I think you miss also a point on the 4th skill - „if the target is a rally“ - so maybe swarming rally is a thing to get 10% health debuff stacked as fast as possible
@@curtispavlovec releasing new content isnt a "cash grab" lmao.. you can easily expertise a legendary within 4-5 months f2p with gold heads from events. Adding new content is required if you are a trying to create and continue to maintain one of the biggest games in the world
i wonder how this will work with commanders that heal over time like takeda. Make takeda great again also i wonder if this would make a viable pairing with boudica as secondary given her heal on skill cast. Would work a little like chandra. Boudi loses the 3rd skill and im not sure if the heal dmg thingy would benefit from the skill dmg debuff of boudica. But it would make the current target more swarmable. lots of testing to be done
Chisgule the skill says "Whenever this commander heals", so it will only deal damage when Choe heals, it won't deal damage if another commander heals. Cause if it did the skill would say "Whenever this commander's troops heal"
@@ChisguleFor sure and this commander paired with Shajar will make a fine anti swarm counter rally that packs a punch. Choe's 4th skill i.e that 50% health reduction will work when swarming a rally or counter rallying and Shajar's nuke on 4th paired with Choe's 45% heal increase, the rally is definitely going to feel that
So if I use defense tree healing. How does it count that heal? From the first commander or the second Commander? Now assuming both of new archer paired with each other: If the Defense Tree heals count as first commander, then you have 3x AoE. Or count as whoever doing active skill, you get 2x AoE from first commander (Active skill + 300 DF on Defense Tree) and 2x single target from second commander. And for this to happens, both buffs (from 2 active skills) must not be override each other. If both active skills activate whenever it cast a heal, then you get double dip of both Active buffs. First commander heal -> AoE + 1 Single target. Then Second commander heal -> AoE + 1 single target. I would incline to say it will be this option. Otherwise, you have zero viable pair for this commander garrison. Also, this is the only reason why the buff to be 10s long. Else, they can just make it: Heal and do true damage to the target, there is no need to layer in a 10s buff.
This answers the question about which troop type Delta Formation is for, Infantry. Both Archer commanders have normal damage taken reduction, but no skill damage reduction. Combo attacks deal extra basic attacks, so next Cavs will be skill damage.
@@redbluegreen1062 ok, but what can then be used to rally Choe Yeong? New Archers will have 30% normal damage taken reduction. Any new Cav rally needs to have AOE too, Nevsky/ Justinian is instantly swarmed, there's nothing to fear from that march. If all the new commanders attack is from Combo attacks, where's the AOE?
@@sebquattro1101 following the cavalry trend from Lilith they will be single target have no march speed bonus will silence themselves and will be pointless commanders again
Alex and Saladin skill that negates heal buff is really gonna be mad clutch again honestly. Saladin basically got that william type skill but instead of for skill dmg its for the heal buff
@@WildlifeFAQeh put em in as secondary commander and be hopeful Lol. liu che alex for sure better in the meta but i believe alex skill is percentage based so not a guarantee that the skill casts 100% of time
@@ansell16 Even then it won't reduce the damage component, only the heal, says right on the skill description that any bonuses/reduction to healing won't affect the damage
Do you think Saladin makes a comeback? 👀 50% healing reduction on his active skill would seem to imply a 50% reduction to the damage dealt CYs active skill
Shajar, skill 3 and skill 4 is on the field. Not working when garrison with new garrison commander . In KVK we get 40% all damage, not scale with healing. wtf?!
10 seconds long... That's insane! Is it means that when he casts his Active skill again, before that 10 secs runs out, would it be 160% TRUE DAMAGE??!! 🤯✨ DàMN! CRAZY OLD OPPA OLD MAN! 🇰🇷🏯✨❤️🔥🤯
OMG Lilith can you make ever more complicated and unreadible skill commanders ? lol MIT to play ROK soon ! THEY HAD to mark and add side note to explain the skill so soon : 1-2-3-4-5 PS ?
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I think you miss also a point on the 4th skill - „if the target is a rally“ - so maybe swarming rally is a thing to get 10% health debuff stacked as fast as possible
These commander skills are becoming so complicated. Lilith releasing themselves to a wall
Pure cash grab.
@@curtispavlovec releasing new content isnt a "cash grab" lmao.. you can easily expertise a legendary within 4-5 months f2p with gold heads from events. Adding new content is required if you are a trying to create and continue to maintain one of the biggest games in the world
Constantine heal is gonna absolutely nuke anything around it when it procs, if you use it with CY lolllllll
Only if there is no hard cap as upper limit, while below its 80%. So as Chis said, we need to test it.
You could avoid garrison buff if you attack garrison with a march before the rally hits. Using T1 march
Don't forget about auxiliary skills that provide healing, like Pelagius, CC, etc. Icing on the cake
i wonder how this will work with commanders that heal over time like takeda. Make takeda great again
also i wonder if this would make a viable pairing with boudica as secondary given her heal on skill cast. Would work a little like chandra. Boudi loses the 3rd skill and im not sure if the heal dmg thingy would benefit from the skill dmg debuff of boudica. But it would make the current target more swarmable. lots of testing to be done
Chisgule the skill says "Whenever this commander heals", so it will only deal damage when Choe heals, it won't deal damage if another commander heals. Cause if it did the skill would say "Whenever this commander's troops heal"
couuuuuld be. This is one of those things that will need testing/clarification
@@ChisguleFor sure and this commander paired with Shajar will make a fine anti swarm counter rally that packs a punch. Choe's 4th skill i.e that 50% health reduction will work when swarming a rally or counter rallying and Shajar's nuke on 4th paired with Choe's 45% heal increase, the rally is definitely going to feel that
@@ChisguleI was thinking that they will deal true damage for each others heals as well
So if I use defense tree healing. How does it count that heal? From the first commander or the second Commander?
Now assuming both of new archer paired with each other: If the Defense Tree heals count as first commander, then you have 3x AoE. Or count as whoever doing active skill, you get 2x AoE from first commander (Active skill + 300 DF on Defense Tree) and 2x single target from second commander. And for this to happens, both buffs (from 2 active skills) must not be override each other.
If both active skills activate whenever it cast a heal, then you get double dip of both Active buffs. First commander heal -> AoE + 1 Single target. Then Second commander heal -> AoE + 1 single target. I would incline to say it will be this option. Otherwise, you have zero viable pair for this commander garrison. Also, this is the only reason why the buff to be 10s long. Else, they can just make it: Heal and do true damage to the target, there is no need to layer in a 10s buff.
Ramses is coming off the shelf I guess
So we have yet another formation we need to work on!!! I think it has to be circle for this with 5% more healing
This answers the question about which troop type Delta Formation is for, Infantry. Both Archer commanders have normal damage taken reduction, but no skill damage reduction. Combo attacks deal extra basic attacks, so next Cavs will be skill damage.
Combo cav smite infantry
@@redbluegreen1062 ok, but what can then be used to rally Choe Yeong? New Archers will have 30% normal damage taken reduction. Any new Cav rally needs to have AOE too, Nevsky/ Justinian is instantly swarmed, there's nothing to fear from that march. If all the new commanders attack is from Combo attacks, where's the AOE?
@@sebquattro1101 following the cavalry trend from Lilith they will be single target have no march speed bonus will silence themselves and will be pointless commanders again
The animation for this skill could crash game animation
CY + Zenobia is going to go crazy in artefact kvks. Casual 2800 damage factor to 5 targets (3100 with CY primary)
This guy and gorgo together are going to be insane
Your video's quality is unmatched
CY and Constantine might be a meta in artifact kvks ngl
New field commander behind herman tho..?
Alex and Saladin skill that negates heal buff is really gonna be mad clutch again honestly. Saladin basically got that william type skill but instead of for skill dmg its for the heal buff
You can try swarming that garrison with Saladin but you'll get hurt really good
@@WildlifeFAQeh put em in as secondary commander and be hopeful Lol. liu che alex for sure better in the meta but i believe alex skill is percentage based so not a guarantee that the skill casts 100% of time
@@ansell16 Even then it won't reduce the damage component, only the heal, says right on the skill description that any bonuses/reduction to healing won't affect the damage
well no one uses saladin
Do you think Saladin makes a comeback? 👀 50% healing reduction on his active skill would seem to imply a 50% reduction to the damage dealt CYs active skill
The only buff to archer is 30% def so it could be used mixed troop
Would an Arty primary be good? Anti smite garrison seems quite strong specially since they dont get damage get buffed by artemisias expertise.
@chisgule what about CY with a Takeda in an artifact KVK? lots of healing and defense tree buffs additional healing
the defense tree has healing in it as well so will his damage proc off of that healing also?
Maybe this will prevent Wild Lion and Mr Hope from casually swarming flags XD
Shajar, skill 3 and skill 4 is on the field. Not working when garrison with new garrison commander
. In KVK we get 40% all damage, not scale with healing. wtf?!
it is said that true damage in affected by all damage buffs
This garrison should have great sustain
10 seconds long... That's insane!
Is it means that when he casts his Active skill again, before that 10 secs runs out, would it be 160% TRUE DAMAGE??!! 🤯✨
DàMN! CRAZY OLD OPPA OLD MAN! 🇰🇷🏯✨❤️🔥🤯
Alex is back with the heal immune
So if you throw a ramses/gilga on him he is wrecked af .... ramses and gilga back to meta?
Dont think so, also gilga and ram are actually not working well together, one wants the target to heal, the other is canceling heal...
And on top i think the dmg on gilga will not be enough to counter the mighty heal
@@hurenfeind i dont mean we pair them together but we may see some pairs that use gilga or ramses to punish the healers
they mention Single for target type , is it AOE commander !!
Does this mean a comeback for Saladin?
How much time for new commanders to be released in game? 😮
Is the AoE circle or fan shaped? Any confirmation from Lilith?
Zeno/Cy with the talent tree 17/40/17 full arc.....this could be mad if they works 😂😂
Do i feel like return of saladin ? Or It will be the new cav with anti heal
I love chisgules vids
Skill descriptions getting really confusing
Richie viable as a garry now?
Wu is the only healing garrison that works with all troop types. She will need a new relic though...
Cheeseburgering with Choe/Constantine
Richard smiling 😂
If we rally with ramses theywont do any active skill?
constantine heals heavily
Does that put Zeno as a field commander?
new barb chaining meta
you can use it to swarm rallies
Ramsis , Gilga , Saladin
What about Bertrand? , I remember he has some healing + defense tree
@@TheKaidorSly hes a rally commander tho
Why we don't get this for cavalry 😢
who is ready to slap an artifact on Zeno or Richard and sip tea?
The whole point is to allow players to bring back older commanders. Hey. I'm all for that. 👍
I assume circle AoE. God tier barb chaining
Yepp
I hope it isn't some bs like half circle 😂
@@Xander2026 might be like ashur
richard ysg on crack in a single commander
@@Xander2026- Nope it's full circle.
Could this make Richard I come again to the meta?
personal opinion, maybe go up 1440p
Would Gilgamesh come back to counter this garrison?
swarming him with saladin 😅
Can almost fight infantry
Welcome to a world where richard is now relevant lol
I'm waiting when we finally hit 2 digit numbers on this skills. 3k almost, not long way to 10k i guess... 🤣😂
Saladin to alex ; it is my turn 👀
Interesting
OMG Lilith can you make ever more complicated and unreadible skill commanders ? lol MIT to play ROK soon !
THEY HAD to mark and add side note to explain the skill so soon : 1-2-3-4-5 PS ?
Gilgamesh counter this?
Love an anti-swarm garrison. Swarming is lame.
❤ SALADIN THE KURD ❤
Saladin rally meta 😂😂😂. Cavs with anti-heal finally get their day on the field
Imagine a world where Zeno gets revived & Gorgo/Atilla wasn’t strong enough so you release Gorgo/Choe. You are here
Yea Gorgo/choe would be good. And also Zeno/Choe would might be better bc of zenos heals into true damage
@@zkx2417True Damage only happens when this commander heals. It says when this commander heals not when this commander's troop heals
Guss what u could basically but 1 units marche in garrison aoe and decrease damage that rally takes by 15% 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
is anyone willing to try it with tamar?
Nerf cao cao
Why, he not good rn
I wonder why archers are always chosen from the Far East
Anyone who can upgrade my commanders 🥺🙏
Time to bring back the gilgachad boiz, literally a HARD counter. Archer on archer crime 👀
nerf or will broke the game
They probably tested it for it not too be too game breaking
4 infantry meta in a row broke the game
Gilgamesh walks in the room .
I wrote you a message in the game chat, read it instead of acting precious 😒
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