This was very good...Paul, I am preparing to turn my dining room or living room into mini gymnasiums, and am wondering if I gave the room equal white lighting and then supplemented it with the colored lghts like yours, would I have a well lit room with less shadowing? I will be singing and playing an instrument on a small home-grown stage, 4' x 6'. I need a beacon light as the primary lightmaybe, and then add this on top of it. Thank you for helping me figure this out. I'm still figuring. Visiting your utube site is part of my research on how to properly give myself enough light, and then add coloration. No?
How far away do you put the lights from the band? And how are they angled? Also at 5:06 when you run the lights behind you, that looked awesome, did you have a sheet of fabric behind you or what?
Stage lighting n00b here, so forgive my relative ignorance - but how does heat dissipation work with the cans? It seems to me like the plastic bags would melt .
LEDs have far lower heat emissions than the incandescent lamps I used at school. They'll run cool enough for this job, in general. Wouldn't do this with an old-fashioned PAR can with a light bulb in it, though!
Just a quick one buddy, try not to use mic leads to connect to run dmx as there cable resistance is different, sometimes you can get cable feed back but other than that great video buddy.
LEDs tend to not produce much heat so no they won't melt. I do not however recommend that you use plastic to cover any other light source type as it may melt the plastic and possible cause a fire.
Jimmy Winn Just the thin disposable opaque shopping bags.They are banned in some countries but you could just as easily use any plastic material that is opaique and act like a diffuser.
+Northwest Pickers u can link up loads of DMX lights, not just PARs. but if ur using lots of different makes and type of DMX lights, u'll need a decent controller. controllers are so useful and u can make the lights appropriate for different songs ur band is playing. say if one song is fast and looks good with strobe or colours, u can do that, but strobe and colours doesn't look good for a slow song! that's why I recommend DMX control.
+Guy's Sound and Light Thats fine is you have a sound guy who can either program your controller and run it to the correct song or manually sequence the lighting but a small band on a local level in a pub or small club don't have the luxury of a sound guy and for one of them to select the program in between songs just adds to the work load. Not to mention time spent programming sequencers during rehearsal time and changing it all around to suit set changes between gigs.
+Paul Graham (Guitar) I understand wot ur saying. :-) however u can get some small cheap controllers that don't need programing which is something to consider
@@nihil4681 This is not true. DMX cable is difference from audio (microphone) cable. A DMX cable has an impedance of roughly 120ohms, as opposed to an audio cable with an impedance of around 45 ohms. Makes a big difference on longer cable runs or rigs with many fixtures.
The LED Par 64 lights are on ebay for around $60 AUD. Alternatively your local musical instrument shop may have them. Mine came from Jaycar Electronics but they no longer stock this particular type, they do however have a different style that does a similar job.
Do not use xlr mic cables! They are not dmx cables! They have totally differen impedance values! While this can sometimes work in a simple 2 fixture setup, you run the risk of not only the fixtures not working properly, but also the risk of damaging the circuits in the fixtures!
Never had an issue. But a 20ft run is hardly the hundreds of feet used in auditorium installations. I am fairly well versed in digital communications and LAN which is more or less what DMX is and short runs of out of spec cabling is hardly going to upset the apple cart. Think about every RJ45 connection in hard wired networks, the conductors are pulled straight through the RJ45 an the twist is interrupted through the socket. The characteristics of the twisted pair go out the window for at least an inch or two at every connection and they work fine. It is not easy to damage digital circuits with poor connections or cabling over short runs. The only real way is through longer runs that run parallel to power cables which can cause AC induction into the DMX or Comms cable in any case the minimum isolation distances should be observed.
Paul Graham Its not good practice. DMX cables are specified for a completely different ohm rating than a microphone cable. There is no way of knowing how long of a run or how many fixtures so eone is going to run based on your information. So you leave them vulnerable to damaging their equipment or at the bare minimum, causing programming problems that they wont know how to diagnose. Bad information like this is how I got mic cables sent to me instead of proper DMX cables when I ordered them new. If you feel it neccesary to give that overly complicated, long winded explaination in your defense, you should have put it in your video to at least give people faor warning.
With LEDs is totally okay since they barely heat up; the proper stuff is meant to be fireproof under high outputs incandescence lights. If even more diffusion is required, I found that the 'pluriball' plastic stuff works very well, and it comes in the box together with the lights :D
It really comes down to cost and portability. This video is for those who want to do some Bar and Club gigs or even parties where there is no equipment supplied. So adding a truss or stands increases cost, setup time, uses stage space in tight venues and is really just more gear to lug. I will not disagree with you as far as the best location for lighting but it is horses for courses when it comes to the size of the stage and what the band are looking for. When I setup the lights they are often on the ground shinning generally towards the middle of bodies or on the drum kit, they are never all focused at one point. On occasions we have had over head stage lighting because it was already set up in the venue.
![Seungmin "그렇게, 천천히, 우리(As we are)" | [Stray Kids : SKZ-PLAYER]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/kAzmhLHePqU/mqdefault.jpg)
Thanks for your work here, cheers! Sorry I'm late to the party but glad i found you!
I knew absolutely nothing about stage lighting for my band. This video was very informative. Thanks.
Happy to know I helped out.
best to use parchment paper
Thank you. The grocery bag diffusers worked great at last night's gig! Great idea.
Bro! Thanks heaps this is the best video. Thanks for demonstrating
Informative video. Thanks for the tips!
Great tip on using shopping bags Paul. I'm definitely going to try that!
No worries brother. Give it crack.
Great tip in the first two mins on diffusing the lights!! Thanks
Brilliant, usable tips - thanks!
Great video. I'm gonna try the plastic bag idea.
+Darren West It definitely makes a difference.
Good.! Nice perspective. I'm old school and trying to learn about LED ASAP!
Thanks Paulie. Good tips.
Found this really useful, thanks Paul.
Paulie I broke my back!
simple, sweet and to the point... nice. ;)
Nicely done sir!
This was very good...Paul, I am preparing to turn my dining room or living room into mini gymnasiums, and am wondering if I gave the room equal white lighting and then supplemented it with the colored lghts like yours, would I have a well lit room with less shadowing? I will be singing and playing an instrument on a small home-grown stage, 4' x 6'. I need a beacon light as the primary lightmaybe, and then add this on top of it. Thank you for helping me figure this out. I'm still figuring. Visiting your utube site is part of my research on how to properly give myself enough light, and then add coloration. No?
How far away do you put the lights from the band? And how are they angled?
Also at 5:06 when you run the lights behind you, that looked awesome, did you have a sheet of fabric behind you or what?
Stage lighting n00b here, so forgive my relative ignorance - but how does heat dissipation work with the cans? It seems to me like the plastic bags would melt .
LEDs have far lower heat emissions than the incandescent lamps I used at school. They'll run cool enough for this job, in general.
Wouldn't do this with an old-fashioned PAR can with a light bulb in it, though!
Just a quick one buddy, try not to use mic leads to connect to run dmx as there cable resistance is different, sometimes you can get cable feed back but other than that great video buddy.
Thanks for the video! Very helpful! :)
Great tips - especially for those of us on the lower end of the financial rainbow. Thanks
Well done, thanks!
thanks....the diffusion idea works well
So, the lights don't heat up the plastic bags????
LED silly
The mode/setting for sound sensibility is So01 and So02. No wires no dmx controller.
very helpful. thanks
mans is Jesus in the lighting industry
If you want to use DMX: don't use mic cables use DMX cables. It might cause trouble.
Dumb
Wouldn't the shopping bags melt?
LEDs tend to not produce much heat so no they won't melt.
I do not however recommend that you use plastic to cover any other light source type as it may melt the plastic and possible cause a fire.
Wax paper works best! Double it up too. Just one layer isn't enough
Great!, thanks
lol, 2 cans to play with.... Anyways, good video. Thanks!
What kind of shopping bag or plastic material was that? thnks
Jimmy Winn Just the thin disposable opaque shopping bags.They are banned in some countries but you could just as easily use any plastic material that is opaique and act like a diffuser.
Just a note... don't use microphone cables for DMX signals. Sometimes they work. Often they don't. DMX and audio cables have different impedances.
Can you setup more then 2 in parallel?
Northwest Pickers Absolutely.I am not sure how many you can daisy chain but as I understand it you could link up as many as 8.
+Northwest Pickers u can link up loads of DMX lights, not just PARs. but if ur using lots of different makes and type of DMX lights, u'll need a decent controller. controllers are so useful and u can make the lights appropriate for different songs ur band is playing. say if one song is fast and looks good with strobe or colours, u can do that, but strobe and colours doesn't look good for a slow song! that's why I recommend DMX control.
+Guy's Sound and Light Thats fine is you have a sound guy who can either program your controller and run it to the correct song or manually sequence the lighting but a small band on a local level in a pub or small club don't have the luxury of a sound guy and for one of them to select the program in between songs just adds to the work load.
Not to mention time spent programming sequencers during rehearsal time and changing it all around to suit set changes between gigs.
+Paul Graham (Guitar) I understand wot ur saying. :-) however u can get some small cheap controllers that don't need programing which is something to consider
Yes awesome!!
Thanks!
Please tell me you are not using XLR as a DMX cable and i am trying to be mean
A movie Please tell me you know they’re exactly the same thing only one is not shielded.
@@nihil4681 This is not true. DMX cable is difference from audio (microphone) cable. A DMX cable has an impedance of roughly 120ohms, as opposed to an audio cable with an impedance of around 45 ohms. Makes a big difference on longer cable runs or rigs with many fixtures.
Hi! Where can I purchase these?
The LED Par 64 lights are on ebay for around $60 AUD.
Alternatively your local musical instrument shop may have them.
Mine came from Jaycar Electronics but they no longer stock this particular type, they do however have a different style that does a similar job.
@@PaulGrahamGuitarst What jaycar sold those? Was it from that brand rave?
Do not use xlr mic cables! They are not dmx cables! They have totally differen impedance values! While this can sometimes work in a simple 2 fixture setup, you run the risk of not only the fixtures not working properly, but also the risk of damaging the circuits in the fixtures!
Never had an issue. But a 20ft run is hardly the hundreds of feet used in auditorium installations.
I am fairly well versed in digital communications and LAN which is more or less what DMX is and short runs of out of spec cabling is hardly going to upset the apple cart.
Think about every RJ45 connection in hard wired networks, the conductors are pulled straight through the RJ45 an the twist is interrupted through the socket.
The characteristics of the twisted pair go out the window for at least an inch or two at every connection and they work fine.
It is not easy to damage digital circuits with poor connections or cabling over short runs. The only real way is through longer runs that run parallel to power cables which can cause AC induction into the DMX or Comms cable in any case the minimum isolation distances should be observed.
Paul Graham Its not good practice. DMX cables are specified for a completely different ohm rating than a microphone cable. There is no way of knowing how long of a run or how many fixtures so eone is going to run based on your information. So you leave them vulnerable to damaging their equipment or at the bare minimum, causing programming problems that they wont know how to diagnose. Bad information like this is how I got mic cables sent to me instead of proper DMX cables when I ordered them new. If you feel it neccesary to give that overly complicated, long winded explaination in your defense, you should have put it in your video to at least give people faor warning.
💗👍
The lighting is okay... but the audio... not so much. Hit me up for audio sweetening!
It would look better if you bought actual lighting diffuser from a stage lighting shop thanks , Bobby
JAYNE GILMAN I am sure it would.
With LEDs is totally okay since they barely heat up; the proper stuff is meant to be fireproof under high outputs incandescence lights.
If even more diffusion is required, I found that the 'pluriball' plastic stuff works very well, and it comes in the box together with the lights :D
👍🏻
so sample
Damn PAR's are hot as shit....horrible for outdoor gigs down here in the summer in FLorida..
ROCKSTARCRANE LED PAR's are the ticket.NO heat from them and a multitude of colors from one can.
I work lights for Asylum Suite nothing no better check out Asylum Suite money on RUclips
would it not be annoying to have the lights shinning up at you , in your face, would down not be better
It really comes down to cost and portability.
This video is for those who want to do some Bar and Club gigs or even parties where there is no equipment supplied. So adding a truss or stands increases cost, setup time, uses stage space in tight venues and is really just more gear to lug.
I will not disagree with you as far as the best location for lighting but it is horses for courses when it comes to the size of the stage and what the band are looking for.
When I setup the lights they are often on the ground shinning generally towards the middle of bodies or on the drum kit, they are never all focused at one point. On occasions we have had over head stage lighting because it was already set up in the venue.
It's far better if you can't see the crowd!
uplighting... not the best look. Green... not the best look. uplighting in green.... horror movie stuff LOL.
your sound is crap. Will struggle with it...