Indian Defence Strategy - Forces, Potential and Procurement Disasters
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When debates arise on what the worlds strongest militaries are, attention tends to focus on the United States, PRC, and the Russian Federation. Less often mentioned is India...and I think that's a massive oversight.
With a rapidly growing economy, young demography, and a developing military industry, India's military evolution and strategy are likely to become ever more significant regional and global factors in the coming years.
So today, let's talk about it
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Caveats & Comments:
All normal caveats and comments apply.
At one point I refer to the Defence Acquisition Procedure 2016 - as per the slide, it was actually the Defence Procurement Procedure at the time. My reading was focused on the 2020 document, not 2016 as mentioned.
In particular - I would like to note as always that this material has been created for entertainment purposes and should not be relied upon to inform financial or other similar decisions.
Relevant Reading (to be expanded)
Platform counts are generally MB2022 figures for sake of consistency with other episodes
TIV figures are per SIPRI
Defence Acquisition Procedure - 2020
www.ddpmod.gov.in/sites/defau...
Defence Procurement Procedure - 2016 highlights
www.scribd.com/document/31250...
Defence Procurement Procedure - 2013
cgda.nic.in/pdf/DPP2013.pdf
Featured Comptroller and Auditor General Report (35 or 2014)
cag.gov.in/webroot/uploads/do...
loksabhadocs.nic.in/Refinput/...
Defence Procurement Manual 2016 (DRDO)
www.drdo.gov.in/sites/default...
Reporting on India China clashes
www.wsj.com/articles/spiked-c...
Reporting and Service Records
www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Da...
www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Da...
www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Da...
economictimes.indiatimes.com/...
Reporting on QR bloat
thewire.in/security/indian-mi...
US Force Demographics -2021
www.defenseculture.mil/Portal...
Dewey, McGerty, & Solanki (IISS) - Personnel vs. capital: the Indian defence budget
www.iiss.org/en/online-analys...
Reporting on Agnipath
www.ndtv.com/india-news/agnip...
timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...
pib.gov.in/PressReleseDetail....
Reporting on Russian arms deliveries to India
www.reuters.com/world/india/r...
Reporting on MiG-21
www.indiatoday.in/india/story...
thewire.in/security/mig-21-sq...
www.indiatoday.in/india/story...
www.independent.co.uk/asia/in...
Reporting on QRs
thewire.in/security/indian-mi...
INSAS retiring
economictimes.indiatimes.com/...
Featured WB article on Indian growth
www.worldbank.org/en/news/pre...
Reporting on Indian defence budget
www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...
F404 order
www.flightglobal.com/defence/...
For comparison: F-16 mishap and pilot loss statistics
www.safety.af.mil/Portals/71/...
Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Indian Defence Strategy
00:01:20 - What Am I Talking About?
00:04:14 - History
00:07:59 - Strategic Situation
00:21:22 - Indian Armed Forces
00:27:29 - The Nuclear Program
00:36:21 - Strengths & Challenges
00:46:37 - Defence Industry & Procurement
00:50:14 - Why Procurement Goes Wrong?
01:10:15 - Conclusion
01:11:03 - Channel Update
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No video I've ever done has taken as long to put together as this one - so there's probably no better choice for a near end of year release.
This video was a hard one to produce - firstly because of the scale of the subject (ideally I'd actually be able to do 3 videos on India - this one, one on modernisation and the future (because Indian industry and the armed forces are likely to look a lot different in 15 years than they are now) and something like a procurement best of/deep dive into the best and worst programs and systems to come out of India).
It was also hard because simple messages are easy, and India isn't simple. What I have tried to do is capture the scale and strength of the Indian military, the potential of its industry and economy and its increasing ambition - as well as some of the factors that have held it back, particularly when it comes to what I know best, which is budgeting and procurement.
Given time limits - some topics have been simplified or omitted (including some of India's border disputes) but please don't take those omissions as a statement that those factors are irrelevant.
Not all sources fit in the source list so I'll put together a document holding additional resources and add that as a link in the next 24 hours or so (please keep an eye out and read the description section).
I hope you all enjoy, and I'll see you again next week.
I'm just glad to get this Christmas gift. Also, early Merry Christmas to you, Perun. And thanks for all that you do.
Perun: "I'd like to enjoy more of your traditional pasta dishes"
Swedes: *Spagetti och Meatballs with ketchup*
Oh my god
Mom it PowerPoint SATURDAY
With Peru as our leader we shall make PP great again. WooHoo
now do nation between india and china
Too bad India doesn't have a Time-travel machine
If only they could go back to the Bronze Age to fix their poverty
As an aerospace engineer of Indian origin who works abroad but keenly follows the happenings in Indian defense industry, i can say that this commentary is superb and accurately and unbiasedly captures the current state of Indian defense industry and procurement. Simply put, we are our own worst enemies!
Thank you Perun for shining a light on this. I wish the policy makers, defense leaders and bureaucrats see this video and have time to reflect on it.
Right on braddah! I'm very happy to read your affirmation that our Mr. Perun has done his due diligence and unbiased reportage nonpareil once again.
Batting 1000!
Merry Christmas Perun!
It actually permeates through your private businesses as well. It almost seems as though there is an emphasis on being over the top professional with zero chance of profit in any contract negotiation. It puts indis's requests at the bottom of the to does when we get them.
@@whispermason8052 follow me💖🙏🙏🙏🙏
not just only the indian defence industry, the whole blooming shemozzle
@@ursodermatt8809 follow me🙏💖
„If there are two things German industry can do well, it's expensive and submarines.“ You can't imagine how much patriotism this sentence let's me feel.
Are you gonna have a explosif orgasm if say the world 'diesel engine'
There you got your good german time now i'm here to remind you the country you tried to invade (and to be fair did a good job the 2nd time) twice between you and the Atlantic, well we have more or less the same defense budget. And i'll let peruns 2 videos on germany and france drive the point home that cash is not an accurate reflector of a nations capability...
And if i ever feel insecure during this dick measuring contest i'll just play my get out of jail free card and tell you i'm also a native (wrong word lol, as in born and raised in ny not the other native) american and that army i believe has never answered a question starting with "do you want this feature..." by anything other then yes
For fuck sake they're even trying to make their new 300+m 100k ton aircraft carriers stealthy. Not real steath but that still a massive flex as far as i m concerned
"We defeated the wrong enemy" -George S. Patton
In recent years they added houses to the expensive list.
@@u2beuser714 Don't do that. The old fool just wanted to keep fighting.
@@dudermcdudeface3674Though in retrospect, defeating the USSR and Communism then would've saved money and lives and stopped some future wars such as bloody Korea.
So many gems in this but this sticks out 28:08 "Remember, this is a time when the Soviet Union and the United States were basically fighting a sustained thermonuclear war against Kazakhstan and Nevada respectively". Perun, you should be writing for the screen, Sir.
Not to mention the Bikini atolls
And the arctic, in the case of Russia and Novaya Zemlya. Not to forget the French testing in Mururoa in the south Pacific either . .
@@matthewg2530 or French Algeria
He is, it's just not a terribly big screen...
I listen not only for his vast research and knowledge but for Perun's most wicked zingers! One must listen closely, or his deadpan delivery will slip right past. So many times:?did he just say… rewind, replay… why yes, yes he did! Sharp as a tack and deadly satirical wit. Love this young man... AZ 👵🏻🌵🇺🇸
7 months ago Perun said in the Japan video we would get a video on India. 100% Worth The Wait
but i would have loved if this was a three parter.
Wait that was 7 months ago ??
Wake up samurai! It's powerpoint Saturday!
I had to check that I didn't miss Saturday and somehow ended up on Sunday night 📈
Who sleeps? Sanity is boring
Hell yeah brother
Wake the f*** up, Samurai! We've got a presentation to attend...
SING THIS SONG, I'M CHIPPIN IN
Ukrainian and Indian logistics and maintenance having a drink together.
_"We have more types and countries of origin."_
"We have to do _fighter jets_ from different power blocs."
India - Hey, hey, hey... Ukraine, you don't have to maintain Flankers, Mig 29s, Mirage 2000s, Rafales, Tejases, Mig 21s, AND SEPECAT Jaguars at the same time😂
(PS - Also until recently, Mig 27s)
Edit : Also until 2009, Mig 23s.
Also three different attack helos (Apaches, Hinds and HAL Prachands - plus the HAL Rudra, a gunship variant of the Dhruv utility helo)
Ukrainian airforce chaos is in the future. For now land based equipment is a mess and amount of available manpower to deal with this mess is way lower than in India.
@@Thaidory : Ukrainian airforce is going to be fine. They aren't going to be getting supplies from Russia, and neither are any of their allies, so the old Soviet fleet is going to be retired as soon as they can.
@@benoithudson7235 Ukrainian airforce right now has suffered alot of attrition and the future of adopting F-16 heavily depends on unreliable political will of the West.
the future of domestic policy is uncertain as well @@Thaidory. If they lose the war, it could destabilize the pro-Eurpoean government trend, and I think Putin is kind of banking on that.
In 1948, the two dominions went to war with the exact same head of state on both sides.
Your majesty, our forces have defeated the forces of that most avaricious and dangerous of forces, your majesty's other armed forces.
Also, both armies were initially led by British Chiefs of Staff lmao
@@SounakDas-zb3xc Brits got tired of fighting wars with other people, they start fighting a war between themselves for laughs.
@@minhtrungle9117lol sounds like something the greenskins would do. Guess that explains their cockney accents.
@robertjarman3703 Man, that line sounds straight out of Blackadder goes forth...
Fuck it, we need a Blackadder 1948 India edition
@@minhtrungle9117 This is what happens when the bloody French want a year off.
As the civilian son (who has a good amount of interest in military/geopolitical matters) of a retired Indian Army officer who fought in the 1965 and 1971 wars, I found this video very balanced and well-researched.
What did your immediate ancestor think of the Centurions?
@@chungusbooper What did you mean by "Centurions"?
tanks
@@hsjawanda
It was alright. Held its own agaisnt the patton in 65 and 71. Not decisively better. My father was an armoured corps officer with the indian army. @chungusbooper
Bold assumption of you that I use the internet.
I get your videos delivered to me by a dozen pigeons carrying a VHS tape.
I admire the novel logistics solution
Most secure communication method in the modern electronic warfare environment
RFC 1149: IP over Avian Carriers, strikes again
What, with a tree bark sling held under the dorsal guiding feathers?
What's your procedure for getting your comments under RUclips videos? Do those same pigeons carry papers with the comments on them for someone else to type them?
Damn, thank you so much for this video Perun. My Dad is retired now but he used to work for a Indian government department that worked with the military and according to him until a decade ago all government departments were basically adult day cares where nothing got done. This one time he got transferred to a different state because he refused to sign off on a govt contract to a shady private company, he only found out years later that his bosses were involved with that company when the new government ordered an inquiry into this situation and found his bosses guilty. Hope things only get better and better for our country
sounds like your dad was involved in some shady business
@@datboib3432being involved and being guilty are different things
@@datboib3432 Sounds like you're a troll with reading comprehension issues. To reiterate OP's operative word: "REFUSED"
@@datboib3432 What you say!?🤨
Sounds like his Dad was a great man of upstanding character to me! I salute him 🫡
Your dad dodged a bullet there.
A high quality hour-long presentation on defense strategy ranks way up there as a Christmas gift!
32:50 Ah yes, clearly the 5500km range is precisely calibrated to maximise range without provoking the terrifying wrath of Emutopia.
Agni 5 will almost certainly do 8000kms judging by the size and Agni 6 currently under development will do 10000 but they'll understate the range for obvious reasons
@@ArupRatanMitra Well at least Kiwiland should be safe.
@@ArupRatanMitra They'll simply keep testing it in a lofted trajectory to understate the range. And they're readying an HGV to mount on it, so the range becomes even more uncertain after that.
@@fraserwilson249for further than 8000 km we have isro rockets ;)
Emutopia is little India, so no problem there.
As an Indian, I genuinely want to thank you for the in depth and deeply researched video. This was an excellent watch and provided a completely neutral, unbiased and an almost clinical view of Indian defense and strategy. Bravo, sir. Bravo!
I'd love to eventually see a video on Vietnamese defense startegy and procurement. Their bizzare mix of leftover American, supplied Soviet, and newer Israeli and domestic equipment is incredibly interesting, as is their ability to continue to utilize, revitalize, and operate very old weapons systems. M113 ACAVs mounting DShKs and PKMs, locally proudced M16 and CAR-15 variants, a local upgrade to the old M79 as the standard grenade launcher, a modernized AKM uisng an AK-74 muzzle break, plastic furniture and folding stock, and mounting M203s for ammo compatibility with the previously mentioned M79s, and even a new service rifle which is a locally produced Galil ACE derviative is the kind of weird stuff that gets a gear nerd like me excited, and matching all of this with their attempts at maintaining neutrality amongst growing US-Chinese competition in their neighbourhood is very, very interesting to me.
S hole
The usa super cowards Got kicked out Vietnam by patriotic Vietnamese using water pistols while riding bicycles
Usa's weapons???? Sell those junks to Fred Flintstone of washingrock
as a VNmese i am looking forward to it too, but simply put just VN alone might not make enough valuable content for a 1 hour long MS Powerpoint presentation
i am guessing Perun could consider including VN in a compiled presentation about emerging defense industries, or about the defense industries of South East Asian countries
(VN was included in a previous video about Russian arms export)
To make it even weirder, there's also news saying that Vietnam is mulling purchasing F-16s from the US. Assuming the deal goes through, I wonder if any Vietnam veterans on both sides would ever thought they'd see the day that the US would sell weapons to a communist nation (even if it's semi-self described)
I am an academic researcher by profession: this (and most other) videos by Perun is absolutely premier class, both in terms of research and presentation. If you have an interest in this stuff and aren't subscribed, you're making a mistake and losing out. Fantastic episode.
Preaching to the converted?
Perun's videos are probably case studies being used by government departments to advise ministers
@@EAFSQ9If they aren't they should be.
@@EAFSQ9 I can assure you that they get their due recognition ( for the purpose of general perception of things on a global level in a neutral way as he provides a balanced observation)
@@EAFSQ9 No, they are not. Most of these info is available on wikipedia(not reliable🙃). The CAG report screenshot was surfacing on twitter 10 days back...
I’m surprised the fifth horseman of “corruption” wasn’t mentioned.
The different requirements for Arjun and T-90 in particular smack of money changing hands to ensure a particular result.
Great content btw! Love every minute of it
Because at a certain threshold it becomes very hard to distinguish the incompetence from the corruption. Canada is more incompetent than corrupt so it is easy to see the incompetence clearly. In Russia while the incompetence in some areas is high, it still pales to the monolith that is Russian corruption. But India just has that special balance that of really high incompetence levels blended seamlessly with high corruption. It becomes hard to tell what exactly is even going on.
yes. foreign suppliers can give kickbacks that your local government owned supplier cannot. the army is the most corrupt of the 3 wings, as can be expected.
it's also why big ticket capital expenditures seemingly out of sync with the challenges of the last few decades keep eating into budgets... but sights and plates for the lowly infantryman is never a question.
The arjun is shit. Not capability wise. But because of quality control. That's the only reason why the indian army doesn't want it. That and the fact it doesn't traverse any of the bridges in forward areas because they are not related above 37 to 38 tones, the arjun is about 42 or more, depending on its armour profile. The two regiments that use it, usually keep the gunner out the turret because there are serious issues with the grooves of the rifled guns that lead to shrapnel flying into the turret with fatal consequences on occasion. Everyone who knows nothing on the issue love speculating about why the IA favors the T90 and upgraded T72s over the arjun.
@@IndianArma Nobody stopped the Army from following into the Navy's footsteps and actually creating their own design bureau (yeah they finally did it but how long did it take and what have they actually built in that bureau except for ASMI SMG) and sending their retired officers into industry to oversee production of Army gear. Problem with the Army is that they don't take ownership of the designs they demand. And problems within the DRDO is that some of their labs have poor, non-serious leadership. As for the production quality issues of Arjun, well, we should let it go because they killed the department responsible for that (OFB). Now let us see how the revamped Indian MIC deals with the newer Armoured vehicle projects like Zorawar, FRCV and FICV.
And don't get me started on the turf wars within the Army itself that have delayed or scuttled absolutely vital programs like the CIDSS, ASTROIDS, BSS, etc. Luckily IACCS Shakti and AADCR Akashteer systems escaped that fate. And then there is the lack of seriousness when it comes to equipping the largest arm of the Army: the humble Infantry.
There is a lot of change needed in MoD as well. That L1 system is F**ing our preparedness. As are the bean counters of the Finance Ministry. Penny wise pound fo0lish.
@@rooneytutoring every country has corruption, but i can assure you that we have less corruption than Pakistan, Russia and China.
I know our officers are no clean as european officer but still better than those three
The thing is, as far as I know (from a channel called InsideRussia), India makes Russia sell them oil for Rupees, which Russia basically can only spend on Indian goods and services. Which in turn once again benefits the Indian economy while limiting Russian spending opportunities.
Love to see it
India is will to pay in dollars but Russia has no ability to process dollars. Russians want yuans and India wont use yuans.
So now Indian dockyards are getting contracts to build cargo ships for Russia using that money. Its like barter but beneficial for both.
I believe china is doing the same thing especially now with the ukraine conflict since russia has to take what it can get
@@sage5296according to Konstantin from Inside Russia, China is making Russia pay for construction of the gas pipe Power of Siberia. To add insult to injury, China is also demanding large discounts for all gas delivered. As Konstantin also said "Russian, bow for your new masters"
Russia has actually been getting pissed at India for buying discounted Russian crude and then reselling it as diesel to Russia's former diesel customers.
I've never seen a non-Indian produce a video this accurate when it comes to Indian Defence. Bonus points for not making political jibes like many other creators. Well done good Sir.
You have to be careful not to offend Hindu nationalists. They are thin-skinned.
Honest question; what are the political jibes in this case?
@@blargvlarg1390destruction of democratic principles by current government
@blargvlarg1390 any joke about dravidians on horses is essentially throwing a grenade behind you....
@@badluck5647dude, the OP is one. He's actually a solid security analyst.
Most of the time the West just gets things wrong.
Never expected to be really into long form military analysis content but here we are, from "All Bling, No Basics" to Space Warfare & India it's been a genuinely lovely show to watch, it'll be a sad day when Perun stops uploading but until then, thank you mate. (Love from Tasmania)
And Merry Christmas!
Same man, same.
I expect it to be both happy and sad that day, since it will be a day where defense procurement and logistics will no longer be a pressing concern (aka, peace breaks out worldwide). That’s when I’ll have to get my Perun fix with his gaming channel. Looking forward to it, though I believe it to be far in the future, if ever.
No one in the history of humanity has ever described military procurement in such engaging, entertaining and informative terms. Perun, this was a tour de force. I salute you.
I couldn't agree more with you! Not only is this incredibly well researched and unbiased, but the delivery is unparalleled.
T-72s in Russia's war: "Hey, they're doing okay!"
T-72s in an Indian war: "Oh dear, they're scraping the bottom of their barrel!"
....Good for you, India
It's because we expect so much better of India... Because Russia is... Well if you've studied Russian history... It's Russia...
Russia: I wonder if that T-34 on that plinth might be useful?
@@Hebdomad7 yeah honestly if it's wasn't for such terrible Indian procurement process the Russian arms industry would be collapsed
@@kameronjones7139 Collapsed is a stretch. Russia, until the war in ukraine had many customers egypt, algeria armenia and all the ex-ussr states would have purchased from russia and i didnt scratch the surface yet
@u2beuser714 none of which buy the quantity of what india does. Alot of the ex ussr states are moving away from Russia and Russian equipment reputation is going down pretty bad recently. They are also struggling to get partners on newer weapons programs as is meaning they can't fund newer things. We are already seeing them slip badly in arms sales losing india would be a death blow
I've heard dealing with Indian bureaucracy being compared to trying to nail a pudding to the wall.
Its more like trying to nail a pudding to your forehead.
Bureaucracy, corruption, and protectionism are the key reasons why India's economy never grew like China's.
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Indian Bureaucracy would be a great book topic.
All thanks to 70 years of caste based affirmative action
@@bramha9680 affirmative action changed nothing in bureaucracy.
The whole bureaucracy was setup to rule the masses for bureaucrats benefit just like the british raj. They were all brown englishmen regardless of affirmative action...
Having previously spent several years doing administrative support to the US Army security assistance community, I very much appreciate the perspectives provided in this piece.
jesus christ
@@danger3_255 😆
As an Indian, this is the most well researched through and unbiased video i have ever seen on the Indian Armed forces, thankyou for this!
As a former designer of US military aircraft and spacecraft (AFIT and Boeing) procurement documents out of a marvel comic book are standard.
Sure, but you've got the budget and the industry
The US has a cost plus and guaranteed cost overrun system. Plus the US has a long history of industrialization. India does not have the economies of scale for jet engines. The US production of jet engines is $54 Billion. India will need only a few hundred jets engines for its Tejas. It should have license produced Snecma engines or something like that. If Indian can buy French aircraft, I don't see any reason not to license produce the engines.
@@rajeshkanungo6627 Oh believe me, they've asked. France isn't stupid enough to give their most valuable IP to India so that they can underbid France with their own tech.
@@rajeshkanungo6627 Cost plus is not available for most contracts. If you overrun your bid, you payout of your pocket ( I worked the RAH-66 contract which was not cost plus). If the government modifies the requirements after the bid, then the contractor submits a bid for the changes, the government may solicit bids for these modifications to other contractors. The price usually escalates for specific modifications and a continued bid process. The last cost plus contract I am aware of that we did in my particular group was Dyna-Soar.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-20_Dyna-Soar
@@rajeshkanungo6627 When it comes to jet engines, people need to realize that no amount of "Transfer of Technology" BS will allow India to catch up to the Gas Turbine superpowers of USA, UK and France. India needs to not only license produce foreign engines (like they are now planning to do with the GE-414), but also fund a parallel effort furthering the gains of the Kaveri engine program. Yes, under the Ghatak UCAV, we are planning to take the Kaveri forward, but that is a non-afterburning consolation price. We need to further jet fighter engine tech by our own effort and for that, a new engine program that can drop fit into the AMCA Mk2 is neccessary even as we need to avoid linking the AMCA Mk2 to this new engine and risking both programs repeating Tejas history.
Re the military pensions issue. Don't forget, traditionally, the Indian military has always been a "family affair". That is multi-generational military families. And, often, almost entire towns and villages have a major component of their members either in the military, or on the pension. Hence there is a large sector of Indian society that wishes to see the existing system to continue.
Caste system.
Lol what a bozo😂😂😂@@playedout148
So entire Kshatriya communities.
@@playedout148😂😂😂 Living under the Rocks? 😂😂😂
Perun, are you taking a holiday over Xmas? You deserve one.
Same man, do take a break
This video is likely one that's been in production for a while and put in the back catalog ready to ship when he wants to take a break.
Military procurement system dysfunction should be measured in units of Milo Minderbinders.
The Elbonian scale.
Your range is so impressive. You've really carved out such an awesome niche for yourself here on RUclips. I really appreciate you deciding to share all of this analysis and knowledge with us all. It's been a real pleasure. Hope you're well, and that you get everything that the new year has to offer. 🎉
Every single word of this.
Japan: We don't switch things up often, but when we do it, we go for the bleeding edge.
India: We will stick to the cold war stuff until we can locally produce this Blackwall-tapping, Psi-Jump drive propelled... thingy that can also strike from the Warp we requested, on budget, in accordance with our procedures.
Japan: Good luck, with that...
Edit: I don't know if its my wordings are wrong or people don't know fun anymore. The point of the joke is India having fancifully high QR standard, but also want it cheap, local, and go through its wierd admin procedures. The other interlocutor being Japan is because of it also having this tendency of staying with the old then hop to the edge. The difference being while Japan's tech hopping is toward something rather realistic, India on the other hand, persues more... fantastic goal. As Perun pointed out, it works sometimes, and works well if it worked, but more often it runs into problems.
TLDR: Indian defense sector is kind of Japanese on acid.
you wish
Lmfao that's not close to realistic
India won't surpass Japan in technological advancements
@@MyHandelsMessiah Depends. We already have in a couple of areas. India holds the world record for:-
1.) Deepest deep sea crawler (for deep sea mining). It is called the Varaha.
2.) Longest distance achieved in quantum entanglement communication through commercial fiber optic cable (somewhere in the range of 380 km from what I remember).
Also, India has developed on its own and demonstrated a direct ascent HTK anti-satellite missile. Japan at least hasn't demonstrated that yet. So there are niche areas where India does have some technologies Japan doesn't yet have. But in the broad sense, obviously Japan is more advanced technologically.
In a broad sense, it isn't really surprising that Japan is ahead of India in tech for now. Because they are a developed nation and a larger economy than India (for at least the next couple of years, after that India will surpass them economically). And that is when Indian economic heft starts playing in India's favour to offset Japan's developed nation advantage. In next couple of years, India will have its own independent human spaceflight program and its own-designed and built Exascale supercomputer. Japan has yet to do either of this and while it will get the supercomputer part, they won't have the budget for an independent human spaceflight program.
More like:
Japan: We don't switch things up often, but when we do it, we go for the bleeding edge.
India: We will stick to the cold war stuff until we buy something from the ruzzians
When it comes to engineering India is far far behind. Haven't heard anybody use Indian designed machinery or weapons. In fact I haven't heard about ANY Indian engineering company.
@1Ministras india supplies weapons to Vietnam, Philippines and most notably Armenia, after the norgno karabakh conflict. Indian automobile company TATA, owns Aston Martin, jaguar and land rover. Indian engineering is powering the latest iteration of cost effective space exploration, a majority of thr most advanced chips that are fabricated elsewhere are designed in india. Besides, India has an edge in quantum entanglement, only behind China, India has a long way to go. But your statement is more reflective of your ignorance as opposed to an assessment of reality.
Your Italian/Swedish Pasta analogy regarding Indian diversity was top notch😅
A Tex Talks Battletech lecture on Great House Military Procurement with Perun as guest presentor isn't something I knew I needed before today lol. Fantastic Work as always. You can't ask for a better associate than Tex
Sounds less like they wanted a “gold standard” domestic tank and more like they wanted a magic domestic tank.
India is either the sidewalk is the byblic restroom or bollywood magic I win button by next month from an outsiders perspective.
Get the magic book we are making this thing fly
When LazerPig said Arjun development was a comedy (this is after India decided not to buy T-14 tanks from Russia and restarted its own effort) he wasn't kidding.
To be fair, even Russia hasn't made/bought many T-14 tanks....
LazerPig is great! Wish he would up load more
To be fair, Indian defence industries produced many failures in the era that it made Arjun in, stuff like Trishul SAM, BHIM SPG, etc. Compare that to now, when Indian defence industry is making largely successful programs like the Astra, VL-SRSAM, QRSAM, ATAGS, MGS, etc. QRSAM, for example, is a short range mobile AD with state-of-the-art Gallium Nitride AESA radars, active homing, etc.
So people making fun of Indian effort at making a new tank after Arjun are basically jumping the gun. Will it be a world beater? No. I don't expect our boffins to suddenly create a super cannon with an APFSDS better than the M829A3 or something. But it is not going to be a slouch either. Multiple technologies for the new tank are already being tested way before the actual tank's design has even been hinted at. For example, its 1500 HP engine is already bench testing. Quite the contrast to the Arjun where the engine and many other components had to be imported because domestic alternatives either weren't ready on time or else not upto the mark. Also, this time around, world renown Indian private behemoths like Tata, L&T and Mahindra are involved in the development effort from the prototypes stage itself. They have already made the Indian Stryker equivalent (two different models in fact) based on this new method of involving private industry from the get go. Now they are doing the same for the FICV and will eventually do it for the next tank as well.
Ofcourse the litmus test of this all will be how the light tank project Zorawar turns out. The key problem in the Arjun program wasn't that the tank design was bad or that India didn't have the tech prerequisites complete. It was that the Army's DG Mechanized Forces was not on the same page as the CVRDE. While today there have been steps taken to address that, the efficacy of those tanks has yet to be proven (early signs from Zorawar don't appear to be promising, but it is too soon to tell, we'll know by end of this year).
@@death_paradebro how do u have so much knowledge on defence
@@av94718 More than a decade of reading on the topic from well curated source coupled with my background in mechanical engineering. Not that hard to do actually. Its just that I've spent a lot of time on this hobby.
This was a really good and comprehensive look at Indian defence strategy and economics, and was well worth the wait. Happy holidays, Perun, you definitely deserve a good break!
That was so utterly fascinating! And since I'm France based, the procurement section was the most informative! Thank you so much, and happy holidays.
Indian procurement sounds like a cultural issue.
I have exactly the same impression from working with Indian friends - expecting absurd things from the new features, while being cool and danady with ancient old sh**.
Indians don't care what you think.
OMGoodness, I was going to say the same thing. It is very much a cultural issue. Some can be extremely frugal, have unrealistic expectations and wants better than every one else.
As an Indian who lived in India for 20 years and now in Germany, I have absolutely no clue what culture you are talking about since there's like a 100 of them in India each with their own mindset, etc. I know this goes against your established view of us but if an "Indian" or let's say a human... Is learned in what he's using they don't expect anything unrealistic, it's a matter of our job positions and roles which lead to pressures and stresses thus the unrealistic expectations, just as in any other "culture".
But sure you wanna get your likes and validation so go ahead, stereotype us😂, or even better insult me after you realise how stupid you sound when you class all Indians under just your "Indian friends".
As an Indian i would like to know your western perspective on this issue. What you meant to say was that indians are brain wired in such way that they want every features and all benefits in one product. Is that right ?
@@parthmendapara574 I love experiencing different cultures and appreciating diversity. In a way, you can almost say the way our brains are wired IS our culture. But I would not say they are hard wired, because I am 50yo Syrian descent, with very conservative upbringing. I left home at 18 and was endlessly curious at the world I found. So I believe that I was able to rewire my brain to a certain degree from what I was originally designed for. And I still do, as a leader in my workplace I need to relearn how to best navigate different relationships with respect for everyone.
The Mig-21 are known as death traps for experienced pilots... My Grandfather was ground crew at Deveselu Air Base in, Romania back in the 60' and 70's. He was responsible among other thing to collect the remains of jets that became "agricultural machines"... One of our neighbors was the Flight group commander and, since I had a love for Jets, we talked a lot (that happened in the 90's). And we talked about all type of facts regarding US and USSR fighters, including difference between F-16's, Mig-29s and Mig-21 which all became part of Romania's Air Force at some point... From what I remember from my neighbor (who also had this "experience" but survived), the main issue with the Mig21 is that its engine might flame-out if a certain angle of attack is being reached at a certain (relative low) speed (I don't remember the exact numbers)... When this happens, an experienced pilot would attempt an engine restart or a forced landing trying to save the plane, while a younger pilot (generally trained to bail-out in this situation) would probably decide that there is not reason to try to save a crap-machine...
Outstanding research and composition - definitely masters thesis level work. Presentation far exceeds the norm and entertainment level is wonderful. One of the best historical channels on the planet.
What a bittersweet Christmas gift Perun! Thanks a lot from India.
Perun,
I truly appreciate what had to be an enormously heavy lift in producing this video. I throughly enjoyed your comprehensive analysis, which sheds light on the complex global security picture. Happy Holidays and healthy 2024!
Sincerely,
David
I love how much fun you have cheffing comparative analysis into a comprehensible dish, served up with sides of ambitious and savage asides, with an aperitif of sober reminders. It's masterful. And the slideshow background keeps the info from becoming just entertaining. It's like you made a plan in full sentences, then executed it. What a refreshing notmadlad you are.
This was fantastic. I knew so little about this nation's military situation. Thank you for your hard work. The results clearly shine threw. Have a wonderful Holiday. Have fun and get some rest. See you next year!
Wish you a happy holiday season. I really appreciate the weekly insight in complex subjects with as less bias as humanly possible. Thank you very much for all the work you're putting into this!
Ayyyyyy that's my country, lessgo!
Happy holidays, Perun
Holy cow what a wonderful, informative, unbiased, entertaining and enjoyable video. Perun, your videos keep getting better and better. I look forward to each and every one. Thank you for the knowledge and the humor. You are aces!
Spent 5 years in India, working,living enjoying the country isn’t one you can compare with anyone else.
Complicated, yes but the potential is well outlined in your vid.
Most valuable in my view; the largest (by population)true democracy in the world, for decades!
That deserves a massive hats off,India 🇮🇳
Its not a true democracy, read reporters without borders they jail their journalists.
India is also one of the weakest democraties in the world, and its getting worse not better.
Thanks dear for this lovely comment 😃🫶🏻🇮🇳👍🏻
True demogracy, sure buddy rofl
If they only knew how to use toilets..
Thanks Perun for your content over the last year and I very much look forward to watching much more in the year to come. As a 30+ year veteran of the events industry, I can honestly say that I have never looked forward to seeing a PPT until I started watching your content. A Merry Christmas and a safe, prosperous New Year to you and yours.
India’s relationships with the West and Russia reminds me of how Turkey (Türkiye) balances its relationships. How both are not on anyone’s side but their own
Turkey is a NATO member. Meaning they are obligated to fight in a war when called upon. That is a pretty significant decision to outsource to other foreign powers. And any nation that does that can't claim to be nearly in the same league as India. Indian diplomacy is a whole another level.
@@death_parade true they’re not neutral in exactly the same way. India is more non-aligned, but Turkey is shockingly non-aligned compared to other NATO countries
@@Loooam Turkey in being NATO member (which is a direct military alliance geared towards strategic military posture against Russia) yet strategically coordinating with Russia on defense including acquiring Russian weapons positions itself as a betrayor with depraved expansionist agenda and considers these shifts of allegiances and vacillations to be in accordance with their perceived lessons of historical Hudaifa agreement of Islam that focuses on playing great powers, distracting from its own strategic expansionist agenda, making small concessions from a position of strength after tough negotiations and asking for ransoms using blackmail as tool of extortion holding hostage of certain evolved situations and portraying those as friendly/neutral gestures and winning tiny strategic battles this way till a tipping point is reached. Turkey is an islamist wannabe great power that is antagonistic towards judeo-christian religio-cultural values and free, democratic and tolerant modernday european culture and Turkey wants to sabotage Europe by getting inside it, a)through insidious demographic alterations b) by getting included into the EU. Turkey is anti western small time concubine that doubles up as bedroom conspirator of rival ganglords.
India' has not been in any military alliance wither Russia or the west. India's foreign policy approaches are holistic, geared towards protecting its own territorial integrity and sovereignty, follows a policy of nonintervention regarding domestic affairs of other sovereign countries so long as those affairs do not impinge upon India's core strategic interests (that of its territorial integrity and sovereignty). India is no more a reluctant nonaligned regional power; it has always been nonwestern (but not anti western) and now a multialigned emerging world power that seeks strategic partnerships where strategic interests align (example vis a vis military expansionism of the CCP regime). India is that office colleague that will drink tea with you at the cafe but will always be generous enough to knock on your door for a chat in your drawing room, forget about bedroom conspiracies. Unlike Turkey which has been following a miscarried identity of great power, India never had dilemma about it being a great power; it used to be reluctant and less expressive in past but that increasingly looks no more to be the case. Unlike Turkey which is complicit in arson and then pretends to a firefighter, India is a pacifist power. India also has a chequered colonial and islamic conquest history thrust upon it, that of its people being culturally subjugated and financially exploited, to deal with as a continuous indigenous civilisation whilst the Turkish deep state in its psyche and worldview keeps ruminating nostalgically about its outward colinial invasions, conquests and expansions.
Two very different countries.
FINALLY!!!! HAPPY CHRISTMAS, PERUN!! AND THANK YOU SO MUCH!!
You are doing a fantastic job, was hoping for a brief on India. Finally its here 😊 Merry Christmas
22:30 - "Sometimes nothing projects friendship and good will like a carrier air wing" - lol
Merry Christmas and happy New Year, Perun! That said, Tex is a man of many talents and immense Battletech Lore.
Thank you for the unparalleled analysis. You have quickly become one of my favourite RUclips channels. Merry Christmas, and all the best in the New Year.
Thanks for the video, I look forward every week to sit down and watch PowerPoint slides. I know it's crazy but I do enjoy them. Keep up the good work @Perun and Happy New Year down under from the UK.
A day early present? Thanks Perun. And Merry Christmas 🎉
I mean tomorrow is Christmas eve.
Merry christmas and a happy new year! I think you nailed the "Fair and balanced perspective on India's military," angle.
Merry Christmas Perun! Thank you for everything once again during this long and exceedingly turbulent year
As someone who used to work as a software developer, I have sympathy for those who tried to build weapons domestically for India. Their Ministry of Defense seems to be an irritating customer, always coming with unrealistic demands and ever-changing requirements.
Is it unrealistic? Those are the things current gen hardware do.
@@lolasdm6959everything has a cost in it, cant come under a certain budget
That's why, the jokes about indian domestic weapons have to pass through lunar trials, deep sea trials, Mars trials before getting inducted in ,
@@benudharmadhi4154 No the military requests for a hardware that is up to current gen standards. The requirements are easily passed by even last gen Russian hardware.
India can't make it, simple as that. R&D makes something that is super heavy, mixed and match of incompatible components, and somehow more expensive than American weapons.
@@lolasdm6959 have you seen the requirements for NGMBT?
1:08:26 Love the succinct apologetics for your interest in procurement economics. The war in Ukraine, along with your channel, have given me a great appreciation of this area.
As a citizen i can confirm that you provided with the most accurate as well as neutral perspective, observation and facts of Indian defence economy...well researched work brother 🎉😊
Wow, a Tex/Perun crossover was not one I was expecting (except maybe as an april fools video on battlemech development and procurement.) it's funny how creators on youtube can sometimes connect.
Battlemech development will be a collab on Japanese procurement policy in 2050.
I won't mind an Indian small arms powerpoint by those two.
@@idioluh5838, think we can get Ian McCollum to drop in too? And then Mike Easton can swoop in with an armful of Indian swords?
The algorithm scares me sometimes
Honestly I'd love to see a Perun/Tex parody collaboration going over Star League procurement procedures. That would be so lit.
There's one aspect that needs to be covered that hasn't been covered. Corruption. Indian defense procurement of the past have been beset with corruption scandals.
At 12:25, you said that China is India's most significant trading partner. Which has been true in previous years, but recently the United States has become India's largest trading partner.
China and USA fulfill different needs of India. None are replaceable.
Hell Yeah,Go USA💪
China is still 2nd largest trading partner so that still doesnt disprove the fact that its one of the most important trading partner of india
Some of the stats are pretty much old and underestimated the capabilities and range of missiles
New Perun video? Yay! Happy holidays to you!
Oh finally! Been waiting for this one. Thanks Perun
"This is a really informative and detailed video about the Indian military. I appreciate the balanced approach, discussing both the strengths and weaknesses. It's important to understand the potential and the challenges the military faces. Great job on this analysis!"
For those who freak out about nuclear powers fighting each other, allow me to introduce you to India and Pakistan
These countries make North Korea + PRChina and the US look sane...
India won't be starting a nuclear war and we have the past four wars to back that up. Those wars were started by pakistan with the backing of so called world's biggest democracy USA and world's biggest communist country china. USA was supporting military rulers and terrorists of pakistan against india for such a long time and they called themselves supporter of democracy . Lol. That's the biggest lie. USA have no allies or friends USA just have interests . USA would burn even it's own neighbourhood like in Latin America for its interests . Secondly USA have an active agreement with pakistan according to which USA gives pakistan money and help it to maintain its nuclear weapons and keep an eye on what it's doing with nuclear weapons. In case of terrorists doing what they did in afganistan like taking control of pakistan . In that situation USA will take control of pakistan nuclear weapons before pakistan falls. Unless a USA leader or pakistan military had lost their minds ,we won't be having nuclear war between india and pakistan .
I look forward to your videos each weekend and appreciate how much effort goes into each one. Have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, you deserve it! Bob
Thanks Mate, long awaited and you did not disappoint...
How not to watch? You keep making bangers about serious topics, always with good research and a good deal of caring to reflect the truth plus admit when research in the openly discussed parts of the weekly topic only can get you so far. Really, great video as always. Hope you & family & colleagues have a fantastic 2024 . Greetings from BCN.
This was really interesting. Thank you for the effort.
The inefficiency of the crazy requirements was very eye opening. It seems that India would be much further along if they had aimed for long term small improvements.
Wow that was a lot of information, your work really paid off as it was very easy to understand. Thanks for sharing and Happy Christmas. Charles
Amazing video as always! Thank you and everyone who worked on this video for all the hard work!
The best analysis... detailed, balanced, and deeply researched... on the subject that I have come across.
Thank you, Perun.
Forwarded to about 250 others...
Please accept that as a compliment and a thanks.
Btw... this is the ONLY channel that i have subscribed... ever 😊
Thank you for your amazing ability to narrate and make incredibly boring subjects interesting, understandable and completely irresistible to listen to and learn more about.
Wishing you a wonderful Christmas and Happy New Year!
That was, and by far, the best analysis I have seen about India's capabilities. Great job Perun! I have watched some your previous materials, but now I'm compelled to binge-watch the rest. Kudos!
i don't know how you do all of this research and then come on and at the fastest words per minute....you progress to give a one hour+ fact filled, highly entertaining, and overall attention keeping presentation.....THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU DO....wishing you all a merry berry xmas and new year.
Professor Tex is really giving out the Christmas gifts generously this year. Hail Cargonia!!!!!
Thanks for a year's worth of excellent content. You help me understand what's happening out there - which is saying a lot in a world full of bs and disinformation. I wish you some great holidays with the people you love, and I'm sure do love you.
Thank you for another informative and interesting briefing! Merry Christmas Perun!
Long awaited, I literally jumped off my sofa seeing the notification. Thank you Perun!!
This is a gold treasure. As an indian I can agree with most of your findings. Keep up the good work.
Nothing makes my morning like waking up and enjoying my coffee while watching a new Perun power point! Thank you for all of your hard work and research you put into these videos! Never thought watching a power point on defense strategies and procurement data would be part of my morning routine... but here we are!😂
Wonderful content on stuff generally under reported. You have one very enthusiastic vote for the mentioned possible follow on presentation. Thanks as always.
Well done, as always! Happy Holidays and the best in the New Year!
Your dedication to thorough research is greatly appreciated. Democracy is founded on expertise, and expertise is founded on education. Thank you for educating yourself and then us.
finally some content on my country, thank you mate.
This was a fascinating video, thanks! And a merry Xmas!
Again brilliant presentation providing tons of valuable information. Many thx for it, and a happy christmas to you Perun, and ofc to all viewers aswell!
About the propensity of the MiG-21 to crash, it is by design. It has blown flaps, that means the lift is dependent on the engine power. Any fluctuation, birdstrike, turbulence strong enough to upset the engine and you stall. Then there's the unreliability inherent to the engines, originally developed as a single use drone powerplant, then made to work more than once, mostly.
Also, the airframes are positively ANCIENT by this time... it is embarrassing that we are flying those things in 2023
@@SounakDas-zb3xc I suspect it’s the physical frailty of the airframes that are the major issue at this point. A jet fighter airframe is subject to incredible stresses, and its lifetime is measured in thousands of hours. India is flying those MiGs well past the point of safety. If you x-rayed the frames, I bet they’re riddled with all sorts of internal stress fractures, and if you showed those x-rays to the pilots, they’d refuse to fly. You can upgrade an aircraft all you want with the latest technological wonders, but that won’t stop planes from falling apart.
Interesting... Does the mig23/27 family have somewhat similar engine problems?? I may be wrong, but I have read somewhere about the gases from the main gun entering the intake and putting the engine out of action.
@@MarcosElMalo2 I dont think it has to do with its inherent design. For example Croatia until recently used Mig-21s and had absolutely no problems with the durability of the airframe , the only thing thats changed are the radar systems which croatia acquired from israel. So why india struggles with them yet croatia a country fraction of the size of anchural pradesh doesnt?
@@u2beuser714when was croatia ever in a major war or armed conflict. Croatia and India are incomparable the duties of India MiGs is way wider than croatias+ India also unlike Croatia isn't In a security bloc so it has more regular patrols anda higher readiness than Croatia those can be the reason for more frequent collapse in Indian MiGs and also that India has a very wide range of geography and temperature those stresses also build up
Perun blesses us with an early upload.
Thanks for the new years gift Perun. Happy Holidays.
Dude, I really appreciate the content of your videos but it's the humor that keeps me here. I'm going to watch every video you've got.
I love how arguably the most controversial thing in this video is saying its called Soccer 🤣
That's just short for "association football".
Very interesting, I would love to watch more videos on the Indian military like this one. I think you could make videos on just the Air Force and Naval components alone as they seem to be on opposite ends of the procurement dysfunction spectrum.
Fantastic video. The only reason I clicked on this 'not interested' topic was PERUN, and you had me hooked. Damn you are good.
Once again a fantastic release. Christmas came a couple days early. Thank you.