walter did a good job.
Ideologies are bad, but also, your critiques are invalid unless you paradigmatically accept my notion of individualism and its place in society. Absolute disingenuous tripe. Well spoken and intellectually bankrupt.
Andrew Sullivan is a national treasure.
I for one and happy he choose America. If a guy with that kind of clear thinking is able to pick , of his own free will, any country on Earth, and he choose this one, it says something good about us that we need to realize is really there.
He's Milktoast on the Graivytrain.
Agreed
"Understand how we've managed to get passed some racism"? I don't have words or the patience to entertain such a moronic statement. I've never agreed with Sullivan's twisted, limited logic based on his relativity. The more he speaks, the more you realize he's antiquated, and his opinion is no longer applicable for the future of this country! I disagreed with almost everything he said. I would have no problem debating you Andrew!
He does not align with the right of left and more voices like his need to be elevated if we are going to make this work.
Mr Sullivan, tell me, who are the wealthiest in the land? Are there any representatives of minorities among them? What does that tell you! Your perspective is obviously a white male perspective. Individuals who are NOT white have experienced generational oppression. If you take a look at the Indigenous experience, it becomes obvious that a group of people treated and dismissed as inferior through many generations will not have the same "resiliency" as you, to just shrug off societal abuse.Currently residential schools are being dug up to find the bodies of children who have died there by either starvation or neglect. That is the example of racial genocide...Should that be shrugged off? I find it rather ridiculous to compare your experience with theirs. Victims have always been told to suck it up and get over it by those who have victimized them. When economic oppression has kept people in a powerless position over generations, no one has the right to tell them how to respond to such abuse. You are living a very comfortable middle class existence...and therefor your vision is a bit clouded.
Ask people of Iraq.
no violence?
I appreciate the gains made through the Pride movement, but I lived through it too in the US. There absolutely WAS violence against people and the violence is still happening, IDK where he gets his news.
Yes, hearts and minds (and laws) were changed, but it was NOT done without violence against those who were speaking out or just trying to live their lives.
Like was there not a shooting at a gay bar last month?!
Our Constitution can be amended toward greater, and greater freedoms however; education, and positive exposure, without interruption by those who wish to capitalize on racism, will lead to social correction. This will lead to proper legislation. Yes!, the book of Galatians should be our model!. Thanks!
Walter, why you so happy on this with Andrew?
He’s got some great observations but conflates too many ideas without any nuance. Especially about the “woke left” (idk wtf that is. Never seen it on any ballot)
He is ESAU..OF COURSE HE THINKS THAT
What happened to this show I use to love it, now all they talk about is woke identity politics? So sad, another one bites the dust.
Depressing stay away
The dude lost me with xtianity.
@@Browne7100 And you know this about me how? I didn’t say the guy couldn’t speak, just that xtianity turns me off. You’re not that bright, are you?
You were already lost if you have that kind of reaction to the mere mention of Christianity.
but can be good
This is a white wealthy older British man. I feel hes not the person to condescend what real Americans feel and their history. It’s very easy to say that america isn’t rotten at its core or isn’t still rotten when it’s not your family now and history that was chained, raped, murdered, and pushed down every time they tried to get up. Height of arrogance. Maybe if real us historians with family history generating to the slave period with a lived experience of the realities of struggling in America tell you what’s wrong with the system shut up and listen to them.
I'm sorry the past is our present. It never went away. Fantastic place if you're white
Yes.
Spoken like a white guy of a certain age that has women taking care of his schedule and shopping.
I can put a 4 page text here
OHAS awayz talk with a fork'd tongue
"I the Lord do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed." - Lord Almighty, 👑 🔥Malachi 3:6
i the lord will contradict you when ever i want. Romans a meaning in 3-18
Bolsenaro, Duterte, Putin, Xi. Everybody knows that archetype.
Those are all radically different from each other in terms of how they attained, execute, and maintain power. No real comparison between any of them and Trump
This guy wrote the bell curve? He believes race plays a part in our IQ points?
"But the plans of the Lord stand firm forever, the purposes of his heart through all generations." - Psalm 33:11