How To Learn Tunes (Without the Real Book)
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- Опубликовано: 18 авг 2023
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Jay Metcalf shares a lesson on how to learn songs on the saxophone without using the Real Book.
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Learning from the actual artist is golden. You learn more than just the notes. You can play notes but playing tunes gives you so much more. You get to play what you hear and also feel what's being played.
I got to hang and know Jack McDuff for the last 10 years of his life. I rarely missed a performance when he played in the Minneapolis area. Always a unique performance! Jerry Weldon or Irv Williams played the tenor sax from time to time.
Learning the lyrics also helps with phrasing etc. as you have said in the past.
Thank you for your videos ❤ During middle school, I always got so bored with the simple, slow songs we played. These videos helped me to have FUN while playing the sax. Now entering high school, I'm gonna try to join our jazz band. Freshmen wouldn't usually be allowed to join, but I'm hoping for the best!
Transcribing is absolute best to besting your musician skills.And best for ear training as well.Did that when I first heard Coltrane's "Giant Steps".Took me awhile, but I did the whole song front to end including improvised solo off a cassette recording lol.
This is a fundamental part of ear training. I learnt bass guitar playing along to the radio and my sax tutor used to start the lesson with a game of ping-pong riffing back and forth. I can't imagine only being able to play music from the dots.
I am so grateful I found you and Better Sax. You have made this old man's life much richer. Bari sax is my medicine!
Transcribing is my favorite thing ever. I’ve been playing or about 5 years now and it has helped me improve soooo much. I started it just because I couldn’t find sheet music for some songs I liked but it quickly became easier for me to listen than to understand sheet music. I’ve learned so many Billy Joel songs this way. And Taylor Swift. Truly amazing
Reading the music is like reading a book, hopefully written by a good writer. Learning to play by listening to a recording is like having the artist play for you. You get to hear things that just aren't included on the written page. We didn't learn to speak by reading but by listening. Today, I believe most people would rather watch the movie than read the book. I read music mostly when the when playing exercises, or if my computer goes down!
Fantastic!!!!
I did this at North Texas State , 1982, today I have 9000 records.
Yes, great advice!!. I always try to encourage people to leave the real books alone and dive into the recordings.
man... been struggling with youtube at full speed, had no idea you could slow it down! Thx :-)
I was a band director for a number of years, but as a musician myself missed out on I guess key moments in my career as a musician to dip my toe into improv. So I would teach it to my students, but I myself can’t really do it. So I’m 35 and bought standard of excellence and essential elements jazz books, so that I can burn through them and get to book 2 this semester as I go back to school for computer IT. It may sound silly, but for my own playing, I’m having trouble wrapping my head around some of the adult method books, and especially if it’s a large amount of scale patterns, and no backing tracks. That’s just not going to be fun.
But I’m going to play in the band and the jazz band at my hometown State College, with the band director, who used to be one of my colleagues in the district 😂😂😂 So I reached out to another band director asking for the conductor scores to these books because that’s how my brain works and he reminded me I need to learn from recordings and a couple other exercises they do with the kids in their high school program. It was such a good reminder. And then I come back to RUclips this morning and I have this video on my watchlist! Thanks for the content!
Awesome video, as always, Jay! RUclips's looping feature works very well. It takes more time than Transcribe to set loop points, but it does the job. Thanks for everything you share, man!!!👏🏾✌🏾
Nice! Dexter said he learned standards by learning the lyrics.
Great advice Jay. I’ve been trying to rid myself of the sheet music. Will give this a shot.
So helpful
Music must be learned by listening..through your ears not your eyes sheet music just give you the headline
great video! i love using youtube to transcribe
Pioneering teacher/pianist Lennie Tristano had his students (people like Lee Konitz and Warne Marsh) learning Bird, Prez, Eldridge solos. He had them singing them and then playing them. I bought Real Book 2 because it had some of my favourite Konitz and Lennie heads.
Hi, Jay. Don't know why; however while watching this 'learning Melody' episode, this question popped up. (Sorry if it might seemoff-topic.) Have you thought about possibly tracking down Ronnie Laws, for a sax-playing interview? His 1975 bestselling Blue Note LP prompted me to start playing tenor....
Please, if you can arrange that.... (Really enjoyed your interview with one of the Snarky Puppy sax frontmen. Thanks for that.)
Thanks, Jay. I am stuck on learning crazy licks by ear. (And put in 12 keys. Haha!) And I’m horrible at this. Learning a melody done in the style of an artist makes this so much less threatening. I love Sonny Stitt. Something on his Soul Classics album might be perfect. Hmmmm.
Great stuff Jay! What is that ligature you are using?
Could you possibly mention what voicing is and how to use it in one of your videos? I've recently learned how to do it but I still need help, and I think you are the best youtuber out there for this.
thx
Excellent Jay... you have an extraordinary sound on this video! I love that sound and I'll be curious what hardware you get it with. THANKS !
AEA N8 ribbon mic and an Apollo twin
Many thanks for these information !!!
Do you have any tips for learning chord changes by ear?
Interesting advice. Some songs, such as "All of Me", are quite easy to learn by ear, but for many others I have turned to a Real Book. I do not take the notes on the page to be absolutely correct, and I almost always add fills and embellishments. With the Real Book, I don't feel any need to do a transcription.
Hi, Jay, coul you explain how to start playing along with backing track, any tips for Sax beginners?
Hi Jay. You're playing an impressive instrument! What's the make/model of your tenor? 😲
Great video! What s/w are you using to write what you hear?
Pencil and paper then Sibelius
Am I living in a alternate universe now I always remember the "Realbook " as "Fakebooks" ?
We need some kind of 12 Step program. I am so addicted to the Real Book in all the incarnations of the Real Book. It is what it is. I guess the first thing is that I am powerless against the Real Book. I'm scared to burn it on my burn pile. So scared.
Wow
Hi. Can you do a video on reed shaping and what is Reed Geek all about? Thanks in advance Peter.
Yes coming very soon
Thanks from a fan Down Under
Books for alto saxophone?
Btw is that a new silver Yani from your recent trip to Japan??? (Pretty!)
No I’ve had that for years.
What ligature is that?
I couldn't stop pressing the back arrow during this video.
Being a visually impaired person, I really want to learn how to do this! I'm new to the saxophone (just a few months in now) and am using specialized goggles to read sheet music.
I have a pretty good ear, so, is this simply hit and miss whilst listening to the song and trying to play it on your horn? Since we're talking about "transcribing," do you write down the notes as you hear them? Please forgive my ignorance, but any help here would be greatly appreciated! 🙏
(Would love to play "Angel Eyes" by Sonny Stitt!)
You don’t need to write them down. It’s better for the ear training if you just memorize it from the start.
Hello sir new subscriber here..i bought a cheap saxophone a eastar..how it will be become good sound?can i change a original mouthpiece?thank you godblesa
Yes, you can upgrade the mouthpiece, that will help, but the most important thing to do is play the saxophone everyday.
I always played by ear. It’s faster and easier
Sir, I am beginner and my Age is 64 I am from India. my budget is $500-600. Which Alto saxophone is suitable for me.
Please help 🙏🏿
The problem I've faced is that when searching for a certain standard, youtube will offer you a thousand results, and each one of them is a very personal interpretation of the standard, with all the melodic deviations and embellishments each player adds and makes it a very unique version of it. And that something that a seasoned player can do based on the "original" melody he knows by heart.
While this can be a nice way for practicing your chops and ears, if I were to learn a certain version of the standard the way I hear this specific player of my choice, I'll become a copycat and play exactly HIS version.
That's where the real book can come in handy, to first learn how it's supposed to sound, clean, without deviations or personal interpretations, and then start playing around it and add my own voice into it.
So, are there any resources that we can use for hearing the "original" melodies of those standards?
You can go back to the first recorded versions. Singers from the early days like 40s-60s often sang more straight versions which are good starting points.
I admit, I learn tunes from charts and also play through youtube transcriptions. But I 100% listen to the recordings for phrasing and inflections. The tune just sounds so boring on its own. Like if you looked at a real book chart of Cheese Cake by Dex, and then listen to his recording. There is a huge difference between the two.
What colour are your eyes
I don''t understand the use of the term "transcibing". Scribe means a writer whereas it seems you are referring to learning by ear and memory .
I GOT EARS 👂
First please pin me
Cuál es el sentido de tocar el solo de otro ???? Fail !!! Para eso está el original que lo hace mejor que ninguno.