This is most definitely not grindcore, not even elements of it. I never understood how bands used to say they were associated with that genre when they sounded nothing like it. Compare their demo with, say, Napalm Death or old Carcass. People constantly use the term grindcore incorrectly, and it's a bit ignorant.
@@diabeticmonkey I’m just going off of how their sound was labeled. I agree that this doesn’t sound like grindcore, maybe deathcore with grind elements. But definitely not grindcore.
I grew up in Corpus Christi, tx. Fun fact I would see Julian ibanez working at hot topic in the mall, and most of the band just lurking the mall every weekend lol.
Jesus Christ seeing this recommended to me brings me back to "myspace era" RUclips. I still remember perfectly the amount of videos on these guys that the internet was ripping them apart weekly it felt like for a year.
I think it was more so their image than anything else. The track by track the vocalists did didnt help because it was clear that they were "pretentious" ( I really hate that word but I cant qualify this in any other way). From a personal stand point, the more abstract parts of their music felt incredibly tacked on. Like they wanted so badly to set themselves apart that they completely forgot to make a cohesive song. All that being said I do think the hate was overblown. Even on my end as an edgy teen at the time. They wanted to carve a space for themselves in a scene that honestly was / is incredibly bloated. I do believe that if they stuck to it they could have found their footing.
Honestly Extra-Large Kids Kind of a good name The reasoning behind it sucks and totally destroys it, but if it was just "yeah, we're Extra Large Kids... Thats it." Good name.
It would be cool if all the members were proudly overweight and self-conscious about it with the band name, as with the 80s UK classic rock band Mammoth.
As a metalhead coming from the world of Mayhem and Slayer, I’ve always wondered why the same people who listened to FIR/ADTR/BMTH hated this band. They were kinda better
It also didn't help they were promoted on victory records because it was originally more a hardcore album before jumping on metalcore/post-hardcore train. Lol
Great video! I wished that you could've gotten into some of the splinter bands that formed when Design the Skyline broke up like Lucid Haven and Sleepless in December.
I loved Neveah i bought the t shirt and cd bundle as soon as the album came out. My favorite track was called Under the blood driven moon. Im surprised it wasnt mentioned here for how heavy it was
i remember back in high school, i was getting laughed at because i was showing my friends group my discovery (which is the Surrounded by Silence music video lmao) i thought the music video was cool, heck it still is:D keep in mind that im not from the state, im from Indonesia and so even a third world country plebeians rejected that masterpiece and that says a lot lol but im still messing with the band tbh, good video my man, keep up the great work~
It really is that bad. The video was cringe, and is still horribly embarrassing. There were so many better bands that deserved to be signed to Victory, and I think that fueled a lot of the hate.
This band was just kinda ahead of their time. Surrounded by silence sounded super experimental and they sounded like nothing similar to a lot of the other bands in their genre. I heard elements of math rock, technical deathcore, metalcore, post hardcore, even hints of black metal all into one track. Sounded like they were taking the coolest elements of all those genres and putting them together I will stand by this, design the skyline is way more enjoyable to me than sleep token is
They're not that bad and that first album they put out under their other name was pretty hardcore, I liked it. I think it's their looks they got them all their hate. I probably wouldn't have bought their album if I saw them first but I definitely wouldn't shut it off if I heard it playing. Your assessment at the end is pretty fair in the way I see it as well they were young people didn't like what they look like and like with all music people are big gatekeepers.
I played a few shows with them. They were really nice dudes nothing offensive or wrong with them. They sounded good live and some tracks on the cds were pretty good. People were unnecessarily mean to them alot of it was they looked scene. They really did want to be rockstars they were pumped to play.
@@EternallyUncoolTrevorglad to see someone finally make one of these videos. I've waited years for the guys to finally get some justice. Lol love the guys. Was a pleasure watching these KIDS chase the dream. People were too quick to hate on their look and forget that fact that these were teens doing it on their own. Even after victory screwed em.... online...everyone talked shit and hated in them but at EVERY SHOW it was the exact same thing ... "Oh wow! Y'all are cool asf! you fukn killed it! Fuck the internet!" The only people who really hated on the band were the guys who were pissed because their girlfriends had pics of Eric or Julian in their folders .etc. 😂😂😂 And for the record .....After all the threats and ""we're gonna jump you" bullshit...NOBODY ever tried or actually gave them any crap in "the real world." Just toured and made fans/friends. Bands that toured with them loved em and gave nothing but support. ❤️ I prob got the best thing out of the creation of the band..... Great tour memories, got to watch young kids create,chase and achieve their dreams(and unfortunately fail) and most important.....Martian GRANDSONS!!!! ❤❤❤ 🤘
What always struck me about the song is that each part by itself is totally fine but they seem a bit thrown together. Like "here's a heavy part - now we need an electronic dance part". The same can be said for some Attack Attack! songs or even more underground stuff like The Number Twelve Looks Like You, iwrestledabearonce or Arsonists Get All the Girls (all of which are much more respected). Tbh I think it's just difficult to mix metalcore/deathcore with pop and make it sound natural and DTS were just kids trying stuff out. Do I like it? Not particularly. Are they the worst scene band ever? Definitely not.
I thought we were all in agreement that Blood on the Dancefloor is the worst band ever...? Also, when did we start letting up on Nickelback? I never agreed to that. This is why I'm supposed to be at the meetings for this shit.
@@brandonwenzel2844 BOTDF is the worst, but no one took them seriously enough to defend in the first place. And Nickelback has some good songs, I’m done pretending they don’t 😂
They weren't that bad lol i mean by 2011 we already saw iwabo dr.acula and all that kinda shit. design was just having fun and they have some cool riffs
There stuff is definitely not grindcore, their early demo is definitely deathcore through and through more akin to red chord, I declare war, early job for a cowboy and suicide silence while the stuff that came later being metalcore through and through. It definitely is more akin to stuff attack attack!, I see stars, abandon all ships and bunny and the bear. Real grindcore would be stuff like early carcass, napalm death, terrorizer, repulsion with the more old school besides that their is goregrind like gutalax, haemorrhage, last days of humanity and brutal sphincter as well as deathgrind like benigthed, cephalic carnage just to name some of them and cornogrind like chicken and ball torture and alien f***er just to name some
@@AidanMartin yeah, I was mainly going off of how other publications labeled them. I honestly see them more as early BMTH style metalcore with some deathcore influence. They definitely verge heavily into scene, but the heavier side of scene music.
I don't know man surrounded by silence fucking sucks. To me what makes a song bad is if the music sucks. You refer to the video, lack of offensivness and such but lets be fair the song is a mess. They have other songs that are better and have cool parts but this one really is bad.
@@nikolakrastev8880 yeah the song is pretty mid, but not the worst I’ve heard. They definitely have better songs, like I personally prefer Break Free from Your Life. But to be fair it was a demo, so the messiness is to be expected
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Fun Fact: Sargent D is now-disgraced RUclipsr Finn Mckenty.
On a more positive note, glad to see someone defend this band.
@@InkAndPoet haha yeah I was gonna throw some shade Finn’s way but I wanted to keep things positive lol
I was about to say lol
Fun-er fact: he got that name from the 80’s thrash band S.O.D.
@ I still think it’s hilarious he said he’s not into music with little factoids like that out there lol
@@InkAndPoet oh I forgot that makes it so much worse
This is most definitely not grindcore, not even elements of it. I never understood how bands used to say they were associated with that genre when they sounded nothing like it. Compare their demo with, say, Napalm Death or old Carcass. People constantly use the term grindcore incorrectly, and it's a bit ignorant.
@@diabeticmonkey I’m just going off of how their sound was labeled. I agree that this doesn’t sound like grindcore, maybe deathcore with grind elements. But definitely not grindcore.
@ Metalcore with spazz elements? Mathcore? Those are probably closer.
@ oh yeah definitely some mathcore in their sound
@@EternallyUncoolTrevorNot even close to grind. Go listen to Napalm Death, old Carcass or,hell, try some Repulsion on for size.
@ will do
I'd rather listen to any "scene" band over any crunkcore band. Brokencyde is from my state, and I have to say I'm ashamed of that fact
tragic
@@hxcnoel oof
Brokencyde is sick in 2025
@ they were never really my thing, but I also think they got more hate than they deserved
Lmao Brokencyde were
1. A scene band
2. Actually great if you don't take them seriously
I grew up in Corpus Christi, tx. Fun fact I would see Julian ibanez working at hot topic in the mall, and most of the band just lurking the mall every weekend lol.
Thats kinda awesome haha
Mall lurking with their spiked Mtn Dews and turbo vape pens. Haha
Jesus Christ seeing this recommended to me brings me back to "myspace era" RUclips.
I still remember perfectly the amount of videos on these guys that the internet was ripping them apart weekly it felt like for a year.
Love yr videos Wyatt !. Such a great channel.
I think it was more so their image than anything else. The track by track the vocalists did didnt help because it was clear that they were "pretentious" ( I really hate that word but I cant qualify this in any other way). From a personal stand point, the more abstract parts of their music felt incredibly tacked on. Like they wanted so badly to set themselves apart that they completely forgot to make a cohesive song. All that being said I do think the hate was overblown. Even on my end as an edgy teen at the time. They wanted to carve a space for themselves in a scene that honestly was / is incredibly bloated. I do believe that if they stuck to it they could have found their footing.
@@roadrunneruntd I get what you’re saying. The more artsy stuff they did was kinda meh. But the heavier parts were good
Man Victory Records were putting out some interesting stuff back then 😂
I need to do a video on Victory lol there's some very interesting history there
@ I’ll sub for that boss! Would love some more info on their A&R team from that era 😂
@ there’s enough to make a vid on Tony Brummel himself lol
IM THROUGH WITH STANDING IN LINE TO CLUBS ILL NEVER GET IN
@@wobbolt2729 AT THE BOTTOM OF THE NINTH AND IM NEVER GONNA WIN
Honestly
Extra-Large Kids
Kind of a good name
The reasoning behind it sucks and totally destroys it, but if it was just "yeah, we're Extra Large Kids... Thats it."
Good name.
I'm sure the meaning was also kinda tongue in cheek, to be fair
It would be cool if all the members were proudly overweight and self-conscious about it with the band name, as with the 80s UK classic rock band Mammoth.
As a metalhead coming from the world of Mayhem and Slayer, I’ve always wondered why the same people who listened to FIR/ADTR/BMTH hated this band. They were kinda better
@@themelancholicpaganmusicco2980 I know right?
Came here to say this, I enjoyed this band more than those others you listed
It also didn't help they were promoted on victory records because it was originally more a hardcore album before jumping on metalcore/post-hardcore train. Lol
@@Red1676 Victory is its own can of worms lol
I remember BlueMagus talking about these guys back in like 2011 and I told everyone I hated it but secretly downloaded it on limewire
@@CRlSlSACTOR haha we’ve all been there
Great video! I wished that you could've gotten into some of the splinter bands that formed when Design the Skyline broke up like Lucid Haven and Sleepless in December.
@@xXDemonHeartZXx I couldn’t find much usable info on them
I loved Neveah i bought the t shirt and cd bundle as soon as the album came out. My favorite track was called Under the blood driven moon. Im surprised it wasnt mentioned here for how heavy it was
i remember back in high school, i was getting laughed at because i was showing my friends group my discovery (which is the Surrounded by Silence music video lmao) i thought the music video was cool, heck it still is:D
keep in mind that im not from the state, im from Indonesia and so even a third world country plebeians rejected that masterpiece and that says a lot lol
but im still messing with the band tbh, good video my man, keep up the great work~
@@aidgang I’m honestly impressed they reached Indonesia, ngl
It really is that bad. The video was cringe, and is still horribly embarrassing. There were so many better bands that deserved to be signed to Victory, and I think that fueled a lot of the hate.
@@Mark-kt1vm true, there were better bands. But I think Victory saw the attention the video and song were getting and saw an opportunity
I think if they reformed now they'd get a much better reception than they ever got then. Emo and Scene is back and really popular again.
@@noelwhite6650 oh for sure, even if it was just purely out of nostalgia they’d get so much more attention
Hey! "I want to be Neenja" is a modern classic! lol
@@masterofreality230 😂😂😂
It's ironic to have Sargeant D commenting something like that... oh sorry, Finn Mckenty lmao
This band was just kinda ahead of their time. Surrounded by silence sounded super experimental and they sounded like nothing similar to a lot of the other bands in their genre. I heard elements of math rock, technical deathcore, metalcore, post hardcore, even hints of black metal all into one track. Sounded like they were taking the coolest elements of all those genres and putting them together
I will stand by this, design the skyline is way more enjoyable to me than sleep token is
@@Joeyd1184 I kind of agree lol Sleep Token is okay but overhyped
They're not that bad and that first album they put out under their other name was pretty hardcore, I liked it. I think it's their looks they got them all their hate. I probably wouldn't have bought their album if I saw them first but I definitely wouldn't shut it off if I heard it playing. Your assessment at the end is pretty fair in the way I see it as well they were young people didn't like what they look like and like with all music people are big gatekeepers.
Loved Design the Skyline, but I just loved bands with scream vocals, and a breakdown. Still listen to this stuff today.
@@LadyLunaQueenofDarkness same here haha
Naveah was a solid album front to back!
I played a few shows with them. They were really nice dudes nothing offensive or wrong with them. They sounded good live and some tracks on the cds were pretty good. People were unnecessarily mean to them alot of it was they looked scene. They really did want to be rockstars they were pumped to play.
I think I played a date on that Dr. Acula tour.
@ glad to hear they were nice dudes. And honestly, who doesn't wanna be rock star? I wanna be rock star and I can't play an instrument for s*** lol
@@EternallyUncoolTrevorglad to see someone finally make one of these videos. I've waited years for the guys to finally get some justice. Lol love the guys. Was a pleasure watching these KIDS chase the dream. People were too quick to hate on their look and forget that fact that these were teens doing it on their own. Even after victory screwed em....
online...everyone talked shit and hated in them but at EVERY SHOW it was the exact same thing ... "Oh wow! Y'all are cool asf! you fukn killed it! Fuck the internet!" The only people who really hated on the band were the guys who were pissed because their girlfriends had pics of Eric or Julian in their folders .etc. 😂😂😂 And for the record .....After all the threats and ""we're gonna jump you" bullshit...NOBODY ever tried or actually gave them any crap in "the real world." Just toured and made fans/friends. Bands that toured with them loved em and gave nothing but support. ❤️
I prob got the best thing out of the creation of the band..... Great tour memories, got to watch young kids create,chase and achieve their dreams(and unfortunately fail) and most important.....Martian GRANDSONS!!!! ❤❤❤ 🤘
What always struck me about the song is that each part by itself is totally fine but they seem a bit thrown together. Like "here's a heavy part - now we need an electronic dance part". The same can be said for some Attack Attack! songs or even more underground stuff like The Number Twelve Looks Like You, iwrestledabearonce or Arsonists Get All the Girls (all of which are much more respected). Tbh I think it's just difficult to mix metalcore/deathcore with pop and make it sound natural and DTS were just kids trying stuff out. Do I like it? Not particularly. Are they the worst scene band ever? Definitely not.
@@AlbertSirup to be fair it was a demo
They are nowhere near the worst. I got their album when it was new and still turn it on now and again.
Deathgaze and the unreleased song sound the alarm are bangers I wish they kept going
I thought we were all in agreement that Blood on the Dancefloor is the worst band ever...? Also, when did we start letting up on Nickelback? I never agreed to that. This is why I'm supposed to be at the meetings for this shit.
@@brandonwenzel2844 BOTDF is the worst, but no one took them seriously enough to defend in the first place. And Nickelback has some good songs, I’m done pretending they don’t 😂
Can you make a video relating to The Szuters or Zebrahead?
They're so unrecognized but absolutely great
@WeAreTheEggmen22 maybe Zebrahead, but idk the other band haha
I hate when that dude touches his lips in the music video. And the chopped screams. Man I hate them. Good job on this video though. 👍
@@vinceandcassie yeah that rubbed me the wrong way too 😂 Thanks!
They should have called themselves "City Planners"
RIP David Lynch
@@CØFFĮN_ÐĘLĮVĘRY 🙏🏻
They weren't that bad lol i mean by 2011 we already saw iwabo dr.acula and all that kinda shit. design was just having fun and they have some cool riffs
The promise ring poster!
@@ionaskye you’re the first person who noticed! Everyone always comments on the Glass Beach poster lol
I don't think they were ever on my radar
I remember liking the song up until the chorus xD
@@Vistra_Beatz yeah could’ve used some work lol
Softest gRiNdCoRe I've ever heard hahahahhaha
@@noxfun534 you’re not wrong. It really is more electronicore, maybe even crabcore
I saw them live at local show in my area
There stuff is definitely not grindcore, their early demo is definitely deathcore through and through more akin to red chord, I declare war, early job for a cowboy and suicide silence while the stuff that came later being metalcore through and through. It definitely is more akin to stuff attack attack!, I see stars, abandon all ships and bunny and the bear. Real grindcore would be stuff like early carcass, napalm death, terrorizer, repulsion with the more old school besides that their is goregrind like gutalax, haemorrhage, last days of humanity and brutal sphincter as well as deathgrind like benigthed, cephalic carnage just to name some of them and cornogrind like chicken and ball torture and alien f***er just to name some
@@AidanMartin yeah, I was mainly going off of how other publications labeled them. I honestly see them more as early BMTH style metalcore with some deathcore influence. They definitely verge heavily into scene, but the heavier side of scene music.
@@AidanMartin my nephew always shows me real grindcore so I know these guys are VERY not grind lol maybe a Hot Topic version of grindcore
funnily, their earlier stuff were much much more original and better.
@@theindiegamealchemist yeah I agree, I liked Galactical Celebration a lot. I will say Break Free from Your Life is probably their best song, though
Disagree. All of this sucks
@@ryanenis5750 fair. Not everyone is gonna like this, and I get it. Is it the best of their genre? Hell no. But I’ve heard much worse
BVB is kinda cringe
very interesting
I don't know man surrounded by silence fucking sucks. To me what makes a song bad is if the music sucks. You refer to the video, lack of offensivness and such but lets be fair the song is a mess. They have other songs that are better and have cool parts but this one really is bad.
@@nikolakrastev8880 yeah the song is pretty mid, but not the worst I’ve heard. They definitely have better songs, like I personally prefer Break Free from Your Life. But to be fair it was a demo, so the messiness is to be expected
Design the skyline sounds kinda like electronicore
@@mattdeinken6580 definitely more that than grindcore
@EternallyUncoolTrevor I think that grindcore sound you hear is electronic sounds then grindcore type sound
@ yeah, plus you can hear the grind influence in how they play. But it’s not grind
Yeah all the songs you named were nightmarish including the subject of the video kmao
@@CVLTIST-oq3dx fair. They’re not great, but imo not the worst I’ve heard. But we all have different tastes.
@ what’s worse…
God damn I used to love this band lmao
@@VIIZZZYY yo! I’m subscribed to you!
@@EternallyUncoolTrevor thanks brother! means alot
middle school and hs? talk about stagnation lol
MetalSucks sucks
@@neolbioldey agreed
...yeah, none of this shit is redeemable. i still hate all of it.
@@0svvan0 fair enough
back in the day i refused to share this video because i saw what happened with Rebecca Black 🤣
@ oh no not Rebecca Black 😂
@ 2:58
I swear i truly do not like this and i wish my hateful tinnitus and hearing loss would grow even more intolerable.
Yes....that bad.
@@dprob1985 fair.
@EternallyUncoolTrevor 🤷♂️
Limp Bizkit Still Suck!!!
@@IanIsrael blasphemy lol they have some solid tunes
It kinda just sounds like all the other scene bands if they couldn’t play their instruments