The Mercedes CLK DTM Is the $450,000 Supercar You've Never Heard Of
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The Mercedes-Benz CLK DTM is a $450,000 supercar -- but most people have never heard of it. I'm reviewing the Mercedes CLK DTM, and I'm showing you around it and driving the CLK DTM to reveal why it's so special.
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You need to find a CLK GTR to make a video on... Even if it requires a flight.
Either or, lol.
If you ever plan to do Doug, visit mechatronik.de
havin a hard time with english grammar
iysaw That was a very iconic car for me
I know one other RUclipsr was able to drive a CLK-GTR in Switzerland. But honestly, I hate the Doug score. First, the 2017 Ford GT gets a 9 in importance vs 10 for the 917 or Carrera GT? Did either of those sweep their class in LeMans 50 years after the last "real" Ford racecar you could buy? And if it's not a Porsche or Ferrari, forget about a good style score. Despite it's styles subjective nature, this does look almost exactly like a real DTM car. It's also the most modern DTM type car you can get. The other most recent examples are 15 to 30 years older, like an Alfa Romeo 155 GTA Stradale or in the 30 year category, an Alfa Romeo 75 Evoluzione, an E30 M3 Evo or a 190E 2.5-16. These all are significant, race winning homologation specials. Which while based on production sedans and coupes are certainly significant and seem only to rise in price year over year, as I'm sure the CLK-DTM will as well. So even the value proposition is good. There is an Alfa 75 Evo that is going for 130k now. Way more than it did new.
That awkward moment when you spend almost half a million on a car, but everyone just thinks you riced out a CLK63
Honald Trinton That moment when you sell it and you get back more than the half million you bought it, you know it is just not a riced out clk
...With less features than a sentra
That's what sucks about cars like this, for 99 percent of people it just looks like any old Mercedes. If you told them you paid half a million for it, you'd probably get laughed at too lmao.
Honald Trinton In Europe people recognise this car. I would love to have a CLK DTM convertible.
Also why would you want attention/approval? I would love a crazy car that does not draw attention at all.
I'd laugh at you for paying half a million for it even now that I now what it is. Looks tacky, is not half a million in performance and the gearbox is about as quick as a Model T's
I remember I had a Hotwheels CLK DTM and looking online when I was little to see if I could get one as a first car...then reality happened and I kept the Hotwheels version.
4 and a half dollars
Kevin Nusywa Putra you have yourself a deal
Damn.When i was little there was no internet 😂
And that’s why we had hot wheels to make us feel like we own a tiny piece of a good car
Get the 320
DTM = Deutsche Tourenwagen-Meisterschaft (German Touring Car Championship)
You're welcome
95Andyyy Gotta love Google 👌
I thought it was D.ollars T.oo M.any.
@JAYDOB Ich kann mir kaum vorstellen, dass ein wahrer Autofan noch nie was von dieser Möhre gehört hat, aber bei den Amis weiß man echt nie. :)
Already knew that
Down To 'Muro
Now we need a CLK GTR review
Paging Ben Chen!
I know, Doug thought this overweight clk is the best clk, meanwhile a CLK GTR is faster, and basically a le mans race car converted for street use, and costs a fortune and is way rarer.
Now we also need a CLK KLEEMANN review
PlamenDrop yh
The CL65 from 04-05 was even more impressive with 611hp and 1000 nm torque plus rwd.
My brother worked for Mercedes for many years and did service on a couple of these in Sweden. One of his favorite cars of all time. According to him it's one of the most exciting cars you can buy. Seen one in real life (convertible) and they do look very imposing and the sound is insane. Don't understand how anyone can call Mercedes boring. Look at the mad cars they have been putting out constantly since 50 years back!
i like the 2004 CL65 AMG
@@dondadda1 mercedes didn't start making fast cars until the 60s
@@diablocls55 You clearly have no idea about the history of Mercedes-Benz. Ever heard of the "Blitzen Benz" It drove over 200 km/h in 1909 It was by far the fastest car of its time. It lasted till the twenties before a plane (!) flew faster than this car. ruclips.net/video/BJTtUhgkiHo/видео.html In the thrirties we had the SilberPfeile which means Silver Arrows like W125 the W154 and so on. For your information the W125 drove 432,7 km/h in 1938. Still a speed record for cars driven on public roads. In the 30s MB produced several race cars with over 450 till 700 bhp. Search for W125 ...
@@Tommyflocker 👏 educate these noobs
@@aviationlba747 yes they did. The whole nazi party was equipped with insane Mercedes cars. After the war Mercedes built the slr 300 (fastest car in the world with magnesium skin) and sl300 cupe and roadster after this the s class popped up in almost every dictatorship on earth and we know what they built in 80s+
*This* is the first video Doug hasn't started with the word "this"...
Maybe he had to take a breath ;) ruclips.net/video/IPRp_AlOIh8/видео.html
ｈｉｘｔａｙ who isent looking for likes? I hope this gets likes because I’m talking about likes...
Well there are several other videos he hasn’t started with ,,this‘‘for example hummer h1
Auto Autopsy 0:10 0:12
I think second one
Judging my Doug's knees, I see how he got this rare car review.
Josh Rinlee a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do
I get that reference.
@@techmaniac43 congrats
How does he not notice his knees are dirty AF!? It looks like his knees just came back from a shift in the coal mines. 🤔
Do you know what that shirt means?? Those are Aztec numbers 13
Doug’s comment section is one of the best on all of RUclips.
Doug the type of guy to have the best comments section on youtube
Did you know that even though Doug looks like a 40 year old dad from a eighties sitcom, he is in reality only 19 years old?
erik bundersen 😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
Doug the kind of guy to make youtubes of enjoyable car reviews
douge
Your profile is hilariously sad
Holy shit.. that profile. I really hope you're the greatest troll of all time
"RUclips's"
Nah they're not that enjoyable anymore.
Doug is that type of guy who WOWs and laughs whenever he accelerates no matter what car he drives.
He was driving the Trabi.
Also there's the Mitsubishi Mirage...
yeps, and barely press the throttle
Doug the type of guy to cut himself off in his own intro with his email info.
Doug the kind of guy that'll wear a tie while working on an engine.
TheGreekFreak, The tie makes you look smarter ;)
Doug the type of guy to use cruise control in a CLK DTM.
to make it complete, Doug need to review the $45,000 basic CLK ;)
What about the CLK GTR?
Matt O hell yeah! That needs to happen
For $45,000 you can almost get a CLK 63 AMG Black Series, or a mint-condition standard CLK 63 AMG. The base CLK 200 can be found for as little as $2000.
Sorry ADMIN. The channel I made about 2018 Toyota Tacoma ( goo.gl/EtsXCW ) but made images, words and voice. Who likes to visit the house. Thanks ADMIN
Car Introduction _seems legit_
That steering wheel shape is called a "squircle."
Corks and features.
"Corks and features"? I'm sorry, but this car was never used to plug a champagne bottle. The word you're looking for is quirks.
Robert hentschelmann r/whoosh
I'm surprised to learn this isn't a joke
Quirks
😆🤣😂
Really like that you included the Show or Display list. I've never seen the full list before and that was very interesting. Keep up the great vids, man.
Yes, I would've never known that I could import a '12-'13 Volkswagen Polo TDI BlueMotion otherwise.
The Black Series of the Doug Demuro line coming out soon
^ Fake Doug DeMuro
Lotta Quirks in the Doug Demuro Model!
"Dirty Knees Doug"
guess we know how he was able to review the car
Imagine you allow some guy to film your $450,000 car and he gets inside with dirty knees
Imagine you want to rent a supercar and the dealer asks if you have washed your knees
How else do you think he was about get his
Hands on this car even for a second
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
He must have made the owner very happy... at least 2 hours of ^*#% job
I've lusted over this car for years Doug. You're right, those who know... The one thing you left out though is that this car may never have existed if it hadn't been for the early 90s 190 Evo. I think these two cars share much in common and a mention of the lineage would have been cool. As always, great videos and thanks so much for bringing these cars out for us to appreciate!
Doug the type of guy to say he was going to review more cars in Dubai then come back to the US to review a Benz.
Pretty sure this was recorded before he went to Dubai
because Doug is the type of guy
Hahahah, spot on.
Hopeful Interpretation its just a joke that has found its way on every video, doug even made one of them on his million subscriber special. hated them at first but i gave in lol
UP.... DOWN.... UP...and DOWN...
In that list Doug talked about, there's a list of cars deemed not eligible for display or show. In that list, there's a 2012 VW Polo TDI Bluemotion. Somebody tried to import one to the US lmao
I wanted a Volkswagen polo gti 2018
You bet. That thing does 35+mpg in a city all day every day.
Incredibly rare car, dont make the 2012-13 model no more 😂
at eligible list is Skoda Fabia (Greenline II) ... most common car in czech republic, middle europe :D (1,2tdi 3 cylinder, 74 hp)
I have the same name as you and my grandfather has the same last name as you
The rumours are true he still hasn't washed his knees since that video
He always has dirty knees. Crowdfunding for a shower for Doug?
no, he's black you racist
DT B lol
DT B hahaha
Israr Iqbal
It’s okay, he’s just going to wear trousers.
... Oh, he hasn’t got any.
Doug, the kind of guy that lets the seatbelt hit the paint of a one off legal car in the United States.
"And no, right hand drive miata isnt on the list so dont try"
I've never felt so personally attacked in my life
Its a lie, there were few of them here in south africa and we only rhd country,i remember as it was yesterday when it launched here they drove from Johannesburg to cape town under 7 hours a trip which requires minimum 13 hours
Yeah compare a low powered car from which millions where build to this...
Especially since the left hand drive version is exactly the same, besides weird jdm dudebros aren’t able to wank over it.
I’ll never get this weird hype about japanese rhd cars..
In no matter I want to dismiss the MX5 it’s a super fun to drive „sporty“ vehicle which you can get super cheap, but it’s the opposite of rare or special.
CLK GTR next right?
Can we also have the BMW M3 GTR?
Epicvids (Ketti08) It's one-off, impossible
StreamlinerV16 no it exists but it'd a racecar so still impossible
One downside of being early to a Doug video: No "Doug is a kind of guy..." jokes.
That crowd is a cancer.
You mean one benefit
Areeb. Legit
Wrong
When did it start? Im just now noticing them lol
23:08 bro the supercharger said:
Sssssssssssssd
Actually the CLK DTM AMG's top speed (vmax) was limited to 320 kph (200 mph) to avoid beating the all mighty SLR in a very prestigous automotive category. As a german I always thought that this was absolutely ridiculous, since a 200 mph speed limiter would be a monthly accounter at least. #nospeedlimit #Autobahn
Saying "I can't belive they don't allow cars to be sold with a racing harness".....as he has one of the shoulder belts on upsidedown so the steel adjuster is against his collar bone
nickmpower i thought it looked ..odd lol .
I knew someone would point this out lol
Scrolled down to say this
Doug's the type of guy to wear a shirt inside a shirt
Ayy, i use to do that...
He wear a tuxedo under that shirt
use to be a thing in 2000's
It use to be called a vest.
It’s called an undershirt. And plenty of people do that.
That steering wheel shape. It has a name. It's a superellipse. Yes, there is such a geometrical shape. There's even an equation describing the entire family of superellipses, which includes, wait for it, not only the standard ellipse, but the parallelogram.
One member of the family of superellipses is called the squircle.
Calilasseia i like Google too 🤣
Such a dickhead 🤣🤣
Doug the type of guy who wants to speak to your manager
Indeed
he wants to give the manager a DougScore™
Me too
I once had a dream that that Doug would review my car, but with his run of amazing car reviews 😭
maxxjett films Scooby? probably will. your car has quite a few quirks
maxxjett films LOL Same boat here man. There was a day when he was interested in my flawless 87 Camry. Oh well guess I should just sell it
"boy are they tight when you're inside" hehehe
👍😁👍
That’s what Bill Clinton said.
Funny, your mother told me something similar.
_giggity_
Chuck Beef also what Roy Moore said
Looking at CLK55 and CLK63 Cabs now. One will be in the garage soon. Many low mileage 63's available for under $30K; great deals for 475 HP beasts originally costing over $100K decently equipped. These are non-supercharged 6.2L's so assume less stress and longer life.
This DTM and the Black Series are dream cars!
Nice informative review Doug!
Lol.. . My kids carseat uses 5 point harnesses.
I thought the exact same thing. Safe enough for them, safe enough for me!
Lmao
Doug, "my opinion" is that your success comes from your accurate and speedy dialog. You waste no ones time. You say what you need to say, quickly and you get to the point (admittedly, the point you have decided to get to) but you waste NO time with UH or ya know or anything inarticulate Your humor is fun, your diction is precise and your delivery doesn't waste time Pretty good. I like Hoovie, your protégé, too, but he isn't doing videos like you do. Also, he sings. HA! It's no wonder why you are as successful as you are and to a lesser extent, Hoovie, also. BUT! You guys are DIFFERENT and wonderful in each of the ways that define you. I read a bunch of the comments to this video and determined that, at least the first ones listed, the people commenting are more interested in hearing themselves than they are making a contribution to your video. I'll keep watching.
Perfectly worded. I agree.
Makes a lot of sense
Allen Miner uh
blowhard
I agree but reading this was a waste of damn time
I just saw one of these today in Vancouver. Had no idea what it was and I too thought it could have just been a CLK with a body kit. I can confirm today I saw a unicorn.✨🥺
Performance
0-60 3.8 seconds
Top Speed: 198 MPH
Engine
SuperCharged V8
Horsepower: 582 @ 6100 RPM
Torque: 590 ft. lbs @ 3500 RPM
Dimensions
Length: 183.1 in.
Width: 70.9 in.
Height: 53.5
Weight: 3854 lbs
All that carbon fiber, no rear seats, and it still weighs 3,854 lbs?! That's basically the same as the current ZL1 Camaro (3,883 lbs.) which makes 650 hp from a blown V8--sure, it's much newer--but has no carbon fiber whatsoever.
This cat is 14 years old
it is a heavy german tank.
Thank you!
Michael Kirk thanks
I'm sure in another timeline, this was the hero car in NFS Most Wanted.
@The Legend 27 Returns to RUclips or a rival.... M
Doug the type of guy to have his toilet seat fitted with alcantara butt plate
Shantanu Sharma loll
That’s a thing?
to prevent slipping during an intense session
This doesn't have a sequential gearbox, it's a tuned up version of the old "speedshift" 5-Speed torque converter MB Box.
And the shift speeds do sound significantly faster than the regular 5-speed "speedshift".
Confusing the transmission here with the CLK GTR. The GTR had a six speed sequential transmission with a clutch.
Im a simple guy really. I see a doug video, i like the video before watching.
Doug the type of guy to bake pies and set them by the window to cool off
Aldo S And I'm the type of guy to grab one and eat it.
Forget DTM r you DTF Doug?
Kyle Keogh stfu
Sam Sheth Honestly just here for the memes
Lmaooooo
His response is at 23:41
Attention Kevin Spacey fans...leave, now!
Doug's passion for these cars are unmatched. I love it.
Im still waiting for the day Doug crashes a car with this magnitude of rareness. Doug I guarantee you that your video will go viral and you'll get another million subscribers. Think about...might be worth it.
negritorican he has Insurance
bumper to bumper ya noob
negritorican, That's why you use the cheat code "hesoyam"
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So cause he has insurance the video wont go viral? okay...
Doug, with all respect i gotta say, your hair is like Jimmy Neutron.
Good vid.
I Just found my comment 2 years later.
@@techmaniac43 you want a cookie?
@@dzgaming1 finding my own 1yo reply to a 3yo comment I did, sure, i'd take a cookie 🍪
I can't believe you only got 4K views instead of the regular 1-2M. Good video. I loved it. It's been years since I last read about the CLK DTM. Subscribing right now. Hope I can lend you a really special car like this one day.
dario250hp it's at 340k now lol. Give it time
you're absolutely right. I didn't realize I was watching a video uploaded just yesterday. I thought it was one of the first ones and had been ignored
I have heard of the CLK DTM before. I do have a Welly 1:36 scale Mercedes-Benz CLK GTR and Welly 1:36 scale Mercedes-Benz CLK230 Convertible. I got the CLK GTR at a Rite-Aid in 2016 and got the CLK230 Convertible on Amazon in October 4, 2018 and I still play with them, even though I would mostly play with my CLK230 Convertible.
Doug is the type of guy.
InfiniteRespect o fucking asshat
Doug is the type of guy who showers with his clothes on
Lmfao!
Underøath628 😂😂😂😂💀💀💀💀
Less drag😂
you shower with someone else clothes on?
You mean people dont do that?
7:55 I see what you did to the owner to get this car reviewed.
This dude gets to drive some awesome stuff at first I couldn't believe people look him up to let him check it out
he deserves it.
LMFAO
The Mercedes-Benz Club Vic. Australia is privileged to have 1 of 42 RHD coupes in the world, and the only 1 in Aust, on its register. This car was displayed at the Club's annual Concours event in March 2019. It is an awesome machine.
Really Phil? As an owner of a far humbler CLK I'd love to see that! (I'm in regional Vic)
I met a Mercedes one time at a strip club, she was DTF....
Doug you should review a lamborghini reventon, imagine all the cool quirks...
24:50 - Doug really upped his writing game
I've watched lots of your video's but this and the 2004 WRX STI one I've watched many times. Your passion for both cars really comes through. CLK DTM, what a car and what a sound!
Friggin unicorn
MikefromQueens just like yursa mardini
A UNICORN is a HORSE with a DILDO =)
Doug the type of guy to get a pt cruiser with Prius's engine and hybrid system for better gas mileage
I'm bored typing
So is the next one going to be the CLK GTR? Lol
Matthew Edwards that and the convertible version are on the list of display and show cars... so maybe...
A few years back I was doing a lap of the Nurburgring in an E46 M3 and came up against one of these just before Foxhole. It was magnificent. It actually held me up for half a lap before the uphill straight section where it stretched it's legs and disappeared up the road, never to be seen again by me! Video on my channel :)
Is nobody gonna point out that the wheels are 3 piece racing wheels?
James Smith the absolute mad man
The wheels are nice in my opinion. Probably light too.Throw some black powder coat on em and you're set.
CalQaida yeah just spray paint those original rare wheels ^^
2:30 "One of the only US-legal CLK DTMs in the entire world" - what a ridiculous statement (think about it) haha.
Still love the way you do your rewievs, especially for these "quirky" statements ;)
costaricasam if this car was sold out of country now. it would be exactly.what is stated
Seth Herron the it might even be "THE only....." :'D
1:07 ”all in increasing levels of awesomeness” 😄 By far one of the most awesome ways of describing things I’ve heard in my entire life!
Po from kung fu panda said it first🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
20:07 lol i love this dude 💀💀💀
Hello Doug from Finland! :)
SKR perkele
I have heard of it
I'm dtf daddy dougy in that dtm any time!
dafuq
Grow up
eeshunique snapchat?
dude same
Dylan Sargent stop
I went full nerd out on the list and looked at every single one. List is sick.
Doug the type of guy to tease us with classic Ferraris and Lamborghinis on twitter then upload newer car reviews
My first car was a CLK 500 convertible. I loved that car and i love the CLK's!
this car is so underated
faster i don't know the clk is pretty much a race car
hey i love the LFA i'm not sure that it is faster than the CLK don't get it twisted
sushi otaku lmao sushi nice name
I ate two today...
This car is made in 04 why do you compare it to lfa
OMFG it sounds sooo beautiful.
Btw, I love the wheels.
Waiting for the SLR Stirling Moss review.
Damn I used to be obsessed with this car when I was a kid. I’m surprised you found one in the states. Great review.
And yet.......Doug's clothes are from Brands you've never heard of.
Mohammad Ali Karimi Doug has that Dad Swag
cnsln you know it..
Zack Smith how is that relevant
You know there are high end clothing brands that sell simple shirts for over $200... stop judging. At least he doesn't show off like those annoying vloggers.
You are so obsessed with fashion and spending money on something that does nothing for you that you have commented this on the last couple of his videos. How sad.
I drive a 2007 clk63 convertible as a daily driver and people think it's a grocery getter until you drive around them. It's a great value for the 'too much fun' performance.
Don't mind the dated "mid-2000's" wheels. Helps to pick up unsuspecting cougars in Orange County.
YES I HAVE DON'T TELL ME WHAT I HAVEN'T HEARD OF
No, Brad. You haven't.
Doug DeMuro hahaha you got me
If you've never heard of the CLK DTM AMG you must have lived in a cave for your whole life.
FYI: Yes, it's called CLK DTM AMG
Your import laws in the US suck, must be such a pain in the ass for car guys.
Those fenders flares are the reason why I fell in love with that Mercedes.
5:12 He has wondered about these his entire life... Didn't know he was 13 years old (car came out in 2004).
Gunther Ultrabolt Novacrunch, That's a deep voice for a 13 year old
450,000 DOLLARS?!?!? yeah right!
Cedric McCoy rarity
rarity is pointless if there are better cars out there, unless you have too much money, And this seems exactly this kind of car
9000Redline Exactly...it looks too much like other models for an exponential amount of cash
this has nothing to do with too much money
ppl who drove and owned em compared em to enzos and CGT's, those are at least 1m USD today to buy, so this by relativity is a great deal, considering it will go north of 1m USD soon easily
keep your poor people mentality to salomondrin videos
Doug driving a half a million dollar car with a white undershirt.....
boscoblack, Shhhh.. It goes well with his skin color
All undershirts are white.
Literally, he has the worst choice of clothes ever seen online! :))
gotta keep those nice t shirts free from pit stains
Well good thing he's not a fashion critic huh
Test Drive Unlimited had this beauty. I fell in love with it.
Now we want the clk GTR
Doug the type of guy to put diesel in a gas car because he wants more torque
Odd Zilla
That's really good
If your hands are sweating on a race track...wear gloves.
If you’re on a racetrack and your hands aren’t sweating, you’re going too slow
great review Doug; i love the way this good old fashioned V8 can put a bigger smile on your face than some of the newer exotic super cars you have reviewed recently..! Well done (PS i love the sound of my good old 6.2ltr V8 too!)
i love the Rims, perfection
Doug the type of guy to make moaning noises while basting a turkey on thanksgiving as a "funny joke" in front of family and children
"This is basically a road-going version of the Mercedes CLK DTM Touring race car."
Except that it's not. The actual DTM race cars do not have much in common with the street legal cars, they only have bodies designed to look like them. What you have reviewed here is a special edition of the regular CLK that Mercedes released to celebrate their win in the 2003 DTM season (9/10 races won).
exactly, the DTM cars have the front-mid engine so far back the drivers are actually sitting at where the b-pillar would be. the CLK-GTR was the actual road-going race car that Mercedes built.
Don't forget that Doug is a dumbass ))
FrankW1029
Plus, the CLK GTR wasn't even based on this generation, but on the previous one ('97 - 2001)
Come here for quirks and features, not accurate technical analysis. Why ARE there fingers on that sticker?
i always loved that car , i knew the car though drivers club on the ps2 since then its always been one of the best cars mercedes ever belt .
Doug review the SL65 AMG Black Series please!!!!
Next video: CLK GTR
Not if you play video games...you would know.
12 people online driving the Lambo Veneno, when 3 exist worldwide
😂😂
I drove on on Project Gotham Racing 4. Fun car
I love this engine (M113k) cuz it's so similar to the M112k in my car. Make sure your tool set has a full complement of Torx & E-Torx in it before opening the hood of this vintage of Mercedes.
Review a Golf R
TheLegend27 he’s not a fuckboi, so no.