BUSTING RETINOL SKIN MYTHS WITH DR DES FERNANDES - NADINE BAGGOTT
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2018
- DR DES FERNANDES is the founder and creator of Environ Skincare a company that started the conversation about retinoids and vitamin A in skincare decades ago. This is part one of a fun Driving With Des video shoot that I did for him because I truly believe him to be a great skincare pioneer and expert whose advice I have followed for twenty years now. Watch and see what he has to say because his advice has not only stood me in good stead but has not changed in the twenty years that I have known him. I was not paid for this - and his advice can be applied to other skincare ranges - so feel free to watch, listen and learn. If you are serious about skincare he is well worth a listen.
And part two is coming soon.
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The lighting in this video really shows how beautiful Nadines skin is.
Agreed, she looks absolutely stunning
I agree!
I agree. She looks lovely x
It's low-quality camera + intentional blur.
Excellent, informative video. Nadine your channel is quickly becoming my favourite for all things beauty. Love the honesty and your style Xx
Nadine, great interview. Really enjoy hearing this information from Dr. Des Fernandes. It answered many questions I had.
Wow! I think this is the most informative video I have seen in a very long time. I loved there was no “brand” endorsement. Just science and ingredients that actually work. Looking forward to Part 2.
This is a terrific segment on your channel, Nadine! Very helpful information. Thank you so much!
PJ Swan yes it was interesting but found the information confusing
Mandy Lily Me too
Oh Nadine.
This is a wonderful video.
I knew you admired Dr Des for a long time, as do I.
I had not seen him for for some time.
Thank you for bringing him to the fore.
Kind regards
Kate
Good lord Nadine you look absolutely beautiful in this film ! Skin, hair , makeup, nails, neck , accessories, clothing, just gorgeous!
I love this man he’s the bomb 👍
Dr. Fernandes has a wonderful, understandable way of explaining what ingredients are effective for and how they work! Thank you Dr. Fernandes for educating me!
Thanks Nadine! Can't wait for part 2. Great info.
Thank you Nadine for always bringing your (vitamin) A game to your channel. So much good stuff. I always learn so much! 😍✨
I just love Des Fernandes, he will always be my hero. Very interesting to hear what he had to say about spf's. I truly hang onto every word he says, just look at him at 76yr and his micro needling. My little "rollcit" is always used, now I'm looking for professional micro needling here in Dorchester, Dorset. Des has always been ahead of his time. My first Environ product bought at my little beautician's in Bedfordview, SA that my tube of Environ was for face, decollotage and eyes, just fabulous! Great videos Baggors, he is an absolute wonder. xx
Very interesting Nadine; I appreciate listening to someone of his caliber who is not singing the usual party line. I didn't know about his product line but knew of him from researching micro-needling. Looking forward to Part 2 and hoping it's even longer as he's so interesting!
This was an incredible treasure trove of information about protecting one's skin from the sun, fighting spots and the importance of Vitamin A. Bravo for sniffing out the best sources.
What an interesting video, looking forward to part 2.
Nadine's skin in this video! Please give us a step by step on what you did to your skin before filming this. You look 20s younger and glowing.
Too kind but you know me - lots and lots of serums, my daily mineral only sf and retinol at nights ... no fragrance and avoid lying in the sun ... X BTW that base is the brilliant IT Cosmetics CC Cream SPF50 (which is my go to spf every day) X
Hi Nadine. Really enjoyed this. Would you please follow this up with some recommended products?
Yes I would love that also !
Yes please!
Yes please
Me too
Too bad for the bad quality and Nadine not letting him speak...gutted
Thank you for this. Very informative. I love listening to the scientific explanations behind skin care.
I love this video. I watch it and continue to watch it regularly. To date this is one of your most informative videos made. Great job Nadine!! Please keep video/ interviews like this coming. I am an esthetician and this video is so on point 👌 🥰🥰🥰😘😘😘
Oh, this is so interesting! Thank you Nadine!
Nadine, I want whatever you are using because your hair and makeup are beautiful in this video, but my goodness, your skin just glows!
Great video! Environ is a great range. Great to hear from the brains behind it!
Great information Nadine! Thank you for this video, oxox
Fantastic interview, Nadine. And I would love a follow up on the antioxidant/low SPF regime.
Just wonderful Nadine...looking forward to part two....xoxo
So looking forward to part two.❤️
Wow...what a great video. Love Dr Des! Xoxo
What a fabulous talk. I just ordered antioxidants for my vacation and I'm determined to go back to Retin A or other Vitamin A as soon as possible...Now we have to get T-shirts for you as well 😉
What a thought provoking video! Now there are questions swimming in my head.... like how do I find out what kind of Sun rays I have, how to decide dosage of Vit. A and for consumption of Vit. A how much... can't wait for part 2.
Such an interesting video! Thank you! Never used their products but interesting nevertheless. Love such a casual environment as the car and not an office! And yes, as others said you are absolutely gorgeous!
Nadine we need a follow up with this man, amazing video 👏🏻💙
How adorable is he? I learned so much here!
So informative. Thank you Nadine!
Love Dr Des met him recently at one of his seminars, lovely guy very informative and honest. Environ is one of the best product ranges I’ve ever worked with!
Very, very informative and the oral vitamin A advice. I had always been advised against taking a lot of A because the way it remains in the body. Well, duh! Why did I not think of this!
Please do a video going into detail explaining the difference between UVA and UVB and also what to use to protect from both. It's always confused me.
They are different forms of UV radiation (different wave lengths), A are short wave lengths and contribute to aging and B are long waves that contribute to burning. Both contribute to skin cancers and I think his advice that UVB protection is not needed incredibly concerning and potentially dangerous. Yes SPF with UVB protection won't protect against aging, but hey if you are dead from skin cancer you don't need to worry about aging.
vickytime always use UVA/UVB SPF 30 and reapply every 4 hours. I use SPF50 but live in Australia and wear it all year. This Dr is a disgrace I’m shocked Nadine did this. Here’s some NHS guidelines for you
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@@anthecrawford3957 @reformschoolgirl If you listen to what Dr Fernandes was saying he said that AT THAT TIME OF YEAR (ie Winter) in Cape Town there was essentially zero UVB because at that latitude in winter the sun is so low in the sky that all the UVB is absorbed by the greater amount of the Earth's atmosphere it passed through to reach you, however the UVA is not absorbed to the same degree so you are still exposed to quite a lot of it. Consequently slathering yourself in an SPF sunscreen that only blocks UVB is pointless, you need to be using a UVA blocker. It is thought that the use of sunscreens that only blocked UVB is behind the rise in skin cancers because they enabled people to spend more time exposed to UVA than if they had not worn any sunscreen.
I could listen to this for hours 😊👍🏼
I was introduced to retin A as a teenager in the 1970's suffering with acne. I am confident that because of "A" I look younger now than anyone could guess.
Great vídeo!!! So informative...Thank you!!!!
Big Environ fan - been using it for just under a year and think it is fabulous 💕
Amy Taylor
Where do you live Amy? Looking up Environ’s site, it was difficult to identify how you can buy it in the UK. Was a little confused with product description.
Jeez Nadine, let the man talk!
The to & fro triggered by Nadine incessant need to be right meant the content terminology went over my head.He speaks about the science in very layman terms when he's allowed. Haven't watched a Nadine Baggott vid in ages as I find her personality obstructive when she's talking to experts. They're never allowed to finish their thoughts or answer the question without her intersecting with her own answer. She wants to put words into Des mouth and he came across exasperated. I have used Environ products for years and know they're great. I stopped for a period when I couldn't afford them & my skin suffered & changed. So he knows his stuff wish he'd been allowed more talking space in the way Caroline Hirons gives during her expert interviews.
Great video! I don’t get what broad antioxidant means in a practical sense. I know we should use vitamin C and other antioxidants under spf but I would love it if you could elaborate on this. Thks
Would have loved his take on brown spots! How to stop and also get rid of!!!
Excelent video, thank you!
Hi Nadine, would love to know your opinion on products such as Neal's Yard remedies clear skin formula which you take orally/drink mixed with water, do you think there is any truth in them curing acne, or do you believe vitamin supplements can help acne, would love to know your thoughts many thanks
Nadine, I remember you saying how much you liked mineral foundation. Do you still use it and which one? Please can you advise...How is it best to prep skin for it. I love my Bare Minerals but sometimes my skin looks dry. My skin can tend to be on the dehydrated side - what product or products could help me please so I can continue using my Minerals? Thankyou.
Nadine you look amazing! I love Environ products. I have bought them from my beautician but wonder can you buy direct from Environ?
Oh yes! Been waiting for this video since I saw you posted with him on your insta. I'm also from South Africa and love Environ!! ❤
Hi I am from SA too (JHB) and have never used Environ but am definitely going to look into it. Can you recommend any salons or therapists for me? X
👋 Hi. Also a fellow South African. Never tried his products but now I am definitely interested!!
@@caryngreyvenstein5574 they are sold at Sorbet salons nationwide and you can earn clicks points so it's a bonus. Some salons sell it as well but I don't know any in jhb ( I'm from cape town) so Sorbet is probably the easiest to find
I have a question, how do you find out if there is a UVA or UVB at the place you live, so you know what kind of sunscreen to get
Totally confused about sunscreen now! :(
I think his views are very interesting - and I am open to learning - he is not anti SPF he just thinks we overuse chemical spfs on cloudy days when most of us are indoors - he is pro physical/mineral spfs and protects his skin when he is in the sun (as do I) ... he is a leading South African skin cancer and skin ageing expert and I think his views should be heard.
Confused: vit A helps protect against the sun? How is that possible we are always told that if we use a retinol or any vit A we MUST wear sunscreen. Can someone please clarify this?
Great video. Do you use Environ if so please could you do a review video? X
What do you mean when you say there is no UVB in Cape Town??? Just by a quick google search, I found multiple pages with the UV index (UVA+B) in all the provinces of South Africa, with Western Cape being low (2-5 this week), which although low can cause damage in the long run. I am honestly so confused by his statement. I feel like it's misleading people and driving them not to use SPF (?!?!)
I stopped listening to anything he said after that. Stupid and dangerous advice.
This confused me greatly too!
Irelys Sarel it is severely dangerous and I can’t believe Nadine put this post up! Of course UVB rays can cause cancer, you get burnt, your DNA over time changes and melanoma is one the UK’s greatest killers. UVA/UVB sunscreen always.
There’s a link to NHS guidelines for you. I’m Australian and prefer to get information from scientists and real doctors unlike this twat.
ruclips.net/video/CAqRMr47KWk/видео.html
I think his views are very interesting - and I am open to learning - he is not anti SPF he just thinks we overuse chemical spfs on cloudy days when most of us are indoors - he is pro physical/mineral spfs and protects his skin when he is in the sun (as do I) ... he is a leading South African skin cancer and skin ageing expert and I think his views should be heard.
Nadine Baggott I’ve now researched him and Environ so I acknowledge his expertise within this realm. However Nadine what caused most people concern was the notion of Capetown having no UVB (impossible), leading people to ask what should I wear? The answer is simple broad spectrum UVA/UVB 30 plus if you are outside regardless if it’s cloudy. For the sake of your viewers clarify the point because both UVB and UVA exposure causes cancer. The other points he raised were interesting but sadly he lost me his unscientific approach to sun protection. I attached a few links to some people asking questions about about what to do, including a link highlighting UVB factors seasonally and when cloudy. What strength you need to use ect done by WHO and NIH.
Nadine, please let people talk !!!!
South Africa doesn't have any UVB?...
He completely lost me after that one statement.
totally, utter nonsense, and dangerous
Yes didn't understand that at all!
Hmm
He has spoken about a big city with smog not about the whole country
Hi Nadine,
Could you please suggest some oral vitamin A and also how and when can they be consumed?
Where can we get a form of vitamin a he’s speaking about in the uk?
This was so incredibly informative, thank you as always nadine. Nadine I was wondering if mineral makeup would count as mineral sunscreen ? I’m guessing so. Thanks
Uhm I am not so sure for 2 reasons. The first is that mineral makeup should contain both titanium dioxide and zinc xxx (in this moment i don't remember the complete name) and more important in the "right" percentage to protect the skin. The second, assuming that the first doubt is resolved, is that you should probably put an enormous amount of mineral makeup to obtain the same protection of an spf cream. It is the same for the foundations with spf, even theose with high spf. To get the right protection you should use a great quantity but clearly it is not possible
Does Dr Des take 15 thousand IU’s of vitamin A internally? Thank you! This is great information 💞🌻🌈🌟🧚♂️
Wow Nadine this is such an interesting and informative video...i follow a Dermatologist from Australia who advocates using rentinol products in addition to Trentinion..we've gotton a good education today👍love to you darling💖
Hi Lisa, Would you mind saying which dermatologist it is that you follow..I am in Australia and follow Davin Lim..
@@traceyvannini3453 yes Dr Davin Lim..thats the very one😊
And Dr Lim says the best anti ageing product is UVA/UVB sunscreen. This Dr is a tool.
@@anthecrawford3957 his skin looks damn good for a old dude tho...so maybe theres something to his theory...i'll still be using my UV protection
Lisa Bafundo there’s no denying Vitamin A I use it too that’s not a theory it does work, he’s been using it for over 20 years! The stupidity of disregarding the effects of UVB (sunburn leading to altered DNA and cancer cells) and not using a UVA/UVB sunscreen was shocking.
www.skincancer.org/prevention/uva-and-uvb
Loved it❤️
I wear a mineral spf every day under make-up! If I understand Dr. Des correctly, it does not protect my skin against UV light????? I am confussed .....
I have learned that retinos will break down in UV light, so only use in the evening...
what environ productd do you reccommend i start with please ?
Oh Nadine! Your skin! Seriously woman! xxx
I find his views about Vitamin A really interesting. Unfortunately after 4 years of continuous prescription retinol use I am just not experiencing the positive effects he describes. I don’t have any negative effects apart from my skin looking flat but my pores are still gunked up and massive, my oil production not particularly improved. I would love him to take a look at my face.
I didn’t know infra red light is damaging to the skin? I use infrared frequently as part of my led hom light.
Infra red light / heat is good for the skin,small doses infra red light is great for your health look at the infra red heat massages / heat lamps they have great benefits for your health.
How long does vitamin A take to work? Does anyone know?? 🤔😘😘
Really really confused about SPF (and it's not just this interview). I feel like there's a downside to SPF (aging from oxidants??, vitamin D blocking??) that Doctors keep skirting around because they worry we'll stop using SPF for all it's very important good stuff (cancer prevention, ant-aging against sun damage). I want someone to just tell me the definitive pros and cons about both mineral and chemical SPFs and nano-partical mineral ones in straight language. I'm not going to stop using SPF for God's sake, but at least I'll be able to make an informed decision about how to best manage the negatives. Someone just needs to be brave enough to do this as I've watched umpteen interviews with esteemed Doctors who all seem to obliquely reference some issues with SPF without ever saying what they are. Don't you think it's about time we could have an open and frank discussion about SPF without being talked down to?
The core is UVA protection. The core that is fighting it most successfully are the powerful antioxidants. Contrary to all around the net misinfo, vitamin A (if one has been using it long enough) is the best UVA protection by itself. Another one is vitamin C. Different variations of vitamin A (not blindly sticking to one brand only) trigger as many different receptors within the deeper layers of the skin, thus making it more resilient to the UVA contrary to the popular belief. Of course, mineral sunscreens are to be used, but the hype (esp in the USA unlike here in Europe) is waaaay overboard with applying it and reapplying it 5-8 times a day (talking serious layers on each reapplication) depending on ones obligations in regards to outdoor activities. So much sunscreen is contra productive in so many ways (my longtime dermatologist gave me access to many scientific papers written about that, by top notch surgeons and dermatologists.) Work on the actives, use mineral sunscreens in moderation, wear a heat if living in hotter climates and natural fabrics. And avoid direct exposure to the sun. When you cannot (in a car, running errands with no shade in sight, apply mineral sunscreen with the components this gentleman and expert has pointed out as important ones.) Just do the digging and in-depth research beyond You Tube and social networks. This sunscreen hype has been flooding the net for years while, of course, big pharma is cashing in bigger bucks than on medications for serious illnesses and treatments. I'm 49. From Mediterranean region. Did my research. Applying it in practice. My skin is more than fine. Not to mention my grandmother who's approaching 90. In the fields for more than 70 years now. In the sun. Directly. Never ever used a cream in her life. Just a hat and a scarf. She's more than fine too.
What a lovely man with so much knowledge AND lovely healthy looking skin. Thanks for sharing this with us all Nadine xx
Ooooo I say lol ,does this mean I could mix my differin on different days to Paula’s choice 1% that has been taking my fancy since you showed it Nadine xxx
dr. Google 😂
I love Dr. Dez so much, he is an emblem to true health. Forever grateful!
Is there a product that just protects from uva, and would that be safer than those with uvb as well? Or is it vitamin a that acts as a uva filter? I’m confused, but I will add that confusion is an old friend. Thanks to you both!😘🙏
Vitamin A is the best UVA protector once you've used it long enough and in different formulations to trigger as many diverse deeper layer skin receptors. And moderate application of sunscreen with reliable/tested UVA filters.
I'm totally confused now about UVB UVA and SPF lol
Me too!
Me too
Love this video and love you Nadine but please do not interrupt the people that you interviewing ;)
Very interesting !
At what age do you start using vitamin A's?
I love his philosophy
To me, skincare is pretty simple. Avoid the sun, don't smoke, wear sunscreen, avoid fragrance in all skincare products, avoid known allergens in skincare products, cleanse thoroughly but gently, and keep skin moisturized. Add tretinoin to the nightly routine several times a week, being careful to monitor the skin for signs of irritation. That's pretty much it for me. I don't really hold much of a high opinion of Vitamin C or peptides, they seem sort of trendy and gimmicky to me, but I do think that ceramides, niacinamide and a handful of other ingredients are worth using. AHAs and BHAs are tricky, and I use them very sparingly. Over-exfoliating is worse than not exfoliating enough, in my experience.
As far as microneedling goes, I am really not impressed with it. I had several treatments performed, and I was really not bowled over by the results. I have pretty significant acne scarring of the rolling and icepick variety, so I've looked into medical procedures to address them. Subcision and TCA Cross are much more effective in my experience than microneedling. I think people with post-inflammatory hyperpigmentation and post-inflammatory erythema are better candidates for microneedling than people with atrophic and hypertrophic acne scarring.
Defo agree I learnt this the hard way after battling skin irritation because I complicated my skincare routine way too much !! Also drink lots of water
Nice one 👍
What is a fatty vitamin A? So is tretinoin good since it's a derivative vitamin A ? To me vitamin days get kind of confusing.
the doctor's skin looks pretty good as well.
Nice. I worked for a dermatologist when Retin A was first formulated. As for the sun DO NOT GO OUT INTO THE SUN (even if it's overcast) unless your skin is covered. Zinc-fabric-wide brimmed hat, Etc. Skin cancer. Remember that? A friend of mine had a little spot of "skin cancer" on her nose and had to have half of her nose removed and then several reconstruction surgeries and of corse not a very good outcome.
So if nothing else will persuade you, think about your NOSE!
P.S. I have never basked my face in the sun and I have hardly any wrinkles.....And a NOSE!
Sweet Tater Pie this video was pure negligence. I’m in Australia summer winter it’s sunscreen everyday UVA/UVB 50+++ the minimum is SPF 30. Too many melanoma checks as kids, older adults getting skin cut out of their face...Vitamin A is not going to help that!
ruclips.net/video/CAqRMr47KWk/видео.html
Really interesting to listen to but I get so confused on exactly what to use and when! I’m 53 and have noticed changes to my skin!
If Dr Fernandez wants any guinea pigs to try out the treatment I’m here!
Best products ever!
I hope he appears again on this channel.
This guy is fascinating!
So much good information missed because of all the interruptions. 😓
Do you use his products can you do a you tube on it
What is broad-spectrum antioxidant?! I would love to know more about this? I seriously hate Spf and I would love to know more about protecting my skin this way. I stay out of the sun especially my face. Btw Nadine, in natural light your skin is absolutely glorious!! X
Rebecca Sankey because some Antioxidants actually block UVB (by decreasing redness/burning & inflammation by 100%) ,if u are interested read the description for superoxide dismutase saccharide mist
The research suggest that antioxidants can augment the benefits of spf from uv damage but are not a replacement for it
Rebecca Sankey antioxidants reduce redness which UVB rays cause globally. But all UV is radiation so the redness is nothing because the radiation penetrates the derma and changes your DNA. This leads to melanoma or skin cancer. If you dislike the feel of sunscreen try Bioré Watery Essence SPF 50++++ it’s on Amazon. It’s Japanese they make the best you will never feel it on, it can be patted over makeup because it is like an essence. I use Vit A but the only real anti ageing product is sunscreen UVA/UVB.
ruclips.net/video/CAqRMr47KWk/видео.html
@@anthecrawford3957 thank you will give this a go. I've tried so many of them and have hated them all.
Rebecca Sankey I’ve converted every SPF hater with this one! The Japanese value skincare and white skin, their sunscreens are full protection so the formula is important to blend into the skin without interrupting your skincare or makeup. It’s about £8 for two.
Very interesting x
there's cis and trans retinoic acid lol. As a trans person that made me laugh
Nadine, You recently vlogged You had given up Retinol/Retinoids,. Has this changed your mind?
Can i put some drops of vitamin a in my night cream?
From like a vitamin? No, you can put vitamin A from a supplement on your skin.... only trans retinoic acid or retinol (retinoic acid is better).
rheaultm33 Zelens has Vitamin A drops you can mix with your moisturizer.
@@rheaultm33 yes, oly vitamin a. Thank u.
What about skin cancer? Specifically basal cell
Hia! 😘🤗😍
Some what i am more 🤷♂️ confused
I’ve read tons on the benefits (including skin) of near infrared lights! 😳 why must this be so confusing?!
Here are my thoughts on IR light - in short sharp bursts it can be healing, just like laser and IPL, but it is chronic long term exposure to IR light and heat that is so damaging. So therapeutic devices expose the skin in a short, sharp, acute controlled manner ... delivering just the right amount of energy to work within the skin. This is not like the daily, year on year exposure that Dr Des is speaking about here.
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Nadine Baggott Thank you, i appreciate the response!! 💜
A brilliant interview, thank you Nadine! Environ products have an amazing strategy using vitamin A, the building up strategy to avoid retinol reaction, but I am wondering why Dr Fernandez still uses mineral oils in his products? It would be interesting to interview also Dr Hans Lautenschlager (dermaviduals, Germany) and Dr Lance Setterfield (expert in microneedling, Canada)
Really informative. Though I find taxi ride distractive.
Does he recommend vitamin a in trentnoin form? He never really said. Maybe he is only speaking about his products.
@agameofantasy Thanks! Didn't think he was speaking specifically about clinically proven trentnoin, but . . .
Dr Drey does have good info on what is efficacious. Yet she LOVES chemical sunscreens, whereas I know they aren't the healthiest options compared to mineral.
He recommended all forms of vitamin A.