nono she is right after all she is always angry for anything. that's why she doesn't have an uncontrollable monster hiding inside of her SHE IS THAT MONSTER.
Personally, I rarely ever experience anger. I experienced anxiety when I was cat called and honked at when walking to work in the early 2000s...wearing polo shirt and dress pants. It became so routine that I would count the events daily and considered 5 in one day the personal best. One older 60+ guy with a cane even tried kissing me...saved by the city bus stopping and a man yelling at him. I experience frustration when an unprofessional idiot is hired in after interviewed on sports to get a commercial manager position that I feel I deserve. I knew I deserved it after 6 years dedicated and already multi tasking into the position to know the regulars and secure new contracts. I of coarse quit that month with a new job. I was promoted in the new job within 9 months. The idiot left in 3 months. They had to hire 4 new people the week I left to prepare for turn over. I experience sadness as the ultimate emotion. The event of sadness is the ugly cry. It's unsustainable and there is clarity afterwards to resolve the pain. Thoughts focused to accept the pain or plan within limitations to overcome or sacrifice to another direction. Accepting the pain in sadness if bad enough becomes depression. Anger though...the last time I was actually angry was 10 years ago screaming at my 8 year husband about bringing over his new girlfriend to stay the night shortly after dumping me. Anger has the event of a loud argument and maybe violence left with the consequences. If unresolved anger...it becomes hatred. I experience all other cousin emotions to stress and pain. I know people are complex and there are angry violent women just as some men may be more prone to crying in stress. Still an emotionally balanced woman probably rarely ever experience anger. That would be good if the writers embraced the difference of women being emotional but not often angry. That could be a qualified reason to why she has control over the hulk. Her stress reaction is anxiety and frustration...not so much anger.
@@vsmith6109 While you may have a slight point, she's still and will probably always be a trash character. Imagine telling a dude who's almost witness extinction of an entire race by a purple alien. Saw their friends die infront of him multiple times, and got his ass beat by the same purple alien. Not only that crippled his arm to bring back the same almost extinct species only to be near fotter to the same purple alien. + Suicidal thought and intense trauma without being freely able to expression emotion. Yea what she's experienced is little to nothing compared to the Hulk.
Hulk : -abused by father -being forced to transform into a monster -hunted by the military -created ultron -trapped in another planet and was forced to fight -lost to thanos resulting in the hulk not wanting to return -watch as he failed to save half of the population -Years of coping with his faliure She hulk -mansplaning -cat called
Also don't forget that everyone feared him but didn't hesitate to ask for his help when they needed his power. You especially saw this in Thor Ragnarok when Thor first wanted Hulk's power to escape prison but then later wanted Bruce's intelligence to escape Sakaar. Bruce, rightfully pointed out how Thor didn't care about Bruce and just saw him as utility. Also, Hulk I think is a great representation of the ways society mistreats men. We condition them to be monsters and capable of extreme violence that we will then point at whoever meeds some violence, but then treat them like ticking time bombs and possible dangers when their isn't fighting going on. Basically.... Society: conditions to be violence objects Also society: *surprised pikachu face* when he ends up being violent just like they conditioned him to be
Out of every single character they could have written for the She-Hulk to say she has had it harder in life than they had the pick The Hulk. That character goes beyond basic gender issues. The Hulk literally has it harder than most of the entire Marvel Universe. There are very few characters more tortured than him.
I'd say thor had it the hardest. Lost his mom, dad, brother (twice) best friend heimdall, gf, left eye, planet, people, hammer, and so much more Then he became alcoholic, stayed away from any kind of human contact, getting a beer belly
@@deathstroke7316 Very good points about Thor. I'd also put Steve and Bucky in the top 5 or 10 most tortured MCU characters, being frozen and taken out of their own time, losing everyone and everything they knew and loved. Black Widow probably has it as one of the worst as well, essentially being a child soldier, and probably had very few genuinely happy moments in her life.
The hulk is a pretty dark character, "I didn't see an end, so I put a bullet in my mouth and the other guy spit it out.". Not sure if everyone remembers this line.
While I agree that hulk was a dark character at one point (originally modelled after Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde), he now mainly serve as a vehicle for jokes.
@@lennyztrobos8678 Very true. Edward Norton brought the gravitas back to the Hulk that it needed, but then Marvel decided to tone it down and turn him into a literal comedic relief character who was little more than a bumbling fool. Also, Ruffalo in no way came across to me as a brilliant nerd scientist the way Norton did.
Hulk: “I watched half of everyone on Earth turn to dust” She-Hulk: “Everybody came back!” Hulk: “Because I almost killed myself _bringing_ everybody back!”
Funny how in the first episode she complains about "incompetent men telling her about her field of expertise" while shitting on bruce about being a hulk which hes been for 15 years, yet shes only been a hulk for a few days. The writers have no self awareness of their own irony
Tony - Captured by terrorist , went through years of losing his team & a boy who’s like a son to him. Almost lost the love of his life. Sacrifice himself for the good of the world Steve - Looked down for being small but never bothered about it, fight for the country, jump on a grenade, got brought into years later and never be able to see the love of his life Bruce - went through failed experimentation to the point he got into depression and can’t even kill himself. Had to deal with Another angry person inside of him for years. Lost the person he loves (Romanov) Romanov - became a tool for combat. Basically lost her family and sacrificed herself for the good of the world. Hawkeye - went through years of his family missing, had a dark phase where he had to kill for a living. Lost a best friend (Romanov), Thor - siblings are all evil. Lost his brother when they were about to be in good terms. Lost his entire nation. Lost the love of his life Peter - lost his father figure, lost his uncle, lost his aunt. Everyone who loves him who’s live don’t recognize him anymore Dr Strange - got into life threatening accident and almost lost his ability to even move. Can never be in contact with the one who he thought would be the love of his life. Wanda - lost the man she loved. Lost her brother. Wanted a family but got taken away to the extend she had to go into a dark side to regain it. And here we have She-hulk Jenn - can’t find the perfect guy. Got into an accident without any life threatening injury. Even though lost her job , instantly got one specially for her. Can’t find wifi connection. The boy she likes not texting back
Star Lord- his mother was killed by his father when he was a child and he was abducted by aliens and raised as a space pirate Shang-Chi-His mother was murdered and his father put him through an abusive training corps for the next seven years of his life to harden him into becoming a merciless assassin The Eternals-discover that they’re the puppets of an uncaring god and a force of creative destruction instead of creation Daredevil-His mentally ill mother nearly accidentally got him killed after he was born, he got toxic waste in his eyes as a child which permanently blinded him, his father was murdered, his father figure Stick abandoned him, his love interest Electra turned out to be a spy and assassin who was manipulating him and he was framed for mass terrorism twice Jessica Jones-Mind controlled and raped Luke Cage, framed for a crime, imprisoned, nearly killed, subjected to an unethical experiment and repeatedly targeted by snake-themed gangs Danny Rand, his parents were murdered, he was crashed into the Himalayas and trained by warrior monks who punished him for failure with a beating and rewarded him for success with new training and after he went back to New York his own kith and kin turned against him and put him in a lunatic asylum Punisher-his entire family was murdered in an unsuccessful attempt to shut him up Marc Spector-so thoroughly abused by his mother when he was a child that he developed a split personality
@@matityaloran9157 exactly.. so many more in the list which have struggled even worst. and now we have someone who just feels sad and pain cause she just can't find the right man to be with.. wtf
@@agliodario8748 It’s not that there’s anything wrong with having that be the protagonist’s struggle, it’s that having her belittle the struggles of other characters to describe her own problems, without acknowledging that she’s wrong, just makes the character obnoxious and unlikeable, which could work if it were treated like a character flaw but it’s not. The way she behaves it would make perfect sense to tell her “you know there are starving children in Wakanda, who would love to have your problems”. (Speaking of which, did we mention Black Panther in our lists, his father was murdered by terrorists, his country was invaded by his cousin and put through a civil war and then invaded a second time by aliens and he was put through five years of non-existence).
@@matityaloran9157 hhmm yeah you're right... plus the she-hulk we know in the comic have alot of respect towards bruce.. people are dissapointed too because she-hulk in the comic was so loved but they completely ruined that in the live action
@@agliodario8748 See, I didn’t read the comics but I liked She-Hulk in the cartoon from 1996 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Hulk_(1996_TV_series) and that does include things like Jen meeting the people who thought she was a loser in high school and showing them up now that she’s She-Hulk but in that cartoon she never says or implies that she has it worse than Bruce does but is actually quite compassionate towards him. And even in the episode that I’m referencing She-Hulk ends up saving the people she’s showing up from the Monster of the Week in response to the attack because that’s what she does. And the live-action show could have managed something like that if the online trolls who gave her hell ended up being the would-be victims of the climactic villain and She-Hulk ended up having to save the people she most hated. There would be some problems with execution but (if Titania were smarter) they could easily have had it revealed that Titania had experienced a similar misogynistic backlash as She-Hulk did and therefore wanted to target and kill those men for it with it being revealed that the Toxic Men aren’t the villain but the people She-Hulk has to save much to her chagrin. I know that Thor basically did the same thing when Thor discovers that Loki’s actually planning to murder the Frost Giants, ancestral enemies of Asgard, rather than being in league with them and as such Thor has to save his most hated adversaries so it’s something the MCU already did once but it worked when they did it. In a series of fantasy novels I’m reading called The Stormlight Archive by Brandon Sanderson, the Hero has to swear an Oath that “I will protect those who cannot protect themselves and I will protect even those I hate so long as it is right” and he struggles with the latter part of it and that’s a part of why he works as a character. (I know I got a bit off topic with that one.)
Her phone's background is a pic of Steve Roger's ass in his Cpt America uniform. The writers are either masterminds at playing both sides or they really believe "it's not the same when a woman does it"
Bruce: *Was beaten and possibly sexually abused by his father most of his childhood, had to watch his mother get murdered in front of his eyes by said father, turned into a radioactive monster against his will trying to protect another person from harm, has such deeply repressed traumatic memories that they literally manifest as an alternative personality when he gets too angry, so depressed that he has attempted suicide at least once, probably more, yet in spite of that he's still pretty chill and willing to help others.* Jen: "A man I wasn't into looked at me earlier, I ALMOST FUCKING DIED BRUCE"
to add onto it, he has attempted suicide multiple times. if he was normal (not hulk) they would have been successful. the hulk side manages to turn every situation into a failure.
Marvel did a really good job at making a realistic lawyer character. Everyone depises lawyers and everyone despises She-Hulk. They're truly talented over there at Marvel.
I've never heard everyone despises lawyers. But yes she hulk is a SHIT human being, a SHIT lawyer, a SHIT cousin. Yet she got FEMALE Lawyer of the year. Which turns out they all got it. Fuck that show. I will Never... EVER watch that shit again. I can still appreciate something from loki, fatws, w.i., and wandavision but she hulk is just the worst.
@captainamerica7800 Damn man, relax lol it does suck though because, in the comics and old TV show, she's a lady boss at all 3 of those things, but in the show she's a bitch.
There’s also the fact that Bruce is the only character with a canonical suicide attempt. Marvel has done work to stay real far away from mentions of suicide, but not him.
@@ConstellationEternalLucidDream I'm not sure that's ever confirmed as a suicide attempt. I'd wager it's probably true, yeah, but Loki being Loki I can see it being some other shenanigans. Good spot though, I completely forgot about that.
Bruce can't die. As in he physically can't die. the hulk won't let him die. He's tried to kill himself an innumerable number of times, even got erased by a nuke and still came back. This man's suffering is beyond reach for pity. This man even spit out bullets when he tried to kill himself out of misery.
It’s happened several times in the comics. He was killed by the Sentinels in the Days of Future Past timeline (probably by Nimrod but it was never 100% confirmed how they did it). Hulk is immeasurably strong but he’s not immortal. And I think Dr. Strange defeated him a couple times by channeling a fraction of Zom’s power, a mystical entity that can obliterate 95% of the Marvel Universe. Lastly, Wolverine literally tore through Hulk’s bowels & intestines after he devoured him in the Old Man Logan storyline. So killing/defeating Hulk is incredibly difficult, but not impossible.
Hulk: - Exposed to extreme gamma radiation - Extreme and uncontrollable most of his life - Stranded on a planet for 2 years with nothing but his insane mind - Only Marvel character to have canonically tried to commit suicide - An outcast and a documented criminal - Has to face the consequences of his uncontrollable destruction - Watched his friends die after getting whooped by Thanos She-Hulk - “Sometimes men look at me funny”
Let's not also forget he had a horribly abusive father who killed his mother. And his wife was murdered by his father in law who was illegally chasing the hulk down for absolutely no God damned reason
@@OfMyMemories yes but they're in different contexts. Hawkeye and Black Widow were trying to commit suicide to save the world. Hulk was trying to commit suicide for the sole purpose of ending his life.
Bruce: "one day i put a bullet in my mouth just for the other guy to spit it out..." She-Hulk: "yeah but, some men make me feel uncomfortable, so i obviously have it worst than you." Fans: ...you making a villain here, right?
she hulk is obviously going to be the villain in the next marvel phase🤣 she will drive the male population insane😂 which gives us the perfect excuse to bring back Capt America the most masculine avenger to defeat this crazy villain🤣 oh gosh...
im still mad about the fact hulk ain't heal his arm instantly I'm the comics his healing factor is amazing plus the snap was like all gamma so it shouldn't have burned his arm in the first place
@@HKNuke I don't think you understand what the stones are. They were made at the same time as the universe came into being meaning they hold enough power to create a universe. Hulk got away with a burnt arm because he absorbed most of the gamma rays, there are other cosmic rays that exist in the universe. Anti-matter and dark matter for example. We don't have many ways to interact with them but we know they exist infinitely in space cause if not, Coulomb's force, that keeps charges away from each other would have nothing to oppose it so atoms will repel from one another and dark-matter is basically the gravity that negates that repulsion. Anti-matter is even worse, matter + anti-matter = 0, they violently combine to form nothing so Hulk should have lost his whole arm but because his healing is insanely fast, it was only burnt by the energy of a universe.
They didn't butcher his character...? Y'all just want him to stay uncontrollable and just a straight hothead. His life has changed and he has hulk fully under control now so of course he's gonna be different
I lost it on the "Infinitely more than you" line, too. The story of the Hulk, of Bruce Banner, or David... whichever variant of cannon you're looking at... Is a story of pain, of every sort, in endless measure. He was abused as a child, experimented on, watched his mother be murdered, watched his wife die because he wa physically weaker than the average guy (not MCU), finds love again only to be dosed with gamma and killing dozens of people the first time he hulks out... Eventually leaves her to prevent her being used by her own father to get at him... And while searching for a cure, his blood is used to create the abominatino, killing hundreds.. Guilt dragged him out of hiding to deal with that, then he goes back only to be dragged back against his will and magic used on him to make him repeat the abomination scenario ... himself. The line about eating a bullet was misplaced, because ANGER has never been the problem for Bruce Banner. Survival has. He is constantly undergoing pain of the sort that would destroy any other living thing outright, or at the least, shatter the mind of any other person... But he's trapped forever in the health of the Hulk, unable to even lose his mind in a meaningful way because even his brain is constantly being healed. He's trapped in what could very well be an immortal body that prevents him ever having any kind of life, and makes him a constant target for all manner of creature. But yeah, she gets catcalled, so he should just shut it and let her tell Him how to be a Hulk.
I would have absolutely loved it if Bruce would have simply responded to her in a sarcastic tone something like: "Yeah, of course, sorry, what do I know, I mean, I was only just abused and experimented on by my dad who also killed my mom, then I worked my ass off by myself and studied hard to get 7 PhDs only to get caught up in radioactive lab accident which I only survived because my abusive father's experiments made my split personality disorder, which he also caused, absorb the blast only to transform me in a huge green monster on a whim. I also definitely loved the fact that I was then hunted for years by the government in an operation to catch, experiment on and then kill me, lead by my girlfriend's father, which lead me to try to kill myself and when I couldn't even manage that, had to finally run to another continent, where I was still not left alone. Joining the Avengers was especially easy, loved having to ward off an alien invasion, hurting people I care about against my will, getting mind controlled to hurt even more people, getting trapped for two years in my own body on an alien planet, and having to fight in a war against gods right after I wake up just so that I can return to Earth. I also didn't care that all those nice people I met on the ship were immediately murdered in front of me while I could only helplessly watch, and continue to doubt myself after being unable to stop the genocide of half the universe, which I only was able to fix after 5 years of trying to fix myself and after many deaths of people close to me and having to resist the pain of the very fabric of the universe in gem form trying to tear my arm apart. But yeah, what do I know about your pain, silly me.
"Let's show how strong women are by making a woman with first world problems convince herself she's a bigger victim than the guy who got shafted by the ENTIRE MCU because she's a woman"
Supposedly the character whose whole struggle and focus theme is anger management is less good at it than a random woman because wOmEn gO tHrOuGh sO mUcH. Also she says she had to learn to control her anger otherwise she would have been stigmatized as the stereotypical "emotional woman", as if emotional or irritable men were praised in society or something. As always they confuse being strong and assertive with being an overly emotional and angry crybaby.
She never says she’s more of a victim. She says she doesn’t need the same anger management training that Bruce did because she’s better at controlling her anger than Bruce was when he first became the Hulk, which is obviously true …
Bruce's struggles: - My boy Bruce was a human experiment since birth all the way to his childhood - His dad killed his mom. - The father of his first love hunted him down through all of the American continent back and forth. Not to mention the fact he couldn't get stressed in any way (incapable of getting angry or even getting laid). - He started to have a "normal life" in Calcuta, far away from any conflict, to get dragged once again for the greater good and suffer once again. - The second love of his life, dead. - One of his closest friends, dead. - Being forced by Wanda to destroy an entire city and a gigantic feeling of remorse after that. - Trapped in the body of his co-host in another planet for 2 years. - After being stuck in Hulk's body for that longo, didn't even get a second of peace, until Thanos beat his ass. - Watch himself how half the f*cking universe banished from existence. - Lose an arm in order to get half of the universe back. - Still being afraid of losing control, and the feeling of guilt of all Hulk's past damage to the human race. - Fear that his beloved cousin has to go through the same ton of crap he went through. She-Hulk's struggles: - Being cat-called in the streets. - Get mansplained in her job. Seriously???
Careful, they might think you're getting "too emotional" about this. Fucking ridiculous. Jen seems like she can be an AMAZING character, but they bring us in like this? What the fuck?
Don't forget the multiple attempted suicide attempts and years worth of therapy/ work to handle the balance of not hating himself due to deep depression. Screw Jen
"And everybody came back" Yes, he was literally the guy that brought them back at the cost of scorching half of his body, an injury he then immediately fought Thanos' Army with
But somehow she's better because he used her blood to heal himself. The self-worthy entitlement is criminal. Like she's a scientist that did the research and figured out a way to fix his arm.
That doesn't compare to getting catcalled though, "don't act like you know!" Who are they trying to relate to anyways? Just about every female I know says that type of activity makes them feel more confident. To get randomly complimented or hit on by a working class stranger, would make another human feel better if they aren't so ready to be offended by everything, and just accept the damn complement.
"I get cat called" You are an upper class attorney who was just given a massive career opportunity purely because of your superpowers. How about you deal with a little bit of imposter syndrome instead of shitting on the man who saved your life? The dude used to destroy cities because he stubbed his toe and you're like "woah you are being way too overbearing here." People hated captain marvel because she mastered her own powers INSTANTLY, had no real life problems to overcome and was gifted everything. Looks like it's happening again. Seriously, look at the shit spiderman has to endure to continue his double life as Peter Parker and spiderman, then compare that to she-hulk or captain marvel. They have so much more power just given to them, which they master instantly. Then they don't even need to lead a double life. Their only obstacle to overcome is a handful of evil men holding them back.
I remember in an interview, Stan Lee said that he always made his characters these larger than life heroes, but gave them real world problems. And let's be honest, that's why they did so well. Because they were these gods and heroes, but despite that they were relatable in a sense. They had real problems. Now, with She Hulk, Disney is essentially undoing all of that. Not saying that catcalling and stuff like that is ok, but just the fact that your having a character who's one of the last original Avengers, who's gone through a massive amount of pain and trauma, suddenly become the exact opposite of what he was meant to be, and be overshadowed by a character who is similar to him, but not as dark, is disappointing and in all honesty, in my opinion, it feels like they are spitting on Stan's grave and destroying what he and many others worked so hard to build. But this is all just my opinion and how I see this
Captain marvel bothered me cause in the old comics she had a lot of issues like did you know that at one point she was a major a alcoholic it was so bad that Tony Stark even called her out for it. For those of you that didn't know in the comics Tony was a major alcoholic to the point it was rare to see him without a bottle in his hand.
@@ToxicVex267 I remember reading a Deadpool issue which took place during Tony's sober phase. The man was suffering hard from withdrawal and Deadpool tries to help him deal with it. Albeit the end goal was save Tony's soul from a demon but the action was there.
I love the irony that her entire life is a "struggle," but she is not presented with a single thing she doesn't instantly master (vocation, housing, not forced to overcome another personality, mastering hulk powers, fighting skills, ect..). How does someone grow if there is no challenge? Worst character yet.
@@redmist4963 She'll never fight them because those opponents are "sympathetic" and who she is. You can't tell her to change who she is. That's cruel. Let people be mean and self destructive! XD
@@destinyhntr kind of what Bruce Banner had to do with the Hulk though. His alter ego is what he considers to be his worse half, and he has to learn how to live with it. Hers is what she considers to be her better half, and she would have to learn how to live with her non-Hulk side. Of course they might not go that route. They might just be flat and have her just succeed at everything.
It's a subtle destruction of the character the comic book She-Hulk would never say that s*** as a child Bruce would go over her house to hide from his dad when he abused him
I’ve had so much hate come at me for criticizing this scene. People have actually called me “gross and embarrassing” for suggesting better ways to do scenes like this. Thank you for making this.
@@chrishoppner7875 the “gross and embarrassing” line came from a friends fiancé. Never talked to the woman. This was her first convo with me. Then he got mad when I called her a Dick for saying that to me
@@bobtower66 depends on your definition of friend. I’m closer with some people I’ve never met irl than some of my friends who live within a half hour drive from me. With the internet, friendship has a looser definition
@@Dearevanhansen223 sorry to hear that their people you know irl, that's the worst. But it makes a bit more sense now knowing it came from someone you previously hadn't really got to know. She sounds kinda rude tbh. Was mostly saying that you expect people you interact with in person to be a bit more polite.
@Cannabis Dreams we dont even live in a patriarchy. We live in a matriarchy, a women can easily say u r worded her and everyone will believe her, a women has a better chance of getting hired then a man, a women, especially a white women has the best life out of any other race on this planet until they hit 30 lmaooo
It's accurate to the comics though. That's the point, Bruce is mentally damaged, he had another personality in there because he didn't deal with his traumatising past (which isn't portrayed in the movies). He is obviously doing better now as shown by him being in the hulk state and still not flipping into the hulk persona. She-Hulk doesn't have multiple personality disorder from the get-go, so her anger is not as big an issue. Bruce's mistake is assuming other people would have the same mental disorder he has. That still doesn't mean what Bruce did is wrong, but he's obviously not great at understanding this from her perspective.
@@GuestDude_HandlesAreDumb I'm not saying she's dealing with it well, I'm saying she's dealing with it better than a person with a debilitating mental illness.
@@GuestDude_HandlesAreDumb And to be clear, I totally believe the healthy thing for her to do would be to appreciate his advice, but then she's a little stuck in her own issues.
@@Grintock she clearly has mental illness... probably a variant of personality disorder or narcissism. Arguably anyone making the arguments she made in this scene is mentally ill.
Disney’s been doing this plot point of “you wouldn’t understand, im just so troubled” a lot nowadays and they always convey it in the worst way against the worst characters. If they actually showed how these characters struggled with their problems in ACTUAL meaningful ways (like physically being unable to go through with their daily lives and ACTUALLY showing that they’ve lost everything) instead of just occasional minor inconveniences and then complaining that the established hero’s they are taking too who’ve gone through multiple movies and arks don’t have it as rough as them who have had like MAYBE 1 hour of screen time total is just so dumb.
That's why I just stick with like the old spider man's and the spectacular Spider-Man the cartoon is amazing I can't believe how much better it is in the stories then what I hear from she hulk
'i deserve only good things to happen to me because i had some bad stuff happen to me in the past...'this is called being an adult and its shocking that almost always women are using this line in order to try and cover their asses for doing something horrible.
I don't think you're necessarily right. Episode 1 was a little boring, and a little divisive, but I think that's part of the character of she-hulk. At least, I certainly hope it is; I think that through these nine episodes of she-hulk, Jen will learn that she really doesn't have it worse than Bruce, and she'll have to learn that she's not as good at doing what she does is she thinks she is.
Whether she’s human or hulked out, she’s lucid from the get go. When Bruce came out of it his question was, “How many people did I kill?” He literally sacrificed his human self so he could keep the beast under control and prevent innocents from dying.
That is the point. Hulk has infinite, untapped potential, at the cost of a nigh-complete instability. She is stable, but will never amount for anything greater than she already has. Kinda like Abomination, she is failed experiment - there is no exponential power growth in either of them… Only Hulk is truly unique and interesting, comparatively speaking. So, Hulk acting grown up with a smile compared to an inferior version of himself who is delusional and made herself to believe that “she has it harder”…. Pinnacle or comedy and irony. Hulk is akin to a long-fuse nuclear bomb. She Hulk is a short-fuse fire cracker… And it SHOWS in how they behave and approach these things.
@@kingol4801But the problem is that isn’t what she’s supposed to be. She got turned into a Hulk by getting exposed to his blood, so why in the world would she turn out so different for absolutely no reason?
@Croach193 Because of lower dosage and lack of neurodivergence. Banner had Hulk alter-ego even before he became Hulk. Banner suffered from dissociative personality disorder due to his (in some versions, parental) trauma. All radiation did was let the Hulk out, but radiation did not give birth to that identity - Banner did many years ago. So, Hulk was neurodivergent. His brain chemistry was abnormal. Therefore, She-Hulk got a lower dose of Hulk’s radiation, as well as did not possess any unique or exceptional brain chemistry to make it work. So, She Hulk got very very generic Hulk powers. In comics (old man Logan) Hulk grapes She-Hulk and produces incest kids. All Hulk offsprings gain typical Hulk abilities, but in a manner how she-hulk does - very limited extent of them, with no room for massive growth. Hulk (superhero name) is different because he is Hulk (“evil” second identity of Bruce Banner). Hulk is unique and an outlier compared to every other Hulk-powered hero or villain, because of his mental disorder.
I mean there’s small details of the scene that could lead to her getting a large dose of reality straight to the side of the head later, but as the scene stands now it’s just awful.
@@irradiatedice98 Why? According to the initial comment people tried to defend it, he/she/they, still feels its horrendous. What bothered you about my response?
Yeah that's the true value of a comedian. Only the court jesters could ridicule the king and the taboo and fanatical parts of the kingdom without getting his head chopped off. Nowadays we need that more than ever, since cancel culture is basically a way of stopping people with views that the woke kiddies don't agree with from making money to feed themselves. Its an attempted execution without calling it an execution.
My favorite interpretation of this scene is that Bruce's hulk is much more difficult to control due to MUCH more trauma and baggage, and Jens is much more easy because she never had it like Bruce did
That exactly how it is in canon. Bruce has intense psychological issues beyond just anger, and has who knows how many personalities inside his head. Jen is a functional human being which is why she can control herself so easily.
That's the same in the comics. They even did the same thing where Bruce tries to help train Jennifer. Major difference being Jennifer is sympathetic to Bruce's dilemma, and she comforts him in knowing that she'll be fine and that she loves it. She was very understanding and friendly to Bruce in the comics, since they grew up together after Bruce's dad was taken to prison. It's hard to see the same Jennifer from the comics in the show, since in the comics she used to be an average everywoman before becoming the She-Hulk and being confident and happy in her new form.
I thought it was mentioned at some point in the comics that bruce “hulked out” before actually becoming the hulk. His alternate personality and rage issues arent actually because of the gamma accident they were just given form by it. He would already go into blackout rages
Also she has way less of the stuff that made Bruce become hulk, so logically speaking she should be able to control it better since it should be weaker than Bruce’s
I think the scene is parallel to society. As a woman, it pisses me off that women really do believe they have it worse than everybody else. Life shits on all of us. Yes in different ways, and yes in some worst ways than others but pain is pain. Trauma is trauma. Society stays sweeping men’s trauma under the rug. It’s rude and disgusting. This constant contest of who has it worse is so annoying. The need to compare hardships is so weird to me.
Did she even say she had it harder than Bruce? She just said that she is better at controlling her anger due to the social stigma of being an angry woman. Bruce's alter ego and difficulty managing his anger makes sense due to his childhood trauma. It's amazing that so many people misconstrued something that is pretty simple. A lot of fragile dudes out here.
@@lurkingposter saying she’s better at controlling her anger. When he’s controlled his anger under much more extreme circumstances. She’s lost her temper to getting cat called.
You're only a victim if you allow yourself to be. Some enjoy living it because it excuses them from taking personal responsibility for their lives. Imagine how pathetic you have to be to always desire people's validation and pity.
On some real shit tho, the amount of shit that Bruce banner went through in the MCU lore after getting blasted with megatons of gamma rays was a lot worse than what she-hulk has to deal with. When she got her powers, her life was pretty much better
I'm glad to see people calling this nonsense out, props. Remember folks: Trivial everyday issues that both men and women deal with aren't okay for women to put up with, and it makes them stronger than men for enduring it. Even though men endure the same thing and get invalidated for it. Is She Hulk going to take on a legal case where a man was constantly being sexually harassed by female employees on a near daily basis? Doubtful. This reminds me of the alopecia thing a few months back, where women were literally saying men going bald isn't an issue, but it is one for women. Y'know, the same kind of women who mock and ridicule bald men and say they're flat out unattractive for being bald. That's okay for men to go through, but it's *infinitely worse* for women to be bald. Especially when that whole discussion was the result of a woman who voluntarily shaved her head and more than likely lied about having alopecia. Whose daughter also shaved her head. Welcome to 2022. It's only getting dumber here on in.
Have you ever heard of the movie Idiocracy? It's a stupid funny type of movie and isn't for everyone, but when you said "It's only getting dumber here on in" reminded me of the movie. Yeah you might be right Society might just be getting dumber and 500 years from now we might live in the same society as was in the movie. Incase you don't know what the movie is about; 500 years into the future everybody is stupid. That's the TL;DR. The actual summary is that this Perfectly average in every which was guy in the year 2005 goes into cryostasis. Supposed to be in there for a year, but the military's cryostasis' funds are lost in the middle of the project. So fast forward 500 years the idiots of society have a bunch of offspring and the smart people don't have any or very little offspring. Each passing generation the idiots keep out numbering the smart people to the point where everyone on the planet is a moron. Then the main character gets out of cryostasis and after sometime people find out that this Average intellegent guy from the year 2005 is the smartest man on the planet and then he solves the crop famine problem by using water for crops instead of Gatorade. Who knew gatorade was bad for plants. Then the guy becomes president. The End.
get catcalled as a man? you're not a true man if you don't go with her and have unprotected sex. get catcalled as a woman? obvious misogyny and sexual assault. society
I was hoping that with the Wanda Vision series that the MCU was gonna start pushing towards Avengers vs. X-Men but I dont think it's gonna happen. End game should have been the End.
The worst part about this scene wasn’t what everyone keeps bringing up - it’s the fact even Jennifer acknowledges Bruce’s trauma and then brushes it aside like it wasn’t a big deal AND then goes on to say how men try to tell her how to do her how to handle her area of expertise while trying to tell Bruce how to handle his area of expertise. If you really listen to her, she just comes off as a hypocrite. But another thing people seemed to not notice or care about, was Jen was full of shit, she doesn’t know how to control her anger and they showed that by her hulking out at the end of the conversation. Then to top it off, the actual truth makes it all far worse. The only reason Jen can control it “better” is because Bruce was exposed to far more gamma radiation than she ever was. The Savage She Hulk run showed us what Jennifer Is like after more exposure and she’s exactly the same as Bruce is with Savage Hulk. Just another case of the writers forcing bullshit on the audience while not knowing or caring for the source material.
actually she is worse than bruce, that was HER savage hulk isn't bruce, it's hulk. hulk is almost like a soul of his own, it has shown multiple times he can exist in a body without bruce. so bascially she's a psycho on the level of hulk, a creation made to infintitly hate and rage on his mother's killer🤦♂
@@PoeticSonic yeah its incredibly obvious you don't actually read the comics because Banner very much does have a Savage Hulk form, I mentioned it to contrast how Jennifer acted after she syphoned the gamma radiation off a celestial and became as aggressive and hulked out as Banners Savage Hulk. Jennifer never had the split personality, in fact no Hulk does other than Bruce, not his sons, not Betty, not Ross etc and the reason for that stems from always bottling up his anger which the others didnt do - however, Bruce was exposed to more gamma radiation than literally all of them combined which is why he became so unstable unlike the others. I own literally multiple thousands of comics, thousands of just Marvel branded comics and easily at least 300+ Hulk comics alone. pretty safe to say I'm well versed in the Hulk mythos
@@jantheking7028 believe it or not im actually a big fan of the games in general, but it is the reason you're thinking. some people still get very upset about it.
If She-Hulk was in The Avenger Captain: “Now might be a really good time to be angry” She-Hulk: “I’m sorry. I don’t need an old timer white male to tell me, a smart independent female lawyer to do what in what situation” Tony: “uuuuh guys, may hurry it up a little bit” She-Hulk: “And I certainly do NOT need a rich white male playboy to push me, a smart independent female lawyer superheroine to do what in what situation” Black Widow: “That’s it. I’m calling Banner. Steer it Tony” Tony: “On my way” *lead the alien away* She-Hulk: “Why don’t you call THE Captain Marvel? You think female superheroine is not worth enough for this situation as a psycho male superhero” Director: “CUT CUT CUT. What’re you doing, follow the script” She-Hulk *gets angry*
@@Blake-pn6xm It'll just be She-Hulk be like "My life is harder than you guys", then Matt says he's blind and Frank says his wife and child died and She-Hulk insults both of them
She-Hulk: "I suffer infinitely more than you!" Dardevil: "I'm blind..." She-Hulk: "So? Society turns a blind eye on the injustice of me getting cat called by average to below average looking men!" Daredevil: "I can't see..." She-Hulk: "Yes, you as a man can't see how much I have to get through as a white privileged woman these days!" Daredevil:" I have no vision..." She-Hulk: "You can't envision what pain I have to endure when I have to wait 5 minutes to get my double Mocca Latte at Starbucks, because I am a woman!"
Also love how she complained about “mansplaining” to a PhD scientist who created the Hulk potion IN THE first place who had 15 years of experience dealing with it.
@@Mr_Crafter1234 firstly we don't talk about 2008's "the incredible Hulk"🤢 Secondly, it was Samuel Sterns who made the "hulk juice", Banner himself would never want to make another hulk🤦🏻♂️
My #1 issue w/ this show so far is She-Hulk punking Hulk so frequently. No matter that Bruce is a SCIENTIST and has been a Hulk for MANY YEARS compared to her!!!
@@drex5160 wtf you saying? The Incredible Hulk was the most terrifying hulk version I've seen. Although the story is mediocre, the visuals are awesome, boi. If it's your opinion, alright and take care
The fact that she is complaining about men talking to her about her area of expertise while she’s trying to explain how her life is harder and talking about how much better she controls her ANGER than HULK. I’m so done with Disneys bullshit.
It's not even that... mr "patriarchy strawman" is also a lawyer so it's his area of expertise too... it's not like some random dude that knows nothing about the law is doing it. It's linda his fucking job.
@@prophecykings1848 lmao sure, I imagine it’s a single woman who’s saying that? The thing is that they don’t have to, where did it become necessary to poison fictional stories and characters with real life issues and controversy? It’s because the director and the cast are a bunch of mid 30s crisis single women that are desperate for feminist attention.
Yeah, at least with comic She-Hulk, her greater control was balanced by her far weaker strength, she could control her anger better, but there was far less of it
People also seem to miss the fact that she literally hulked out just thinking about being mad… if it was reversed, that would have resulted in Bruce leveling the city…
Exactly that exactly why bruce is right mfs keep saying "shes a woman she can control her anger" she almost killed some people he cant let her out and do that again
Yeah Bruce would have leveled the city because he has an alternate split personality that's an uncontrollable rage monster. Jen doesn't have a rage monster alternate personality, is able to control her emotions (including her anger infinitely better than he did since all he did for most of his time as Hulk was to repress them. which is NOT the same as controlling btw), and Bruce really didn't know how to handle that aspect of Jen becoming a Hulk. That was kind of the entire point of the episode. Did you miss that part?
"Like when incompetent men explain my own profession and areas of expertise" My sister in christ you are explaining anger management *STRAIGHT TO THE FUCKING HULK*
Even better is that her argument gets destroyed utterly by just one line from The Avengers. "That's my secret, Captain.....I'm always angry." The mere fact that Bruce isn't *constantly* Hulking out, when he's "always angry", is reason enough to declare that yeah, he's actually much better at controlling his anger than Jen is.
My boy Bruce has literally been in hiding for fucking YEARS on top of living in fear, bro was incapable of having a romantic relationship, especially sex because for a while he couldn’t risk his heart rate elevating and getting too excited. As it was said in the Incredible Hulk movie, which is still cannon to this version of Bruce Banner. On top of him being involved with anyone puts them in immediate danger. Betty was lucky she just so happened to be the Generals daughter. My guy spent years living in fear while being hunted down by the American Government. Bro moved to another country and they was STILL on his ass! I ain’t even finna bother incorporating the comics. I’ma just keep it all MCU. Bruce has spent all that time literally fighting another whole ass personality for control. Scared shitless he’d get angry, turn into the hulk and never be himself again. His BEST case scenario was professor hulk. All that shit and this bitch wanna compare that to being CAT CALLED??!!!! ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!
That's one thing I wished the MCU showed more. The cartoon Earth's Mightiest Heroes portrayed it very well. Everytime Bruce turns into the Hulk there's always a chance he never reverts back. They're always fighting for control.
Let's see here: Brucie: Beaten by his father for years, trauma so intense it literally created a psychotic rage monster inside him, hunted by the US military for years, seen as a monster by... 99% of the world, watched his mother get murdered in front of him, lost literally everything (his home, his gf, his job, his livelihood, and his reputation), wasted years of his life running, banished to another planet, had his wife murdered by the illuminati, his son hates him, and all around just has the worst luck. She-Hulk: Hurr Durr Wahmen.
As someone who has experienced childhood trauma, psychotic rage monster is pretty apt. My sister once beat a kid blind for hitting a pregnant teacher, she blacked out and hulked out on the kid due to her trauma of seeing my father beat my mother and the two of us.
People who legitimately do this and use their experiences of oppression to invalidate genuinely serious experiences men have, are so much more harmful than I can even feel like typing out rn. Like, just cause men may not be a part of a marginalized group, doesn’t mean that they can’t go through things just as valid and real as anyone else. I’ve personally known women who were kinda like this, where anytime Id try to open up about my experiences, I’m shut down by being told that she has it worse. It’s like those people think we don’t have the right to our emotions.
Don’t you get the memo ? When it comes to victimhood , only women matter , they are the only one who are allowed to be victims ,it’s always about them . You ask who made this rule ? Women themselves . They decided only they can be victims.
@@pagatryx5451 well not in any civilized countries, but if you have a problem with actual misogyny in the world you're "Islamophobic" or "Xenophobic" against Asians
I was hoping at least one other person would bring it up. They straight up minimized a mentally unstable man's trauma to make she-hulk look better. It's fucked
She-Hulk: "I get catcalled and men try to do tell me how to do my job." Bruce: *attempted suicide after having to cut himself off from everyone he loves because the government tried to track him down*
@@EmphaticNod Actually, during Tony's funeral, you can see that everyone, except Banner himself, is fully healed, so it was likely over a week later that they lost Steve. But, yes, Nat and Tony passed within twelve hours of each other, at most.
She-Hulk's style of humor would've been PERFECT for the MCU, and her story could actually empower women In lots of ways while also showing the strength of family bonds with the Hulk. But no, instead we got the MCU equivalent of a Netflix adaptation.
The She-Hulk that was in the 90s marvel cartoons was excellent, because she was already a capable lawyer respected in her profession before she even became She-Hulk. After she became She-Hulk things changed for her, but she became both hero and a lawyer. She also didn't have Bruce's issues so she didn't have the Jekyll and Hyde transformation cycle.
@@lauanobell7324 Yup. Tried suicide via all sorts of methods, eventually gave up. Dude was mentally falling off a cliff trying to stop the death, pain and destruction by sacrificing himself. But it's nothing compared to the trauma of being called beautiful by some stranger.
Bruce: "I got real low. I put a bullet in my mouth, and the other guy spit it out" Jen: "Bruce, stop mAnSpLaiNiNg how to feel emotion smh" (Also the fact that she just punches him out of nowhere after he'd done nothing but try and help her, AND SMILES ABOUT IT, actually enraged me. Imagine roles reverses lmao)
I like how she says she hates having her own area of expertise explained to her, as she *explains controlling anger to the Hulk.* And you just know for a fact that the writers don’t see the issue, here.
I only saw Critical Drinker's review of it, but to my understanding, the show absolutely failed at the basic principal of "Show, don't tell". We never actually see any of her so-called struggles (even as pathetically petty as they sound in comparison to everything Bruce went through), and if anything, she just had another female character singing her praises like no tomorrow.
@@YamatoFukkatsu they did show the struggles she was talking about it in the first episode. Not trying to be on the she hulks defense, I don’t like the show either
and you already know what the writers will say about videos and comments like this. it's something from Column A (the patriarchy, chauvinists, misogynists, incels, angry men, etc) responding with backlash towards something from Column B (the oppressed, independent strong women, feminism, equality, etc). Nothing to do with the depth or the story lacking.
Bruce openly admitted he put a gun in his mouth and ATTEMPTED SUICIDE in Avengers 1: "So, I put a bullet in my mouth, and the other guy spit it out." HE IS NOT OKAY, HE NEEDS A HUG
Bruce attempting suicide was also a deleted scene in The Incredible Hulk. Except in the deleted scene, he transforms before he gets a chance to pull the trigger.
I miss the tone of the Hulk in the earlier movies. Bruce was going thru dark times while the Hulk was still a beast. Smart Hulk was less cringe in She-Hulk than he was in Endgame, but I still hope World War Hulk becomes a reality & we get a villainous monster movie.
@@SpiritxEnigma I’m still upset that Leader got teased in Hulks movie and then nothing came of it. Hulk has the most under appreciated villains in Marvel. Absorbing Man, Ravage, Madman, Leader, Abomination, Devil Hulk, Red Hulk, the U-Men, Enclave. Give Hulk some respect MCU!
This really encapsulates how individual experiences are completely tossed aside in favor of the collective. Doesn't matter what you, personally, went through or did. All that matters is what group you fit into and what their collective experience is.
It's how victim and cancel culture works. The victim will always bee seen as the victim and when the "aggressor" tries to defend themselves they're seen as a douche and invalid. It's literally why people make fun of "not all men" even though it's LITERALLY like 10% of men who give men a bad name. Plus, not all men includes trans men and homesexual males which women are quick to defend yet fall under the umbrella they hate.
This reminds me of the time I spent a whole month in the hospital, fighting for my dear life, nearly dying twice, experiencing pains I would not wish on my worst enemy, ending up losing my entire colon and having to poop in a bag for the rest of my life, and spends months of physical therapy to regain the ability to walk. Only to wake up in the ICU beside a clown who would no stop complaining that "my bandage is tight!" over a thumb injury...
I hate when people make trauma a competition, yeah bro you went throught a lot of shit, doesn't mean we should be happy because we got fucked half up without lube insted of all the way up without lube, both of us got fucked and have to deal with our shit just stfu about and talk with trusted person our profesional
To be fair it doesnt sound like he was rubbing it in and making it out to be that he was worse off than you, I think dude was just uncomfortable. Without context it just sounds like you're a dick
It’s sad that griffy’s absolutely right. I can’t even make a funny comment, that’s how offensive that show is to marvel fans like myself. Not only do they completely ham fist invalidate hulk, but they spit on she hulk as a character as well. Goddamn. They went from Infinity War and Endgame to this. Wow.
@@Unknown-hb3id agreed, Endgame was where the cracks were beginning to show for characters like Bruce, Thor and maybe others, it was all downhill after that
@@Unknown-hb3id now if u see Thor love and thunder , it's a bloody fcuking joke , the goats and the writing wtf . Now even the weapons have feelings who the fcuk have them a green light.
meanwhile the punisher fought through the trauma of Afghanistan and his family was merked by his own squad mate cap fought in ww2 and tony was kidnapped....
Honestly that line is so stupid. Ellie went through a lot but making it sound like she had it the worst is retarded. Thats like saying "my pain is worse so anything you feel is invalid cuz it will never reach my level."
Hulk: "I want to help you because no one was there to help me." She-Hulk: "Fuck your help. Gross guys call me hot sometimes. Do you have ANY idea how hard it is being told you're hot by people who are NOT? Of course you don't Bruce, because you're part of the gross gender."
Did anyone notice he broke the fourth wall like in the show??? Griffey really the 🐐
The comment I had been searching for, thank you.
Yeaa hahahahaha I was hoping I wasnt the only one who got it
My man moving places
Here before this blows up
@@LongBeachGriffy wonder if Thanos really snapped to try to stop the movie from happening🤔
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Remember guys, getting catcalled is WAY worse than *watching your friends turn to dust in front of you*
Karen logic
No one ever said that dipshit. This dumbass and everyone in this comment section just making up a show in their head to whine about.
@@cm9241 basically implied his struggles aren’t as important as hers cause she gets mansplained and catcalled. Comments may be onto something 🤷♂️
@@IwasabletoDisappearafterlitsen I feel like I'm having a stroke trying to read that
Then she brings up how they came back anyway, but Hulk was the one who did it
"I'm better at controlling my anger than you"
"My brother in christ you almost consciously murdered 3 dudes"
nono she is right after all she is always angry for anything. that's why she doesn't have an uncontrollable monster hiding inside of her SHE IS THAT MONSTER.
@@snintendog
That would be an acceptably reasonable explanation for her being such a shit person in my book.
"I am better at controlling my anger than you!" She says, angrily, while Bruce brushes off the urge to fire back with a rant about his entire life.
Personally, I rarely ever experience anger. I experienced anxiety when I was cat called and honked at when walking to work in the early 2000s...wearing polo shirt and dress pants. It became so routine that I would count the events daily and considered 5 in one day the personal best. One older 60+ guy with a cane even tried kissing me...saved by the city bus stopping and a man yelling at him.
I experience frustration when an unprofessional idiot is hired in after interviewed on sports to get a commercial manager position that I feel I deserve.
I knew I deserved it after 6 years dedicated and already multi tasking into the position to know the regulars and secure new contracts. I of coarse quit that month with a new job. I was promoted in the new job within 9 months.
The idiot left in 3 months. They had to hire 4 new people the week I left to prepare for turn over.
I experience sadness as the ultimate emotion. The event of sadness is the ugly cry. It's unsustainable and there is clarity afterwards to resolve the pain. Thoughts focused to accept the pain or plan within limitations to overcome or sacrifice to another direction. Accepting the pain in sadness if bad enough becomes depression.
Anger though...the last time I was actually angry was 10 years ago screaming at my 8 year husband about bringing over his new girlfriend to stay the night shortly after dumping me.
Anger has the event of a loud argument and maybe violence left with the consequences. If unresolved anger...it becomes hatred. I experience all other cousin emotions to stress and pain.
I know people are complex and there are angry violent women just as some men may be more prone to crying in stress.
Still an emotionally balanced woman probably rarely ever experience anger. That would be good if the writers embraced the difference of women being emotional but not often angry.
That could be a qualified reason to why she has control over the hulk. Her stress reaction is anxiety and frustration...not so much anger.
@@vsmith6109 While you may have a slight point, she's still and will probably always be a trash character. Imagine telling a dude who's almost witness extinction of an entire race by a purple alien. Saw their friends die infront of him multiple times, and got his ass beat by the same purple alien. Not only that crippled his arm to bring back the same almost extinct species only to be near fotter to the same purple alien. + Suicidal thought and intense trauma without being freely able to expression emotion. Yea what she's experienced is little to nothing compared to the Hulk.
Hulk :
-abused by father
-being forced to transform into a monster
-hunted by the military
-created ultron
-trapped in another planet and was forced to fight
-lost to thanos resulting in the hulk not wanting to return
-watch as he failed to save half of the population
-Years of coping with his faliure
She hulk
-mansplaning
-cat called
Forgot to add attempted to off himself but the hulk wouldn’t let him.
Don’t forget his dad murdered his mom in front of him
@benjaminmorris4962who cares its not real anyway
Except she was never cat called throughout the show Jen Walters is basic everybody wants She-Hulk not her
Also don't forget that everyone feared him but didn't hesitate to ask for his help when they needed his power. You especially saw this in Thor Ragnarok when Thor first wanted Hulk's power to escape prison but then later wanted Bruce's intelligence to escape Sakaar. Bruce, rightfully pointed out how Thor didn't care about Bruce and just saw him as utility.
Also, Hulk I think is a great representation of the ways society mistreats men. We condition them to be monsters and capable of extreme violence that we will then point at whoever meeds some violence, but then treat them like ticking time bombs and possible dangers when their isn't fighting going on.
Basically....
Society: conditions to be violence objects
Also society: *surprised pikachu face* when he ends up being violent just like they conditioned him to be
Out of every single character they could have written for the She-Hulk to say she has had it harder in life than they had the pick The Hulk. That character goes beyond basic gender issues. The Hulk literally has it harder than most of the entire Marvel Universe. There are very few characters more tortured than him.
Only Thor has it harder than him.
I’d say him and Thor are tied
@@sosaaacc Agreed. There’s a handful of others, but Thor and Hulk are both absolutely at the top of the local ladder in that regard.
I'd say thor had it the hardest. Lost his mom, dad, brother (twice) best friend heimdall, gf, left eye, planet, people, hammer, and so much more
Then he became alcoholic, stayed away from any kind of human contact, getting a beer belly
@@deathstroke7316 Very good points about Thor. I'd also put Steve and Bucky in the top 5 or 10 most tortured MCU characters, being frozen and taken out of their own time, losing everyone and everything they knew and loved. Black Widow probably has it as one of the worst as well, essentially being a child soldier, and probably had very few genuinely happy moments in her life.
The hulk is a pretty dark character, "I didn't see an end, so I put a bullet in my mouth and the other guy spit it out.". Not sure if everyone remembers this line.
While I agree that hulk was a dark character at one point (originally modelled after Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde), he now mainly serve as a vehicle for jokes.
I do bro... Sick shit
That line was inspired by Edward Norton, no less
@@JB-hf9sd I was just about to say the same thing. Ruffalo didn't do the character justice at all.
@@lennyztrobos8678 Very true. Edward Norton brought the gravitas back to the Hulk that it needed, but then Marvel decided to tone it down and turn him into a literal comedic relief character who was little more than a bumbling fool. Also, Ruffalo in no way came across to me as a brilliant nerd scientist the way Norton did.
Y’all remember when Bruce admitted to the Avengers that he tried to off himself at one point? I do.
When Bruce shot the gun but the hulk spat out the bullet
Yes Sir! Boy was on the edge.
“And the other guy spat out the bullet” yeah I remember that.
but but but bruce is a male and she hulk is a female. didnt college teach u male patriarchy means everything is worse for women?
@@m1a1abrams3 truee
For real lol
Hulk literally fights for his life while she’s fussing about fighting court cases
Is she like that in the show
loool
If I'm paying a shit ton on student loans, I'm using that shit.
@@huntersw2 no not fr she was just saying she wanted to get back to her life
@YeaMan bot
Hulk: “I watched half of everyone on Earth turn to dust”
She-Hulk: “Everybody came back!”
Hulk: “Because I almost killed myself _bringing_ everybody back!”
female incel
That's what I was saying!!!
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@@Marvelfanatic3658not ok
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Funny how in the first episode she complains about "incompetent men telling her about her field of expertise" while shitting on bruce about being a hulk which hes been for 15 years, yet shes only been a hulk for a few days. The writers have no self awareness of their own irony
did this well not exactly but basically happened in the show
You know the writers can intentionally script a character that has flaws, like hypocrisy, right? Trust me, they knew. lol
And then world war hulk happens and he owns her in seconds. And he wasnt even at full anger power in worldbreaker form.
Exactly
have you seen the writing team?
I loved the part where she chastises Bruce for "not dealing with his trauma" when he literally spent the last 5 years in therapy.
damn who would of thought
@Kurtis sus link
Been through more than any regular person has gone through. He is lucky he has it together to that degree.
Lol.
@@danny87573 yeah I mean this is a different universe but 2003 hulk had an abusive father and a horrible life
If Marvel’s plan was to make she-hulk an unlikeable character then they have done a great job of it
That seems to be their plan for them all…
@@Daomus Nah, seems to only be their plan for Female Characters for some reason.
At this point, it wouldn’t surprise me if Disney were filled with black propagandists out to destroy the reputation of women lol.
Disney is on Twitter too much.
Not Marvel's plan, but Disney's plan. I read the Avengers 2018 comic, She-Hulk is not a bad character in that run.
Tony - Captured by terrorist , went through years of losing his team & a boy who’s like a son to him. Almost lost the love of his life. Sacrifice himself for the good of the world
Steve - Looked down for being small but never bothered about it, fight for the country, jump on a grenade, got brought into years later and never be able to see the love of his life
Bruce - went through failed experimentation to the point he got into depression and can’t even kill himself. Had to deal with Another angry person inside of him for years. Lost the person he loves (Romanov)
Romanov - became a tool for combat. Basically lost her family and sacrificed herself for the good of the world.
Hawkeye - went through years of his family missing, had a dark phase where he had to kill for a living. Lost a best friend (Romanov),
Thor - siblings are all evil. Lost his brother when they were about to be in good terms. Lost his entire nation. Lost the love of his life
Peter - lost his father figure, lost his uncle, lost his aunt. Everyone who loves him who’s live don’t recognize him anymore
Dr Strange - got into life threatening accident and almost lost his ability to even move. Can never be in contact with the one who he thought would be the love of his life.
Wanda - lost the man she loved. Lost her brother. Wanted a family but got taken away to the extend she had to go into a dark side to regain it.
And here we have She-hulk
Jenn - can’t find the perfect guy. Got into an accident without any life threatening injury. Even though lost her job , instantly got one specially for her. Can’t find wifi connection. The boy she likes not texting back
Star Lord- his mother was killed by his father when he was a child and he was abducted by aliens and raised as a space pirate
Shang-Chi-His mother was murdered and his father put him through an abusive training corps for the next seven years of his life to harden him into becoming a merciless assassin
The Eternals-discover that they’re the puppets of an uncaring god and a force of creative destruction instead of creation
Daredevil-His mentally ill mother nearly accidentally got him killed after he was born, he got toxic waste in his eyes as a child which permanently blinded him, his father was murdered, his father figure Stick abandoned him, his love interest Electra turned out to be a spy and assassin who was manipulating him and he was framed for mass terrorism twice
Jessica Jones-Mind controlled and raped
Luke Cage, framed for a crime, imprisoned, nearly killed, subjected to an unethical experiment and repeatedly targeted by snake-themed gangs
Danny Rand, his parents were murdered, he was crashed into the Himalayas and trained by warrior monks who punished him for failure with a beating and rewarded him for success with new training and after he went back to New York his own kith and kin turned against him and put him in a lunatic asylum
Punisher-his entire family was murdered in an unsuccessful attempt to shut him up
Marc Spector-so thoroughly abused by his mother when he was a child that he developed a split personality
@@matityaloran9157 exactly.. so many more in the list which have struggled even worst. and now we have someone who just feels sad and pain cause she just can't find the right man to be with.. wtf
@@agliodario8748 It’s not that there’s anything wrong with having that be the protagonist’s struggle, it’s that having her belittle the struggles of other characters to describe her own problems, without acknowledging that she’s wrong, just makes the character obnoxious and unlikeable, which could work if it were treated like a character flaw but it’s not. The way she behaves it would make perfect sense to tell her “you know there are starving children in Wakanda, who would love to have your problems”. (Speaking of which, did we mention Black Panther in our lists, his father was murdered by terrorists, his country was invaded by his cousin and put through a civil war and then invaded a second time by aliens and he was put through five years of non-existence).
@@matityaloran9157 hhmm yeah you're right... plus the she-hulk we know in the comic have alot of respect towards bruce.. people are dissapointed too because she-hulk in the comic was so loved but they completely ruined that in the live action
@@agliodario8748 See, I didn’t read the comics but I liked She-Hulk in the cartoon from 1996 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Hulk_(1996_TV_series) and that does include things like Jen meeting the people who thought she was a loser in high school and showing them up now that she’s She-Hulk but in that cartoon she never says or implies that she has it worse than Bruce does but is actually quite compassionate towards him. And even in the episode that I’m referencing She-Hulk ends up saving the people she’s showing up from the Monster of the Week in response to the attack because that’s what she does. And the live-action show could have managed something like that if the online trolls who gave her hell ended up being the would-be victims of the climactic villain and She-Hulk ended up having to save the people she most hated. There would be some problems with execution but (if Titania were smarter) they could easily have had it revealed that Titania had experienced a similar misogynistic backlash as She-Hulk did and therefore wanted to target and kill those men for it with it being revealed that the Toxic Men aren’t the villain but the people She-Hulk has to save much to her chagrin. I know that Thor basically did the same thing when Thor discovers that Loki’s actually planning to murder the Frost Giants, ancestral enemies of Asgard, rather than being in league with them and as such Thor has to save his most hated adversaries so it’s something the MCU already did once but it worked when they did it. In a series of fantasy novels I’m reading called The Stormlight Archive by Brandon Sanderson, the Hero has to swear an Oath that “I will protect those who cannot protect themselves and I will protect even those I hate so long as it is right” and he struggles with the latter part of it and that’s a part of why he works as a character. (I know I got a bit off topic with that one.)
Here's another irony: Let's not forget that she talks about Steve Rogers like he's a piece of meat every time she brings him up in conversation.
She has a picture of his ass as her wallpaper,imagine if the genders were switched
Her phone's background is a pic of Steve Roger's ass in his Cpt America uniform.
The writers are either masterminds at playing both sides or they really believe "it's not the same when a woman does it"
Its (D)ifferent
The hypocrisy is astounding.
@@clonecoric4140 it's intentional lol
She is literally saying being catcalled is worse than saving the entire world and losing your whole life
Yea that was never said lmao, still a funny video though.
she literally did not say that
She never said that 🤦♀️
Lmao a lot of denial
@@jupitwr6456 by her invalidating the trauma that Bruce went through yes she is.
Bruce: *Was beaten and possibly sexually abused by his father most of his childhood, had to watch his mother get murdered in front of his eyes by said father, turned into a radioactive monster against his will trying to protect another person from harm, has such deeply repressed traumatic memories that they literally manifest as an alternative personality when he gets too angry, so depressed that he has attempted suicide at least once, probably more, yet in spite of that he's still pretty chill and willing to help others.*
Jen: "A man I wasn't into looked at me earlier, I ALMOST FUCKING DIED BRUCE"
BRUH💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
@@iltuilpe2432 he ain't wrong
This made me laugh a little too hard than anticipated
to add onto it, he has attempted suicide multiple times. if he was normal (not hulk) they would have been successful. the hulk side manages to turn every situation into a failure.
You aren''t wrong
Marvel did a really good job at making a realistic lawyer character. Everyone depises lawyers and everyone despises She-Hulk. They're truly talented over there at Marvel.
Lol
Well everyone only despises She-Hulk in her show. In the old show and comics, she's awesome.
I've never heard everyone despises lawyers. But yes she hulk is a SHIT human being, a SHIT lawyer, a SHIT cousin. Yet she got FEMALE Lawyer of the year. Which turns out they all got it. Fuck that show. I will Never... EVER watch that shit again. I can still appreciate something from loki, fatws, w.i., and wandavision but she hulk is just the worst.
@captainamerica7800 Damn man, relax lol it does suck though because, in the comics and old TV show, she's a lady boss at all 3 of those things, but in the show she's a bitch.
@@reversenoobz1 mhm
There’s also the fact that Bruce is the only character with a canonical suicide attempt. Marvel has done work to stay real far away from mentions of suicide, but not him.
Good, you watch moist
@@Senneih_cram Good man.
There's also Marc
Loki letting go of the scepter was a canonical suicide attempt. Unfortunately he got snatched by thanos.
@@ConstellationEternalLucidDream I'm not sure that's ever confirmed as a suicide attempt.
I'd wager it's probably true, yeah, but Loki being Loki I can see it being some other shenanigans.
Good spot though, I completely forgot about that.
“And everybody came back”
Welp if it wasn’t for Hulk temporarily crippling his right arm to the Infinity Gauntlet, they wouldn’t have.
Do you ever reply to your replies?
Sup dude!
@Butter Crab Yeah.
@Butter Crab he is everywhere
@Butter Crab well you don’t need to point out anything. but they can choose to don’t make them idiots
Bruce can't die. As in he physically can't die. the hulk won't let him die. He's tried to kill himself an innumerable number of times, even got erased by a nuke and still came back. This man's suffering is beyond reach for pity. This man even spit out bullets when he tried to kill himself out of misery.
Ah, one of my favourite quotes in the MCU
"I didn't see an end, so I put a bullet in my mouth, and the other guy spit it out"
Someone could fling him out into space. Easy peasy. Problem solved. Don't matter how mad he get, his mad ass can keep floating on forever.
It’s happened several times in the comics. He was killed by the Sentinels in the Days of Future Past timeline (probably by Nimrod but it was never 100% confirmed how they did it). Hulk is immeasurably strong but he’s not immortal. And I think Dr. Strange defeated him a couple times by channeling a fraction of Zom’s power, a mystical entity that can obliterate 95% of the Marvel Universe. Lastly, Wolverine literally tore through Hulk’s bowels & intestines after he devoured him in the Old Man Logan storyline. So killing/defeating Hulk is incredibly difficult, but not impossible.
@@Bingo_the_Pug Incredible Hulk: The End is pretty sad too.
@@Bingo_the_Pug Hulk is actually Immortal now...there was an ENTIRE storyline based on it😭
Hulk:
- Exposed to extreme gamma radiation
- Extreme and uncontrollable most of his life
- Stranded on a planet for 2 years with nothing but his insane mind
- Only Marvel character to have canonically tried to commit suicide
- An outcast and a documented criminal
- Has to face the consequences of his uncontrollable destruction
- Watched his friends die after getting whooped by Thanos
She-Hulk
- “Sometimes men look at me funny”
Let's not also forget he had a horribly abusive father who killed his mother. And his wife was murdered by his father in law who was illegally chasing the hulk down for absolutely no God damned reason
Also he was always on the run with no one to turn to for so long
just to be technical, Hawkeye also tried to commit suicide. And Black widow succeeded
@@OfMyMemories yes but they're in different contexts. Hawkeye and Black Widow were trying to commit suicide to save the world. Hulk was trying to commit suicide for the sole purpose of ending his life.
@@OreoSmithOfficial Couldn't agree more; if anything, they suicided so the other could live. that is why is said "just to be technical"
Bruce: "one day i put a bullet in my mouth just for the other guy to spit it out..."
She-Hulk: "yeah but, some men make me feel uncomfortable, so i obviously have it worst than you."
Fans: ...you making a villain here, right?
I wish the final episode of this would be just the two of them fighting
And of course
Hulk/banner wins
@@JAndre-gb3dm sadly i feel like if they made she-hulk fight hulk, they’d make she-hulk win cuz girl power or smthn idk
@@Orio435 in that universe
she merely had a fraction of what banner has
she hulk is obviously going to be the villain in the next marvel phase🤣 she will drive the male population insane😂 which gives us the perfect excuse to bring back Capt America the most masculine avenger to defeat this crazy villain🤣
oh gosh...
@@JAndre-gb3dm ya Hollywood isn't allowed to show a woman lose, so that'd never happen. It should. But it won't
After she was like, "They all came back, so what?"
I was expecting him to be like, "BECAUSE I SNAPPED THEM BACK IN YOU UNGRATEFUL SWINE!"
Same bro
Bruce wouldn't get so angry over such a pointless discussion 😎
"My arm nearly turned to Ash to bring them back woman"
True
Furry
“I’m better at controlling my anger” dumbledoor said calmly
She-Hulk: "My life is hard."
Hulk, who got 4th degree burns on his entire arm trying to bring back half the universe: "That's rough buddy."
im still mad about the fact hulk ain't heal his arm instantly I'm the comics his healing factor is amazing plus the snap was like all gamma so it shouldn't have burned his arm in the first place
@@HKNuke his arm was supposed to heal he took worse but i guess since theyre infinity stones it dont heal🤦🏾♂️
@@savon223s HE STATED THE ENERGY WAS GAMMA HE SHOULD HAVE ATE THAT WEAK ASS SHIT
@@HKNuke I don't think you understand what the stones are. They were made at the same time as the universe came into being meaning they hold enough power to create a universe. Hulk got away with a burnt arm because he absorbed most of the gamma rays, there are other cosmic rays that exist in the universe. Anti-matter and dark matter for example. We don't have many ways to interact with them but we know they exist infinitely in space cause if not, Coulomb's force, that keeps charges away from each other would have nothing to oppose it so atoms will repel from one another and dark-matter is basically the gravity that negates that repulsion. Anti-matter is even worse, matter + anti-matter = 0, they violently combine to form nothing so Hulk should have lost his whole arm but because his healing is insanely fast, it was only burnt by the energy of a universe.
@@tjossai9302 i dont think they ever confirmed that he has a healing factor in the MCU
She's the type to say "Everyone's experience matters!", then five second disregard it to say "I've had it harder!"
As much as they butchered Hulk's character in the MCU, I'd still find it laughably that she thinks her life is harder than Bruce's
He ends up suicidal in damn near every iteration 💀
I think they are long term planning. Hopefully
Didn’t his Dad kill his mother…. And he WATCHED IT HAPPEN - then tried to commit suicide and failed?
They didn't butcher his character...? Y'all just want him to stay uncontrollable and just a straight hothead. His life has changed and he has hulk fully under control now so of course he's gonna be different
@@Shon51 we all watched it, she literally belittles his entire planning for controlling her anger
I lost it on the "Infinitely more than you" line, too.
The story of the Hulk, of Bruce Banner, or David... whichever variant of cannon you're looking at...
Is a story of pain, of every sort, in endless measure.
He was abused as a child, experimented on, watched his mother be murdered, watched his wife die because he wa physically weaker than the average guy (not MCU), finds love again only to be dosed with gamma and killing dozens of people the first time he hulks out...
Eventually leaves her to prevent her being used by her own father to get at him...
And while searching for a cure, his blood is used to create the abominatino, killing hundreds..
Guilt dragged him out of hiding to deal with that, then he goes back only to be dragged back against his will and magic used on him to make him repeat the abomination scenario ... himself.
The line about eating a bullet was misplaced, because ANGER has never been the problem for Bruce Banner.
Survival has.
He is constantly undergoing pain of the sort that would destroy any other living thing outright, or at the least, shatter the mind of any other person...
But he's trapped forever in the health of the Hulk, unable to even lose his mind in a meaningful way because even his brain is constantly being healed.
He's trapped in what could very well be an immortal body that prevents him ever having any kind of life, and makes him a constant target for all manner of creature.
But yeah, she gets catcalled, so he should just shut it and let her tell Him how to be a Hulk.
Yeah, i havent been over this either
I would have absolutely loved it if Bruce would have simply responded to her in a sarcastic tone something like:
"Yeah, of course, sorry, what do I know, I mean, I was only just abused and experimented on by my dad who also killed my mom, then I worked my ass off by myself and studied hard to get 7 PhDs only to get caught up in radioactive lab accident which I only survived because my abusive father's experiments made my split personality disorder, which he also caused, absorb the blast only to transform me in a huge green monster on a whim. I also definitely loved the fact that I was then hunted for years by the government in an operation to catch, experiment on and then kill me, lead by my girlfriend's father, which lead me to try to kill myself and when I couldn't even manage that, had to finally run to another continent, where I was still not left alone. Joining the Avengers was especially easy, loved having to ward off an alien invasion, hurting people I care about against my will, getting mind controlled to hurt even more people, getting trapped for two years in my own body on an alien planet, and having to fight in a war against gods right after I wake up just so that I can return to Earth. I also didn't care that all those nice people I met on the ship were immediately murdered in front of me while I could only helplessly watch, and continue to doubt myself after being unable to stop the genocide of half the universe, which I only was able to fix after 5 years of trying to fix myself and after many deaths of people close to me and having to resist the pain of the very fabric of the universe in gem form trying to tear my arm apart.
But yeah, what do I know about your pain, silly me.
I am surprised he didn't rage out.
Nah man you don’t get it, she gets CAT CALLED
Jesus christ. You write a short novel. You know most people won't even bother reading the first sentence, right?
@@kitten-whisperer Short novels can be good, and he wrote his novel well.
@@kitten-whisperer we read it. Those likes are not for nothing.
"Let's show how strong women are by making a woman with first world problems convince herself she's a bigger victim than the guy who got shafted by the ENTIRE MCU because she's a woman"
Ruffalo is a woman.
Supposedly the character whose whole struggle and focus theme is anger management is less good at it than a random woman because wOmEn gO tHrOuGh sO mUcH. Also she says she had to learn to control her anger otherwise she would have been stigmatized as the stereotypical "emotional woman", as if emotional or irritable men were praised in society or something. As always they confuse being strong and assertive with being an overly emotional and angry crybaby.
She never says she’s more of a victim. She says she doesn’t need the same anger management training that Bruce did because she’s better at controlling her anger than Bruce was when he first became the Hulk, which is obviously true …
Gotta tend to the fragile ego of insecure women.
The irony of your comment is astounding, especially when compounded with each similar take @@pandaman1331
Bruce: “I saw half the population of earth turn to dust”
Jen: “so what?! They came back”
Bruce: “yeah I did that & it almost killed me”
Jen: “so?!”
This should’ve been Ed Norton’s Hulk. Not Ruffles.
Yeah, I was bout to say. He should’ve mentioned that HE was the one that snapped them back. 😂
@@christianbolisca1493 I tried watching 2008 hulk, F tier movie
All the Asgardians Thanos killed didn’t come back either.
@@Conorator S tier movie imo
She-hulk: I got cat called my life is horrible
Hulk: that's cute.
Bruce's struggles:
- My boy Bruce was a human experiment since birth all the way to his childhood
- His dad killed his mom.
- The father of his first love hunted him down through all of the American continent back and forth. Not to mention the fact he couldn't get stressed in any way (incapable of getting angry or even getting laid).
- He started to have a "normal life" in Calcuta, far away from any conflict, to get dragged once again for the greater good and suffer once again.
- The second love of his life, dead.
- One of his closest friends, dead.
- Being forced by Wanda to destroy an entire city and a gigantic feeling of remorse after that.
- Trapped in the body of his co-host in another planet for 2 years.
- After being stuck in Hulk's body for that longo, didn't even get a second of peace, until Thanos beat his ass.
- Watch himself how half the f*cking universe banished from existence.
- Lose an arm in order to get half of the universe back.
- Still being afraid of losing control, and the feeling of guilt of all Hulk's past damage to the human race.
- Fear that his beloved cousin has to go through the same ton of crap he went through.
She-Hulk's struggles:
- Being cat-called in the streets.
- Get mansplained in her job.
Seriously???
Second one shouldn't even be in there because mansplaining isn't real lmao
Careful, they might think you're getting "too emotional" about this. Fucking ridiculous. Jen seems like she can be an AMAZING character, but they bring us in like this? What the fuck?
@@effzero7211 do your research
@@blueblade6174 i looked it up. Google said there were no results for my search. 🤷🏽♂️
Don't forget the multiple attempted suicide attempts and years worth of therapy/ work to handle the balance of not hating himself due to deep depression.
Screw Jen
Bruce: "I don't want to invalidate you"
She Hulk: *Proceed proudly invalidate Bruce*
☕
So in character, I love Bruce.
"And everybody came back"
Yes, he was literally the guy that brought them back at the cost of scorching half of his body, an injury he then immediately fought Thanos' Army with
But somehow she's better because he used her blood to heal himself. The self-worthy entitlement is criminal. Like she's a scientist that did the research and figured out a way to fix his arm.
That doesn't compare to getting catcalled though, "don't act like you know!"
Who are they trying to relate to anyways?
Just about every female I know says that type of activity makes them feel more confident. To get randomly complimented or hit on by a working class stranger, would make another human feel better if they aren't so ready to be offended by everything, and just accept the damn complement.
This is the explanation as to why the characters that died, died.
ruclips.net/video/mCfYi7634rU/видео.html
There was no cost, he tried to do the Impossible (bring Black widow back) and was punished for it, otherwise he would feel only an itch
@@MegaRyuki 🧢
Hulk was really wanting to take control at this moment
"I get cat called"
You are an upper class attorney who was just given a massive career opportunity purely because of your superpowers. How about you deal with a little bit of imposter syndrome instead of shitting on the man who saved your life? The dude used to destroy cities because he stubbed his toe and you're like "woah you are being way too overbearing here."
People hated captain marvel because she mastered her own powers INSTANTLY, had no real life problems to overcome and was gifted everything. Looks like it's happening again. Seriously, look at the shit spiderman has to endure to continue his double life as Peter Parker and spiderman, then compare that to she-hulk or captain marvel. They have so much more power just given to them, which they master instantly. Then they don't even need to lead a double life. Their only obstacle to overcome is a handful of evil men holding them back.
I remember in an interview, Stan Lee said that he always made his characters these larger than life heroes, but gave them real world problems. And let's be honest, that's why they did so well. Because they were these gods and heroes, but despite that they were relatable in a sense. They had real problems. Now, with She Hulk, Disney is essentially undoing all of that. Not saying that catcalling and stuff like that is ok, but just the fact that your having a character who's one of the last original Avengers, who's gone through a massive amount of pain and trauma, suddenly become the exact opposite of what he was meant to be, and be overshadowed by a character who is similar to him, but not as dark, is disappointing and in all honesty, in my opinion, it feels like they are spitting on Stan's grave and destroying what he and many others worked so hard to build.
But this is all just my opinion and how I see this
@@Myst_01966 No. Don't mince words. Disney really is spitting on Stan's grave.
@@Myst_01966 yeah it's a real world problem but really? Cat calling is the best "real world problem"....
Captain marvel bothered me cause in the old comics she had a lot of issues like did you know that at one point she was a major a alcoholic it was so bad that Tony Stark even called her out for it. For those of you that didn't know in the comics Tony was a major alcoholic to the point it was rare to see him without a bottle in his hand.
@@ToxicVex267 I remember reading a Deadpool issue which took place during Tony's sober phase. The man was suffering hard from withdrawal and Deadpool tries to help him deal with it. Albeit the end goal was save Tony's soul from a demon but the action was there.
I love the irony that her entire life is a "struggle," but she is not presented with a single thing she doesn't instantly master (vocation, housing, not forced to overcome another personality, mastering hulk powers, fighting skills, ect..). How does someone grow if there is no challenge? Worst character yet.
Worst show yet the quality just keeps dropping lower and lower
Unless the challenge is her egotism, sexism, passive aggressiveness, perfectionism
@@kamikeserpentail3778 those are some tough opponents she gonna fight
@@redmist4963 She'll never fight them because those opponents are "sympathetic" and who she is. You can't tell her to change who she is. That's cruel. Let people be mean and self destructive! XD
@@destinyhntr kind of what Bruce Banner had to do with the Hulk though.
His alter ego is what he considers to be his worse half, and he has to learn how to live with it.
Hers is what she considers to be her better half, and she would have to learn how to live with her non-Hulk side.
Of course they might not go that route.
They might just be flat and have her just succeed at everything.
Banner has attempted suicide canonically in the MCU multiple times how’s does she think she got it harder than him 🤦🏽♂️
@Jack Wrath wtf
She doesn't think that. This is just a skit, not what actually happened on the show.
She said her life taught her to control anger, so she is doing fine with this she-hulk stuff and doesn't need an extensive anger management.
It's a subtle destruction of the character the comic book She-Hulk would never say that s*** as a child Bruce would go over her house to hide from his dad when he abused him
@@Mikanoshi
No, she said that ALL women control their anger better than him cause that's what they deal with all their life.
Just realized he pulled a She-Hulk and broke the 4th wall lol
we must protect this man at all costs
frrrr
Ong
Protect him from what? Twitter?
Man doesn’t need protection at this point
He is uncancellable at this point.
The USA president, regardless of his party, is in more danger than him.
I’ve had so much hate come at me for criticizing this scene. People have actually called me “gross and embarrassing” for suggesting better ways to do scenes like this. Thank you for making this.
Please tell me you don't know those people in real life and that there only internet "friends"
@@chrishoppner7875 the “gross and embarrassing” line came from a friends fiancé. Never talked to the woman. This was her first convo with me. Then he got mad when I called her a Dick for saying that to me
@@bobtower66 depends on your definition of friend. I’m closer with some people I’ve never met irl than some of my friends who live within a half hour drive from me. With the internet, friendship has a looser definition
I just dont care about others opinion, im based i speak my mind out, i dont care they can judge me , but they can't convince me
@@Dearevanhansen223 sorry to hear that their people you know irl, that's the worst. But it makes a bit more sense now knowing it came from someone you previously hadn't really got to know. She sounds kinda rude tbh. Was mostly saying that you expect people you interact with in person to be a bit more polite.
"ever been trapped by the patriarchy your entire life?"
Longbeach the GOAT
@Cannabis Dreams we dont even live in a patriarchy. We live in a matriarchy, a women can easily say u r worded her and everyone will believe her, a women has a better chance of getting hired then a man, a women, especially a white women has the best life out of any other race on this planet until they hit 30 lmaooo
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hahah lol
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Woman: "You'll never understand the pain of birthing children."
Injured Veteran: "Well I've been shot and stabbed and had my legs blown off but sure."
"I get angry when I get mansplained in my area of expertise"
She explains to the man who's alter ego is a living embodiment of rage.
It's accurate to the comics though. That's the point, Bruce is mentally damaged, he had another personality in there because he didn't deal with his traumatising past (which isn't portrayed in the movies). He is obviously doing better now as shown by him being in the hulk state and still not flipping into the hulk persona. She-Hulk doesn't have multiple personality disorder from the get-go, so her anger is not as big an issue. Bruce's mistake is assuming other people would have the same mental disorder he has.
That still doesn't mean what Bruce did is wrong, but he's obviously not great at understanding this from her perspective.
@@Grintock dude, her second transformation almost ended in her killing three dumb drunk dudes for hitting on her outside a bar...
@@GuestDude_HandlesAreDumb I'm not saying she's dealing with it well, I'm saying she's dealing with it better than a person with a debilitating mental illness.
@@GuestDude_HandlesAreDumb And to be clear, I totally believe the healthy thing for her to do would be to appreciate his advice, but then she's a little stuck in her own issues.
@@Grintock she clearly has mental illness... probably a variant of personality disorder or narcissism. Arguably anyone making the arguments she made in this scene is mentally ill.
Disney’s been doing this plot point of “you wouldn’t understand, im just so troubled” a lot nowadays and they always convey it in the worst way against the worst characters. If they actually showed how these characters struggled with their problems in ACTUAL meaningful ways (like physically being unable to go through with their daily lives and ACTUALLY showing that they’ve lost everything) instead of just occasional minor inconveniences and then complaining that the established hero’s they are taking too who’ve gone through multiple movies and arks don’t have it as rough as them who have had like MAYBE 1 hour of screen time total is just so dumb.
They did good with Moon Knights character
Like the intention was there but the demonstration wasn’t
@@mr.abbott212 They kinda did that with Hawkeye.
That's why I just stick with like the old spider man's and the spectacular Spider-Man the cartoon is amazing I can't believe how much better it is in the stories then what I hear from she hulk
'i deserve only good things to happen to me because i had some bad stuff happen to me in the past...'this is called being an adult and its shocking that almost always women are using this line in order to try and cover their asses for doing something horrible.
She is "INFINITELY BETTER" as she said. The show is EXACTLY what we expected.
Also Hulk was the one that brought half of the ducking universe back.
I don't think you're necessarily right. Episode 1 was a little boring, and a little divisive, but I think that's part of the character of she-hulk. At least, I certainly hope it is; I think that through these nine episodes of she-hulk, Jen will learn that she really doesn't have it worse than Bruce, and she'll have to learn that she's not as good at doing what she does is she thinks she is.
@@Iliadic That's possible, but I don't really have faith in the feminazi writers at Disney.
@@Iliadic i totally disagree but let's find out
Yeah if Hulk didn’t put on the gauntlet and snap his fingers 50% of everything would still be gone 💀💀💀
At the cost of his arm too, but it got better because heaven forbid there be any consequences in modern Marvel.
Bruce: I witnessed my father murder my mother
She Hulk: that’s nothing, have you ever been cat called before?
Whether she’s human or hulked out, she’s lucid from the get go. When Bruce came out of it his question was, “How many people did I kill?” He literally sacrificed his human self so he could keep the beast under control and prevent innocents from dying.
That is the point.
Hulk has infinite, untapped potential, at the cost of a nigh-complete instability.
She is stable, but will never amount for anything greater than she already has.
Kinda like Abomination, she is failed experiment - there is no exponential power growth in either of them… Only Hulk is truly unique and interesting, comparatively speaking.
So, Hulk acting grown up with a smile compared to an inferior version of himself who is delusional and made herself to believe that “she has it harder”…. Pinnacle or comedy and irony.
Hulk is akin to a long-fuse nuclear bomb. She Hulk is a short-fuse fire cracker… And it SHOWS in how they behave and approach these things.
@@kingol4801But the problem is that isn’t what she’s supposed to be. She got turned into a Hulk by getting exposed to his blood, so why in the world would she turn out so different for absolutely no reason?
@Croach193 Because of lower dosage and lack of neurodivergence.
Banner had Hulk alter-ego even before he became Hulk. Banner suffered from dissociative personality disorder due to his (in some versions, parental) trauma. All radiation did was let the Hulk out, but radiation did not give birth to that identity - Banner did many years ago.
So, Hulk was neurodivergent. His brain chemistry was abnormal.
Therefore, She-Hulk got a lower dose of Hulk’s radiation, as well as did not possess any unique or exceptional brain chemistry to make it work.
So, She Hulk got very very generic Hulk powers.
In comics (old man Logan) Hulk grapes She-Hulk and produces incest kids. All Hulk offsprings gain typical Hulk abilities, but in a manner how she-hulk does - very limited extent of them, with no room for massive growth.
Hulk (superhero name) is different because he is Hulk (“evil” second identity of Bruce Banner).
Hulk is unique and an outlier compared to every other Hulk-powered hero or villain, because of his mental disorder.
@@xinf3ctdxthe original is better than the cheap knockoff thats all there is to it
And then She-Hulk almost kills someone for daring to look in her direction, but yeah she can totally control her anger
The fact that some people still tried defending it is just mind boggling. The script is just straight up horrendous.
It’s a Disney show, what would you expect?
If you dont understand just say that.
I mean there’s small details of the scene that could lead to her getting a large dose of reality straight to the side of the head later, but as the scene stands now it’s just awful.
@@BlackGirlMarvel maybe try a counter argument?
@@irradiatedice98 Why? According to the initial comment people tried to defend it, he/she/they, still feels its horrendous. What bothered you about my response?
My mans will forever be a legend saying the things we all are thinking most of the time✊🏾😂😂😂😂
He will never get cancelled, keep going Griffy!
Damn right 👍
Hulk is R. Kelly?
I make make skits that I'm sure will entertaining you
Yeah that's the true value of a comedian. Only the court jesters could ridicule the king and the taboo and fanatical parts of the kingdom without getting his head chopped off.
Nowadays we need that more than ever, since cancel culture is basically a way of stopping people with views that the woke kiddies don't agree with from making money to feed themselves. Its an attempted execution without calling it an execution.
I haven't seen this she-hulk stuff, but "ever been trapped in the patriarchy"-line was just perfection.
I like how it just ends with him staring at the camera, no rebuttal, no clap back.
"Look at the bullshit I have to deal with"
None of that funny R&B music either. Who sings it?
@@KishorTwist if you're gonna disrespect Lori, you just gotta go bruh.
Calls Bruce smug for “Smart Hulk” even though he didn’t name himself that. Then proceeds to say that she’s superior at everything from day one. HMMM.
Where did she say she was superior? oh that's right, you people love to create fake scenarios.
She's a female lol
@@39mack23 modern female*
@@39mack23 That doesn't really apply. Any gender could say that.
@@effzero7211 Yep but mostly today's female are cr4p like that
My favorite interpretation of this scene is that Bruce's hulk is much more difficult to control due to MUCH more trauma and baggage, and Jens is much more easy because she never had it like Bruce did
That exactly how it is in canon. Bruce has intense psychological issues beyond just anger, and has who knows how many personalities inside his head. Jen is a functional human being which is why she can control herself so easily.
That's the same in the comics. They even did the same thing where Bruce tries to help train Jennifer. Major difference being Jennifer is sympathetic to Bruce's dilemma, and she comforts him in knowing that she'll be fine and that she loves it. She was very understanding and friendly to Bruce in the comics, since they grew up together after Bruce's dad was taken to prison. It's hard to see the same Jennifer from the comics in the show, since in the comics she used to be an average everywoman before becoming the She-Hulk and being confident and happy in her new form.
I thought it was mentioned at some point in the comics that bruce “hulked out” before actually becoming the hulk. His alternate personality and rage issues arent actually because of the gamma accident they were just given form by it. He would already go into blackout rages
Also she has way less of the stuff that made Bruce become hulk, so logically speaking she should be able to control it better since it should be weaker than Bruce’s
No bc one had to deal with an angry traumatized alter that has powers and the other doesn't. Comparing the two is ridiculous
The worst part of that scene was Hulk sitting there nodding his head like he agreed with her
Nah, it's like when Mom is lecturing you and you're just tuned tf out
I mean, he learned to control his anger after years of trauma, I think he can listen to a woman yell without losing it
I think the scene is parallel to society. As a woman, it pisses me off that women really do believe they have it worse than everybody else. Life shits on all of us. Yes in different ways, and yes in some worst ways than others but pain is pain.
Trauma is trauma.
Society stays sweeping men’s trauma under the rug. It’s rude and disgusting.
This constant contest of who has it worse is so annoying. The need to compare hardships is so weird to me.
Should be a top comment
Did she even say she had it harder than Bruce? She just said that she is better at controlling her anger due to the social stigma of being an angry woman. Bruce's alter ego and difficulty managing his anger makes sense due to his childhood trauma. It's amazing that so many people misconstrued something that is pretty simple. A lot of fragile dudes out here.
@@Jedimack7 How so?
@@lurkingposter saying she’s better at controlling her anger. When he’s controlled his anger under much more extreme circumstances. She’s lost her temper to getting cat called.
You're only a victim if you allow yourself to be. Some enjoy living it because it excuses them from taking personal responsibility for their lives. Imagine how pathetic you have to be to always desire people's validation and pity.
On some real shit tho, the amount of shit that Bruce banner went through in the MCU lore after getting blasted with megatons of gamma rays was a lot worse than what she-hulk has to deal with. When she got her powers, her life was pretty much better
Bots are getting worse.
@@lucifermorningstar8562 i have never seen an video with so much bot in the comments lol
Woman b pathetic asf some of em at least
Like she IS her Hulk. Bruce had to fight for control for 15 years
@@lucifermorningstar8562 bruh these bots are out of pocket 😂
I'm glad to see people calling this nonsense out, props.
Remember folks: Trivial everyday issues that both men and women deal with aren't okay for women to put up with, and it makes them stronger than men for enduring it. Even though men endure the same thing and get invalidated for it. Is She Hulk going to take on a legal case where a man was constantly being sexually harassed by female employees on a near daily basis? Doubtful.
This reminds me of the alopecia thing a few months back, where women were literally saying men going bald isn't an issue, but it is one for women. Y'know, the same kind of women who mock and ridicule bald men and say they're flat out unattractive for being bald. That's okay for men to go through, but it's *infinitely worse* for women to be bald. Especially when that whole discussion was the result of a woman who voluntarily shaved her head and more than likely lied about having alopecia. Whose daughter also shaved her head.
Welcome to 2022. It's only getting dumber here on in.
Glad im not the only one seeing how ridiculous society is
Big brain. Glad to see others who are on the same wave length 👍🏻
ok, stop the planet, imma get off here. It's fine, i'd rather walk
Have you ever heard of the movie Idiocracy? It's a stupid funny type of movie and isn't for everyone, but when you said "It's only getting dumber here on in" reminded me of the movie. Yeah you might be right Society might just be getting dumber and 500 years from now we might live in the same society as was in the movie.
Incase you don't know what the movie is about; 500 years into the future everybody is stupid. That's the TL;DR. The actual summary is that this Perfectly average in every which was guy in the year 2005 goes into cryostasis. Supposed to be in there for a year, but the military's cryostasis' funds are lost in the middle of the project. So fast forward 500 years the idiots of society have a bunch of offspring and the smart people don't have any or very little offspring. Each passing generation the idiots keep out numbering the smart people to the point where everyone on the planet is a moron. Then the main character gets out of cryostasis and after sometime people find out that this Average intellegent guy from the year 2005 is the smartest man on the planet and then he solves the crop famine problem by using water for crops instead of Gatorade. Who knew gatorade was bad for plants. Then the guy becomes president. The End.
get catcalled as a man? you're not a true man if you don't go with her and have unprotected sex. get catcalled as a woman? obvious misogyny and sexual assault. society
Hulk:” I got my ass beat by Thanos”
She Hulk: Well I got my ass beat in by Trojan. We are not the same.
wait what
I’m just tired of the MCU, but people gonna use that against me saying “oh you must hate women”. Nah, I’m just done, Endgame was a good finish.
Yeah.
Sorry, but it's hard to outdo fighting a villain whose eventual desire was to rip the Universe apart, atom-by-atom.
Every main quests are done. After Endgame, everything else are just side quests
I was hoping that with the Wanda Vision series that the MCU was gonna start pushing towards Avengers vs. X-Men but I dont think it's gonna happen. End game should have been the End.
Infinite war war a good finish. Change my mind
By people you mean women.
The worst part about this scene wasn’t what everyone keeps bringing up - it’s the fact even Jennifer acknowledges Bruce’s trauma and then brushes it aside like it wasn’t a big deal AND then goes on to say how men try to tell her how to do her how to handle her area of expertise while trying to tell Bruce how to handle his area of expertise.
If you really listen to her, she just comes off as a hypocrite.
But another thing people seemed to not notice or care about, was Jen was full of shit, she doesn’t know how to control her anger and they showed that by her hulking out at the end of the conversation.
Then to top it off, the actual truth makes it all far worse.
The only reason Jen can control it “better” is because Bruce was exposed to far more gamma radiation than she ever was.
The Savage She Hulk run showed us what Jennifer Is like after more exposure and she’s exactly the same as Bruce is with Savage Hulk.
Just another case of the writers forcing bullshit on the audience while not knowing or caring for the source material.
actually she is worse than bruce, that was HER savage hulk isn't bruce, it's hulk. hulk is almost like a soul of his own, it has shown multiple times he can exist in a body without bruce. so bascially she's a psycho on the level of hulk, a creation made to infintitly hate and rage on his mother's killer🤦♂
I haven't seen that profile picture of yours in a while
My problem with this show is the "woke" bullshit, but also that MCU CONTINUES to take a MASSIVE shit on Hulk. He-Hulk, not She-Hulk...
@@PoeticSonic yeah its incredibly obvious you don't actually read the comics because Banner very much does have a Savage Hulk form, I mentioned it to contrast how Jennifer acted after she syphoned the gamma radiation off a celestial and became as aggressive and hulked out as Banners Savage Hulk.
Jennifer never had the split personality, in fact no Hulk does other than Bruce, not his sons, not Betty, not Ross etc and the reason for that stems from always bottling up his anger which the others didnt do - however, Bruce was exposed to more gamma radiation than literally all of them combined which is why he became so unstable unlike the others.
I own literally multiple thousands of comics, thousands of just Marvel branded comics and easily at least 300+ Hulk comics alone.
pretty safe to say I'm well versed in the Hulk mythos
@@jantheking7028 believe it or not im actually a big fan of the games in general, but it is the reason you're thinking.
some people still get very upset about it.
If She-Hulk was in The Avenger
Captain: “Now might be a really good time to be angry”
She-Hulk: “I’m sorry. I don’t need an old timer white male to tell me, a smart independent female lawyer to do what in what situation”
Tony: “uuuuh guys, may hurry it up a little bit”
She-Hulk: “And I certainly do NOT need a rich white male playboy to push me, a smart independent female lawyer superheroine to do what in what situation”
Black Widow: “That’s it. I’m calling Banner. Steer it Tony”
Tony: “On my way” *lead the alien away*
She-Hulk: “Why don’t you call THE Captain Marvel? You think female superheroine is not worth enough for this situation as a psycho male superhero”
Director: “CUT CUT CUT. What’re you doing, follow the script”
She-Hulk *gets angry*
*She hulk makes monkey noises while tearing apart the set*
😂
🤣👏
🤣😭💀
Definitely this.
She-Hulk: Name a man in any universe that's had it worse than me
Guts: sits there silently shaking his head
Subaru from rezero just chilling
Sentry: Am I a joke to you
I could never say spiderman doesn't have it worse than me
Did she really say that. Oh boy. 🤦♂
Scorpion (Hanzo) from Mortal Kombat
"I have to deal with terrible things like air conditioning"
She hulk probably
Dont forget that AC is a very sexist thing appearently lol
Idk who came up with this btw
✋💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
🤧🤧🤧
@@group-music and many of then use the excessive skin exposure to gain power in corporate world by enticing others. What's your point?
@@group-music oh, I thought you were making some silly point of woman struggle or something. Sorry
This is the closest thing I'll get to watching the actual She Hulk show lol
Watched the first ep... I think I'm done 🙂
@@pete7312 same honestly lol
Yeah, I'll only watch the Daredevil scene on YT but even that will disappoint me because they'll butcher the character.
@@alexanderm.635 if you think daredevil will be butchered just wait till they find a way to get the punisher in the mix.
@@Blake-pn6xm It'll just be She-Hulk be like "My life is harder than you guys", then Matt says he's blind and Frank says his wife and child died and She-Hulk insults both of them
She-Hulk: "I suffer infinitely more than you!"
Dardevil: "I'm blind..."
She-Hulk: "So? Society turns a blind eye on the injustice of me getting cat called by average to below average looking men!"
Daredevil: "I can't see..."
She-Hulk: "Yes, you as a man can't see how much I have to get through as a white privileged woman these days!"
Daredevil:" I have no vision..."
She-Hulk: "You can't envision what pain I have to endure when I have to wait 5 minutes to get my double Mocca Latte at Starbucks, because I am a woman!"
Lol 👏🏽 smh
LMAOO!!! 😭😭
lol
🤣🤣🤣
Lol
Him staring into the camera at the end 😂😂😂
Also love how she complained about “mansplaining” to a PhD scientist who created the Hulk potion IN THE first place who had 15 years of experience dealing with it.
All good except for the "hulk potion" bit bruh.
@@drex5160 did you watch 2008 “the Incredible Hulk”?
@@Mr_Crafter1234 firstly we don't talk about 2008's "the incredible Hulk"🤢
Secondly, it was Samuel Sterns who made the "hulk juice", Banner himself would never want to make another hulk🤦🏻♂️
My #1 issue w/ this show so far is She-Hulk punking Hulk so frequently. No matter that Bruce is a SCIENTIST and has been a Hulk for MANY YEARS compared to her!!!
@@drex5160 wtf you saying? The Incredible Hulk was the most terrifying hulk version I've seen. Although the story is mediocre, the visuals are awesome, boi. If it's your opinion, alright and take care
The fact that she is complaining about men talking to her about her area of expertise while she’s trying to explain how her life is harder and talking about how much better she controls her ANGER than HULK. I’m so done with Disneys bullshit.
It's not even that... mr "patriarchy strawman" is also a lawyer so it's his area of expertise too... it's not like some random dude that knows nothing about the law is doing it. It's linda his fucking job.
Her telling him that if she doesn't control her anger, she might get murdered is *chef kiss*
It’s not even Disney that’s just life period I feel like marvel is explaining how the world actually is with women
@@prophecykings1848 lmao sure, I imagine it’s a single woman who’s saying that? The thing is that they don’t have to, where did it become necessary to poison fictional stories and characters with real life issues and controversy? It’s because the director and the cast are a bunch of mid 30s crisis single women that are desperate for feminist attention.
This dude broke the fourth wall just to tell us that the Black Widow movie was terrible.
I love this guy. 🤣🤣
It was tho...lol
@@jamesstrong593 Word man. They shafted Black Widow fr smh she deserved better
That's cap 🧢🧢🧢
I mean it wasn’t good, but it wasn’t horrible either, just mediocre. Natasha deserved better for sure though.
@@jacobd1984 you can tell the budget was very limited and she got whooped on the entire movie lol it was not good at all
Comic book she-Hulk would ring MCU she-Hulk by the neck for the shit she said to Bruce
Or She-hulk from Agents of S.M.A.S.H. would have Red Hulk tie her to a rocket and detonate it.
Yeah, at least with comic She-Hulk, her greater control was balanced by her far weaker strength, she could control her anger better, but there was far less of it
People also seem to miss the fact that she literally hulked out just thinking about being mad… if it was reversed, that would have resulted in Bruce leveling the city…
Exactly that exactly why bruce is right mfs keep saying "shes a woman she can control her anger" she almost killed some people he cant let her out and do that again
Nah. He has amazing self control. And she doesn’t.
True. She claimed to willingly do it, but I think she lied to save face.
Show is a joke
Yeah Bruce would have leveled the city because he has an alternate split personality that's an uncontrollable rage monster. Jen doesn't have a rage monster alternate personality, is able to control her emotions (including her anger infinitely better than he did since all he did for most of his time as Hulk was to repress them. which is NOT the same as controlling btw), and Bruce really didn't know how to handle that aspect of Jen becoming a Hulk. That was kind of the entire point of the episode. Did you miss that part?
"Like when incompetent men explain my own profession and areas of expertise"
My sister in christ you are explaining anger management *STRAIGHT TO THE FUCKING HULK*
Even better is that her argument gets destroyed utterly by just one line from The Avengers.
"That's my secret, Captain.....I'm always angry."
The mere fact that Bruce isn't *constantly* Hulking out, when he's "always angry", is reason enough to declare that yeah, he's actually much better at controlling his anger than Jen is.
At least capitalize Christ if you're going to say it.
@@jovani3 That’s not the damn point here Jovan
@@senatorstevenarmstrong9821 🤖
@@jovani3 well played
My boy Bruce has literally been in hiding for fucking YEARS on top of living in fear, bro was incapable of having a romantic relationship, especially sex because for a while he couldn’t risk his heart rate elevating and getting too excited. As it was said in the Incredible Hulk movie, which is still cannon to this version of Bruce Banner. On top of him being involved with anyone puts them in immediate danger. Betty was lucky she just so happened to be the Generals daughter. My guy spent years living in fear while being hunted down by the American Government. Bro moved to another country and they was STILL on his ass! I ain’t even finna bother incorporating the comics. I’ma just keep it all MCU. Bruce has spent all that time literally fighting another whole ass personality for control. Scared shitless he’d get angry, turn into the hulk and never be himself again. His BEST case scenario was professor hulk. All that shit and this bitch wanna compare that to being CAT CALLED??!!!! ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!
I talkes about this with one person and they said it was bruces fault for not facing his trauma.... i havr no faith in this species anymore
Amen brother, preach
That's one thing I wished the MCU showed more. The cartoon Earth's Mightiest Heroes portrayed it very well. Everytime Bruce turns into the Hulk there's always a chance he never reverts back. They're always fighting for control.
Don’t forget the vicious abuse he suffered in childhood literally fragmenting his mind and developing personalities to cope.
@@idkshtt isn’t that hulk, grey hulk etc? I remember reading a scan of something like that
She hulks out and can still go to her job as a lawyer.
He hulks out and levels an entire fuking city.
Jen: “People explain my own area if expertise to me”
Also Jen: Explaining Bruce’s expertise to him and claiming she’s better*
You know what else is just a number. "911 what is your emergency". This comment right here officer.
It's because they aren't the same, that's what she's explaining to him. She knows how to handle her anger.
@@dblueguy He's literally spent decades learning to control his anger so the people around him wouldn't be endangered. She doesn't know shit.
@@dblueguy but she doesn't tho lol
@@dblueguy they literally are
Let's see here:
Brucie: Beaten by his father for years, trauma so intense it literally created a psychotic rage monster inside him, hunted by the US military for years, seen as a monster by... 99% of the world, watched his mother get murdered in front of him, lost literally everything (his home, his gf, his job, his livelihood, and his reputation), wasted years of his life running, banished to another planet, had his wife murdered by the illuminati, his son hates him, and all around just has the worst luck.
She-Hulk: Hurr Durr Wahmen.
You forgot to add that bruce was also suicidal for a long time. Even going so far as to put a gun in his mouth
@@ethanlucas2081 he was also forced to fight for his life in a colleseum for his freedom, because he was literally enslaved,
Don’t forget he was a slave they made him into a gladiator
@@joasbenjamin7926 I mentioned that in my previous comment
As someone who has experienced childhood trauma, psychotic rage monster is pretty apt. My sister once beat a kid blind for hitting a pregnant teacher, she blacked out and hulked out on the kid due to her trauma of seeing my father beat my mother and the two of us.
People who legitimately do this and use their experiences of oppression to invalidate genuinely serious experiences men have, are so much more harmful than I can even feel like typing out rn.
Like, just cause men may not be a part of a marginalized group, doesn’t mean that they can’t go through things just as valid and real as anyone else. I’ve personally known women who were kinda like this, where anytime Id try to open up about my experiences, I’m shut down by being told that she has it worse. It’s like those people think we don’t have the right to our emotions.
Women are not part of a marginalized group either though. At least they haven't been for the past...two? Three? decades.
Don’t you get the memo ? When it comes to victimhood , only women matter , they are the only one who are allowed to be victims ,it’s always about them . You ask who made this rule ? Women themselves . They decided only they can be victims.
To a woman, men don't. Never believe them when they say they want you to show emotions. Doing so is just showing them weaknesses to exploit.
@@pagatryx5451 well not in any civilized countries, but if you have a problem with actual misogyny in the world you're "Islamophobic" or "Xenophobic" against Asians
This man singlehandly made this scene the best thing I've watched this week. Definite sub.
I think it would have been hilarious if in response to "My father killed my mother" She Hulk said "well my uncle killed my auntie" lmao
@Ricarlo stop
id die and laugh at the same time.
I was hoping at least one other person would bring it up. They straight up minimized a mentally unstable man's trauma to make she-hulk look better. It's fucked
Underrated comment 👏😂
Honestly clever
She-Hulk: "I get catcalled and men try to do tell me how to do my job."
Bruce: *attempted suicide after having to cut himself off from everyone he loves because the government tried to track him down*
Loses Nat and Tony, and Steve all in the same year. Thor and Clint are the only remaining OG Avengers left.
@@GamingLovesJohn Thor is offworld and Clint is retired. Hulk lost all of his original friends.
@@GamingLovesJohn The first three he lost within the same _24 hours,_ my friend.
@@EmphaticNod Actually, during Tony's funeral, you can see that everyone, except Banner himself, is fully healed, so it was likely over a week later that they lost Steve. But, yes, Nat and Tony passed within twelve hours of each other, at most.
@@Bl4ck-Fr057 Oh shit, you're right. I forget that Steve left after the funeral, and not right after the final battle.
She-Hulk's style of humor would've been PERFECT for the MCU, and her story could actually empower women In lots of ways while also showing the strength of family bonds with the Hulk.
But no, instead we got the MCU equivalent of a Netflix adaptation.
Marvel/Disney wishes they could produce a show with the quality of Daredevil or Jessica Jones. Your comment is laughably ironic
The She-Hulk that was in the 90s marvel cartoons was excellent, because she was already a capable lawyer respected in her profession before she even became She-Hulk.
After she became She-Hulk things changed for her, but she became both hero and a lawyer.
She also didn't have Bruce's issues so she didn't have the Jekyll and Hyde transformation cycle.
The She-Hulk comics are funny af
Don't forget the target audience of the show:
Literally no one that watches Marvel Movies
If I can remember, She-Hulk from the comics is also aware that her life is much better than Bruce's.
“I watched half the universe turn to dust”
“…they came back”
“BECAUSE OF ME.”
Bruh... She has to pay a dollar more for pink razors...
So brave. There's no words...
"I mean... you could just by razors that aren't pink..."
@@gamera5160 bigot
@@Phataku I'm sorry. Let me make it up to you. I have a ten gallon tub of ice cream, 37 stray cats, and a lifetime supply of box wine.
@@gamera5160 that'll do
37 stray cats😂 bro I can't
When Bruce smiled. He was like the adult, listening to a teenager complaining about high school drama.
Sexual assault is high school drama? 😐
@@Attkinz Words are not assault.
@@Attkinz I'm calling you a w0ke SJW, is this an assault? If it is then I don't care either way
@@Attkinz hey there cutie
@@supremecaffeine2633 So because it hasn’t happened yet it’s not a concern or a worry?
My man Bruce tried to end his own life.
Wasn’t it on multiple occasions too? Like different ways and shit
@@lauanobell7324 Yup. Tried suicide via all sorts of methods, eventually gave up.
Dude was mentally falling off a cliff trying to stop the death, pain and destruction by sacrificing himself.
But it's nothing compared to the trauma of being called beautiful by some stranger.
"I'm always angry" -Bruce Banner.
Bruce:
"I got real low. I put a bullet in my mouth, and the other guy spit it out"
Jen:
"Bruce, stop mAnSpLaiNiNg how to feel emotion smh"
(Also the fact that she just punches him out of nowhere after he'd done nothing but try and help her, AND SMILES ABOUT IT, actually enraged me. Imagine roles reverses lmao)
and he was physically incapable of it
This video is brilliant! Bravo, LongBeachGriffy!
I like how she says she hates having her own area of expertise explained to her, as she *explains controlling anger to the Hulk.*
And you just know for a fact that the writers don’t see the issue, here.
Even when the writers are indulging in wish-fulfillment, they still can't conceal how weak they are 😂
I only saw Critical Drinker's review of it, but to my understanding, the show absolutely failed at the basic principal of "Show, don't tell". We never actually see any of her so-called struggles (even as pathetically petty as they sound in comparison to everything Bruce went through), and if anything, she just had another female character singing her praises like no tomorrow.
The writers of Disney are walking corpse
@@YamatoFukkatsu they did show the struggles she was talking about it in the first episode. Not trying to be on the she hulks defense, I don’t like the show either
and you already know what the writers will say about videos and comments like this. it's something from Column A (the patriarchy, chauvinists, misogynists, incels, angry men, etc) responding with backlash towards something from Column B (the oppressed, independent strong women, feminism, equality, etc). Nothing to do with the depth or the story lacking.
Bruce openly admitted he put a gun in his mouth and ATTEMPTED SUICIDE in Avengers 1: "So, I put a bullet in my mouth, and the other guy spit it out."
HE IS NOT OKAY, HE NEEDS A HUG
it was in the first avengers! i remember that line but i was in doubt where he said it, Hulk movie, avengers 1 or avengers 2
Bruce attempting suicide was also a deleted scene in The Incredible Hulk. Except in the deleted scene, he transforms before he gets a chance to pull the trigger.
Crazy how the guy deals with suicide but the woman deals with cat calling and she says her struggles are worse.
I miss the tone of the Hulk in the earlier movies. Bruce was going thru dark times while the Hulk was still a beast. Smart Hulk was less cringe in She-Hulk than he was in Endgame, but I still hope World War Hulk becomes a reality & we get a villainous monster movie.
@@SpiritxEnigma I’m still upset that Leader got teased in Hulks movie and then nothing came of it. Hulk has the most under appreciated villains in Marvel. Absorbing Man, Ravage, Madman, Leader, Abomination, Devil Hulk, Red Hulk, the U-Men, Enclave. Give Hulk some respect MCU!
“I know you tried to shoot yourself but I got catcalled on the street” 😭
How she getting at being called beautiful fr.
"And everyone came back"
"Yeah, they came back because _I_ brought them back and nearly killed myself in the process"
This really encapsulates how individual experiences are completely tossed aside in favor of the collective. Doesn't matter what you, personally, went through or did. All that matters is what group you fit into and what their collective experience is.
Okay but you cannot compare a cat call to years of being hunted down by the government
Factsss
@Ricarlo This is hella cringe bro. Stop.
It's how victim and cancel culture works. The victim will always bee seen as the victim and when the "aggressor" tries to defend themselves they're seen as a douche and invalid. It's literally why people make fun of "not all men" even though it's LITERALLY like 10% of men who give men a bad name. Plus, not all men includes trans men and homesexual males which women are quick to defend yet fall under the umbrella they hate.
My group identity is the sound a whales tail makes slapping against the surface of the ocean.
This reminds me of the time I spent a whole month in the hospital, fighting for my dear life, nearly dying twice, experiencing pains I would not wish on my worst enemy, ending up losing my entire colon and having to poop in a bag for the rest of my life, and spends months of physical therapy to regain the ability to walk.
Only to wake up in the ICU beside a clown who would no stop complaining that "my bandage is tight!" over a thumb injury...
I mean unless he was saying he had it worse.. sounds like he was just in pain. More than one person can be in pain.
I hate when people make trauma a competition, yeah bro you went throught a lot of shit, doesn't mean we should be happy because we got fucked half up without lube insted of all the way up without lube, both of us got fucked and have to deal with our shit just stfu about and talk with trusted person our profesional
Why would a guy with thumb injury be at the ICU in the first place?
No idea. Maybe his thumb was infected or he has MRSA or cellulitis or sepsis from the thumb injury
To be fair it doesnt sound like he was rubbing it in and making it out to be that he was worse off than you, I think dude was just uncomfortable. Without context it just sounds like you're a dick
It’s sad that griffy’s absolutely right. I can’t even make a funny comment, that’s how offensive that show is to marvel fans like myself. Not only do they completely ham fist invalidate hulk, but they spit on she hulk as a character as well.
Goddamn. They went from Infinity War and Endgame to this. Wow.
Endgame started this by skipping his development. We can’t ignore what Endgame did to both Hulk and Thor.
@@Unknown-hb3id agreed, Endgame was where the cracks were beginning to show for characters like Bruce, Thor and maybe others, it was all downhill after that
Like many of us said: Marvel ended with Endgame
@@Unknown-hb3id now if u see Thor love and thunder , it's a bloody fcuking joke , the goats and the writing wtf . Now even the weapons have feelings who the fcuk have them a green light.
Marvel fans lol You mean Suckers.
meanwhile the punisher fought through the trauma of Afghanistan and his family was merked by his own squad mate
cap fought in ww2 and tony was kidnapped....
Ten bucks says She-Hulk starts an OnlyFans by the end of the season.
She did say she was still paying off her law degree
This video basically has the same energy as the "name a character, who went through more pain than Ellie" and I like it
Who's _“Ellie”_ 😂 ?
@@Cipher_Paul everyone asking “who is Ellie?” But no one is asking “**How** is Ellie?”
@@weepie4089 I'll do you one better. WHY is Ellie?
@@Cipher_Paul The Last of Us character
Honestly that line is so stupid. Ellie went through a lot but making it sound like she had it the worst is retarded. Thats like saying "my pain is worse so anything you feel is invalid cuz it will never reach my level."
Hulk: "I want to help you because no one was there to help me."
She-Hulk: "Fuck your help. Gross guys call me hot sometimes. Do you have ANY idea how hard it is being told you're hot by people who are NOT? Of course you don't Bruce, because you're part of the gross gender."
Tell me you're a child without telling me you're a child.
@@dblueguy this..doesn't really apply in this situation?
@@dblueguy ironically you did just that.
Basically that speech
She-Hulk in a nutshell? 🤔
“Everyone came back”
Hulk: I BROUGHT THEM BACK!!!