I think EMF audio did a test on this and it was surprising how quickly wire gets hot. It definitely pays to go overkill if you plan on running lots of power. Im planning on running 4 gauge speaker wire for 6k-8krms
voltage drop might not look like much, but remember that 200w lost is going into heating the wire, after not too long the resistance will rise, and thats where the real power loss is, short burps might not make it so obvious, at 1 ohm 70A is being pushed through that wire, the 8ga is a good bet. enjoyed the vid! good to see some numbers
This video is great, a big factor with speaker wire is the input terminals on your subs and speakers! Always annoying to have to chop and splice speaker wire together to fit in a push terminal!
I'd like to see the difference between 8awg and 4awg as many people feel the need to go to 4awg these days. There are even people starting to use 1/0awg.
I'm sorry but really what woofers could ever require 1/0ga for a freaking speaker connection??? Now that i would love to see hahaha one that actually does require that thick of wire to pass the audio signal "NOT THE 12V" people he is talking about speaker connections here and I've seen it myself too there's always the one guy at a show with freaking 8/0ga (yes i know the d-cell battery thick stuff) cut all the way around it turning the diameter down into a standard 4ga and shoves it in his woofers to connect them to his amplifier lol i mean come onnnn really??? What made you think that would be necessary or even help with anything or make.any improvements 😆 🤣 😂 Thanks for pointing this out showtime he deff should do this test (or maybe you and your new partner Exo can)
my 2 Fi subs will be receiving 10kW EACH so yea, I'd like to know if 4ga would be better than 8ga however where I think people become confused is when a power wire running 10k requires 1/0ga then why wouldn't a 10kW sub require 1/0ga.. well because the power wire is DC and the speaker wire is AC. (2 Fi Neo 4.11 each on it's own Taramps 1-ohm Bass 8K wired down to 0.7 ohm = total 20,000 RMS Watts)
@@lowhertzhighspl yeah before impedance rise lol you're going to be lucky to clamp real time power 6k from each also dependant on your battery reserves and alt/alts and quality and quantity of power runs... I myself have a Wolfram AW-9000.1D wired to half ohm on two Wolfram PT-18'S 4in PE coils 4krms each (massively underrated) and I have 3 runs of sky high 2/0 ofc front to rear with a JY 270a running the truck side and a mechman 320 charging my batteries which are under the hood I have two XS SB1000-31 supercaps and then in the rear I have a single limitless cyber 12k powering my sub amp and a reg limitless 25ah powering my AW-125.4- 4ch and I have two runs of 2/0 to the cyber and 1 run to the 25ah and my voltage hovers around 14.8 while running and then full tilt I may drop to 14.2 the lowest I've seen was 13.8 but that was because I had not charged my liths in a while and the vehicle sat parked for 2wks without being ran at all but it quickly recovered up to 14.8 thanks to them dual alts
@@foobart8746 you want a cookie bruh? Waste of good wire if it is good wire that is lol you will never need more than 8ga ofc to your subs as speaker cable and adding thicker wire actually might cause some power loss rather than give you a better connection because that's a lot of copper soaking up your audio signal...
The power loss is relatively small but what is more important is the heat that will develop in the thinner 16 gauge wire as compared to little or no heat with the 12 and 8 gauge wires.
@@Pobodies_Nerfect yeah mine was super hot and made the terminal on my box hot, I won't put in my new power wire or play the sub very loud until I get new speaker wire
For my single SA-15 V2, I did Sky High OFC 10 gauge wire from the subwoofer terminals, to Sky High OFC 8 gauge from the box (bolt) terminals, then that just goes to the (Soundqubed 1200.1 @ 1ohm) amp. Works great, wire is thick and heavy-ish
I wonder what that translates to when it comes to actual db output. Be nice to see that in real time real word basis. Then do a single power and ground vs dual Power and grounds running to an amp. I love this Tech stuff nice to Nerd out on audio with y’all
I agree with Aaron Nonya! I would like to see that same test done with the 4ga wire with the 4ga adapters! I just wonder what kind of numbers would you get!
Wow great video! I thought I’d see a much bigger difference, but goes to show with quality wire you’ll do fine. I personally prefer 12 awg just cuz it leaves some room to work with different setups. 👍🏽
there is a major difference in watts let alone resistance in the aluminum and would act more like a heater at high watts or high ohms on top of the ohms resisting in the CCA its self....stay far far far away from CCA, just get OFC ( AWG ) not Ga cause Ga is china way undersized wire. the wire topic is a whole damn planet of facts Vs scams
What gauge cable would be good 80w coaxial speakers up front with amp in the back? I was planning to use 16 gauge but i keep seeing videos suggesting 12 gauge instead.
I put my money on 8ga CCA being less resistant, what quality of CCA will be a factor of course. 8ga is double the diameter of 12ga and ofc vs CCA resistance is not double (CCA around ~40% more resistant that being more along the lines of poor copper coating) as speaker wire resistance is going to truly be the determining factor as voltage and amperage without doubt both will be capable to handle comparable loads. (Down to brass tacks I do think either way in every way the CCA does hold a slight advantage though) but again that's comparing 12ga to 8ga so 🤷 price, weight and mass are weighed out in pros and cons as well. As long as all factors are accounted for I see no issue with choosing CCA, or mixing the 2. I have 1 1/0 run of each ran front to back in my set up but that was calculated and it's more than I need. I don't have the overhead I would if I choose to run 2 runs of ofc instead but i also have no problem running another run of what's needed if needed down the road to have a final result in continuing to have a fair bit of overhead. I will have plenty of supply where I'm not leaving anything on the table and wouldn't benefit in any way otherwise. If I am mistaken in anyway, well you with out a doubt would be the one to know as I do know your name and it's on my list to watch as i learn more about lithium before I decide to make the switch.
kicker would only come close to pyle lmao glad to see you stepped out of walmart and into the big boy world of audio, now go get a ticket from it already lol
What a job to have! even if it's only for half a day incl. editing while the other half is spent shipping out car audio orders. I'd do this for free! (Conduct car audio scientific experiments using fancy test bench)
I always wondered this if you run say two 12 gauge wires instead of One 8 gauge wire would that help? So a pair of speaker wire that's 12 gauge to one speaker wire that's 8 gauge
Run that s#!t everywhere! I even put it on my remote turn-on wires. On the run to my power antenna. And to my tweeters. But I never did the big 3. That is superstition. :D
Bro good test, but that’s just part # 1. Part # 2 should test those same gauges but with 16’ of wire. That’s about as long as you’d run in a car, but can always round it up to 20’ to cover worst case. 💪🏼
Flexin five has a good point... how long could you run higher volume on thinner wire with that type of power before it would get hot ? And if it gets hot would it get hot enough to fail?
With these short burst tests I didn't notice any temperature change in the wire. Sounds like I'll be revisiting this idea in the future to perform a thermal test on the wire.
I knew that was going to jus be a little bit lower but the bigger wire will keep amp cooler bcz the amp don’t have too work so hard too push the power thru small wire
Length, OFC/CCA not accounted for? Shorter lengths would differ less (would be my guess). Did not account for heat building up when the load is on the wire for a longer period of time.
What I did (if your on a budget like me) was make a little distribution box out of a little piece of MDF and some 1/4 in nuts, bolts and washers. I have 2, 15's dual coil. I have 8, 8gauge wires running to a 4 terminal DIY distribution box. 8, 8 gauge in and 4, 4 gauge out. I have a one channel amp with 2 pos and 2 neg inputs so it all works out nice. You can make a dis box in many different configurations. What ever works best for your set up.
I bought from sky high car audio dual 8ga speaker wire inputs to single 8ga output. I'd like to see a test done to know if even helps considering it's aluminum and small.
Love the tech time videos. Like to see a video of how quick those super caps can recharge while playing music. Maybe a battery, 320 alt and 2 of those ultra cap banks. See if it's good enough to power the amp or need another battery
@KO Audio Midwest looks like you told on yourself... You didn't watch the full video did you? If you had you wouldn't have commented about the 2 runs of 16 ga. Go watch the video in full. (I would put a time stamp BUT that would make it too easy for you lol, yes I'm a di*k)
Do you think that next time you can compare "regular" speaker wire to ofc speaker wire?... and just wondering why you did "uncertified" instead of "certified"?
I consider ofc (oxygen free copper) to be regular speaker wire. What other type of wire are you referring to? I chose uncertified because it will do more power and more current through the wire. It made for a better comparison in my opinion.
Dang, im confused.. Ill be running upto 1400 rms and around 2500 or so max with a monoblock @1 ohm. My concern is having 4 speakers ran in series, they are 300watt rms each and 600 max, what guage should i use from the amp to the speaker and down the line and back?
@@nickxcaliber7991 lmao jokes on you considering that amp has put out over 5k rms on video... Before you laugh at others be sure to fact check your own ignorance prior to being the fool yourself!
These were short bursts so can't say I noticed the wires getting hot. I'll likely do a future test video to check the thermal change in the wire when performing such a test.
So I'm going to be running 3 soundcube hds3 10's at .67ohms and each sub should be seeing about 1100watts rms. I will be running 12awg. Should that be thick enough for be running, as I'm gonna have a hard time fitting the 12awg into the speaker terminals. Will they get to hot? I'm looking longevity and durability. If I need thicker speaker wire, what would y'all suggest for getting all that wire into the speaker terminals? Thanks for the help.
Them results only would be true if you just burped from normal temperatures in a setup you actually play as you play heat builds up and efficiently goes down so for spl burps you can get away with pretty thin wire without a huge loss but in a daily setup the more you play the more power you lose to a point were the wire in a bad case melts or shorts out or it gets to a hot resting temp and you just play with low efficiency because the more heat the more resistance I may be wrong but ain't I right?
Run a 4 gauge and see if it increases any , I see a ton of installs with what people call "over kill" but is it really over kill if it squeezes out some extra watts
I was hoping you would had done the single run with 8 & 12 gauge. Now I'm curious because it dropped with the 16 gauge quite a bit with that single run.
How hot does the 16ga wire get with that much wattage? I am going to use 16ga for my tweets and 12ga for mids and 8ga for subs. I don't think you would gain any performance from 4ga on 3k
My issue is it actually justified to spend the extra money on 8 gauge wire vs 12 gauge just to gain 20-30 watts of power unless you’re running more than a pair of subs as resistance and length will affect power loss
I didn't know that having a thick cable from the amp to the sub box was bad. Using 0 gauge cca from amp to the box. Looks badass. Am I losing power for using it? Its about 3 ft long of cable. What's the optimum cable for 3k of power? 8 gauge?
These are good videos! Keep 'em coming! An idea for the future is same gauge wire but different types. Solid (like home electrical) vs. thin stranded vs. thick stranded vs. aluminum vs. OFC pure copper. Etc. Etc. Maybe even something crazy like copper tubing? Butting together many shorter pieces to make 1 longer piece? Simulate wire runs to door speakers 12' lengths.
I have two sundown x8v3 dual 4 oh. I ordered 8 gauge ofc speaker wire from down4sound and it was too thick. So I ordered skyhigh 12 gauge ofc. I need to run them in parallel from 4 ohm down to 1 ohm . I hope I ordered the right size wire. I wanted the thickest speaker wire but it's impossible to fit in the push terminal in parallel x8v3
Everything looks good except the voltage was higher for the smaller gauge wire. If the voltage stayed the same I think their would be a bigger drop in watts.
You never need thicker than 8 gauge speaker wire and honestly that's a little much because the power coming out of ALL amps is AC voltage it's the same reason u use small wire in your house only dc has the problem of needing large conductor's to carry high current but cca wire still sucks lol
So what AWG size of OFC speaker wire should I use to power 2 subs with 20K RMS (10K each)? 4g or 2 runs of 8g will be sufficient for SPL comps? Surprisingly I did not learn this answer from watching this video because SAU tends to cover all bases, so maybe I missed it. (If someone wants to know what subs: 2 - 15" Fi Neo 4.11 w/ Omega option and stage 3 cooling rated 5K-7K RMS which is why I will be supplying them with 10K each, which doesn't necessarily mean they will receive 10K each, thanks to factors such "Impedance Rise"). SIDENOTE: And to think, almost a year ago I watched this video to learn what size of speaker wire my single Kicker L7S 12" needed for it's speaker wires, haha, or maybe it was when I had already upgraded to 2 L7Ss but regardless, I've learned A LOT and have come a long way within the last year mainly by learning as much as I could from car audio pros via RUclips such as this YT channel. So a big thanks to these guys. [plug] For anyone interested in seeing my previous builds or my newest builds, feel free to check out my new/small/basic YT channel where I will be uploading much more content in 2021 in hopes of passing on accurate knowledge to my fellow bass-heads. Presently am building my 5th build in one year, starting from 1K RMS, 2K, 5K, 8K, to now 20K RMS :-D
@@junioro907 not sure of your budget but can you afford the 8/0 wire? Have you seen the legit price on that 8/0, plus I think you have to order it by the spool. The one I saw you couldn't just buy per foot. Bye bye paycheck lol. (Btw I know you were being sarcastic in your comment, I'm just saying the stuff is EXPENSIVE. Seems it'd be cheaper to run multiple runs of 1/0 or even 2/0)
herbyverstink there are several brands using 4 gauge speaker outputs and I’m pretty sure sundown has 4 gauge speaker terminals on their team subs. That being said 1 run of 4 gauge looks cleaner vs dual runs of 8 gauge to your box. Personally I have 1 run of 4 gauge to my smd speaker terminal and 8 gauge to the subs inside
@@dylanantunano9761 the G2 Audio Genesys subs use 4 awg terminals & that sub is only rated at 1200 rms. Its becoming more common to see 4 awg terminals on subwoofers.
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I think EMF audio did a test on this and it was surprising how quickly wire gets hot. It definitely pays to go overkill if you plan on running lots of power. Im planning on running 4 gauge speaker wire for 6k-8krms
My only complaint was wondering if you could write smaller.
Haha my handwriting certainly won't be winning any awards. I was intentionally trying to write well. lol
@@UnofficialAudio aleast it is readable. You could use .05 pen. Hahahaha
You and Wilston are the cleanest view of the dyno runs I have seen
voltage drop might not look like much, but remember that 200w lost is going into heating the wire, after not too long the resistance will rise, and thats where the real power loss is, short burps might not make it so obvious, at 1 ohm 70A is being pushed through that wire, the 8ga is a good bet. enjoyed the vid! good to see some numbers
Sounds like a good idea for a future tech time video.
That's what this video forgot to mention. Very important info to keep in mind.
This video is great, a big factor with speaker wire is the input terminals on your subs and speakers! Always annoying to have to chop and splice speaker wire together to fit in a push terminal!
Wow I am impressed at how much you can run through the single run of 16ga...
I'd like to see the difference between 8awg and 4awg as many people feel the need to go to 4awg these days. There are even people starting to use 1/0awg.
I'm sorry but really what woofers could ever require 1/0ga for a freaking speaker connection??? Now that i would love to see hahaha one that actually does require that thick of wire to pass the audio signal "NOT THE 12V" people he is talking about speaker connections here and I've seen it myself too there's always the one guy at a show with freaking 8/0ga (yes i know the d-cell battery thick stuff) cut all the way around it turning the diameter down into a standard 4ga and shoves it in his woofers to connect them to his amplifier lol i mean come onnnn really??? What made you think that would be necessary or even help with anything or make.any improvements 😆 🤣 😂 Thanks for pointing this out showtime he deff should do this test (or maybe you and your new partner Exo can)
my 2 Fi subs will be receiving 10kW EACH so yea, I'd like to know if 4ga would be better than 8ga however where I think people become confused is when a power wire running 10k requires 1/0ga then why wouldn't a 10kW sub require 1/0ga.. well because the power wire is DC and the speaker wire is AC. (2 Fi Neo 4.11 each on it's own Taramps 1-ohm Bass 8K wired down to 0.7 ohm = total 20,000 RMS Watts)
@@kevinAuman1 I’m using 0 gauge
@@lowhertzhighspl yeah before impedance rise lol you're going to be lucky to clamp real time power 6k from each also dependant on your battery reserves and alt/alts and quality and quantity of power runs... I myself have a Wolfram AW-9000.1D wired to half ohm on two Wolfram PT-18'S 4in PE coils 4krms each (massively underrated) and I have 3 runs of sky high 2/0 ofc front to rear with a JY 270a running the truck side and a mechman 320 charging my batteries which are under the hood I have two XS SB1000-31 supercaps and then in the rear I have a single limitless cyber 12k powering my sub amp and a reg limitless 25ah powering my AW-125.4- 4ch and I have two runs of 2/0 to the cyber and 1 run to the 25ah and my voltage hovers around 14.8 while running and then full tilt I may drop to 14.2 the lowest I've seen was 13.8 but that was because I had not charged my liths in a while and the vehicle sat parked for 2wks without being ran at all but it quickly recovered up to 14.8 thanks to them dual alts
@@foobart8746 you want a cookie bruh? Waste of good wire if it is good wire that is lol you will never need more than 8ga ofc to your subs as speaker cable and adding thicker wire actually might cause some power loss rather than give you a better connection because that's a lot of copper soaking up your audio signal...
The power loss is relatively small but what is more important is the heat that will develop in the thinner 16 gauge wire as compared to little or no heat with the 12 and 8 gauge wires.
I’d be far less concerned with the power loss compared to how hot that wire will get on music.
I wondered the same thing...
@@Pobodies_Nerfect yeah mine was super hot and made the terminal on my box hot, I won't put in my new power wire or play the sub very loud until I get new speaker wire
8 gauge is what I prefer but no smaller then 10. Depends on how long or short the distance. Plus it also looks pretty cool having big wire runs. Lol.
For my single SA-15 V2, I did Sky High OFC 10 gauge wire from the subwoofer terminals, to Sky High OFC 8 gauge from the box (bolt) terminals, then that just goes to the (Soundqubed 1200.1 @ 1ohm) amp. Works great, wire is thick and heavy-ish
I've been curious myself ... ty for clearing it up. Though I figured it would have be more of a loss from the 8 to 16 gauge. But every watt counts
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I wonder what that translates to when it comes to actual db output. Be nice to see that in real time real word basis. Then do a single power and ground vs dual Power and grounds running to an amp. I love this Tech stuff nice to Nerd out on audio with y’all
Great video..also i just bought a 12 gauge for sub's and 14 gauge for mids and highs!!
I agree with Aaron Nonya! I would like to see that same test done with the 4ga wire with the 4ga adapters! I just wonder what kind of numbers would you get!
Wow great video! I thought I’d see a much bigger difference, but goes to show with quality wire you’ll do fine. I personally prefer 12 awg just cuz it leaves some room to work with different setups. 👍🏽
Great test.now,let's see exactly the same test but differences between copper and aluminum. Thanks for the testing
there is a major difference in watts let alone resistance in the aluminum and would act more like a heater at high watts or high ohms on top of the ohms resisting in the CCA its self....stay far far far away from CCA, just get OFC ( AWG ) not Ga cause Ga is china way undersized wire. the wire topic is a whole damn planet of facts Vs scams
@@UsurperTCG truth!
I had to custom fab my A pillars to fit my 4/0 I got running to my tweeters.
Now that's funny. Couldn't you find anything bigger?
What gauge cable would be good 80w coaxial speakers up front with amp in the back? I was planning to use 16 gauge but i keep seeing videos suggesting 12 gauge instead.
Love all that you do and keep the tech shit coming man!
The results speak for themselves
should do 8ga CCA vs 12ga ofc , that would be interesting . i have people bringing me that 8ga cca all the time to install .
more resistance = more heat off the wire = not really a test he performed here.
I put my money on 8ga CCA being less resistant, what quality of CCA will be a factor of course. 8ga is double the diameter of 12ga and ofc vs CCA resistance is not double (CCA around ~40% more resistant that being more along the lines of poor copper coating) as speaker wire resistance is going to truly be the determining factor as voltage and amperage without doubt both will be capable to handle comparable loads. (Down to brass tacks I do think either way in every way the CCA does hold a slight advantage though) but again that's comparing 12ga to 8ga so 🤷 price, weight and mass are weighed out in pros and cons as well. As long as all factors are accounted for I see no issue with choosing CCA, or mixing the 2. I have 1 1/0 run of each ran front to back in my set up but that was calculated and it's more than I need. I don't have the overhead I would if I choose to run 2 runs of ofc instead but i also have no problem running another run of what's needed if needed down the road to have a final result in continuing to have a fair bit of overhead. I will have plenty of supply where I'm not leaving anything on the table and wouldn't benefit in any way otherwise. If I am mistaken in anyway, well you with out a doubt would be the one to know as I do know your name and it's on my list to watch as i learn more about lithium before I decide to make the switch.
What about regular door speaker wire? Can I run 125-150w RMS on factory wiring?
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kicker would only come close to pyle lmao glad to see you stepped out of walmart and into the big boy world of audio, now go get a ticket from it already lol
I couldn't see, are all the wires ofc? Or cca?
What a job to have! even if it's only for half a day incl. editing while the other half is spent shipping out car audio orders. I'd do this for free! (Conduct car audio scientific experiments using fancy test bench)
Man it be a cool job.but its not peaches and cream.ya have to deal with the public and china.so yeah he prob loves it but hates going in at times
I have the zv5 and hcca 8000 1d and I run 8 gauge wire
was half expecting some smoke on the single 16awg
I always wondered this if you run say two 12 gauge wires instead of One 8 gauge wire would that help? So a pair of speaker wire that's 12 gauge to one speaker wire that's 8 gauge
Yes it would definitely help.
Yeah just to be safe I run 1/0 gauge on my remote wire also. Can't be to safe.
What lol hahah your joking right that’s funny
@@19PatMcDowell90 yeah I'm kidding.
I was gonna say Bluetooth it and go wireless lol
I use 4/0
When should i up to 4 gauge D? runnin almost 15k on amm-1 w/8 . ?watts b4 needing 4gauge? should i be usin reducers and running 4 now??? THANKS
Was this done with ofc or cca wire? Would that make a difference in a short run?
2/0 ofc speaker wire for my 6x9's
Run that s#!t everywhere!
I even put it on my remote turn-on wires. On the run to my power antenna. And to my tweeters. But I never did the big 3. That is superstition. :D
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Awesome test
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Isn’t it good that the voltage isn’t dropping very much? That would mean less resistance in the speaker wires correct?
Bro good test, but that’s just part # 1. Part # 2 should test those same gauges but with 16’ of wire. That’s about as long as you’d run in a car, but can always round it up to 20’ to cover worst case. 💪🏼
Flexin five has a good point... how long could you run higher volume on thinner wire with that type of power before it would get hot ? And if it gets hot would it get hot enough to fail?
With these short burst tests I didn't notice any temperature change in the wire. Sounds like I'll be revisiting this idea in the future to perform a thermal test on the wire.
Awesome. I will be looking forward to seeing the results.
I knew that was going to jus be a little bit lower but the bigger wire will keep amp cooler bcz the amp don’t have too work so hard too push the power thru small wire
Length, OFC/CCA not accounted for? Shorter lengths would differ less (would be my guess). Did not account for heat building up when the load is on the wire for a longer period of time.
Just sucks trying to shove 2 ~8awg wire into 1 terminal, do a video on that once that's my only complaint
What I did (if your on a budget like me) was make a little distribution box out of a little piece of MDF and some 1/4 in nuts, bolts and washers. I have 2, 15's dual coil. I have 8, 8gauge wires running to a 4 terminal DIY distribution box. 8, 8 gauge in and 4, 4 gauge out. I have a one channel amp with 2 pos and 2 neg inputs so it all works out nice. You can make a dis box in many different configurations. What ever works best for your set up.
I bought from sky high car audio dual 8ga speaker wire inputs to single 8ga output. I'd like to see a test done to know if even helps considering it's aluminum and small.
I would like to see that test at 4guage....
Love the tech time videos. Like to see a video of how quick those super caps can recharge while playing music. Maybe a battery, 320 alt and 2 of those ultra cap banks. See if it's good enough to power the amp or need another battery
Is 8G wire is the largest wire required for maximise output?
If it's SUNDOWN AUDIO WIRE I think it'll be 💯 just fine
ofc vs cca same gauge?
Great video!!!! Did the small 16g get warm i was thinkin it would be quite warm from all that power!
Looks like your using 2 runs of the 16g wire?
@KO Audio Midwest looks like you told on yourself... You didn't watch the full video did you? If you had you wouldn't have commented about the 2 runs of 16 ga. Go watch the video in full. (I would put a time stamp BUT that would make it too easy for you lol, yes I'm a di*k)
Nicely done
Do you think that next time you can compare "regular" speaker wire to ofc speaker wire?... and just wondering why you did "uncertified" instead of "certified"?
I consider ofc (oxygen free copper) to be regular speaker wire. What other type of wire are you referring to? I chose uncertified because it will do more power and more current through the wire. It made for a better comparison in my opinion.
@@UnofficialAudio speaker wire that's not ofc... I thought that is what you were using! My bad!
Dang, im confused.. Ill be running upto 1400 rms and around 2500 or so max with a monoblock @1 ohm. My concern is having 4 speakers ran in series, they are 300watt rms each and 600 max, what guage should i use from the amp to the speaker and down the line and back?
Old video but I think if you hook the amp to some Subs you will notice how your wires are burning up... Especially that 16 ga.
Would have like to see you add the sundown 8guage
Where did amp test Tuesday go? Waiting on that ns1v1. I know they take time.
theyre working on the new testing room..hold your panties bro
Did the 4k take 4gauge for the speakers? U shuda tried that too. I wuda loved to see over 5k come out for it!
Just because wire is bigger doesn’t mean the amp can do more then it’s able. Won’t get 6k just cause he runs 0 gauge lmao
@@nickxcaliber7991 lmao jokes on you considering that amp has put out over 5k rms on video... Before you laugh at others be sure to fact check your own ignorance prior to being the fool yourself!
Did you stop posting derick?
How hot did the wires get, don't suppose for continuous bassing they will hold up
These were short bursts so can't say I noticed the wires getting hot. I'll likely do a future test video to check the thermal change in the wire when performing such a test.
You should also try 4g just for fun, also try different lengths see if there’s differences between lengths
Same here bro big subs and amp mono 1 ohm 8 gauge mids and highs 14,16
So I'm going to be running 3 soundcube hds3 10's at .67ohms and each sub should be seeing about 1100watts rms. I will be running 12awg. Should that be thick enough for be running, as I'm gonna have a hard time fitting the 12awg into the speaker terminals. Will they get to hot? I'm looking longevity and durability. If I need thicker speaker wire, what would y'all suggest for getting all that wire into the speaker terminals? Thanks for the help.
Them results only would be true if you just burped from normal temperatures in a setup you actually play as you play heat builds up and efficiently goes down so for spl burps you can get away with pretty thin wire without a huge loss but in a daily setup the more you play the more power you lose to a point were the wire in a bad case melts or shorts out or it gets to a hot resting temp and you just play with low efficiency because the more heat the more resistance I may be wrong but ain't I right?
Run a 4 gauge and see if it increases any , I see a ton of installs with what people call "over kill" but is it really over kill if it squeezes out some extra watts
So what happens if you use 24ga wiring for car speakers? Will it create noise?
Sweet 👍
I was hoping you would had done the single run with 8 & 12 gauge. Now I'm curious because it dropped with the 16 gauge quite a bit with that single run.
How hot does the 16ga wire get with that much wattage? I am going to use 16ga for my tweets and 12ga for mids and 8ga for subs. I don't think you would gain any performance from 4ga on 3k
Which gauge wire should I go with on two sundown x12 wired at 2ohm? And should the speaker wire be the same size?
amp? same size as what?
My issue is it actually justified to spend the extra money on 8 gauge wire vs 12 gauge just to gain 20-30 watts of power unless you’re running more than a pair of subs as resistance and length will affect power loss
so what is 16 gauge good for ..and when will the wiree catch on fire ?
This test tell us how many rms the speaker wire can hold
Thx bro 😎
Go big or go home! Nice Demo 👍
I think would 4 and 0 gauge make a difference too? Ive seen a guy on the tube use 0 gauge...
pay no attention to him, obviously he doesn't understand difference between AC and DC.
heat?
I didn't know that having a thick cable from the amp to the sub box was bad. Using 0 gauge cca from amp to the box. Looks badass. Am I losing power for using it? Its about 3 ft long of cable. What's the optimum cable for 3k of power? 8 gauge?
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These are good videos! Keep 'em coming!
An idea for the future is same gauge wire but different types. Solid (like home electrical) vs. thin stranded vs. thick stranded vs. aluminum vs. OFC pure copper. Etc. Etc. Maybe even something crazy like copper tubing? Butting together many shorter pieces to make 1 longer piece? Simulate wire runs to door speakers 12' lengths.
No one ever says a thing about 14 guage lol. Even tho it tends to come with kits. So weird.,
I am using 10g on a dual x8 v3 d4 setup
I have two sundown x8v3 dual 4 oh. I ordered 8 gauge ofc speaker wire from down4sound and it was too thick. So I ordered skyhigh 12 gauge ofc. I need to run them in parallel from 4 ohm down to 1 ohm . I hope I ordered the right size wire. I wanted the thickest speaker wire but it's impossible to fit in the push terminal in parallel x8v3
Ok. But I'm wired down to 1 ohm.
Everything looks good except the voltage was higher for the smaller gauge wire. If the voltage stayed the same I think their would be a bigger drop in watts.
thanks man!
What amp do I use for 4 12 inch sundown subs?
which subs?
i would like to see an amp test like this
Do a 30 second test that is where you will see the wire fail
You never need thicker than 8 gauge speaker wire and honestly that's a little much because the power coming out of ALL amps is AC voltage it's the same reason u use small wire in your house only dc has the problem of needing large conductor's to carry high current but cca wire still sucks lol
So what AWG size of OFC speaker wire should I use to power 2 subs with 20K RMS (10K each)? 4g or 2 runs of 8g will be sufficient for SPL comps? Surprisingly I did not learn this answer from watching this video because SAU tends to cover all bases, so maybe I missed it.
(If someone wants to know what subs: 2 - 15" Fi Neo 4.11 w/ Omega option and stage 3 cooling rated 5K-7K RMS which is why I will be supplying them with 10K each, which doesn't necessarily mean they will receive 10K each, thanks to factors such "Impedance Rise").
SIDENOTE: And to think, almost a year ago I watched this video to learn what size of speaker wire my single Kicker L7S 12" needed for it's speaker wires, haha, or maybe it was when I had already upgraded to 2 L7Ss but regardless, I've learned A LOT and have come a long way within the last year mainly by learning as much as I could from car audio pros via RUclips such as this YT channel. So a big thanks to these guys.
[plug] For anyone interested in seeing my previous builds or my newest builds, feel free to check out my new/small/basic YT channel where I will be uploading much more content in 2021 in hopes of passing on accurate knowledge to my fellow bass-heads. Presently am building my 5th build in one year, starting from 1K RMS, 2K, 5K, 8K, to now 20K RMS :-D
dam time to put bigger wire on my sub 16 gauge isnt enough i wonder if thats y i smell burning every now and then
Yea me to bout to order some 8/0 awg for my subs.
@@junioro907 not sure of your budget but can you afford the 8/0 wire? Have you seen the legit price on that 8/0, plus I think you have to order it by the spool. The one I saw you couldn't just buy per foot. Bye bye paycheck lol. (Btw I know you were being sarcastic in your comment, I'm just saying the stuff is EXPENSIVE. Seems it'd be cheaper to run multiple runs of 1/0 or even 2/0)
Did you make this video today this morning?
Just to protect your investment and keep heat from building up because it's working harder to push the power through, buy the 8g. Nuff said
1/0 to 8 AWG from sky high car audio be like..... yea that looks solid XD
this videos fuckin rock my friend!!!!
I run 8 ofc 2 conductor to all my mids and highs n love the big time difference in power the speakers get try it
I’d like to see it run with 4 gauge speaker wire otherwise neat test
waste of money
herbyverstink there are several brands using 4 gauge speaker outputs and I’m pretty sure sundown has 4 gauge speaker terminals on their team subs. That being said 1 run of 4 gauge looks cleaner vs dual runs of 8 gauge to your box. Personally I have 1 run of 4 gauge to my smd speaker terminal and 8 gauge to the subs inside
@@dylanantunano9761 the G2 Audio Genesys subs use 4 awg terminals & that sub is only rated at 1200 rms. Its becoming more common to see 4 awg terminals on subwoofers.
Does a hotter amp perform your poor then a cold amp
Yes
Yes
Maybe try running test through a smd heavy duty speaker terminal. And see if there's any loss
I bet y’all 12 gauge is dam near equivalent to the stinger 8 ga cuz the stingern12 ga I have looks way smaller than y’all’s wire!
Remember this is not a real world daily pound fest in the summer
I'll just use 0 gauge on my interior speaker's!
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