@@zacktelander W. A. Pullum has a book about it, published in 1926. He had a bunch of old timey records in the British amateur weight lifting association. Mark H. Berry does as well, published in 1930. He was an American weight lifting champion. Those might be good places to start. Alan Calvert, Thomas Inch, and Arthur Saxon all had some books too. I think most of those are about lifting techniques and the writers careers. I dunno what there might be about old timey competitions.
I was a competitor in the 1982 Commonwealth Games, watched Oliver Orok lift live, and trained next to him in the training hall. He repped out 250kg squats like it was nothing and had the technique of a schoolboy lifter. He actually weighed 95kg and was about 5’6”. I understood he went on to try American football but struggled with injury. A genetic freak.
I saw Orok in person back in the 80s.He looked like a Masters of the Universe action figure. The coaches were Bulgarian, I know of a 18 year old lifter from Sierra Leone.The kid is so muscular . If he juiced, he would look like Orok. These Commonwealth Games were my first exposure to weightlifting .
Wait I don't get it, was he joking? Because the lifter looks exactly like the woman walking in the pink sweater. Edit: nvm I'm stupid, I did not pay attention to when 'she' power snatched it, which was a dude lifting.
Ivan Ganev and Angel Acrabov both coached the Nigerian team at one point. Both Bulgarian. I'm not sure who the one coaching them in the video is. I think Acrabov might've also gotten sanctioned. Regarding sanctioned athletes, Nigeria does have a notable amount of positives over the years. Potentially related. For a little history with Orok, he went on to bomb out at the 1984 Olympics in the 100kg category. Snatched 172.5 for a 5kg lead, very impressive for an athlete that didn't use a hookgrip. Called for press outs on the C&J. His teammate, Etim "Ironbar" Bassey, got injured at that Olympics and was forced to retire. The Nigerian federation abandoned him so he had to pay for surgery with his life savings and now works on roads in Lagos. Ruth Ogbeifo, a silver medalist in 2000 and maybe Nigeria's most successful weightlifter, had a similar story where she sustained an injury in training and was forced to retire after losing all support from the federation. However, she's started a program to train youth athletes and might be a positive change in the country.
Ahhh, Zack! I'm with you on the commenters and likes/upvotes. That slalom, in particular, really irritates me. I mean, why even comment if you have zero knowledge about the sport or activity? Great video! Thanks for sharing and putting out fun content!!!!
Bro, you are so right about the first part of the video. Places like Facebook, users leave ignorant comments without reading the article either trying to be funny, or look smart. That’s exactly what your Slalom video point reminds me of.
To the first part of this video, trust me it's not just Reddit. When ever any lifting video get's shared on Instagram pages like HOH or Bleacher Report the comments are always super ignorant.
Told my house mate to join my beginner weightlifting classes (we focus on proper breathing and bracing and fundemental movements with pvc pipes and some easy circuits at the end). She said it sounds awesome but she doesnt want to ''get too muscular or have her legs blow up''. Made me sad and I have heard this SO many times. Would love a video of you summarising how that is far from how it works and to remove that fear from peoples eyes. Would really appreciate it and id send it right to her xD
@@michaelmayers3622 Yeah I know some girls where their legs really did blow up when they started lifting. Others it doesn't happen. People are all built different. Personally I can cardio all day but lifting weights is slow results
The Werksan video Natalie Burgener (nee Wolfolk) was a 2008 Olympian, I would hope she had a pretty good overhead position. Lance Frye (multiple junior and senior team member) is one of the guys "struggling" to get the barbell in the truck.
Zach it's always been like that, that's why people don't win and don't succeed....these days peoples poverty mindset is just out in the public because of social media!!!! Keep making good content...appreciate your perspectives!
"that would be called." - That only proves how much bullshit is in weightlifting judging. I say if a guy is standing there with the bar locked out overhead, it's a good lift.
Backwards hat!!! Nice move = good thinking ZT - hides both the dog drool and dog hair better since the front is all messed up - shall I send you a new WERKSAN hat for Xmas bro?
Zack do you think the press should come back? I’d personally love it if the events were snatch or clean and jerk and press. I feel like part of the Olympic sport should be to express raw strength. Thoughts?
been talked about before (i think by zack too), but most people agree with consensus that it would be difficult to judge. also from my experience looking at videos of the clean and press, my lumbar is in so much pain lmfao
I like what you said about if people would just click the comment of comment they would see how wrong they are but they don't even do that. Crazy cause I for one love seeing someone getting owned immediately on occasion haha
Pretty sure those were resident OTC athletes, can't remember her name but she was really good early 2000's, Natalie Woolfolk maybe, I think it's also Lance Frye
There was a weightlifter from Africa that trained under Tim Swords about 20 years ago that was even more jacked. He lifted in a few US Nationals... maybe someone else will remember his name. Unbelievable physique.
That was Natalie Burgener 2008 Olympian in the werksan commercial and yes thoes were fake plates. I remember when that commercial came out in 07 or so. The other lifter was lance fry and I can't remember the third.
About the comments on the slalom thing, I will never understand why people make those assumptions, like if I'm watching a sport or something I know nothing about, and then they do something unexpected or that doesn't make sense to me, my first assumption isn't "Why are they doing that, wow they must suck." it's "Huh that must be the best way if a professional is doing that, I wonder why that's better."
Oliver's physique reminds me of Sergio Oliva back in the early mid-sixties. Sergio was from Cuba and competed in Olympic lifting internationally. He defected/immigrated to the states and of course became a bodybuilder who could challenge Arnold at any time until the Weider Brothers wouldn't let anyone else win except Arnold (their superstar endorser).
In media theory they are calling this era the post-truth. What IS doesn't matter anymore. What matters is the effect and the emotional reaction you are able to cause to the masses, even if what you are saying is objectively a lie or misrepresentation. And that circles back to marketing strategies, capitalizing on attention at the cost of truth
I grew up watching these guys in the gym in Calabar. Many of these guys then were very heavily jacked from doing manual labour in their formative years. By the time they got to their teen years, they were already so jacked and that's how they got spotted to enter into weightlifting.
The skiing example is more about the abnormal rulset. “Fans”/supporters of an event/sport tend to accept what their interest has morphed into; regardless of if it defies the rules original intent. You’d probably agree with the equivalent “casual’s” reaction to the lockout in weightlifting.
All sports have unusual rulesets when you get down to it. If you don't know the rules maybe you shouldn't be commenting on a video as though you know what you are talking about.
Everyone should know by now that too much muscle, muscle tonus, and most important upper body muscle mass can have negative/adverse effects on weightlifting performance. As much as the sport is the ability to contract muscles, equally important to relax
I wouldn't sweat it it big Z, Reddit is an echo chamber for certain views (like many platforms) and breeds narrow mindedness of all sorts. BTW, that jacked lifter has that Toma footwork thing happening, gave me a bit of a chuckle!
Zack, ignorant people feel safe upvoting comments that they themselves would make, i already went through that and it was due to bad habits that i toom from my dad, he always tries to guess with confidence about topics he doesn't know about, and he hates being wrong, i corrected that bad habit for myself but i often have to remember myself that i don't know everything, and that being ignorant isn't the problem, being proud about not knowing or guessing stuff is the problem.
As a casual spectator, I find it strange that that lift "had" to be called. If someond told me they could lift x weight overhead on straight arms, and did this, iId have agreed that they did. I think this is a problem for olympic weightlifting as a spectator sport.
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The real question isn't drugs or genetics, it's how the fuck did he get that much time to train that much hypertrophy with weightlifting!
theres mesomorphs, ectomorphs, endomorphs and then negromorphs. My 16 year old black bro weights over 200 with abs training jiu jitsu
I keep telling people... I seen west Africans that never touched a bar and more puff than weight lifters
I got a boat in India I can sell you guys.....
thats the joy of drugs, u dont have to
Clarence Kennedy has the same thing. He only trains olympic, but his arms are built.
He looks like he could nuke some Classic Physique guys on stage.
he can compete in Olympia in hie era.
@@doglovemimijumable I'd have to see how wide his hips are for that statement tbh but he has the legs and lats to be competitive
I want you to make a video about old timey weight lifting. Like the 1920s.
This one sounds like fun
Old Time Weightlifers lilke Saxon and Hackenschmidt were a different species. Some people are bringing it back, luckily
Need to do some digging but I’m on it
Nothing like dropping steel plates from over ur head lol
@@zacktelander W. A. Pullum has a book about it, published in 1926. He had a bunch of old timey records in the British amateur weight lifting association. Mark H. Berry does as well, published in 1930. He was an American weight lifting champion. Those might be good places to start. Alan Calvert, Thomas Inch, and Arthur Saxon all had some books too. I think most of those are about lifting techniques and the writers careers. I dunno what there might be about old timey competitions.
I was a competitor in the 1982 Commonwealth Games, watched Oliver Orok lift live, and trained next to him in the training hall. He repped out 250kg squats like it was nothing and had the technique of a schoolboy lifter. He actually weighed 95kg and was about 5’6”. I understood he went on to try American football but struggled with injury. A genetic freak.
Nice man
160kg, 19yo and no hookgrip
Let’s pause reflect and think about that for a second 😳😳😳 this guy it’s pure brute strength
@@theoneaboveall6768 aaaand a little bit of grandma's strenght potion
Mark Rippetoe "Well you know he could have been more jacked"
"He'd make a one helluva superheavy."
But his technique could not have been better!! Lol
By doing 5 by 5
Only if he drank a gallon of full cream milk a day
He would be if he were 19 years old today
I'm cool with his physique. It's the fact that he didn't hookgrip in comp. Like wtf, that's basically just a muscle snatch & CJ lol
Insane grip strength.
huh...that's not what defines a muscle variation?
The Dude to Oliver’s Right at 11:24 is a time traveling Clarence.
He got tired of mogging mortals so he mogged the space time continuum
I saw Orok in person back in the 80s.He looked like a Masters of the Universe action figure. The coaches were Bulgarian, I know of a 18 year old lifter from Sierra Leone.The kid is so muscular . If he juiced, he would look like Orok. These Commonwealth Games were my first exposure to weightlifting .
You mean Clamp Champ from MOTU was modeled after him!
“That’s just blatantly a dude” - Watch out Zack, people will take that out of context lmaoooo
Wait I don't get it, was he joking? Because the lifter looks exactly like the woman walking in the pink sweater.
Edit: nvm I'm stupid, I did not pay attention to when 'she' power snatched it, which was a dude lifting.
@Cringe Lord Yeah, the person lifting was a dude. Took me a good while to notice
To me this is a strong bodybuilder that has been doing weightlifting for maybe 1-3 years (very rough estimation).
8:50 when you're too strong for the sport so you decide to just reverse curl to push press your 190+ attempt.. jesus..
no hook as well
Loved this video, very entertaining, and you're totally right about 'like posts from the masses'
He didnt even use hookgrip wtf? Or am I blind
I have absolutely no interest in Olympic lifting but your channel is pretty entertaining. Thanks for the content
Ivan Ganev and Angel Acrabov both coached the Nigerian team at one point. Both Bulgarian. I'm not sure who the one coaching them in the video is. I think Acrabov might've also gotten sanctioned. Regarding sanctioned athletes, Nigeria does have a notable amount of positives over the years. Potentially related.
For a little history with Orok, he went on to bomb out at the 1984 Olympics in the 100kg category. Snatched 172.5 for a 5kg lead, very impressive for an athlete that didn't use a hookgrip. Called for press outs on the C&J.
His teammate, Etim "Ironbar" Bassey, got injured at that Olympics and was forced to retire. The Nigerian federation abandoned him so he had to pay for surgery with his life savings and now works on roads in Lagos.
Ruth Ogbeifo, a silver medalist in 2000 and maybe Nigeria's most successful weightlifter, had a similar story where she sustained an injury in training and was forced to retire after losing all support from the federation. However, she's started a program to train youth athletes and might be a positive change in the country.
Yeah pretty sure on Ivan Ganev. If not mistaken, Ganev stayed on in Nigeria and may have actually died there of AIDS related illness.
You forgot to talk about Lawrence Iquabom.
Ahhh, Zack! I'm with you on the commenters and likes/upvotes. That slalom, in particular, really irritates me. I mean, why even comment if you have zero knowledge about the sport or activity? Great video! Thanks for sharing and putting out fun content!!!!
10:12 the reason why he’s so strong is because he has a legit infinity stone in between his traps
bruh XD
What muscle is that called?
@@sarminilidya9245 that ain’t one, that’s a god damn bone. His bones are even built different
That's a blatant sign of HGH-use. HGH makes everything grow, even your bones.
@@user-kw5bq1li5r yeah some dragon ball shiiiit
Zack simultaneously complimenting his physique and roasting his technique
Bro, you are so right about the first part of the video. Places like Facebook, users leave ignorant comments without reading the article either trying to be funny, or look smart. That’s exactly what your Slalom video point reminds me of.
Excellent video. Really good example on the Alpine Skiing!
To the first part of this video, trust me it's not just Reddit. When ever any lifting video get's shared on Instagram pages like HOH or Bleacher Report the comments are always super ignorant.
Told my house mate to join my beginner weightlifting classes (we focus on proper breathing and bracing and fundemental movements with pvc pipes and some easy circuits at the end). She said it sounds awesome but she doesnt want to ''get too muscular or have her legs blow up''. Made me sad and I have heard this SO many times. Would love a video of you summarising how that is far from how it works and to remove that fear from peoples eyes. Would really appreciate it and id send it right to her xD
Legs Def will blow up but she not gona get to jacked
If she got genetics to be Jacked then she can't help it
@@michaelmayers3622 Yeah I know some girls where their legs really did blow up when they started lifting. Others it doesn't happen. People are all built different. Personally I can cardio all day but lifting weights is slow results
Hit the like button before Zack even got to the main topic 😂 felt that rant in my soul bro ✊🏾..
Yo that's a teletubbies background! I loved that shit when I was 2 years old lol ❤️
The Werksan video Natalie Burgener (nee Wolfolk) was a 2008 Olympian, I would hope she had a pretty good overhead position. Lance Frye (multiple junior and senior team member) is one of the guys "struggling" to get the barbell in the truck.
Orok has to have a myostatin deficiency.
you know it's lunch time when Zack uploads.
To be fair though, your argument goes both ways. For example, whenever I see a Zack telander videos I click the “like” button
Loving the background 😂
Ty for making my lunch break interesting
When you have weightlifting in the morning but a bodybuilding comp in the afternoon
Did anybody notice that the guy wasn’t even using hookgrip? Holy shit
love the shirt!
Dude looks and lifts like the E.A. Sports weightlifting character on the Super Nintendo.
The Most JACKED Weightlifter in History is mark rippetoe
Sick shirt man! :D
Great shirt!
On the first part of the video, I feel you.
It feels like we life in the upside down world
Zach it's always been like that, that's why people don't win and don't succeed....these days peoples poverty mindset is just out in the public because of social media!!!! Keep making good content...appreciate your perspectives!
What was that spooky outro song in reverse though
Dang zack you’re making me shiver my Timbers
hahahaha, les go girls part was hilarious
Oh gosh "what the facts are doesn't matter" whoo boy nailed that one.
When I saw the title I thought about maybe David Rigert in his prime? But this guy is on another level.
Yep... what you just described is literally the essence of the current version social media
I did read somewhere that he did bodybuilding before this comp, and the wl coach took him to win this thing. And yeah, no hook grip snatch is crazy
another lunch time banger
"that would be called." - That only proves how much bullshit is in weightlifting judging. I say if a guy is standing there with the bar locked out overhead, it's a good lift.
Although it does look like a good lift his knees are clearly flexed and also his elbows are not fully extended at the top.
Backwards hat!!! Nice move = good thinking ZT - hides both the dog drool and dog hair better since the front is all messed up - shall I send you a new WERKSAN hat for Xmas bro?
Most pages will repost videos like that so they get those types of comments cause it will drive more engagement and get them a bigger check.
I like the metal t-shirt, Boss.
Zack do you think the press should come back?
I’d personally love it if the events were snatch or clean and jerk and press.
I feel like part of the Olympic sport should be to express raw strength.
Thoughts?
been talked about before (i think by zack too), but most people agree with consensus that it would be difficult to judge. also from my experience looking at videos of the clean and press, my lumbar is in so much pain lmfao
@@cayden- It's not difficult to judge.
God, I hope not! Competitions would be marathons. They're long enough as it is.
I like what you said about if people would just click the comment of comment they would see how wrong they are but they don't even do that. Crazy cause I for one love seeing someone getting owned immediately on occasion haha
Pretty sure those were resident OTC athletes, can't remember her name but she was really good early 2000's, Natalie Woolfolk maybe, I think it's also Lance Frye
There was a weightlifter from Africa that trained under Tim Swords about 20 years ago that was even more jacked. He lifted in a few US Nationals... maybe someone else will remember his name. Unbelievable physique.
Innocent Upkong
zack please teach me how to fix run front(??, as opposite of run back) thanks always
That Lamb of God tee 💪🔥💀
That was Natalie Burgener 2008 Olympian in the werksan commercial and yes thoes were fake plates. I remember when that commercial came out in 07 or so. The other lifter was lance fry and I can't remember the third.
Haha im from Nigeria too, nice to get a country shout out 😂😂😂
About the comments on the slalom thing, I will never understand why people make those assumptions, like if I'm watching a sport or something I know nothing about, and then they do something unexpected or that doesn't make sense to me, my first assumption isn't "Why are they doing that, wow they must suck." it's "Huh that must be the best way if a professional is doing that, I wonder why that's better."
Oliver's physique reminds me of Sergio Oliva back in the early mid-sixties. Sergio was from Cuba and competed in Olympic lifting internationally. He defected/immigrated to the states and of course became a bodybuilder who could challenge Arnold at any time until the Weider Brothers wouldn't let anyone else win except Arnold (their superstar endorser).
Insane grip strength.. He could snap his fingers and get anything he wants
Lmao that’s the reason that made me leave social media almost 3 years ago. Thank god i did it before covid
In media theory they are calling this era the post-truth. What IS doesn't matter anymore. What matters is the effect and the emotional reaction you are able to cause to the masses, even if what you are saying is objectively a lie or misrepresentation. And that circles back to marketing strategies, capitalizing on attention at the cost of truth
Do you think split snatches and split cleans should be employed by weightlifters as a part of their training regimen?
nope
I grew up watching these guys in the gym in Calabar. Many of these guys then were very heavily jacked from doing manual labour in their formative years. By the time they got to their teen years, they were already so jacked and that's how they got spotted to enter into weightlifting.
3:07 I mean, it’s always been that way. It’s a perfect description of the entertainment industry as well.
The skiing example is more about the abnormal rulset. “Fans”/supporters of an event/sport tend to accept what their interest has morphed into; regardless of if it defies the rules original intent. You’d probably agree with the equivalent “casual’s” reaction to the lockout in weightlifting.
All sports have unusual rulesets when you get down to it. If you don't know the rules maybe you shouldn't be commenting on a video as though you know what you are talking about.
@@twirdman2 congratulations: you just created a paradox. Thanks for playing.
Love your videos, but could you work on your audio? With your videos I have to turn my volume all the way up just to hear you clearly.
Teletubis rulez
Everyone should know by now that too much muscle, muscle tonus, and most important upper body muscle mass can have negative/adverse effects on weightlifting performance. As much as the sport is the ability to contract muscles, equally important to relax
Lol The dude Snatched and CJ’d with No hook! What a legend!
he's not even hook gripping oO woa
Goat shirt. 👍
Coach, cmon. That boy is beyond juiced to the gills. There is no doubt.
He’s just using the shit that no one else was and got away with it
I said that
Pure brute strength!
Digging the Lamb of God shirt 🤘
Your video is spot on, this is the problem with politics today.
04:18, didn't know that William Bonac had a side job in a moving company. Dissapointed though that he couldn't load the barbell into the truck.
I am the only one that was thinking "Clarence can lift even more than this huge guy"?
What does that have to do with anything. Bodybuilder look ≠ higher total
@@LuisGarcia-vi5rj nada más se me hizo curioso, siempre uso a Clarence como referencia de los levantamientos jajaja
I wouldn't sweat it it big Z, Reddit is an echo chamber for certain views (like many platforms) and breeds narrow mindedness of all sorts.
BTW, that jacked lifter has that Toma footwork thing happening, gave me a bit of a chuckle!
Zack, ignorant people feel safe upvoting comments that they themselves would make, i already went through that and it was due to bad habits that i toom from my dad, he always tries to guess with confidence about topics he doesn't know about, and he hates being wrong, i corrected that bad habit for myself but i often have to remember myself that i don't know everything, and that being ignorant isn't the problem, being proud about not knowing or guessing stuff is the problem.
And I thougth Klokov was built. Dayum!
Can you do a video on iranian weightlifting
Dont forget also Pudzian winning WSM while looking more like a bodybuilder. Not an OLY lifters but still applies
Love it.
3:14 is Zack summing up American politics
How do you fix crashing?
Lunchtime!!
Nice stache, Zack!
5:23 lmao
“If there was a single day I could live…”
algo boost bayBEE
As a casual spectator, I find it strange that that lift "had" to be called. If someond told me they could lift x weight overhead on straight arms, and did this, iId have agreed that they did.
I think this is a problem for olympic weightlifting as a spectator sport.
Key in ronnie coleman 800 lb squat 500x5 bench and 800x2 dead morgan aste is also super jacked and strong.
Hell yea
I don’t explain myself anymore because people like limit others
Well am I suppose to do research for every post I see on Instagram? I ain't gonna do that.
Look up olfides Sáez I trained with him in Cuba. He just went to the olimpics. Crazy genetics as well
Can u do an intro with Joel seedman "guh" noises?