Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast. 0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions: - Notion: notion.com - Indeed: indeed.com/lex to get $75 credit - MasterClass: masterclass.com/lex to get 15% off 3:38 - Empathy and reason 11:30 - Donald Trump 54:24 - Military industrial complex 58:58 - Twitter 1:23:05 - COVID 2:06:48 - Kanye West 2:23:24 - Platforming 2:41:21 - Joe Rogan 2:58:13 - Bret Weinstein 3:11:51 - Elon Musk 3:23:59 - Artificial Intelligence 3:40:01 - UFOs 3:53:16 - Free will 4:20:31 - Hope for the future
There is no point in arguing with an ideologue. Ideology is like the jealous god of Hebrew; it knows not of other gods. If Harris's ideology commands him to trample the truth, he will gladly oblige, no questions asked.
Sam Harris capacity to hold on a marathon long sentence all the while not making you lose touch of his thought process through borderline melodic harmonic wording is mind blowing to me
Absolutely true. We are bombarded with a mirade of mini information that fools us into thinking simplicity is the answer, where focus and logic would be the order of the day. It eats up time and slowly robs us of our ability to provide long and broad information about things. They're equal parts time wasters and infantility machines. And by that I mean stuff like twitter, facebook, tic toc but also stuff like reddit, 9gag or (and i'm aware of the irony) some comment sections on youtube.
People really do mock him for that but that’s okay. Let them focus on the wrong things in life, we will only fall into the abyss with them if we try to pull them out. I hope I can finally take my own advice and ignore them.😅
_This_ is why I listen to and respect (though not necessarily always agree with) both Lex Fridman and Sam Harris. The capacity to have insightful, engaging and sometimes difficult, conversations while still respecting one another is a very good thing to see / hear, and a very important skill - and virtue - to develop.
i haven't listened yet but i bet lex just ridiculously tried to defend rogan, weinsteins, etc., his blind spots. the man is smart but is incapable of seeing the bullshit with those people. all peace and love and understanding, but falls hard on the conspiracy excusing.
@mikeraphone3000 There has been a lot of unfounded hysteria among the media and americans in general about Trump but the term TDS is a silly overused term that's used way too much to shut down valid criticisms about Trump. What has Sam Harris said about Trump that you think deserves this label?
So good to hear a conversation like this. I hope Sam does go on Rogan again. I’ve gone from listening to most of Joe’s episodes to hardly listening at all anymore.
i hope he stays away, for his own good. Rogan disrespected Sam imo. and also, having Sam on should teach you something, joe didn't learn anything so whats the point.
I stopped watching when all he did was whine about LA and Covid. I hope that's over by now? It was really every damn episode the same whining and just got so sick of it.
I'm just confused cuz I really seems like he wants to completely forgive Trump for every stupid thing he's done He's done a lot more damage than good and it seems like he doesn't even want us to criticize it without giving him a big old hug first. I think Lexus speaking too much out of empathy, sure empathy is a real thing that we should consider but also we should consider all the negative effects that this tyrant actually has done to this country. He speaks that he wants to help unify our people but Trump has done nothing but separate us imaginably so, he needs to go to jail.
@@thecuriousape9712 while you're making Sam's point here, you can't seriously disconnect Trump completely from any responsibility in this. He was literally the president.
As primarily a lurker, I must say this podcast inspires me, gives me hope, and reminds me of how important it is to go forth with empathy and compassion for others. With so much negativity in today's world, it serves to me as a beacon of light in the ever-complex landscape of our civilization.
Yes very chill and understanding, like he said “hunter biden could literally have the corpses of children in his basement and I would have not cared” Very understanding indeed
It's not the Hunter Biden laptop story that bothered me. It's the coordination of intelligence agencies and tech companies to try and disappear the Hunter Biden laptop story that really bothered me. Was really hoping Lex would bring this up, but it sounds like he and Sam are just going to focus on the story itself and not the coverup, but I've not finished the whole podcast yet, so it's possible they came back to it later. I agree with Sam in not really caring that much about the contents of the laptop. What really bothers me is intelligence agencies giving tech companies a heads up about "Russian disinformation" about to be released, and then tech companies deciding no one should be allowed to see a legitimate news story. Don't mind me. Just shouting into the void.
Ummmm.. nobody cares at all about H. Biden’s laptop- except for flat-earthers and Q-Flakes. Any laptop story would get the old conspiracy remix from you people anyway.
@@quinntolchin5727 not according to joe rogan and trumpstans, they claim that there is a lot more to the laptop but have not been able to provide anything. Also everybody knows the cia/fbi manipulate the media we've already been through this in the 70's. Right wing nuts only mention it when it's convenient though, like you won't catch them making this big of a fuss about our terrorist campaigns we led in south america.
@@timfahey2560 If you watched this in full, and still think he is disconnected from reality - then you're completely delusional and have been well-and-truly taken by modern vices. Or, more-likely, you haven't watched it, but made up your mind when you saw a meme about him from inside your bubble.
Тhis guy is one of the most evil, way much more narcissistic than TRUMP, he contradicts himself all the time, n the evil just oozes out of him on any topic thru him literally lying about himself being this glorious virtue signaling super smart guy( he is educated on Islam great, but the hatred towards Islam even crosses that going for him), the egotistical center of Mr Harris is just soooo big that he can’t help himself but put himself in every lil thing he is talking about, he started with “ it’s ok to lie at times” n gives this unarguably horrible example, which shows how he manipulates everything that doesn’t add up by simply using sensitive examples that often have nothing to do with what he is talkin about! Like wtf is even listening to him or thinks he is smo to listen to at all🤮
You nailed it, especially with Sam. This is the ironic thing about him. You can't help but to agree to what Sam says, just to find out that he's a hypocrite the next second! Thanks Sam for having compassion for us as we have compassion for you in terms of how you see Brandon, who is likely twice the liar Trump is (not that I have much sympathy for trump). But really, if the FBI and the whole media harassed Biden as much as they did Trump, Biden would have long resigned if not worse! min 40:35.. btw Sam, we look more like a banana republic now, with no borders, crime up, crazy inflation, a side show administration (AKA Joe Rogan) hired all on equity and diversity, hardly anyone on merit!
@@nicks3350 Thats why sam is so good, he makes those of us that think things through and not go bashing out tweets feel like we are not alone in the world, nobody can be right about everything and the method and intention seems to be more important to me at least.
@@robmulally you know someone has thought through a point, when they can walk you through their thought process the way Sam does. Whether you agree with someone or not, that’s something worthy of respect. ✌️
You have no proof of that. I choose to believe he was built by Boston dynamics with chatgpt integration and fiber optic quantum D-wave hard-link cable hanging out of his booty.
One thing I respect from Lex that really elevates him above other interviewers is his ability & willingness to throw his perspective into a topic without dominating or steamrolling a difference of opinion by his guests. Like it or hate it, it's pretty easy to discern that Lex has a certain degree of adoration of Twitter and Musk. However, in level-headed fashion he allows his guest to speak, at-length, of why he finds Twitter to be a negative experience without suppressing or diminishing his points with faulty or belligerent logic. Not an easy thing to do as proven by how many "interviewers" are awful at this.
@@sirdiealot53every interviewer has a POV whether you hear it or not, the skill is in the acknowledgment of that and not letting it interfere in successful conversation
The "i love u elon" disclaimer at the beginning was telling of his opinions. Unfortunately Elon has proven he isn't immune to the runaway ego/narcissism that befalls every billionaire eventually. No human is equipped to handle that much power & sycophantic adoration, the pandemic seemed to be the catalyst that unleashed what we now see as the entitled conspiratorial lunatic that he is.
@@HarryMollyNut Lех kept trying to defend Elon where really there isn't any defence. the guy is just full of shit so much of the time on twitter. Not everything is debatable. His ignorance and arrogance are just so annoying. I suppose annoying isn't the worst part. its the damage he does by spreading this misinformation to such a large audience as Sam pointed out.
@@sirdiealot53 I felt that way a long time ago. However, more and more studies and analyses have made clear it's next to impossible to truly be bias free...some of the biggest crap peddlers are folks who claim to have "zero bias." It's a great hypothetical standard but one that doesn't really play out in the real world. The next best thing to an unrealistic standard is to wear those biases somewhat on your sleeve but demonstrably take lengths to keep them from impacting the freedom of your interviewee to respond openly and honestly. For as big of a fanboy with (IMO) some larger blind spots regarding Musk/Twitter as Lex is, it doesn't seem like his preferences result in interviewees being scared to express the opposite opinion. The pre-show apology/explanation to Musk is admittedly a bit cringe but also with Musk being fairly prone to temper-tantrums and lashing out prior to looking at situations in-depth (ironic given how much he complains about this behavior) it's fine by me to keep drama from potentially overshadowing a good interview.
what exactly is he doing? hes just a puppet for the inteligence agencies. You think him Joe Rogan and rest of the goofs are popular because the people benefit from them, yea right buddy keep dreaming. I wish sometimes that i was a child like you and Lex. This stupid fairy tale talk is insulting to the sane people of the world...
It wasn't a conversation; it was a monologue by Harris as Lex his too nice to pose questions to his friend. But, in Lex doing so, he let the mind of Sam Harris come completely out!
What an exceptional interview! Between Sam's clarity of dialogue and Lex's skepticism/challenging opinions, we get an absolute gem of a conversation. Sam's analogy regarding the expert pilot being the one we want to fly the plane really landed (no pun intended) -- such a brilliant and digestible way of conveying that point. I could listen to these two all day (and basically have after 4 hours 😅)
I dont see the analogy good at all. There are many flaws to it. First, Lex counter back with the a great analogy of the psychiatrist and depression which is so correct. Second, for the pilot analogy, here is my issues with it:- - what if the pilot started to aim the plane to hit a tall building? Should be unquestioned? - What if something unprecedented happened which the pilot doesn’t know what to do and he has to make a life or death bet? The pilot is making a decision based on his intuition, don’t you think a passenger should not have a vote or opinion betting on his own life?
@@abhikoolblue The pilot of the plane thing is an old analogy put out by Nome Chomsky, it's complete nonsense. You can only get 'experts' in areas that have been studied and perfected and that just doesn't apply to novel corona viruses. There WERE no experts, and many of the people who had some small qualification were shut out of the conversation. Quite honestly, I would have thought that a supposed intellect like Sam Harris could have come up with a more appropriate analogy....I certainly could have, and I admit to not being the sharpest crayon in the box. Frankly, I found his reasoning very suspect and can understand why some people would claim he is a shill, otherwise he's just having cognitive dissonance big time, and his ego wont allow him to admit he was completely wrong about most things covid.
@@corny5128 It's true that we didn't know everything we needed to know about Covid then, but Sam's point is that we need to put trust in expert virologists, or epidemiologists, over armchair experts, especially in a situation of crisis. It's not that the experts are guaranteed to have the best path forward, but they are much more likely to have the best path forward than someone who has no experience in the field. What's your analogy that works better than the plane analogy? I'd be interested to hear.
Lex, your perspective about a lack of communication is spot on. How can we not have a consistent believable perspective on so many of these important topics.
because people with insightful observations into the subject get ridiculed for having a contrary stance, this is a primal thing, just like its hard for people to approach a person to engage in conversation on the street (flirting or to make friends) the fear of being rejected by the person or group is going to be very hard to overcome. So the knowledge you posses (the expert) can benefit you and your closest friends but wont help the majority of people because talking to a large group is not your expertise. but then you have the "loud" experts in communication that blurt stuff out without having expertise in what they are communicating. (this comment was made by my observation on the world around me, no research)
Sam Harris seems fishy on the UFO issue... super super super fishy... he aint fooling me. I just want him to know that. I really hope he knows that he didn't fool me.
These are great conversations that really elevate our thinking. We all don’t have to agree with 100 percent of what each other says. We just need to keep listening and keep an open mind. This is like a therapeutic detox after the last six years of chaos, fear, mongering, and name calling.
It is very odd and true what you mean about necessary political detox. I watched "Reality" last evening (about Reality Winner; spoiler alert if you don't know the story) and the bottom falling out for this amazing soldier who was planning to reenlist in military service, was the fact that where she worked, they played Fox news ALL DAY LONG - right over their cubicles~! The bickering, dissention and misinformation being spewed out at that level daily sent even this amazingly disciplined person over the edge to where she felt she just had to get some information out there to set a record straight. It cost her everything. Everything! When you mention the chaos, it is what I think of - that awful feeling I'd get (subject myself to, actually). In her case, she and others had begged the company to pull the TV show and put on Discovery, pets - anything but Fox and politics. Too bad they didn't for her sake; she did make the country aware of some needed cyber-security updates in local election systems, but at a terrible price for herself. One can almost appreciate how some loonies get worked up and commit foul crimes. We live in a "chaos is click-bait" society worse than ever before and detox is essential on a regular basis. The show floored me, even though I knew most of the story. Worth the watch. godspeed.
The world needs Lex for his humility, his passion for all greats things about being human, his love, kindness and empathy towards everyone, and his drive for the search of the meaning of life. Love to you Lex who has love for all.
Watch people come and start tearing down this comment and Lex, like the ideas of humility and passion are somehow bad or disingenuous. How negative does your worldview have to be to have a such an aversion to the idea of humility
" I believe in the power of empathy, both in the elevator & when a bunch of people are listening " - Lex Friedman. That is the wisdom I have personally learned after an ego death experience! That is why Lex Friedman has a potential to change the world to a brighter image, a world that seems to be on a nightmare pill, a world full of noise, where individuals are becoming very opinionated, where everyone's cup is full ! A temporary experience of being an individual is my new understanding of life. Lex believes in the power of empathy, compassion & Love and he is not alone 🙏❤
It's so much fun when you do your own research into what experts have to say and find that two experts have radically different takes. I think doing your own research should mean applying critical thinking to the problem of who to trust in a sea of confusion.
@@atkhodier but there isn’t 99% agreement. Look at the Barrington declaration. These are all bright people who disagreed. Then you through in millions of dollars of influence. Who is correct and why?
@@atkhodier Except when the is something new like covid. Where 99 percent of scientist were wrong about the orgins of covid, to the deadliness of the virus, to how the virus is infecting people, how effective masks are, how to treat the virus, doctors sending people home cause they didn't want to treat with anything and saying come back when you can't breath, probably killing 100 of thousands of people because of it. Now 2 years later some scientist are finally admitting they fucked up and other still dismissing the truth. Covid did so much damage to the credibility of the medical and scientific community its might result in the deaths of millions of people when there is an actual deadly virus. If those communities told the truth and admitted they didn't know everything at the time. It's not hard to say we don't know, our best guesses are, things can change.
Doing your own research isnt a problem... The problem occurs when doing your own research for a few weeks makes you think you are an expert and going to tell others what they should do or think...
Supposedly he is more intelligent and wise than us, so this should not be a problem for him, yet he can't. He spent a lot of this episode deflect, twisting and still sticking to things he was wrong on.
I looked up to Sam for a large part of my life. And with this podcast I realize I still do. But the fact that he does not want to recognize Trump's many achievements shows me he's either dishonest or deluded on this area. Take the trade war with China that was overdue and continued by Biden. Take him asking Europe to spend more % GDP on military to defend themselves which is now common wisdom. Take Trump warning Germany on it's reliance on Russian energy that was laughed off. Take Trump's goal of protecting against illegal immigration, including drug cartels that is just fundamentally a good idea (borders should have a door. But you have to go through the door). Take his America First idea and bringing Apple and other Manufacturing back the the USA that is being continued by Biden now. Last but not least take the Hunter Biden Laptop Story that clearly showed how big tech and the state conspired to change the election. Yes the allegations of voter fraud was bogus. Yes Trump is a serial liar and many things Sam argues. But Trump.dis many important things and I don't know why Sam cannot acknowledge them in the pursuit of "truth".
@@trevbonez836 Maybe that people need to show their corruption to be counted as really corrupt. It feels like he only dislikes Trump for his narcism and the rest is just not as important to him.
I feel like Sam didn't watch any 3 of Bret's Dark Horse episodes about COVID in full, in a row. Because Bret was crazy consistent, open and honest, and mostly he was tracking the patterns of what ideas rose, how - like really specifically *how, in what ways* - were they challenged (or not) and under what circumstances the public opinion changed. And it was insanely consistent: Dishonest shillery in academics and the news. It was fucking freaky, and it still is, and IMO Bret's cases were and are air tight. As much as Sam wants to be like "yeah but you couldn't be that confident at that time," is EXACTLY the argument Bret was making about the vaccines, which was also true!! And Bret WASN'T confident about the lab leak theory up front, he just refused to take it off the table as a possibility, and he said it was like 8% likely at first. And very slowly and naturally over time, as evidence bubbled up, he raised and raised that until now, he's actually still not taken natural origin off the table either, but he's 95% sure it came from the lab, and that process of changing his mind was slow and natural, had you been there.
It reveals Sam's lack of something pretty essential regarding ability to think beyond narrative. For those of us who were listening to Martensen and looking at the inconsistencies, the doctors already having success with early treatment before they shut them down, the surgisphere story etc. How could a good serious critical thinker miss what was more than enough evidence early on.
So much wrong with this statement. Bret was making claims without any actual information. The vaccine was trialed and studied, Bret had NONE of that information and claimed there wasn't any. He claimed it was dangerous, are mRNA vaccines dangerous? I could go on and on, he parroted Ivermectin, is Ivermectin a cure for COVID?
@@contactkeithstack To bring in the NWO agenda. Climate change is the new massive push for digital ID and currency, all on the back of covid fear mongering and it's brutal restrictions and terrible policy. You must have heard the saying "You'll own nothing, have no privacy and you'll be happy..." It's happening as we speak.
This was one of the better Lex interviews. Sam was very patient and considered with his remarks. I feel Lex was wanting to see a band get back together again when things have obviously moved on and things will never be the same again. I hope the next time Sam comes on they can discuss the world and science without the gossip. Great stuff Lex! Keep ‘em coming 🎉
@@victorree7676 Lex has lost it. Trump has ushered in the Right Wing Revolution full force. Yeah he really "shook things up" While Lex is worried abt Kanye & Elon not being invited to the boy's club treehouse.
Lex is warming on me over time. I found him irritating at first (in an almost irrational way), but I kept coming back for more. His kind and thoughtful introduction bought me on him. You’re an important role model Lex. I also agree with civil discourse.
I was the same way. I think part of it, at least for me, was a kind of aversion to the suit and the background. Assuming things about a guy in a suit who went to Harvard/MIT.
If only there were a worldview that could make sense of the fact that we live in a universe of miracles… Lex should invite David Bentley Hart to his show
I disagree. No matter how many times I've given Sam a chance, he just falls short. He can't seem to feel genuine and not just someone stuck in his own ways.
@@MattWalkerTxranger totally agree, his rhetoric is awkward and stilted because, and this is just my opinion, he is constantly self sensoring as he speaks. Checking himself for 'wrong speak'.
@@GanjaDubstep Yea he kinda outed himself as a totalitarian, He believes it's okay to lie and cheat to get what you want if it suits his ideals. I used to enjoy Sam a lot but pushing the idea of ends justify the means makes the world a Rough place to live in.
As far as I can tell, he appears to be as pure and genuine as they get. It's always so refreshing, and that's regardless of who he spends half his day with. I write for a living --- mostly non-fiction but fiction as well --- and I can't dream up a Lex Fridman scandal for the life of me.
Sam's summit is a foothill, I'll take his witticisms like I take arsenic. Purely for medical reasons, there's a consensus that it brings the humors into balance. Gotta go, the doctor is here for my weekly blood letting!
@@globalzox lol Trump really did break his brain. I liked Sam when he talked about free-will, theology and psychology. Him and Jordan Peterson have gone crazy for politics. It's just not what I prefer to listen too 🤷♂️ your comment seems to insult my opinion. But it's just that, my preference as a consumer. Why attack it?
Sam Harris has been problematic on some important issues for me in the past and I stopped tuning into him for quite a while. But this conversation I'm reminded of how much I absolutely adore his brain. Harris is unmatched in conversation (now that Hitch is gone), and it's really the best way to fully appreciate his linguistic acumen, as opposed to an essay or individual podcast. I don't know what's typical for a LF upload, but more than a million views in a month for this one is respectable.
Lex didn't really dig deep at all. Sam laid out his ideas perfectly clearly and relatively concisely. Lex just had.... "uh maybe just try love man... empathy bro... who cares if they call you a cannibals child eating satan worshipping devil? just love broooooo, maybe you're a douchebag ever think of dat?"
We need to overcome polarisation by listening to someone with #trumpderangementsyndrome polarise people. #samharris literally said he didn't care if #hunterbiden was a pedophile as long as #trump was out.
The fact that Sam has so little self control to manage his use of Twitter speaks volumes. To use one of his own quotes "all of the odious bullsh*t" is a great description of him. Lex, great job as always remaing a voice of reason and asking great questions!
Lex did *not* ask great questions. Great questions would have been more difficult and pressing, and would not have allowed him to avoid answering the hard part without droning on forever. Your assessment of Sam is spot on though
@@agtsmith6798 😂 Jordan peterson went to rehab/therapy for that and got past it. Sam couldn't handle his addiction to Twitter so he nuked it but still puts Twitter posts on his Instagram. He's accused others of being addicted to it and made fun of others for thinking that Twitter is the digital public square, saying that only those addicted to Twitter think that. Not to mention that deflecting to someone else when someone calls out Sam is spineless and childish. Two wrongs don't make a who cares except yo mental midgets like yourself
@Agt Smith I've had clients prescribed benzos...and have violent reactions. When you are in a desperate situation you do what the doctors tell you...often to your demise....he learned the hard way. I'm just glad he survived.
@@sandraweber I have been prescribed benzos- I am also a a long term (current) opiate user due to a myriad of spinal issues and I would never blame drugs for a lack of self control. He (admittedly) took more than prescribed and made a conscious decision to play with fire. Don’t make excuses for a grown man with a god-complex.
Sam continues to be difficult listening. That's a good way of phrasing what it is to listen to him at the moment. I do not doubt his sincerity. I do not doubt his intelligence or his ability to learn most of what's necessary to speak on a matter. I do feel he is hedging his bets heavily, to be generous, and that he's being contradictory to a degree.
Don't be so hard on yourself, you're actually great at these interviews. I asked my CEO of my new job what his least/favorite was because you use that question and I love how it gets people talking
@@kinghazythethird asking a CEO that question as an employee is tricky for sure, I chose the business as a whole. He had an in depth answer on both parts and said he really liked the question. Said he'd heve to remember it
Love it! I'd like to hear you on Sam's podcast - your mutual respect and civil discussions about topics on which you disagree (however slightly) are fun to listen to and raise important questions to your audiences. Great interview, Lex. Love, Dom
3:00:07 knowing whether it was a lab leak WAS very important early, as this information could lead to further insight about how the virus was working and spreading so much. Hiding and banning talk on this point most likely killed people and delayed understanding helpful to resolution.
Sam never wanted to ban any speech. In fact, he talked about the lab leak hypothesis very early on. But he only made one or two podcasts about it, rather than 40.
I am 1 hour in this podcast and I just realized that is going to be much longer, and that gave me a happy feeling, cause I (maybe want to) belive in good, and belive that this two want to aim towards good.
Sam so clearly has nothing but good intentions. And seeing all the hate he gets from all the trump simps is very telling. I really am starting to “get” how the nazis got in power in Europe during that time. There’s a lot of bad / mentally challenged and easily manipulated people out there.
Me too but now i don't know anymore, too many things 'seems' to be but are not. It feels good but how do I know if true. Seeing other things . But i like you when listening to your words but i don't know you. From what I see and hear you are adorable human person. But i don't know you.
Just when you Loooooove Elon Musk so much, that is when i loose faith in you, even your face and smile radiate when you talk of him. I am sure you would marry him in two seconds. You stretched your smile one inch more than ever when you said his name Elon??? Doesn't seem normal this type of fascination/love in public places. That i don't understand. I don't know why you rub it on our faces. Do you feel more special because you are his friend? More than be friends with anybody else any human being part of humanity. Is he your 'favorite'? Then your opening statements is not true.
In regards to admitting mistakes or conceding that Brett (for example) was mostly correct, Sam always seems to take whichever logical route does the least damage to his own ego and reputation. While I still admire his capacity for superhuman logic and reason, he has revealed his base level humanness in his inability to confront the emotions surrounding humility and being absolutely wrong. “Oh… just a bit of myocarditis… just a bit of authoritarian overreach…just a bit of falsified data… just a bit of bank, government, big tech/pharma and media narrative manipulation/collusion… yeah no biggie… it’s fine now, and I was right in hindsight so we can move on. Brett did 100 podcast on Covid because of the massive amount of bullshit surrounding it, the current lack of acknowledgement by the supposed authorities who continue to gaslight us and pretend nothing was wrong because the “science changed”. And he should continue doing podcasts until those who were coerced and/or harmed by the mandates, measures and treatments receive some level of accountability. Why? Because if we move on and pretend nothing happened then next time will be far worse
And if we’re going to talk about expertise, Bret and Heather are both evolutionary biologists. Don’t tell me they would have less understanding of the the ramifications of an mRNA vaccine on populations, than the guy that doesn’t even realize he’s Hindu! 😂
Covid is probably the biggest story/catastrophe of our lifetime. Not just due to the health and mortality consequences, but our response, what could be learned and the fallout in our economy. Sam is dodging the importance of this issue and acting like it wasn’t critical to “sense make” during that period of time.
He did a couple of podcasts on it at relevant inflection points. It was hard to make sense of it. Bad information everywhere. He also did a podcast recently on leaks so I'm not sure I agree with you. Why do you feel he didn't try make sense of it? I think he did ?
@@robmulally he said in this podcast essentially we should "trust the experts" - despite the obvious conflicts of interest, and other experts in the exact fields you'd need to investigate who pointed out that the official narrative was at the very least suspicious- how is it sensemaking to ignore expert alternative viewpoints which challenge official narratives?
@@thesolarengineer Is that some sort of aerodynamic cordite? Forgive me, I'm not erudite enough to be familiar with it. As such, my opinion on the subject, or my ability to judge these people is probably not worth consideration
*correction, he did finally suggest he's 80% aligned to trumps policies. His largest issue seems to be his opinion of trumps impact on norms and the system. Most of us think "the system" is rigged by the same people bashing Trump the most.
Touchballs69... leaving out the 69 slightly downplays the absurdity. Probably the only person who needs to talk to Touchballs69 on the regular is his mom. And probably his school vice principal.
@@nicholaskoenig3106 He’s referring to actuality vs possibility. Perhaps possibility is useless if you are Laplase’s demon. Only actuality can exist and possibility is merely a useful tool to navigate in a world far more complex than the ape brain can decipher or understand.
Is he basically saying no other outcome than the actual outcome could have ever happened differently. If so, how do you guys deal with the nihilism this implies? Also, what about criminals? If murderer commits a murder then that means no other outcome could have been possible. Including his decision to commit the murder in the first place or his circumstances that led him to that point.
I quit social media for the same reason as Sam Harris. I started to notice I was deleting people that I cared about because I didn’t believe in what they believed in. Social media (facebook and twitter) are literally tearing this country and world apart . It makes me sad. They way to talk/debate with someone is in person. It’d easier to see the other persons point of view for sure
He did admit that he changed his mind on some things as new evidence came out. But just because some people say he’s wrong doesn’t mean that that accusation is correct.
@@luisb8394 How can this man call Trump a con-president??? People made more $ on their investments during his admin. then in the past 15yrs. He also brought industry/jobs back in. Meanwhile the Dems/Biden are sending the Ukraine Billions for a war that's not our problem, gas prices are insane, they want College kids to get full student loan relief and open our borders further so illegal immigrants continue to take our jobs. Trump would never stand for this utter trash. Dems and non-Trump believers are in denial, downright stupid and are so headstrong in their beliefs they can't admit their ignorance even when they're blatantly wrong
Sam's logic throughout this podcast in talking about the covid and trump thing can be summed as as something like: "Yes i was wrong, but at the time it was the most logical view, and therefore anyone who i disagreed with was wrong, even if they turned out to be right". I just don't understand how you get to this kind of logic while truly being self critical
He basically means what we are taught as children in math class - to show our working when giving a final answer. A broken clock is right twice a day...
@@jonesy2975 sure, except the people he’s been the most vicious with in his critique DID show their homework. His insistence that they didn’t is pathological at this point. He’s aggressively projecting some shadow self onto these people he keeps demeaning and now outright slandering. It’s abominable behaviour on his part.
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3:38 - Empathy and reason
11:30 - Donald Trump
54:24 - Military industrial complex
58:58 - Twitter
1:23:05 - COVID
2:06:48 - Kanye West
2:23:24 - Platforming
2:41:21 - Joe Rogan
2:58:13 - Bret Weinstein
3:11:51 - Elon Musk
3:23:59 - Artificial Intelligence
3:40:01 - UFOs
3:53:16 - Free will
4:20:31 - Hope for the future
Thanks Lex. Any chance you can get Mr. Dodd back on soon? That was such a wonderful conversation.
I guess Free Will is an illusion because my afternoon plans are now gone 😂 time to hunker down with a good conversation, thanks Lex ❤️
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There is no point in arguing with an ideologue. Ideology is like the jealous god of Hebrew; it knows not of other gods. If Harris's ideology commands him to trample the truth, he will gladly oblige, no questions asked.
Sam Harris said: He Wouldn't Care if Hunter Biden Had "Corpses of Children" in His Basement. - this troubles me
“I’m concerned we are in the process of entertaining ourselves to death” - such a true statement
That is probably the single most important thing uttered in this conversation. It's also what about 1/3 of this country misses.
@@pitpride1220 Who runs the entertainment industry?
@@JohnSmith-ds7oi Strange question. Are you asking if a certain ethno religious group is highly represented there?
Llmom. 😅
"it's a problem I've had with several other people ..that we might name.." do we know the names from Sam's past utterings?
Sam Harris capacity to hold on a marathon long sentence all the while not making you lose touch of his thought process through borderline melodic harmonic wording is mind blowing to me
Unlike JP's word salads
I find it manipulative and creepy.
@@djhaden4388 it's normal to have that response to superior social intellect
@@garyhamilton2104 bahahahahaha 😂😂😂😂
@@garyhamilton2104NO.......Sam's just a creep
28:34 “We’re in the process of entertaining ourselves to death, we are not taking things seriously…. Goofing around at scale…” he’s nailing it
Pretty dumb take from an extremely dumb guy. No, republicans are not seeking “entertainment”. What a disgusting, malicious statement
Good. We all die anyway, why not be distracted while we do it?
DFW's Infinite Jest is, among other things, his commentary on this idea
@@lookupverazhou8599cuz there are other people who suffers from our entertainment.
True , I believe most wish entertainment more than the result of their drama destroying this divided house as it falls
Harris about Twitter after quitting it : "..to the degree to which it fragmented my attention".. To me that says it all, about all social media
Absolutely true.
We are bombarded with a mirade of mini information that fools us into thinking simplicity is the answer, where focus and logic would be the order of the day. It eats up time and slowly robs us of our ability to provide long and broad information about things.
They're equal parts time wasters and infantility machines.
And by that I mean stuff like twitter, facebook, tic toc but also stuff like reddit, 9gag or (and i'm aware of the irony) some comment sections on youtube.
The damage of social media is much worse than we realize.
Lex I commend you for having the bravery to address the Touchballs69 vs Harris controversy
😂😂
Ha !
I’d love to see Harris debate Touchballs69. A veritable opponent!
Would have been funny if Touchballs69 had asked an eloquent and intelligent question.
@@AcrylicGoblin I’d argue it’s way funnier that he didn’t.. 😄
I hope Lex continues to follow the instinct to display empathy as an example and role model to viewers and listener. It’s extremely powerful.
Don't forget humility.
Consequences of his idea of empathy are mid af.
People really do mock him for that but that’s okay.
Let them focus on the wrong things in life, we will only fall into the abyss with them if we try to pull them out.
I hope I can finally take my own advice and ignore them.😅
You should really read the book Harris references here, "Against Empathy". Empathy is demonstrably overrated.
@@jayjayjigsbys as someone who disagrees significantly, I’ll check it out for sure. Thank you!
_This_ is why I listen to and respect (though not necessarily always agree with) both Lex Fridman and Sam Harris. The capacity to have insightful, engaging and sometimes difficult, conversations while still respecting one another is a very good thing to see / hear, and a very important skill - and virtue - to develop.
Same reason why I like Destiny as well. Top 3 rational hot-topic discussers.
Nothing in this episode that shows Sam being a good listener or insightful. He is an arrogant arse.
Tbh I think Harris absolutely annihilated lex on pretty much every contentious point.
i haven't listened yet but i bet lex just ridiculously tried to defend rogan, weinsteins, etc., his blind spots. the man is smart but is incapable of seeing the bullshit with those people. all peace and love and understanding, but falls hard on the conspiracy excusing.
@@juancsmix many believe the opposite so...
I don’t always agree with Sam, but always enjoy hearing his opinion.
@mikeraphone3000 There has been a lot of unfounded hysteria among the media and americans in general about Trump but the term TDS is a silly overused term that's used way too much to shut down valid criticisms about Trump. What has Sam Harris said about Trump that you think deserves this label?
@mikeraphone3000 Excuse my ignorance, but what does TDS stand for?
@mikeraphone3000 as he says, repeatedly, how can people not realize that Trump was a huge problem?
Yes
@mikeraphone3000 look forward to your answer on why you think Sam has the TDS label
So good to hear a conversation like this. I hope Sam does go on Rogan again. I’ve gone from listening to most of Joe’s episodes to hardly listening at all anymore.
Same.
Which episodes are the ones you are skipping? It's the comedians for me
I agree 100%. I think leaving LA also really cut down the options as far as guests go too.
i hope he stays away, for his own good. Rogan disrespected Sam imo. and also, having Sam on should teach you something, joe didn't learn anything so whats the point.
I stopped watching when all he did was whine about LA and Covid. I hope that's over by now? It was really every damn episode the same whining and just got so sick of it.
Lex‘s questions are top notch here. He is challenging him while still keeping the connection!
Comparing the ethics and morality of Biden and Trump is comparing apples.
@@LooseOrangeJuice stupidly abstract? Surely you could’ve come up with a better description than that
I'm just confused cuz I really seems like he wants to completely forgive Trump for every stupid thing he's done He's done a lot more damage than good and it seems like he doesn't even want us to criticize it without giving him a big old hug first.
I think Lexus speaking too much out of empathy, sure empathy is a real thing that we should consider but also we should consider all the negative effects that this tyrant actually has done to this country. He speaks that he wants to help unify our people but Trump has done nothing but separate us imaginably so, he needs to go to jail.
@@el.blanco552 Trump didn't do the damage, the system did the damage while trying to oppose Trump.
@@thecuriousape9712 while you're making Sam's point here, you can't seriously disconnect Trump completely from any responsibility in this. He was literally the president.
As primarily a lurker, I must say this podcast inspires me, gives me hope, and reminds me of how important it is to go forth with empathy and compassion for others. With so much negativity in today's world, it serves to me as a beacon of light in the ever-complex landscape of our civilization.
Nice
ChatGPT?
Nicely said, Lex.
@@napsam71 loool
You must be talking about lex .
We need more people like Sam in the world. So chill, relaxed, understanding and nice yet can draw a firm line on where people don't deserve attention.
Like the children getting massacred in Palestine, don't give them attention.
@@jameshayden26 no one said this. Nice strawman
Exactly
It's never mentioned but is what is on everyone's mind
Yes very chill and understanding, like he said “hunter biden could literally have the corpses of children in his basement and I would have not cared”
Very understanding indeed
It's not the Hunter Biden laptop story that bothered me. It's the coordination of intelligence agencies and tech companies to try and disappear the Hunter Biden laptop story that really bothered me. Was really hoping Lex would bring this up, but it sounds like he and Sam are just going to focus on the story itself and not the coverup, but I've not finished the whole podcast yet, so it's possible they came back to it later. I agree with Sam in not really caring that much about the contents of the laptop. What really bothers me is intelligence agencies giving tech companies a heads up about "Russian disinformation" about to be released, and then tech companies deciding no one should be allowed to see a legitimate news story.
Don't mind me. Just shouting into the void.
He just explained how it is, the big tech and government collusion. The censorship.
Ummmm.. nobody cares at all about H. Biden’s laptop- except for flat-earthers and Q-Flakes. Any laptop story would get the old conspiracy remix from you people anyway.
@Savior Money because there is a context around how the government media complex handled the situation. That is the story.
I agree with you Flynn, it’s an important point to remember
@@quinntolchin5727 not according to joe rogan and trumpstans, they claim that there is a lot more to the laptop but have not been able to provide anything. Also everybody knows the cia/fbi manipulate the media we've already been through this in the 70's. Right wing nuts only mention it when it's convenient though, like you won't catch them making this big of a fuss about our terrorist campaigns we led in south america.
Love seeing the two of you together and challenging each other's views
Sam Harris seems fishy on the UFO issue... super super super fishy... he aint fooling me. I just want him to know that.
Sam is just spot on on so many points
Hopefully you’ve had a vasectomy!
😂
No chance Sammy Boy is out of his league the intellectual men are at the table and Sammy is playing in the sandbox LOL
@danx1216 the way you talk is so cringe
Really Dan? @@danx1216
This is a truly beautiful conversation. Thank you both so much.
thank you for loving me -neil
We're not only living by clips, as evidenced by this *4.5 Hour* podcast
His disconnection from reality is breathtaking.
@@timfahey2560how is he disconnected? It’s delusional to say that social media doesn’t promote fragmentation of attention
@@Randomlycreatedbyme Wait. You’re arguing that social media doesn’t fragment our attention?
@@timfahey2560 If you watched this in full, and still think he is disconnected from reality - then you're completely delusional and have been well-and-truly taken by modern vices.
Or, more-likely, you haven't watched it, but made up your mind when you saw a meme about him from inside your bubble.
Тhis guy is one of the most evil, way much more narcissistic than TRUMP, he contradicts himself all the time, n the evil just oozes out of him on any topic thru him literally lying about himself being this glorious virtue signaling super smart guy( he is educated on Islam great, but the hatred towards Islam even crosses that going for him), the egotistical center of Mr Harris is just soooo big that he can’t help himself but put himself in every lil thing he is talking about, he started with “ it’s ok to lie at times” n gives this unarguably horrible example, which shows how he manipulates everything that doesn’t add up by simply using sensitive examples that often have nothing to do with what he is talkin about! Like wtf is even listening to him or thinks he is smo to listen to at all🤮
Sam's explanation of social media is spot on.
I've never agreed and disagreed with someone so much all at once. Thanks for the content Lex!
You summed it up perfectly.
It’s hard to argue with much of his logic, though!
@@nicks3350 absolutely!
You nailed it, especially with Sam. This is the ironic thing about him. You can't help but to agree to what Sam says, just to find out that he's a hypocrite the next second! Thanks Sam for having compassion for us as we have compassion for you in terms of how you see Brandon, who is likely twice the liar Trump is (not that I have much sympathy for trump). But really, if the FBI and the whole media harassed Biden as much as they did Trump, Biden would have long resigned if not worse! min 40:35.. btw Sam, we look more like a banana republic now, with no borders, crime up, crazy inflation, a side show administration (AKA Joe Rogan) hired all on equity and diversity, hardly anyone on merit!
@@nicks3350 Thats why sam is so good, he makes those of us that think things through and not go bashing out tweets feel like we are not alone in the world, nobody can be right about everything and the method and intention seems to be more important to me at least.
@@robmulally you know someone has thought through a point, when they can walk you through their thought process the way Sam does. Whether you agree with someone or not, that’s something worthy of respect. ✌️
Sam Harris is so right about Trump. He describes him almost exactly as I would describe him.
The more I watch Lex the more I like him as a human being.
You have no proof of that. I choose to believe he was built by Boston dynamics with chatgpt integration and fiber optic quantum D-wave hard-link cable hanging out of his booty.
I imagine that is the upgraded model!
One thing I respect from Lex that really elevates him above other interviewers is his ability & willingness to throw his perspective into a topic without dominating or steamrolling a difference of opinion by his guests. Like it or hate it, it's pretty easy to discern that Lex has a certain degree of adoration of Twitter and Musk. However, in level-headed fashion he allows his guest to speak, at-length, of why he finds Twitter to be a negative experience without suppressing or diminishing his points with faulty or belligerent logic. Not an easy thing to do as proven by how many "interviewers" are awful at this.
That's a sign of a bad interviewer. You shouldn't know the interviewer's POV, you're here for the interviewee.
@@sirdiealot53every interviewer has a POV whether you hear it or not, the skill is in the acknowledgment of that and not letting it interfere in successful conversation
The "i love u elon" disclaimer at the beginning was telling of his opinions. Unfortunately Elon has proven he isn't immune to the runaway ego/narcissism that befalls every billionaire eventually. No human is equipped to handle that much power & sycophantic adoration, the pandemic seemed to be the catalyst that unleashed what we now see as the entitled conspiratorial lunatic that he is.
@@HarryMollyNut Lех kept trying to defend Elon where really there isn't any defence. the guy is just full of shit so much of the time on twitter. Not everything is debatable. His ignorance and arrogance are just so annoying. I suppose annoying isn't the worst part. its the damage he does by spreading this misinformation to such a large audience as Sam pointed out.
@@sirdiealot53 I felt that way a long time ago. However, more and more studies and analyses have made clear it's next to impossible to truly be bias free...some of the biggest crap peddlers are folks who claim to have "zero bias." It's a great hypothetical standard but one that doesn't really play out in the real world.
The next best thing to an unrealistic standard is to wear those biases somewhat on your sleeve but demonstrably take lengths to keep them from impacting the freedom of your interviewee to respond openly and honestly. For as big of a fanboy with (IMO) some larger blind spots regarding Musk/Twitter as Lex is, it doesn't seem like his preferences result in interviewees being scared to express the opposite opinion.
The pre-show apology/explanation to Musk is admittedly a bit cringe but also with Musk being fairly prone to temper-tantrums and lashing out prior to looking at situations in-depth (ironic given how much he complains about this behavior) it's fine by me to keep drama from potentially overshadowing a good interview.
You are a unique voice in the world today, Lex. Never stop doing what you do. World needs more of you.
John your name is not unique but you are unique
@@CRWeaventure Undeserved praise... Thanks.
what exactly is he doing? hes just a puppet for the inteligence agencies. You think him Joe Rogan and rest of the goofs are popular because the people benefit from them, yea right buddy keep dreaming. I wish sometimes that i was a child like you and Lex. This stupid fairy tale talk is insulting to the sane people of the world...
@@saninmw3 Cool conspiracy dude. You should let Joe and Alex jones know about it
@@CRWeaventure ???
Hitch is the wrecking ball you send in to clear out the slums, Harris is the architect that puts solid houses up afterwards.
I've been waiting for someone to have this conversation with Sam for about two years now. Thanks Lex.
It wasn't a conversation; it was a monologue by Harris as Lex his too nice to pose questions to his friend. But, in Lex doing so, he let the mind of Sam Harris come completely out!
🔥
Conversation about what?
@@gregmoore167 and it showed how sophisticatedly dumb Sam really is.
"I see dead children......and I don't give a monkeys".
Samuel 'what a strange little man' Harris.
What an exceptional interview! Between Sam's clarity of dialogue and Lex's skepticism/challenging opinions, we get an absolute gem of a conversation. Sam's analogy regarding the expert pilot being the one we want to fly the plane really landed (no pun intended) -- such a brilliant and digestible way of conveying that point. I could listen to these two all day (and basically have after 4 hours 😅)
it appears that sam is a goddamn moron
Exactly, yet many of the people still can't seem to understand his point. You just can't abandon the pilot in any case of turbulence.
I dont see the analogy good at all. There are many flaws to it.
First, Lex counter back with the a great analogy of the psychiatrist and depression which is so correct.
Second, for the pilot analogy, here is my issues with it:-
- what if the pilot started to aim the plane to hit a tall building? Should be unquestioned?
- What if something unprecedented happened which the pilot doesn’t know what to do and he has to make a life or death bet? The pilot is making a decision based on his intuition, don’t you think a passenger should not have a vote or opinion betting on his own life?
@@abhikoolblue The pilot of the plane thing is an old analogy put out by Nome Chomsky, it's complete nonsense. You can only get 'experts' in areas that have been studied and perfected and that just doesn't apply to novel corona viruses. There WERE no experts, and many of the people who had some small qualification were shut out of the conversation. Quite honestly, I would have thought that a supposed intellect like Sam Harris could have come up with a more appropriate analogy....I certainly could have, and I admit to not being the sharpest crayon in the box. Frankly, I found his reasoning very suspect and can understand why some people would claim he is a shill, otherwise he's just having cognitive dissonance big time, and his ego wont allow him to admit he was completely wrong about most things covid.
@@corny5128 It's true that we didn't know everything we needed to know about Covid then, but Sam's point is that we need to put trust in expert virologists, or epidemiologists, over armchair experts, especially in a situation of crisis. It's not that the experts are guaranteed to have the best path forward, but they are much more likely to have the best path forward than someone who has no experience in the field. What's your analogy that works better than the plane analogy? I'd be interested to hear.
Lex, your perspective about a lack of communication is spot on. How can we not have a consistent believable perspective on so many of these important topics.
yeah we have all the means of instant communication yet we cant seem to figure out the how to communicate.
This is why Lex makes so long podcasts. When you thought about 50 points in one time you can not see truce and lie
because people with insightful observations into the subject get ridiculed for having a contrary stance, this is a primal thing, just like its hard for people to approach a person to engage in conversation on the street (flirting or to make friends) the fear of being rejected by the person or group is going to be very hard to overcome. So the knowledge you posses (the expert) can benefit you and your closest friends but wont help the majority of people because talking to a large group is not your expertise. but then you have the "loud" experts in communication that blurt stuff out without having expertise in what they are communicating. (this comment was made by my observation on the world around me, no research)
Sam Harris seems fishy on the UFO issue... super super super fishy... he aint fooling me. I just want him to know that. I really hope he knows that he didn't fool me.
These are great conversations that really elevate our thinking. We all don’t have to agree with 100 percent of what each other says. We just need to keep listening and keep an open mind. This is like a therapeutic detox after the last six years of chaos, fear, mongering, and name calling.
It is very odd and true what you mean about necessary political detox. I watched "Reality" last evening (about Reality Winner; spoiler alert if you don't know the story) and the bottom falling out for this amazing soldier who was planning to reenlist in military service, was the fact that where she worked, they played Fox news ALL DAY LONG - right over their cubicles~! The bickering, dissention and misinformation being spewed out at that level daily sent even this amazingly disciplined person over the edge to where she felt she just had to get some information out there to set a record straight. It cost her everything. Everything! When you mention the chaos, it is what I think of - that awful feeling I'd get (subject myself to, actually). In her case, she and others had begged the company to pull the TV show and put on Discovery, pets - anything but Fox and politics. Too bad they didn't for her sake; she did make the country aware of some needed cyber-security updates in local election systems, but at a terrible price for herself. One can almost appreciate how some loonies get worked up and commit foul crimes. We live in a "chaos is click-bait" society worse than ever before and detox is essential on a regular basis. The show floored me, even though I knew most of the story. Worth the watch. godspeed.
Too bad he refused to have this conversation years ago.
Was looking forward to the battle of the monotones, part 2. Cant wait!
Every time Lex says "Love" take a shot.
at whom? xD
lmao
ohhh kah dis ofd tuh muhsh? huh? shnacks
💀💀💀
every time Sam says "right" take a shot
Lex remember that the qualities you described of yourself in the intro are also what makes you such an endearing person ❤️
no shit..?
@@genesises you seem like a virgin taking it out on random people on the Internet. Sort that out
@@tmkkxx101 right back at ya, poor knight 😂
Sam Harris is such an inspiration for me. Thanks for interviewing this great mind.
He has a great mind and he KNOWS it.
It’s nauseating.
Lex has a great mind too.
HUMILITY might help Sam.
Lol you act like Sam Harris has the ego of Kanye or Donald.
He’s plenty humble for his time spent thinking on these topics.
@thatstheway2429 he's more arrogant than DT.
Lex, could you include "book recommendations" in your questions again?
Yes!
The world needs Lex for his humility, his passion for all greats things about being human, his love, kindness and empathy towards everyone, and his drive for the search of the meaning of life.
Love to you Lex who has love for all.
perfectly said!
actuated humility? yeah... could be...
Watch people come and start tearing down this comment and Lex, like the ideas of humility and passion are somehow bad or disingenuous. How negative does your worldview have to be to have a such an aversion to the idea of humility
@JM27 Not everyone thinks humility and morals are as useful as people like you do. Is that really so difficult to understand?
@@LotusHart01 idk man... seems fake... humility as an entertainment.. he gives you just what you like to see
Please have Sam on again soon. I could listen to him for ever
" I believe in the power of empathy, both in the elevator & when a bunch of people are listening " - Lex Friedman. That is the wisdom I have personally learned after an ego death experience! That is why Lex Friedman has a potential to change the world to a brighter image, a world that seems to be on a nightmare pill, a world full of noise, where individuals are becoming very opinionated, where everyone's cup is full ! A temporary experience of being an individual is my new understanding of life. Lex believes in the power of empathy, compassion & Love and he is not alone 🙏❤
He's more like a naïve child.
It's so much fun when you do your own research into what experts have to say and find that two experts have radically different takes. I think doing your own research should mean applying critical thinking to the problem of who to trust in a sea of confusion.
That’s why you gotta research have faith in our institutions and go with what 99 percent of scientists think.
@@atkhodier but there isn’t 99% agreement. Look at the Barrington declaration. These are all bright people who disagreed. Then you through in millions of dollars of influence. Who is correct and why?
@@atkhodier Except when the is something new like covid. Where 99 percent of scientist were wrong about the orgins of covid, to the deadliness of the virus, to how the virus is infecting people, how effective masks are, how to treat the virus, doctors sending people home cause they didn't want to treat with anything and saying come back when you can't breath, probably killing 100 of thousands of people because of it. Now 2 years later some scientist are finally admitting they fucked up and other still dismissing the truth. Covid did so much damage to the credibility of the medical and scientific community its might result in the deaths of millions of people when there is an actual deadly virus. If those communities told the truth and admitted they didn't know everything at the time. It's not hard to say we don't know, our best guesses are, things can change.
Doing your own research isnt a problem... The problem occurs when doing your own research for a few weeks makes you think you are an expert and going to tell others what they should do or think...
No one cares that you did "research" we want to know the details of what you researched.
Lex fully embracing the long format. Going to have to set aside a day for this one :)
The brilliant, sensible Sam Harris , thank you for all you do and say.
You are kidding. He is such a lazy thinker
I think Sam's ego is obstructing his ability to assess the past in an honest way, but that's pretty much true of every person.
Sam is truly the worst 🤮
Supposedly he is more intelligent and wise than us, so this should not be a problem for him, yet he can't. He spent a lot of this episode deflect, twisting and still sticking to things he was wrong on.
@@mineshjogia9945 for example?
I looked up to Sam for a large part of my life. And with this podcast I realize I still do. But the fact that he does not want to recognize Trump's many achievements shows me he's either dishonest or deluded on this area. Take the trade war with China that was overdue and continued by Biden. Take him asking Europe to spend more % GDP on military to defend themselves which is now common wisdom. Take Trump warning Germany on it's reliance on Russian energy that was laughed off. Take Trump's goal of protecting against illegal immigration, including drug cartels that is just fundamentally a good idea (borders should have a door. But you have to go through the door). Take his America First idea and bringing Apple and other Manufacturing back the the USA that is being continued by Biden now. Last but not least take the Hunter Biden Laptop Story that clearly showed how big tech and the state conspired to change the election. Yes the allegations of voter fraud was bogus. Yes Trump is a serial liar and many things Sam argues. But Trump.dis many important things and I don't know why Sam cannot acknowledge them in the pursuit of "truth".
@@trevbonez836 Maybe that people need to show their corruption to be counted as really corrupt.
It feels like he only dislikes Trump for his narcism and the rest is just not as important to him.
When Sam is on Lex, I’m tuned in with both headphones. Friends I won’t be available for 4 hours . I’m locked in
Reunion of Monotones. Happy to hear them for 4.5 hours
Helps me sleep.
Sam’s articulate way of speaking is so inspiring to me
Oh damn, dropping an all-topic-inclusive 4,5h talk with Sam is definitely what I needed today. Thank you @lexfridman !
Lex, you are such a gift to the world. A shining light. So much love for you!
I feel like Sam didn't watch any 3 of Bret's Dark Horse episodes about COVID in full, in a row. Because Bret was crazy consistent, open and honest, and mostly he was tracking the patterns of what ideas rose, how - like really specifically *how, in what ways* - were they challenged (or not) and under what circumstances the public opinion changed. And it was insanely consistent: Dishonest shillery in academics and the news. It was fucking freaky, and it still is, and IMO Bret's cases were and are air tight. As much as Sam wants to be like "yeah but you couldn't be that confident at that time," is EXACTLY the argument Bret was making about the vaccines, which was also true!! And Bret WASN'T confident about the lab leak theory up front, he just refused to take it off the table as a possibility, and he said it was like 8% likely at first. And very slowly and naturally over time, as evidence bubbled up, he raised and raised that until now, he's actually still not taken natural origin off the table either, but he's 95% sure it came from the lab, and that process of changing his mind was slow and natural, had you been there.
Anyone that doesn't realize we were lied to and manipulated on purpose by now shouldn't be referred to as an intellectual or an intelligent person.
@@dhokanson55 why were we lied to?
It reveals Sam's lack of something pretty essential regarding ability to think beyond narrative. For those of us who were listening to Martensen and looking at the inconsistencies, the doctors already having success with early treatment before they shut them down, the surgisphere story etc. How could a good serious critical thinker miss what was more than enough evidence early on.
So much wrong with this statement. Bret was making claims without any actual information. The vaccine was trialed and studied, Bret had NONE of that information and claimed there wasn't any. He claimed it was dangerous, are mRNA vaccines dangerous? I could go on and on, he parroted Ivermectin, is Ivermectin a cure for COVID?
@@contactkeithstack To bring in the NWO agenda. Climate change is the new massive push for digital ID and currency, all on the back of covid fear mongering and it's brutal restrictions and terrible policy.
You must have heard the saying "You'll own nothing, have no privacy and you'll be happy..."
It's happening as we speak.
This was one of the better Lex interviews. Sam was very patient and considered with his remarks. I feel Lex was wanting to see a band get back together again when things have obviously moved on and things will never be the same again. I hope the next time Sam comes on they can discuss the world and science without the gossip. Great stuff Lex! Keep ‘em coming 🎉
Haha.. moving on from folks like Kanye.Forunately I think the world has moved on.. West not worth our attention
Sam had to be patient, as Lex is completely immune to facts and common sense.
@@victorree7676 Lex has lost it. Trump has ushered in the Right Wing Revolution full force. Yeah he really "shook things up" While Lex is worried abt Kanye & Elon not being invited to the boy's club treehouse.
What a delight. I just finished rewatching the first podcast you did with him and I was left wanting more.
Lex is warming on me over time. I found him irritating at first (in an almost irrational way), but I kept coming back for more. His kind and thoughtful introduction bought me on him. You’re an important role model Lex. I also agree with civil discourse.
I was the same way. I think part of it, at least for me, was a kind of aversion to the suit and the background. Assuming things about a guy in a suit who went to Harvard/MIT.
same here,
"It's the miracle that the universe is illuminated to itself, as it self, where you sit."
Very profound and I think another one of Sam's great quotes.
If only there were a worldview that could make sense of the fact that we live in a universe of miracles… Lex should invite David Bentley Hart to his show
Sam Harris. Calm, deliberate and reinforcing of his assertions when asked a question. Stark contrast to most talking heads of modern times.
Any 4:27:45 long talk with Sam Harris, I'm down for.
Yeah, I happily listened to whole thing.
Man, the free will bit was the best part of the podcast. Hearing Sam talk about mindfulness and similar topics is where he truly shines…
Believes in free will yet he believes Trump and Kanye shouldn't have a platform to speak.
@@lightbear939 Sam Harris does not believe in free will.
Pfff
I disagree. No matter how many times I've given Sam a chance, he just falls short. He can't seem to feel genuine and not just someone stuck in his own ways.
@@MattWalkerTxranger totally agree, his rhetoric is awkward and stilted because, and this is just my opinion, he is constantly self sensoring as he speaks. Checking himself for 'wrong speak'.
people like sam and brett need to keep talking, im sick of the good people turning from one another
Sam is not good. He's crazy.
There is no such a thing as good people just animals that need to be put on leash and sat in their cages.
@@edgarbenjoseph3879 did i miss some incedent? (Honest question)
@@GanjaDubstep Yea he kinda outed himself as a totalitarian, He believes it's okay to lie and cheat to get what you want if it suits his ideals. I used to enjoy Sam a lot but pushing the idea of ends justify the means makes the world a Rough place to live in.
@@kalynnmiller1583 he was wiping fkn packages!!
You're doing good work, Lex. The conversations are valuable.
1:34:39 Well said Lex. This is a very arduous topic and thank you for your efforts to find meaning to this experience they call “life”.
You're consistent and steadfast with who you are Lex. It's admirable
As far as I can tell, he appears to be as pure and genuine as they get. It's always so refreshing, and that's regardless of who he spends half his day with. I write for a living --- mostly non-fiction but fiction as well --- and I can't dream up a Lex Fridman scandal for the life of me.
One of the best interviews I've heard in ages!
It's podcast
I never tire of listening to Sam Harris.
Thank goodness we have Lex and the long form interview over time the real person emerges and I don’t feel it’s flattering to Sam
Agreed
Lex has the best podcast on the internet! Keep doing you Lex!
Lex, you just have the ability to get the best out of anyone!
With Sam Harris, that's saying a lot
Sam Harris changed my perspective so much. Sam might be the reason my mind even seeks out Lex Fridman at this point. Funny how dynamic life is
“There’s no reason to think that we are at the summit of intelligence”. Well said Sam
I'm sure his summit involves the Eagle's nest. You know, with how much he prefers genocide to a business school.
Sam's summit is a foothill, I'll take his witticisms like I take arsenic. Purely for medical reasons, there's a consensus that it brings the humors into balance.
Gotta go, the doctor is here for my weekly blood letting!
We might be at the nadir judging by Sam.
It’s actually even worse, I would say creativity is less than average today. All Roads lead to Rome. DEI is a creativity killer.
A very average thought, said slightly more poetically than usual
One of the few Lex podcasts I had to stop listening too an hour in lol
Sorry free speech and rational discussion was too hard for you to deal with
@@globalzox lol Trump really did break his brain. I liked Sam when he talked about free-will, theology and psychology. Him and Jordan Peterson have gone crazy for politics. It's just not what I prefer to listen too 🤷♂️ your comment seems to insult my opinion. But it's just that, my preference as a consumer. Why attack it?
@@globalzox free speech isn't the issue. It's just that I'm not sure if Sam is capable of having a good take on anything.
@@globalzox I’m genuinely curious as to how you see Sam as rational?
@@michaelperera4195 What did he say that’s irrational?
Your intro was wonderful... Everyone needs to do some growing up, all of us.
Yeah. Like growing up out of thinking you know what's best for everyone
And start using critical thinking again
Please don't stay young with us!
@@SameAsAnyOtherStranger like growing out of memes and simpleton thinking provided to you courtesy of your favorite social media fix
Sam Harris has been problematic on some important issues for me in the past and I stopped tuning into him for quite a while. But this conversation I'm reminded of how much I absolutely adore his brain. Harris is unmatched in conversation (now that Hitch is gone), and it's really the best way to fully appreciate his linguistic acumen, as opposed to an essay or individual podcast. I don't know what's typical for a LF upload, but more than a million views in a month for this one is respectable.
I think this is my favorite episode yet. You both dig deep into how we need to overcome this ever increasing polarization. Critically important.
Lex didn't really dig deep at all. Sam laid out his ideas perfectly clearly and relatively concisely. Lex just had.... "uh maybe just try love man... empathy bro... who cares if they call you a cannibals child eating satan worshipping devil? just love broooooo, maybe you're a douchebag ever think of dat?"
We need to overcome polarisation by listening to someone with #trumpderangementsyndrome polarise people. #samharris literally said he didn't care if #hunterbiden was a pedophile as long as #trump was out.
Sam is less defensive with Lex than he is with other interviewers because Lex is so goddamn lovable.
It's because they are both Jews
Defensiveness is the weakness that at times reveals a lack of honesty
Less defensive meaning not blocking someone who points out that he's wrong about something
@@meissnerflux Wrong about what?
Be very careful, Lex.
Awesome! Love the Scientific thought & Philosophy with Free rigorous discussion... a great time to be alive fella's. !
The fact that Sam has so little self control to manage his use of Twitter speaks volumes. To use one of his own quotes "all of the odious bullsh*t" is a great description of him. Lex, great job as always remaing a voice of reason and asking great questions!
Lex did *not* ask great questions. Great questions would have been more difficult and pressing, and would not have allowed him to avoid answering the hard part without droning on forever. Your assessment of Sam is spot on though
What about Jordan Peterson showing NO self control when he became a junkie? Peterson never owned up to it- his drug abuse was always self-justified.
@@agtsmith6798 😂 Jordan peterson went to rehab/therapy for that and got past it. Sam couldn't handle his addiction to Twitter so he nuked it but still puts Twitter posts on his Instagram. He's accused others of being addicted to it and made fun of others for thinking that Twitter is the digital public square, saying that only those addicted to Twitter think that.
Not to mention that deflecting to someone else when someone calls out Sam is spineless and childish. Two wrongs don't make a who cares except yo mental midgets like yourself
@Agt Smith I've had clients prescribed benzos...and have violent reactions. When you are in a desperate situation you do what the doctors tell you...often to your demise....he learned the hard way. I'm just glad he survived.
@@sandraweber I have been prescribed benzos- I am also a a long term (current) opiate user due to a myriad of spinal issues and I would never blame drugs for a lack of self control. He (admittedly) took more than prescribed and made a conscious decision to play with fire. Don’t make excuses for a grown man with a god-complex.
Great podcast Lex! Respectful and considered. Sam continues to be difficult listening but the brain of Lex remains assuredly unbroken 👏
Sam continues to be difficult listening.
That's a good way of phrasing what it is to listen to him at the moment.
I do not doubt his sincerity.
I do not doubt his intelligence or his ability to learn most of what's necessary to speak on a matter.
I do feel he is hedging his bets heavily, to be generous, and that he's being contradictory to a degree.
Don't be so hard on yourself, you're actually great at these interviews. I asked my CEO of my new job what his least/favorite was because you use that question and I love how it gets people talking
I'm just getting started. Don't want to miss that part do you remember around what time
@@StarWarsLoreseeker wasn't I. This video, but if watch his other videos you can see it's a common question he asks
What’s his least/favorite what? Seemed like you stopped mid sentence
@@kinghazythethird asking a CEO that question as an employee is tricky for sure, I chose the business as a whole. He had an in depth answer on both parts and said he really liked the question. Said he'd heve to remember it
@@BobcatWolfenstein this doesn’t make any sense, what’s the question , your sentence is incomplete
Love it! I'd like to hear you on Sam's podcast - your mutual respect and civil discussions about topics on which you disagree (however slightly) are fun to listen to and raise important questions to your audiences. Great interview, Lex.
Love, Dom
3:00:07 knowing whether it was a lab leak WAS very important early, as this information could lead to further insight about how the virus was working and spreading so much. Hiding and banning talk on this point most likely killed people and delayed understanding helpful to resolution.
Precisely that.
Sam never wanted to ban any speech. In fact, he talked about the lab leak hypothesis very early on. But he only made one or two podcasts about it, rather than 40.
@@TheAlibabatree which is even more of a testament to his bias.
@@cl1489 How so?
The first time I learned of the good case for the lab leak theory was from Sam Harris's podcast, so he's never been dogmatic on this topic
I am 1 hour in this podcast and I just realized that is going to be much longer, and that gave me a happy feeling, cause I (maybe want to) belive in good, and belive that this two want to aim towards good.
Sam so clearly has nothing but good intentions. And seeing all the hate he gets from all the trump simps is very telling. I really am starting to “get” how the nazis got in power in Europe during that time. There’s a lot of bad / mentally challenged and easily manipulated people out there.
Lex, I really appreciate your 3 1/2 minute introduction to this video. Very kind, inspiring, and generous.
Completely agree, Andy. Thank you for saying so.
I felt your opening statement in my heart. Thank you Mr. Fridman, I feel the same way you do ❤
He really knows how to commodify humility, I'll give him that.
Me too but now i don't know anymore, too many things 'seems' to be but are not. It feels good but how do I know if true. Seeing other things . But i like you when listening to your words but i don't know you. From what I see and hear you are adorable human person. But i don't know you.
Just when you Loooooove Elon Musk so much, that is when i loose faith in you, even your face and smile radiate when you talk of him. I am sure you would marry him in two seconds. You stretched your smile one inch more than ever when you said his name Elon??? Doesn't seem normal this type of fascination/love in public places. That i don't understand. I don't know why you rub it on our faces. Do you feel more special because you are his friend?
More than be friends with anybody else any human being part of humanity. Is he your 'favorite'?
Then your opening statements is not true.
You guys are slow even on 2x lmao
😂😂😂
Such low energy
4 hours of this=8 hours real time
🤣🤣🤣 funny
Lol, welcome to the Lex Fridman podcast 😂
A few Podcasts after your last one with Sam you did one with Daniel Schmachtenberger. Would love to hear from him again on your podcast :)
Be honest, you copy pasted that name.
That would be great.
Almost at the 3 hour mark of continuous listening. Not bored yet-lot of things don't agree with Sam, but he's always super stimulating.
just curious, what do you not agree with of Sams points of view
A simple thank you for the lesson of civil conversation that we all need in these crazy times :) love and respect Mr Fridman !
We need more people like Lex in this gruesome world we live in...
In regards to admitting mistakes or conceding that Brett (for example) was mostly correct, Sam always seems to take whichever logical route does the least damage to his own ego and reputation.
While I still admire his capacity for superhuman logic and reason, he has revealed his base level humanness in his inability to confront the emotions surrounding humility and being absolutely wrong.
“Oh… just a bit of myocarditis… just a bit of authoritarian overreach…just a bit of falsified data… just a bit of bank, government, big tech/pharma and media narrative manipulation/collusion… yeah no biggie… it’s fine now, and I was right in hindsight so we can move on.
Brett did 100 podcast on Covid because of the massive amount of bullshit surrounding it, the current lack of acknowledgement by the supposed authorities who continue to gaslight us and pretend nothing was wrong because the “science changed”. And he should continue doing podcasts until those who were coerced and/or harmed by the mandates, measures and treatments receive some level of accountability.
Why? Because if we move on and pretend nothing happened then next time will be far worse
Spot on
💯🎯
And if we’re going to talk about expertise, Bret and Heather are both evolutionary biologists. Don’t tell me they would have less understanding of the the ramifications of an mRNA vaccine on populations, than the guy that doesn’t even realize he’s Hindu! 😂
very well said
Bret invited Sam to talk about covid and as we can see he refused or ignored him
I want to thank touchballs69 for asking the most relevant question.
Covid is probably the biggest story/catastrophe of our lifetime. Not just due to the health and mortality consequences, but our response, what could be learned and the fallout in our economy. Sam is dodging the importance of this issue and acting like it wasn’t critical to “sense make” during that period of time.
Yes
He did a couple of podcasts on it at relevant inflection points. It was hard to make sense of it. Bad information everywhere. He also did a podcast recently on leaks so I'm not sure I agree with you. Why do you feel he didn't try make sense of it? I think he did ?
@@robmulally he said in this podcast essentially we should "trust the experts" - despite the obvious conflicts of interest, and other experts in the exact fields you'd need to investigate who pointed out that the official narrative was at the very least suspicious- how is it sensemaking to ignore expert alternative viewpoints which challenge official narratives?
I love how Sam has "4chanification" and "pepe the frog" in his vocabulary. We truly live in a strange society lol.
Yeah even stranger that people still hold this clown in high standard.
I am now of the belief that Ben Stiller is more aerodite than Ham Sarris
@@thesolarengineer
Is that some sort of aerodynamic cordite?
Forgive me, I'm not erudite enough to be familiar with it.
As such, my opinion on the subject, or my ability to judge these people is probably not worth consideration
@@simhaari omg. That's what you get using speech to text and you don't double check. Right hand slap well deserved, sir 👍👍👍
And "Trumpistan"
Sam makes you understand why D&D has different stats for wisdom and intelligence.
LOL. Excellent.
@@KLP368 He's saying Sam is intelligent, but lacks insight and understanding, and therefore lacks wisdom.
Sam is definitely both
Lol 10/10
@@patrickmeagher6914 wrong
*correction, he did finally suggest he's 80% aligned to trumps policies.
His largest issue seems to be his opinion of trumps impact on norms and the system. Most of us think "the system" is rigged by the same people bashing Trump the most.
"That was one minute to midnight for our democracy"
Michael Malice (in my head): We were within one minute guys, that's another white pill.
haha So close!!
@@lawrencegatley6157 But without democracy, who would vote away the rights of our children???
I'm with Michael
"I don't have to hear from Touchballs on the regular" 😂 never thought that would be a sentence Sam would ever utter
Touchballs69... leaving out the 69 slightly downplays the absurdity.
Probably the only person who needs to talk to Touchballs69 on the regular is his mom. And probably his school vice principal.
The last part about possibility and actuallity as an extension from the illusion of free will intrigued me. I would love to hear more on the topic.
You know Sam has a podcast right?
Did you read his book on The Issusion if Free Will? #excelentliterature #brainscience
@@nicholaskoenig3106 So close
@@nicholaskoenig3106 He’s referring to actuality vs possibility. Perhaps possibility is useless if you are Laplase’s demon. Only actuality can exist and possibility is merely a useful tool to navigate in a world far more complex than the ape brain can decipher or understand.
Is he basically saying no other outcome than the actual outcome could have ever happened differently. If so, how do you guys deal with the nihilism this implies? Also, what about criminals? If murderer commits a murder then that means no other outcome could have been possible. Including his decision to commit the murder in the first place or his circumstances that led him to that point.
I quit social media for the same reason as Sam Harris. I started to notice I was deleting people that I cared about because I didn’t believe in what they believed in. Social media (facebook and twitter) are literally tearing this country and world apart . It makes me sad. They way to talk/debate with someone is in person. It’d easier to see the other persons point of view for sure
RUclips is social media
Sam Harris a case study in never being wrong
Couldn't have said it better. But respect to him for having the conversation.
And if you disagree there is nothing to talk about
Not sure what y’all were listening too. He pointed out on several occasions where he has gotten things wrong.
I think I agree with you if you're saying this guy is overrated. And this is not because of his views on trump
He did admit that he changed his mind on some things as new evidence came out. But just because some people say he’s wrong doesn’t mean that that accusation is correct.
Amazing Lex your ability to listen and generate conversation is incredible. No matter the guest
True. Even with an ignorant guest like this man Sam Harris
@ albie 2112
4:27:27 it’s proof in and of itself that this guy loves the sound of his own voice. Arrogance doesn’t do Sam Harris justice
That's because this is the AI version of himself. The real Lex never appears in public!
@@albie21121 ignorant? How so?
@@luisb8394 How can this man call Trump a con-president??? People made more $ on their investments during his admin. then in the past 15yrs. He also brought industry/jobs back in. Meanwhile the Dems/Biden are sending the Ukraine Billions for a war that's not our problem, gas prices are insane, they want College kids to get full student loan relief and open our borders further so illegal immigrants continue to take our jobs. Trump would never stand for this utter trash. Dems and non-Trump believers are in denial, downright stupid and are so headstrong in their beliefs they can't admit their ignorance even when they're blatantly wrong
I have to say that I appreciate your willingness to be open minded in exploring different points of view regardless of the personality.
Thank you Lex. Thank you Sam.........not a bad way to start my day.
Sam's logic throughout this podcast in talking about the covid and trump thing can be summed as as something like:
"Yes i was wrong, but at the time it was the most logical view, and therefore anyone who i disagreed with was wrong, even if they turned out to be right".
I just don't understand how you get to this kind of logic while truly being self critical
He basically means what we are taught as children in math class - to show our working when giving a final answer. A broken clock is right twice a day...
@@jonesy2975 sure, except the people he’s been the most vicious with in his critique DID show their homework. His insistence that they didn’t is pathological at this point. He’s aggressively projecting some shadow self onto these people he keeps demeaning and now outright slandering. It’s abominable behaviour on his part.
You truly cannot fix “arrogant stupidity”…