These are fun and very easy to breed. They thrive and breed well when they are exposed to temperature differences. When i kept these i moved them to a small balcony pond in spring and moved them back in halfway autumn. They can be kept outside until 5 degrees celsius. I had large gravel on the bottom of the pond where the eggs fall between and can hatch. The adults rarely hunt their own fry i found. Every year they would spawn in the pond and my population would grow with about 20 to 40 young minnows. I love these guys, they are such an active fish!
My very first fish were mosquito minnows from the canal at the end of my road. And a few sail-fin Mollies from the same canal. My first aquatic plants were alligator weed, "Alternanthera philoxeroides" from the same canal!
White clouds are so underrated! I just got a shipment of long fin white clouds after being on several wish lists. They are gorgeous and incredibly hardy. I keep them in community tanks and they get along with a large variety of fish. Great video☺
These are the best fish ever. I love mine so much. They love low light, cold water and are not fussy eaters. They have a better orange stripe than any glow light tetra, they are absolutely beautiful.
I have 7 golden white cloud mountain minnows sharing a 110lt aquarium with chili and exclamation point rasboras, pygmy corydoras, some shrimp, and a mélange of snails. Unheated, heavily planted, and all is good. Thanks for the video Matt. 👍
Easy conversion Matt, if its 22 centigrade, double it and add 30 = 74 and that will be close enough, if you start with Fahrenheit take off 30 then divide by 2, another great video and we are looking at setting up a cold tank and these will be in it.
I have kept them in an outside pool pond in my home state of Mississippi through the winter and the cold didn’t phase them at all. Actually I’ve kept them all year round outside, they are extremely tolerant of a wide range of temperatures and always just seemed super happy.
Had them when I was 8, now I am 58 still keep them, my favorite of all fish. Last summer kept them outside in a Aquarium in the garden, now inside in small tank for the winter.
I have a few of the Golden/Yellow version of these fish, and I love them !!! My tank is unheated, and they don't seem bothered by it at all, and, in the winter, I set my room thermostat to 22, so that the room never goes below that. And thank you Matt for also giving me some ideas of what type of fish could be added in with them too
I love my white clouds. The males are a little territorial if they decide to pick a little spot in the aquarium, but they’re an inch big they can’t do too much damage to each other lol
yeah true, sometimes they change the spot, so no one allowed here now, attack everything that moves a bit faster than usual, even shrimp, no harm though
I love my white clouds! I got them with some paleatus cories for a colder water tank and breeding project! I thought it was going to be super hard to get them to breed, but after some makeshift tools, i have 23 free swimming babies on my first go! Im excited!!
Hey Matt! I'm in Western Canada. White Cloud minnows are illegal to keep in most or all Provinces because they can survive our extreme seasonal weather. Aquarium Co-op has got a new recipe for feeding very small fish. I don't usually mention other businesses but the need for this outweighs my reluctant feelings.I love your show! I'm currently hoping to bring a tank on with crystal Shrimp and small minnows, we will see!
Love these fish! They were the first I kept in the hobby starting out as a 10 year old getting my first tank for my birthday and 20 years later I still have a group of them along with some of the goldies! Love your stuff Matt- keep it up 👍🏻
Added a few of these to my 20 gallon long heavily planted blue dream shrimp tank. Wonderful additions! Great activity, nice pop of color and seem to compliment the shrimp well.
I have been loving your videos lately Matt, one of my favorite channels to watch! I was considering getting these guys for a future project because I’ve never owned them before ❤
You remind me of Jamie Oliver for some reason. Lol. Love your enthusiasm for these fish - I got some for a 20 litre fish bowl I was given because I didn't want to heat it. I wasn't that excited about these fish until I got them. They are great little things and I really enjoy them a lot more than I thought!
Speaking of endangered species..... Sharkminnows. Especially Red-Tailed Black sharks and a lot of similar species. I'd love to see this video for them. Absolutely BEAUTIFUL fish. Also.... You can absolutely keep barbs, white clouds, etc. with them.
@Thedartslife also keep a few small spaces / crevices for the snails to hide in. Most of the babies will probably get eaten but a few will make it :) the minnows eating them is a good thing too
@Thedartslife I don't know why but if my minnows don't have at least some sort of snail, even if it's just a ramshorn, then the tank gets problems. As long as you've got one in there everything will be fine
I recently started keeping these, I have them in a community with some galaxy rasbora and pygmy cories and they're really fun to watch. They're always busy and they're a great dither fish to bring the more timid fish out. I keep them with a heater at 23°C and they seem quite happy and healthy. I wouldn't want to keep them at the extremely low temps, but they're such hardy little guys I doubt they'd be bothered by higher temps. Lovely fish. Great to watch. They're really growing on me.
Hi Matt! Great fish profile Would be amazing to have a video on cold water fish options by size 🤩if that inspires you one of these days Have a fab Friday and weekend!
I've only been in the hobby for under a year, and my first fish have been various mollies. Has gone very well! Interested in these minnows so I can ditch a heater need in my next tank. TY for the info!
I have had these for 5+ years with some Borneo Loaches in a medium flow tank (90 litres) & they are so underrated. Must be on the 5th generation by now with around 40. Looking to upgrade their tank to a 200-250 litre tank next year next to my 600 litre tetra tank. I find 18-20 degrees is the sweet spot for them.
They have been one of my favourite fish for a long time. Have them in a planted tank with cherry shrimp and are doing great. Even had a few babies who survived to become adults.
Depends on the barb to be honest. You cannot paint them all with the same brush. It's like saying you can't keep dogs with cats, sometimes yes and sometimes no.
I have a nano tank with 24k white gold mountain minnows they make me so happy! The colors are amazing and they are a sweet fish that hangs out with my shrimp.
I am in south Louisiana USA and I tried the golden variety in a small outside pond and they did not make it through the winter. I read that the normal colored ones are hardier. They did look great all summer in the sunlight and turned a lovely orange/red color! I would love to find some normal colored ones to try.
Your channel is really coming into its own. Great stuff man. These fish profiles from such an experienced fish keeper are awesome. I’d love to see profiles on paradise fish, honey gourami, cherry barbs, medaka rice fish-if you were looking for suggestions 😅 nice work!
Like the idea of these! But also chilli raspora’s. I have swordfish, guppies, Corydoras and pair dwarf gourami and Amano shrimp possibly (not seen for a couple of weeks)
Im from Malaysia, ive had them for 2 years now and the tank is right by the window and gets a blast of sun around 3 - 4pm. Average temperature is around 24-27 but they seem healthy, big, really bright coloured
Ive just bought 6 white cloud mountain beauties two days ago for my first time tank planted with bladder snails and gammarus pulex. The pulex have quickly disappeared. Great little fishies, I’m loving them.
I love my white clouds and they've been a constant in at least 1 tank since 2017. I've had a terrible time finding them in my area though when I've tried to restock.
Most of the wild populations come from lowland, woodland brooks, even coastal. They live in various habitats, there is (was?) a study station built to watch over one population and their habitat is like farmland with fields and tall sedges alongside the brook. They presumably evolved on the vast plains during the Ice Age that is now the Gulf of Tonkin, the populations we have now are remnant populations from the original delta that was flooded by the sea. In the wild they live in small, loose shoals, they prefer the river banks presumably for safety. The young swim in the shallows where the water flows through sedges, bamboos etc. In the rainy season shoals can enter the flooded forest areas or pools forming in farmers' fields, here they can become trapped which I think is how the rediscovery of wild specimens happened when some naturalists accidentally found some stuck in a pool in a field. That said, there are populations in faster, upland waters with falls etc, but mostly they live in woodland brooks in subtropical climates, dry cold winters with hot, rainy summers. A well planted tank, like yours with an open area for swimming and some water movement all help replicate their wild habitat and keep them happy. The large piece of wood is especially nice and their habitats often have a lot of fallen submerged branches. They enjoy the noise of water movement too which helps them feel safe. The long fin ones are often believed to come from the non-White Cloud Mountain strain (I have no opinion in the matter), as in the 1930s two collections were made, the first from the forests of the WCM reserve and the next and final from a brook in Kowloon now disappeared under Hong Kong's urban sprawl. These two races are largely mixed now though into the aquarium breed we love today. Sorry for the lengthy comment!
@@jonstfrancis Thanks! I have subscribed to your channel too. I was very obsessed with biotope aquariums years ago. While I ultimately chose to replicate a small lake from northwest India, I also considered recreating the biotope of Tanichthys albonubes, with Macropodus opercularis and Barbodes semifasciolatus as tank mates, and Ceratopteris thalictroides as the plant. However, despite having experience searching scientific articles and the most diverse sources of information, I was unable to find reliable details about the 'true' habitat of T. albonubes. Thanks for the info!
@@tritiox You are most welcome, I got my info from a mix of Chinese articles I found by searching in Chinese and translating, scientific articles I found and various uploads over the years from enthusiasts in China.
Kept both the standard (aka poor man's tetra) and the golden variation on and off for years. Currently got 10 golden wcmm in heavily planted 4ft low boy with a paradise fish, gang of pygmy corys, 3 rainbow shiners, gang of peppered corys, gang of kuhli, gang of ottos, 17 cpd, 10 green kubotai, hundreds of neocaridina and a gang of amano.
I recently picked up 6 of these WCM's and in less than 2 weeks I see babies in the tank. I know they are theirs as there are no other fish in the tank. Will they leave the babies alone or will they eat them?
They don't seem to actively hunt them, but they will eat them over time. In my well planted 30, just a school of WCM's, and shrimp, I will see up to 7 or 8 fry at a time, but they gradually disappear. I started scooping some out with a little cup and putting them in a separate tank.
@@saabtech3510 Thank you for replying to my question. I have been watching them and you are 100% correct. They mostly leave them alone. The only time I see any aggression is during feeding time. I saw a couple of them get snatched up but I don't believe it was on purpose. If I am not feeding them they actually swim close to the adults and they get left alone. Thank you again!
@@JohnShearer-b5t You are welcome. That is a good observation on the feeding. I have guppies with my goldfish and the goldfish don't hunt, they scavenge. But when being fed they show eagerness to eat and then the baby guppies are in danger of being eaten by mistake while everyone is going after the food. The White Clouds seem the same.
Yah we get these in the aquarium shops year round. I often wonder where they're being bred, though. I'm in Asia and the temps get super steamy 27 - 33%C being the average in the rainy season. Our fish all come from around here, Singapore, Thailand, Taiwan etc so unless using cool houses they're being kept and bred at warm temps. Ultimately this could change things for them, making them more tender, not sure but I'm going to try some.
My shop here in New York said that the White Clouds I bought were a variety originating from Vietnam. Seemingly warmer than mountain streams in China? But they said they were still fine in cool water.
@@saabtech3510 Yes there are in fact three species of "white clouds". They differ in colour. The vietnamese ones are meant to be a bit tender but given the altitude there varies considerably maybe not.
@@riverp9019 The ones I purchased a few weeks after the ones from Vietnam, the tank was labeled "Cardinal White Clouds". Is that an aquarium bred variety, or another species from the wild? They are all looking the same to me. (The ones I have had.)
@ Think a mistake by the shop. The three wild species are Tanichthys micagemmae, Tanichthys thacbaensis and Tanichthys albonubes. T albonubes comes in four varieties, long tail wild, wild short tail, "gold" short tail and gold long tail. plus there are a few breeder strains which have better colour etc. The difference between species is difficult to tell without clear pictures on the net.
Another great fish choice 👌 can you do a fish file on siamese flying fox please? Notably how to choose the right one, as apparently they vary under the same name 😊
Hey Matt absolutely love your work but I was hoping you could make a video for us who lives in cold part of the earth and it’s so hard for us to choose the right fish especially centre piece for our aquarium as electricity is not very stable out there
I keep mostly cool water fish. (no heaters) Blue Gill Sunfish, Blue Tilapia can take it if not breeding them, goldfish, guppies, Endlers, and White Cloud minnows are some of my favorites, and Cherry Shrimp work with the smaller fish and don't mind a cool tank. My tanks range from 64 F - 74 F, but may hit 80 F in a heat wave. A power outage is not a problem, unless a deep freeze and a long outage.
Thanks for this! I have a dozen of these fish and love them. How often do you recommend feeding them? I'd been feeding them once a day but they bred while I was on holiday and one little fry managed to survive so I began putting in a tiny pinch of food in the morning as well.
Great looking tanks. Can't see a spot of algae in there. I have a new tank with a school of WCMM who are going well, just need to reduce the algae issues with some companions of some sort???
I don't know what sound you are using around the 11 minute mark, but my dog found the squeaky bits INCREDIBLY upsetting 😂 wasn't sure we were going to get through the rest of the video
Great video as always. Currently have a small group of CPDs, who are bold as brass! 😂 but two emerald dwarf rasbora as they were in the same tank at the shop and looked kinda lonely…. But those guys hide all the time, even thought one had died I didn’t see it for so long. Should I get a couple more to make them happier and more confident? My tank isn’t huge, but is heavily planted for its size and lots of rocks and wood to hide behind too. Would love your advice, pretty please 🥺 Also… since watching you I’m planning on getting a larger tank … I only had shrimp to begin with, and your videos convinced me to get the cpds… now I want more 😂
I have a cold water tank with white clouds, zebra & leopard danios and a few rosy barbs. Tanks been running nearly 3 years here in NSW Australia. I have a couple that have turned black, I’m thinking it’s their age. (I have lost a few barbs over the past few months too)Parameters are all good. Just coming out of winter where the coldest we would have inside is probably about 12 degrees (c). Have you ever had any turn black? ❤️🇦🇺
I've got 4 and one has started staying by the filter pump, the others are running around happily and so was this one yesterday. Should I be concerned? I have 4 cherry barbs that are all happy. Tank is 22° give or take. I have just washed my white catch filters (behaviour started before washing) because they'd clogged from some soil that got into the water column.
These are fun and very easy to breed. They thrive and breed well when they are exposed to temperature differences. When i kept these i moved them to a small balcony pond in spring and moved them back in halfway autumn. They can be kept outside until 5 degrees celsius. I had large gravel on the bottom of the pond where the eggs fall between and can hatch. The adults rarely hunt their own fry i found. Every year they would spawn in the pond and my population would grow with about 20 to 40 young minnows. I love these guys, they are such an active fish!
That's so so cool! I can't wait to have more space and start some breeding projects.
My very first fish were mosquito minnows from the canal at the end of my road. And a few sail-fin Mollies from the same canal. My first aquatic plants were alligator weed, "Alternanthera philoxeroides" from the same canal!
White clouds are so underrated! I just got a shipment of long fin white clouds after being on several wish lists. They are gorgeous and incredibly hardy. I keep them in community tanks and they get along with a large variety of fish. Great video☺
I totally agree with you they are so hardy and beautiful they should be a recommended fish for all beginners!
Where did you get the long fin...? I've been looking for the L F....Thanks
@@leonardsupchak545 Aqua Huna
@@FishShopMatt just as indestructible as the Zebra Danio lol
These are the best fish ever. I love mine so much. They love low light, cold water and are not fussy eaters. They have a better orange stripe than any glow light tetra, they are absolutely beautiful.
Totally agree!
I found them to be great at controlling snails . They gobble up the young seed snails but are harmless to the adults.
I have 7 golden white cloud mountain minnows sharing a 110lt aquarium with chili and exclamation point rasboras, pygmy corydoras, some shrimp, and a mélange of snails. Unheated, heavily planted, and all is good. Thanks for the video Matt. 👍
We have some in a tank with black mollies, an angel fish, and two peacock eels. The minnows stand out so well with the darker fish.
Beautiful both sound lovely!
What temperature does your tank run at Simon?
@TheZodiac-p2n ambient room temperature no heater.
@@SimonCharbonnet yeah mine too. During winter nights it can get down to 15 degrees though.
Easy conversion Matt, if its 22 centigrade, double it and add 30 = 74 and that will be close enough, if you start with Fahrenheit take off 30 then divide by 2, another great video and we are looking at setting up a cold tank and these will be in it.
Good tip!
White cloud mountain minnows were the 1st fish i put into my tank in the mancave. No heater and they were very happy indeed.
I have kept them in an outside pool pond in my home state of Mississippi through the winter and the cold didn’t phase them at all. Actually I’ve kept them all year round outside, they are extremely tolerant of a wide range of temperatures and always just seemed super happy.
Had them when I was 8, now I am 58 still keep them, my favorite of all fish. Last summer kept them outside in a Aquarium in the garden, now inside in small tank for the winter.
I just bought 5 this morning!
Good luck!
Great choice!
I have a few of the Golden/Yellow version of these fish, and I love them !!! My tank is unheated, and they don't seem bothered by it at all, and, in the winter, I set my room thermostat to 22, so that the room never goes below that. And thank you Matt for also giving me some ideas of what type of fish could be added in with them too
I am tempted to get some of the yellow but I've only seen chunky ones double the size of the standard ones I have.
@@FishShopMatt Oh I didn't know that there were bigger ones. Mine are tiny (about 1.5 inches max) 🤗
I love my white clouds. The males are a little territorial if they decide to pick a little spot in the aquarium, but they’re an inch big they can’t do too much damage to each other lol
yeah true, sometimes they change the spot, so no one allowed here now, attack everything that moves a bit faster than usual, even shrimp, no harm though
Hahaha I do love watching their little disagreements!
They are amazing! Please do the Paradise Fish next time
I love my white clouds! I got them with some paleatus cories for a colder water tank and breeding project! I thought it was going to be super hard to get them to breed, but after some makeshift tools, i have 23 free swimming babies on my first go! Im excited!!
That is awesome!
My daughter loves her little minnows! Great to learn more about them - especially the ‘random’ info 😊
I had a pair of Golden white cloud minnows in a large fish bowl for years and years! Absolutely loved them.
Hey Matt! I'm in Western Canada. White Cloud minnows are illegal to keep in most or all Provinces because they can survive our extreme seasonal weather.
Aquarium Co-op has got a new recipe for feeding very small fish. I don't usually mention other businesses but the need for this outweighs my reluctant feelings.I love your show! I'm currently hoping to bring a tank on with crystal Shrimp and small minnows, we will see!
Love these fish! They were the first I kept in the hobby starting out as a 10 year old getting my first tank for my birthday and 20 years later I still have a group of them along with some of the goldies! Love your stuff Matt- keep it up 👍🏻
That's so cool! Thank you!
Really enjoyed the needy fish facts that you slip in.
Putting these little beauties on my list for the future!
Cheers Matt 😊
Glad you enjoyed!
Added a few of these to my 20 gallon long heavily planted blue dream shrimp tank. Wonderful additions! Great activity, nice pop of color and seem to compliment the shrimp well.
Love these informative videos on specific fish! Do more!!
Thanks! Will do!
Thanks Matt! This may be just the inspiration I need to start a tank of these little dudes.😊
You should!
I would love to know more about paradise fish
I've been keeping an eye out for a pair so watch this space!
I just recognized you from MDs videos, I loved the tank designs you did in your Maidenhead aquatics, very talented.
I fell in love with these guys when i got some to put in my Endler tank,
I have been keeping them ever since, that was about 7 years ago now❤
Im going to try the white cloud and cherry shrimp combo! Getting shrimpies tomorrow
Hey Matt! Can we have a review of rice fish as well! Im super interested and love this format of getting details!
Sure thing!
The best! We overwintered our white clouds outside below freezing in New York. worked well with a small de-icer to allow air exchange… Amaaazin
Yayy so happy that cherry shrimp can go with them!!
I've got Rainbow Shiner Fish in my cold water tank... Great video Matt... I'll keep my eyes open for some of these... 😎🤙
Rainbow shiners are definitely on my list! Gorgeous fish!
A group of white clouds in an outdoor pond... beautiful!
I haven't had these for over 10 years, now I want more 😅
dropping knowledge in the first 60 seconds - - I was today years old when I learned how mountain minnows got their name
I have been loving your videos lately Matt, one of my favorite channels to watch! I was considering getting these guys for a future project because I’ve never owned them before ❤
You remind me of Jamie Oliver for some reason. Lol. Love your enthusiasm for these fish - I got some for a 20 litre fish bowl I was given because I didn't want to heat it. I wasn't that excited about these fish until I got them. They are great little things and I really enjoy them a lot more than I thought!
Matt is so adorable. I love how clear his love for fish is.
Thank you! 💜
Speaking of endangered species..... Sharkminnows. Especially Red-Tailed Black sharks and a lot of similar species. I'd love to see this video for them. Absolutely BEAUTIFUL fish. Also.... You can absolutely keep barbs, white clouds, etc. with them.
Totally agree the red tails are gorgeous, I've got a tank in mind that one could go in.
The magic aquarium triangle - hornwort, bladder snails, white cloud mountain minnows
Every person starting in the hobby needs this!
The minnows eat the baby snails I think. The minnows ate my pulex
@Thedartslife you need more hardscape
@Thedartslife also keep a few small spaces / crevices for the snails to hide in. Most of the babies will probably get eaten but a few will make it :) the minnows eating them is a good thing too
@Thedartslife I don't know why but if my minnows don't have at least some sort of snail, even if it's just a ramshorn, then the tank gets problems. As long as you've got one in there everything will be fine
I recently started keeping these, I have them in a community with some galaxy rasbora and pygmy cories and they're really fun to watch.
They're always busy and they're a great dither fish to bring the more timid fish out. I keep them with a heater at 23°C and they seem quite happy and healthy. I wouldn't want to keep them at the extremely low temps, but they're such hardy little guys I doubt they'd be bothered by higher temps.
Lovely fish. Great to watch. They're really growing on me.
White cloud minnows are so easy. My breed constantly. They look amazing. They are out and about all the time. Buy them they are wonderful.
Another great Video cheers Matt, You and MD have reignited my love of fish keeping with your videos. So re-starting my hobby of old.
That is awesome!
Hi Matt! Great fish profile
Would be amazing to have a video on cold water fish options by size 🤩if that inspires you one of these days
Have a fab Friday and weekend!
Sounds good! I've been thinking of something like this so leave it with me
I'm just starting out with 3 of the white cloud and a snail and I'd be very interested in this! @@FishShopMatt
The best buddie of the white cloud mountain minnow is the medaka rice fish I think...
I love white clouds one of my favorite fish
just picked up 6- 2 weeks back first time seeing them
My lfs has a whole bunch, and I look at them every time I go in. I also have an empty tank. You're twisting my arm pretty hard 😂
I've only been in the hobby for under a year, and my first fish have been various mollies. Has gone very well! Interested in these minnows so I can ditch a heater need in my next tank. TY for the info!
Good luck! I look forward to hearing about it.
I have had these for 5+ years with some Borneo Loaches in a medium flow tank (90 litres) & they are so underrated. Must be on the 5th generation by now with around 40. Looking to upgrade their tank to a 200-250 litre tank next year next to my 600 litre tetra tank.
I find 18-20 degrees is the sweet spot for them.
They have been one of my favourite fish for a long time. Have them in a planted tank with cherry shrimp and are doing great. Even had a few babies who survived to become adults.
I keep them in my axolotl tank. Temp about 67 degrees. Great fish.
I was told by Pets at home that I couldn't keep barbs with my mountain minnows and Platy fish, great video Matt 👍
I have a male platy with mine. He eats all the eggs though 😂
Depends on the barb to be honest. You cannot paint them all with the same brush. It's like saying you can't keep dogs with cats, sometimes yes and sometimes no.
I love watching your care videos Matt. Would you consider featuring the Rainbow shiner in future episodes please? Thanks in advance
Yes absolutely, I have plans to get a nice group of them in the future.
@@FishShopMatt I had no idea such a fish existed until recently Matt. I've not long got back into the hobby after a 43 year break
Matt glad to see you again
I have a nano tank with 24k white gold mountain minnows they make me so happy! The colors are amazing and they are a sweet fish that hangs out with my shrimp.
24 thousand white clouds seems a lot, especially for a nano tank.
I have a dozen or so of the gold WCM. Love them!
I am in south Louisiana USA and I tried the golden variety in a small outside pond and they did not make it through the winter. I read that the normal colored ones are hardier. They did look great all summer in the sunlight and turned a lovely orange/red color! I would love to find some normal colored ones to try.
The video everyone needs to watch
Thank you!
Another great video about an awesome fish. Don’t keep them currently but they are top of list for new setup. Thanks for the info.
I like the pigs head in the tank! I have their Vietnamese relatives and I love them!
Your channel is really coming into its own. Great stuff man. These fish profiles from such an experienced fish keeper are awesome. I’d love to see profiles on paradise fish, honey gourami, cherry barbs, medaka rice fish-if you were looking for suggestions 😅 nice work!
The Vietnamese White cloud is another option. The older males have longer fins that look great when they're flaring at each other.
Much nicer fish
Beautiful fish and also thought to be the first fish in the evolutionary chain of this family group
Quite difficult to get ahold of these.
@@andreashessler838 If you're in the US, Dan's Fish usually has them.
@@markvonwisco7369 I'm in the UK. I think I've seen them for sale once.
Like the idea of these! But also chilli raspora’s. I have swordfish, guppies, Corydoras and pair dwarf gourami and Amano shrimp possibly (not seen for a couple of weeks)
Great choice of fish!
Yet another good post 👍👍
Great video. I have always said they are the best beginner fish by far.
Im from Malaysia, ive had them for 2 years now and the tank is right by the window and gets a blast of sun around 3 - 4pm. Average temperature is around 24-27 but they seem healthy, big, really bright coloured
Thanks Matt
Ive just bought 6 white cloud mountain beauties two days ago for my first time tank planted with bladder snails and gammarus pulex. The pulex have quickly disappeared. Great little fishies, I’m loving them.
I love my white clouds and they've been a constant in at least 1 tank since 2017. I've had a terrible time finding them in my area though when I've tried to restock.
Most of the wild populations come from lowland, woodland brooks, even coastal. They live in various habitats, there is (was?) a study station built to watch over one population and their habitat is like farmland with fields and tall sedges alongside the brook. They presumably evolved on the vast plains during the Ice Age that is now the Gulf of Tonkin, the populations we have now are remnant populations from the original delta that was flooded by the sea. In the wild they live in small, loose shoals, they prefer the river banks presumably for safety. The young swim in the shallows where the water flows through sedges, bamboos etc. In the rainy season shoals can enter the flooded forest areas or pools forming in farmers' fields, here they can become trapped which I think is how the rediscovery of wild specimens happened when some naturalists accidentally found some stuck in a pool in a field. That said, there are populations in faster, upland waters with falls etc, but mostly they live in woodland brooks in subtropical climates, dry cold winters with hot, rainy summers. A well planted tank, like yours with an open area for swimming and some water movement all help replicate their wild habitat and keep them happy. The large piece of wood is especially nice and their habitats often have a lot of fallen submerged branches. They enjoy the noise of water movement too which helps them feel safe. The long fin ones are often believed to come from the non-White Cloud Mountain strain (I have no opinion in the matter), as in the 1930s two collections were made, the first from the forests of the WCM reserve and the next and final from a brook in Kowloon now disappeared under Hong Kong's urban sprawl. These two races are largely mixed now though into the aquarium breed we love today. Sorry for the lengthy comment!
nice info!
@@tritiox Thanks, this info often gets people uptight as it isn't the popular information garnered during the "extinct in the wild" phase.
@@tritiox Nice channel btw; subbed!
@@jonstfrancis Thanks! I have subscribed to your channel too. I was very obsessed with biotope aquariums years ago. While I ultimately chose to replicate a small lake from northwest India, I also considered recreating the biotope of Tanichthys albonubes, with Macropodus opercularis and Barbodes semifasciolatus as tank mates, and Ceratopteris thalictroides as the plant. However, despite having experience searching scientific articles and the most diverse sources of information, I was unable to find reliable details about the 'true' habitat of T. albonubes. Thanks for the info!
@@tritiox You are most welcome, I got my info from a mix of Chinese articles I found by searching in Chinese and translating, scientific articles I found and various uploads over the years from enthusiasts in China.
Thanks Matt! I think I'll try moving the cpd in with them.
I have them with Odessa barbs and peppered Cory's. All tank mates thrive. 18-20c seems like the sweet spot of all inhabitants.
I recently got some of the golden, and really love these little guys. I'd like to get some of the standard as well.
Un grand merci pour la vidéo!
Just saw you featured on Kaity's Cichlids ... what an amazing tour of your house! 😀
Great Information, thank you 👍
My pleasure!
I'm planning a new temporate tank with WCMM and Rosey Red Minnow living together.
I really enjoyed that profile fish fishy would like to see more of this fantastic thank you
Kept both the standard (aka poor man's tetra) and the golden variation on and off for years. Currently got 10 golden wcmm in heavily planted 4ft low boy with a paradise fish, gang of pygmy corys, 3 rainbow shiners, gang of peppered corys, gang of kuhli, gang of ottos, 17 cpd, 10 green kubotai, hundreds of neocaridina and a gang of amano.
Is the paradise fish well behaved towards all those? Males especially tend to be psychopaths.
I recently picked up 6 of these WCM's and in less than 2 weeks I see babies in the tank. I know they are theirs as there are no other fish in the tank. Will they leave the babies alone or will they eat them?
They don't seem to actively hunt them, but they will eat them over time. In my well planted 30, just a school of WCM's, and shrimp, I will see up to 7 or 8 fry at a time, but they gradually disappear. I started scooping some out with a little cup and putting them in a separate tank.
@@saabtech3510 Thank you for replying to my question. I have been watching them and you are 100% correct. They mostly leave them alone. The only time I see any aggression is during feeding time. I saw a couple of them get snatched up but I don't believe it was on purpose. If I am not feeding them they actually swim close to the adults and they get left alone. Thank you again!
@@JohnShearer-b5t You are welcome. That is a good observation on the feeding. I have guppies with my goldfish and the goldfish don't hunt, they scavenge. But when being fed they show eagerness to eat and then the baby guppies are in danger of being eaten by mistake while everyone is going after the food. The White Clouds seem the same.
Yah we get these in the aquarium shops year round. I often wonder where they're being bred, though. I'm in Asia and the temps get super steamy 27 - 33%C being the average in the rainy season. Our fish all come from around here, Singapore, Thailand, Taiwan etc so unless using cool houses they're being kept and bred at warm temps. Ultimately this could change things for them, making them more tender, not sure but I'm going to try some.
My shop here in New York said that the White Clouds I bought were a variety originating from Vietnam. Seemingly warmer than mountain streams in China? But they said they were still fine in cool water.
@@saabtech3510 Yes there are in fact three species of "white clouds". They differ in colour. The vietnamese ones are meant to be a bit tender but given the altitude there varies considerably maybe not.
@@riverp9019 The ones I purchased a few weeks after the ones from Vietnam, the tank was labeled "Cardinal White Clouds". Is that an aquarium bred variety, or another species from the wild? They are all looking the same to me. (The ones I have had.)
@ Think a mistake by the shop. The three wild species are Tanichthys micagemmae, Tanichthys thacbaensis and Tanichthys albonubes. T albonubes comes in four varieties, long tail wild, wild short tail, "gold" short tail and gold long tail. plus there are a few breeder strains which have better colour etc. The difference between species is difficult to tell without clear pictures on the net.
@@riverp9019 Thank you for the info!
Another great fish choice 👌 can you do a fish file on siamese flying fox please? Notably how to choose the right one, as apparently they vary under the same name 😊
That gecko is is so cool 😊
What air pump do you use, trying to find a quiet pump?
Well… I think I fell in love with these fish
I have a big tank of african cichlids but I have a little 60 litre just for the Minnows. My favourite fish.
Love them, thanks!!
Thank you loved this
Hey Matt absolutely love your work but I was hoping you could make a video for us who lives in cold part of the earth and it’s so hard for us to choose the right fish especially centre piece for our aquarium as electricity is not very stable out there
I keep mostly cool water fish. (no heaters) Blue Gill Sunfish, Blue Tilapia can take it if not breeding them, goldfish, guppies, Endlers, and White Cloud minnows are some of my favorites, and Cherry Shrimp work with the smaller fish and don't mind a cool tank. My tanks range from 64 F - 74 F, but may hit 80 F in a heat wave. A power outage is not a problem, unless a deep freeze and a long outage.
Thanks for this! I have a dozen of these fish and love them. How often do you recommend feeding them? I'd been feeding them once a day but they bred while I was on holiday and one little fry managed to survive so I began putting in a tiny pinch of food in the morning as well.
The best beginners fish by a country mile.
Great looking tanks. Can't see a spot of algae in there. I have a new tank with a school of WCMM who are going well, just need to reduce the algae issues with some companions of some sort???
I don't know what sound you are using around the 11 minute mark, but my dog found the squeaky bits INCREDIBLY upsetting 😂 wasn't sure we were going to get through the rest of the video
Cool fish! Love’em!
Had them with cherry barbs, glow light and espei rasboras.
I love cpd's, but they didn't do well with my koi guppies. thanks for the info, i will probably try this with them in the future.
Oooo interesting. I have heard from a few people that there are a few poorly bred lines of cpds out there so maybe worth shopping around
Great video as always. Currently have a small group of CPDs, who are bold as brass! 😂 but two emerald dwarf rasbora as they were in the same tank at the shop and looked kinda lonely…. But those guys hide all the time, even thought one had died I didn’t see it for so long. Should I get a couple more to make them happier and more confident? My tank isn’t huge, but is heavily planted for its size and lots of rocks and wood to hide behind too.
Would love your advice, pretty please 🥺
Also… since watching you I’m planning on getting a larger tank … I only had shrimp to begin with, and your videos convinced me to get the cpds… now I want more 😂
I have a cold water tank with white clouds, zebra & leopard danios and a few rosy barbs. Tanks been running nearly 3 years here in NSW Australia. I have a couple that have turned black, I’m thinking it’s their age. (I have lost a few barbs over the past few months too)Parameters are all good. Just coming out of winter where the coldest we would have inside is probably about 12 degrees (c). Have you ever had any turn black? ❤️🇦🇺
I have both colour variety of white clouds, and the older female golden white clouds have large black splotches across their backs.
I've got 4 and one has started staying by the filter pump, the others are running around happily and so was this one yesterday.
Should I be concerned?
I have 4 cherry barbs that are all happy.
Tank is 22° give or take.
I have just washed my white catch filters (behaviour started before washing) because they'd clogged from some soil that got into the water column.
They are much more interesting than my group of cardinals