@@Layniacsofficial man im gonna poke a spokesman, spoke the man to the pokemans theres so much more to be done here but I'm too lazy. so please continue it.
@@sherbetlemons it’s probably because you had issues applying veganism in your life and i think with enough research you can be a vegan without getting sick just like milions of people do :)
@@antheia__ i was thinking the same. I think that, as Ni is introverted, we also view the things as Ne does, we make a lot of guessings, but we share only the one we think it's more correct and focus more on this one guess, maybe i am wrong because i am still learning about cognitive functions, but it's logical that an Ni "user" is gonna share less
Cant tell you how glad I am for this Dave, IHATE NEW IDEAS comming in when I am trying to establish a pattern, it feels like im trying to lay a puzzle and people come and kick away the table
But why not start a full puzzle instead of waiting until you run out of pieces and realize 10 are missing before starting one with all the pieces. INFP w/ Ne
me rn bc I thought so strongly I was an INTJ and had so many facts and had finally narrowed it down and had eliminated almost any doubt….. and then someone came along and was like “you’re an ENTP” and now I feel like I have to start ALL OVER AGAIN
Mom: talks a lot about a hundred concepts (Ne) in a very excited way Me: well, nice, but what's the point? There's a conclusion to all these ideas, right? (Ni)
Justin Lane what happens if you see a lot of possibilities along with their probability but you choose the less probable stuff because you make irrational decisions lol
So here is my way of looking at Ni vs Ne, and it's pretty simple. Ne: Starts with one idea or guess and begins coming up with seemingly infinite guesses from there. Ni: Starts off looking at all of the data it can pull in and narrows it down to fewer and fewer guesses, eventually settling on one that seems more likely than the others to us given what data we have. To say that Ni always narrows everything down to one guess seems a bit narrow minded. We prefer to gather everything we can first, hence Se being on an axis with Ni. Then we will go ahead and narrow it down as much as possible. Ne users do not want to narrow it down usually, they want to keep expanding it at all possible. That's just my 2 cents on it anyway.
Ni doms only ne 1st, 2nd, or 3rd making plan in seconds, but 2 plan with percentage of winning, ni 2nd 3rd (dont worry i have plan for u all, damage happens, ni saves himself only) or ni gives a plan, (every one why?) ni-- mumble
Entp me gives 3 plan my istp enfj parents dont even uses their ni, they took all three of them, while told everyone it was their plan, from then in danger dont u worry i know u have a plan In danger One of them tell me the big plan for everything Whaat?(😅)
Ne sounds exactly like my mom shopping. “Oh come on I know you chose which jeans you want to buy but look at these ten new ones to try on!” and we’ll have mini arguments about me not wanting to “try more options” once I’ve made a decision (sometimes she’ll suggest things she KNOWS I’ve already dismissed but WHAT IF). Knowing functions is VERY helpful because I’m Ni dominant and much more inclined (in shopping anyway) to be like “screw it if I’m missing something else, I had this specific thing in mind and I’ve found it/didn’t find let’s leave.” I can’t imagine deriving pleasure from having MORE options in this context, lol.
OMGGGG yess!!! This is exactly me and my mom and my Ni is in tertiary position (isfp), i can't imagine types with Ni as their main function, that would be sooo painful
I appreciate this channel so much. It just sucks that we see what we see and it take so long for people to understand. Ni is so fast to project that sometimes i can't explain how i know what i know. Dave you are awesome!...
So lemme get this straight, NI doms work with what they currently have to find the best answer (final conclusion) while NE doms are trying to break the matrix by increasing the number of options yet have trouble in selecting or singling out a single best solution?
Ne - all the cars Ni - THE car Se - all the car parts Si - this car part fits here... Ne doesn't have a preferance or personal favourite, but loves to have several options for any given situation. Ni is total glasscannon, only one model that should solve and "just work" in any given problem or situation Take mbti for example, even if mbti would be the optimal system that explains everything, Ne would get doubtful and bored, searching for different paths to explain the same psychological behaviours in other ideas or theories
I feel like it's a scale, not absolutes. Like Ni dom would still use some Ne, especially at start, he would just make up his mind rather quickly. Meanwhile a heavy Ne would take ages to pick an option, but eventually would pick one option and resort to Ni. I'm actually quite confident of this realisation right now..
For example I was buying a TV table, as a Ne secondary I had dozens of tabs open and took a couple hours of deciding to pick one option. But eventually I was so certain of my choice that I just ordered this specific table and imagined that if somehow the order wouldn't go through and they told me no, I can't order that one, it would be exhausting for me to go back choosing other tables, because after a lot of searching this was my clear favourite. So after exhausting my Ne, which took a few hours, I finally resorted to Ni. This is such a huge revelation. Its exactly the same logic as social introversion or extraversion, even introverts get exhausted of being alone after a while, even if it can take weeks of being alone like in my case, and can briefly resort to a more extroverted behaviour.
I do the ni thing but I have no big dream, I have 500 big dreams in my future, I want to do every career, I want to do every subject, I want to learn everything yet I apparently have ni?
I think I just went through a mind-blowing moment. So I have a sister that I suspect uses Ni. When we tell stories on the go, she tends to stick to one concept and build from there. Whereas I think of a scenario and plan for that thought, but then eventually I go off script and think of a better fit for my story.
My train of thought: I definitely have Ne. Wait, unless I have Ni and me having Ne is the one idea I'm trying to find support for. What about that one time I thought I might be gay? I looked at all the ideas to see what mighy fit me. Ne! But I might have had a bias towards the sources that said I was gay, therefore actually Ni. BUT I never would have come across the gay idea if I hadn't been looking for new ideas in the first place. Ne again. But now I'm chasing this one idea of sexuality down a rabbit hole. Ni. ... I can sit here all day coming up with more ideas about which type I might be while literally never settling on one of the other. I think I may have answered my own question 😅 Also, turns out I'm bi. Probably.
I think you're a Ne user haha. I'm a Ni dom and when I realized I was bi I thought "okay if I kiss this girl and I like it I'm bi" I liked it and I was like "oh, okay" and I haven't had any doubts about that then.
@@minjoolee2231 thanks, I've considered ENTP and ENFP. Can I ask where you see ti in my comment? I have a hard time differentiating te logic vs ti logic.
@@nebulasofia that's good to know! I kissed a girl and liked it and have spent literal years coming up with hundreds of different scenarios that could explain why I would feel the way I do if I was gay, straight, pan, or bi. My head is a nightmare 😂 I envy the comfort you must have after coming to a conclusion with Ni. My Ne doesn't allow me to ever reach a real conclusion.
So basically, Are you trying to build a pyramid (Ni), or are you trying to grow a tree (Ne)? Added: This comment was just based on this video (and probably a few other ideas mashed together). I’m not sure if this is or should be considered to be accurate. It was supposed to be more of a question than an alternative explanation.
I’m not open minded at all when I have a guess I get pretty locked in with Ni and when Ti comes in and makes it personal, nothing sways me unless I’m completely wrong but even then I’ll still defend my thought process fiercely INFJ NiFe
It's cool that you noticed that. Like, there are tons INFJs who, very ironically, won't ever consider the possibility that they are not open-minded. And "get locked" like you say on that idea.
lol, I cant even be sure at all xD. Its like I'm constantly mediating and negotiating between the possibilities and they are never 0% or 100% possible. Only something between. When they don't make sense they drop heavily tho and are discarded in the weak depths of my memory or forgotten. Its where I start to argue, but I still try to make a model of the ideas that someone suggested even if it would go against my conclusion (this is based on debating poem interpretation, but it funnily also applies here. I have my doubts about DSPs ideas, but I still try to understand it) ENTP
Finally! Thank you so much for this simple explanation of Ni and Ne, nobody seems to explain Ni the same way. So I’ve been stuck trying to type myself and the facts and guesses explanation cleared it all up for me. Great help, thanks so much!
I have been around Ne doms and while I generally appreciate their approach, I find myself becoming exhausted by the constant "what about this and what about that" commentary. I prefer to pick a path and if it proves to be the wrong choice suffer the consequences, regroup and pick again. For better or for worse my wiring works that way.
@@aWERFRGT6545BGFG That probably means you are not Ne or Ni dominant. They are probably lower in your cognitive function stack. Have you taken the MBTI type test and if so, what results did you get?
@@BurgundyandBlue1111 I get my highest score with ne but In real life I don't seem to use ne much, like I come up wtih good ideas once a moon and the way I talk is sorta ne but not really. The only ne thing I really do is that I'm good at not deciding things because I can see how both ways. I can't be a low stack ne user because my si isn't good and I don't use fe that much, I'm too chaotic and disorganized to really be isfj or esfj. And for ni, I'd say I can have gut moments sometimes but I doubt those moments as I get the thought that maybe its just anxiety, and I can predict a movie I guess but I also overthink it and don't seem to have a one track mind. But I can't have ne because I can't brain storm at all and sometimes I prefer things to have a simple answer that can be elaborated on rather than lots of ideas. And I'm not sure about ni in lower stack, possibly Isfp here? no clue, I don't think about the future at all, I constantly think about the past but I don't want to think about the past, I keep relating the past to bad things so I hate thinking about the past. I also don't day dream, its more of intrusive thoughts where I just imagine death of someone and then I become really sad. And someone said that was possibly inferior ne but I have no idea... My results Ne (extraverted intuition) 40.4 Ni (introverted intuition) 31.2 Se (extraverted sensing) 25 Si (introverted sensing) 27 Te (extraverted thinking) 15 Ti (introverted thinking) 21 Fe (extraverted feeling) 31 Fi (introverted feeling) 38
@@aWERFRGT6545BGFG Good evening. Thanks for sharing this info. Some MBTI experts say we often do not value what comes naturally to us. I would say for a long time I didn't value Ni, but when I stepped back and objectively observed my behavior, I was using it more than I cared to admit. Also, you could be a personality type and it is just not functioning in a "standard" manner. For instance, your functional stack as listed above doesn't show a clear link to a personality type which leads me to believe that, whatever type you are, it isn't functioning in the order presented (Objective Personality RUclips channel has a lot more information about the Blast, Sleep, Play and Consume model for MBTI cognitive functions). Usually you aren't annoyed by your top function though. You just may not think about it. From reading your comments, you seem super clear on what you like and don't like, which is often an Fi behavior. Also, it's pretty high in your cognitive function stack. I would not be surprised if you were an INFP that is lead sleep (Fi-Si). It would make you consciously access Ne less. Just food for thought. 😊
I thought I was an NI user, but now I simply don't know. I feel like I'm kind of both, because I like exploring new guesses, but I also like digging those guesses. And then it also depends on how I feel or how hurt I am. The more hurt I am, the more Ni I become. Would obsessing over something count as something relating to Ni? Because then I hit another roadblock, as the more obssessed I am, the happier I become... Man, this thing gives me headaches...
@@sparkstudies1675 NOT OP, but did I am an Ni with anxiety and ADHD so... Op is probably Ne Dom because they become Ni when hurt while when I am calm I become way more Ni than I. Under pressure
I would say the big flaw of the Ne is also that since they don't dive deep into an idea, they always stay at a surface level regarding the multiplicity of ideas they have and thus, they can struggle to develop the full potential of the ideas they guessed and even miss the benefit of it. Similar with Ti/Te. That can also be a big problem in studies or to improve your knowledge on topics. That should be addressed in the video cause it has consequences.
Ne does dive deep into an idea IF it is linked with an introverted function in the first 2 stacks, e.g Introverted Feeling or Introverted Thinking, because it's able to look at those ideas and navigate through its good or bads, or advantages and disadvantages. So you can't really talk about Ne alone as a function unless you pair it with something and then it's definitely gonna come in handy especially during a tough situation where someone just can't find hope in anything, Ne is beneficial to consider that many possibilities can be considered, and eventually picking something that is for your own or in general benefit using one of the two (Ti or Fi). Ni or people who use it, can navigate sure but it will get stuck up often and not be able to move on from something bad and will even be stubborn and think they are right and that there's no way out, realistically.
@svtcarat6386 Thanks for bringing some precisions but I was talking about the Ne function alone, not coupled with an introverted function. Of course, an individual with the Ne function in the first 2 stacks can dive deep since it is necessary to function properly as an individual. But it will come from the Introverted Feeling or the Introverted Thinking, not the Ne itself. Thus it will be able to look at those ideas and navigate through their good or bad, or advantages and disadvantages on the Feeling or Thinking aspect respectively, not on the intuition itself which is what Ni does with statistics and predictions. Talking about Ne alone as a function was the point of the comment, as it's done in the video cause we need to in order to define it. That's true except it can become a struggle when Ne will consider many possibilities without exploring them in their entirety first and foremost and will miss the full potential to prioritize something else that might not be as beneficial. In the same way, Ni people can not stay stuck up and move on if it is linked with an extraverted function in their first 2 stacks, Extraverted Feeling or Extraverted Thinking, because it's able to overlook those ideas and the bad if they're not worth it. Ni or people who use it will be *obstinate when they see the full potential of an idea others who stay on a more surface level can't get and why this is realistically the more profitable way to pursue even if others exist. Ni is beneficial to consider that some possibilities are better than others, and eventually find the best one(s) for your own or in general benefit by using either Fe or Te.
@@kyurei4478 I must be isfp instead of infp because I am always overresearching topics, dont drop a topic till im finished researching it which is never, always forgetitng info i just retained (also have adhd). From what I noticed is that autism has this tunnel vision type of thinking at times, where we obsess over the ssame topic and that seems like ni, ni must overtake ne for ne users. I just think typing cognitive functions when you have autism is pretty mcuh impossible. Even harder when you also have adhd.
Wow... so Ne. I love poking holes in ideas and need others to do the same for me (so they can find facts for me too). I've noticed many don't like when you break their perspective, and supervisors aren't always excited about point out their system isn't optimized 😅
I wish I could settle on a guess, but often I switch after having decided on one for a bit, then I have to start all over again. I think it's an all right stratagy.
You should do a video on how different dom types interact or perceive each other (expand on the Si people are easy to listen to, etc). As there’s a few Si doms I know who get easily frustrated talking to me as I don’t value the organization of facts as they do, by either dismissing the relevance of certain facts they bring up or how I bring up a pattern with unorganized facts. And an estj and intp who live together, who are at each other’s throats when the latter pushes through the formers reasons so much so that the former goes into ego defence, which leaves the latter bewildered. Hahaha
As an INTP using Ne, every fact or theory I learn, however convincing it may sound, is first put through a heavy process of scepsis where I try to disprove and play with what I've just took in. Facts itself may be objectively true, but when their used to prove a pattern I often see flaws cause not enough things where taken into consideration. But then again it makes it harder to explain said flaws because theres just so many connecting things. (Is it even fully possible?) As a footnote, I think knowing the absolute truth is not really possible, even if you always look at a bigger number of facts and viewpoints. There's just always something missing, but there's no reason for not trying at least.
exactly. When I learn a new theory i need to find its bounds: where it connects with other things and where it breaks down. and no “fact” is ever necessarily a fact-if it came from a study, how was it executed? is there something else that isn’t being taken into consideration that could be causing this? Why doesn’t this other related theory make this new one trivial? What’s the difference? How do they work together? etc etc. also, your footnote is exactly how i look at life. (also intp)
You sound like the real deal. I see Ne in the same light. There may be something that I would prefer to look at in a certain way, but I never think that I'm totally right. I don't even want to be right per say, I just don't want to go along with something just because some unconscious judgment of mine prefers it that way. If I'm moving towards a truth that is self-evident and consistent and fool-proof, well, that's all I want I think. People tend to be so hard and fast about a person's type, it ticks me off. Sometimes I think "If I do try to finally do a chore for my parents today, it will come up when I'm talking type with people on discord. They will use the fact that I did something physical to justify typing me as a sensor. I almost call myself a conservative, so there I'm an SJ. I seemed pissed with them so they conclude I'm an ISTJ, or ISTP". Look, I don't trust any one source as being the complete answer for a person's type. After allowing others to type me multiple times, I've decided that people are generally just better off just typing themselves and taking that process slowly. Honestly, I think I would make a good typist though. My goal is for the other person to see what I'm seeing. If they don't see it, I will never give up on trying to get them to see it, and I won't be too pushy about it either. If they don't believe it, then it does them no good. The funny thing to me, the stupid thing, is that anyone can be conservative. Anyone can eventually do physical chores, especially if they have to in order to not piss their parents off too bad. What they should wonder is why someone is motivated to do something? I live in a very Democrat-voting area and most of the people I interreacted with at school were Democrats. I had a close family member that was Republican, an ISFP, and no close one's that were Democrats. Essentially, I went with the person I was closer to and argued all the time with the Democrats at school. It's not that I think they're wrong per se. I can create a good argument for their side. Ultimately, my vote is more of a cultural FU. If I lived in an area where most of the people were bleeding hart Republican-loyalists, I would get sick of it and become more moderate. For fucks sake, I actually voted for Sanders in the 2016 primaries and never bothered to unregister as a Democrat. Anyways, I made a video about why I thought that I was ENTP. I made it just to do something and didn't take it too seriously. It was just a thought process. Someone commented that I clearly wasn't an ENTP because they "just know themselves" and "are never conservative". Something like that. Such BS. The first reason sounds like Fi, not Fi trickster, never conservative? Never in any circumstance more conservative than the people around them? LMAO. I read shit, I try to get better. I take time, I love helping people, just telling them how to start probing for their type. Then there's people like that guy who just jump in and say he knows "our kind" and that I'm not one of them? LMAO. It doesn't change my opinion much since I already thought that 90% of "ENTPs" are ENFPs, ESTJs, ESTPs, and other mistypes.
Every type function stack I check, it always seems to me like INTJs has the perfect functions all in the right order. Ni- Mental Thought Pounding. Te- Let's Get this shit straight. Fi- My personal Morales. Se- Sensory Present Reality. I think if INTJs just train thier sensors and push themselves to get comfortable around it, they'll become total beasts and nearly nobody will be able to compete with them because of these powerful placement of these function stack... And I say to INTJs that start to look all the functions as a whole like in this way - Ni Te - Fi Se - Ne Ti - Fe Si And start to train them collectively to push your Agendas all towards that Ni based vision, would be so much Powerful!
There really is always a "truer" way;-} I admire the focus of Ni, but yeah, my Ne is always looking around there corner, over that mountain, past the clouds, etc... and sometimes HELL YEAH, I find the best path and I know it and I am so glad I didn't invest in those substitute options. There are times, I wish I had made *something* happen... maybe, but not really. I like being nimble and light of foot. I can get down to brass tacks when I really need to do so.
Ni and really proud of it! Always been let's took this one and make of it the best possible then to scatter on thousands sides and do/learn nothing actually. You can only learn if you go deep, not wide!
I definitely get fixated on single ideas and block out contradictions, I'm not very open-minded and tend to get stressed when a hunch of mine fails and I have to go back and look at separate possibilities. Keeping things 'up in the air' is also very annoying to me, as I prefer to choose a single option immediately and don't like wasting time debating or picturing alternative options. However, I'm not the most organized thinker, I can come off as lazy (which I'm actually not, I just find doing certain things useless, I tend to use lots of energy on the things I'm interested in), and am a procrastinator (since I have more important things to deal with, I'm not the best at time management). Would this be Ni or Ne? I'm kind of conflicted.
This has proven to me that I'm really an Ne user Whenever I wanna get information about something, I always ask myself "But why my final guess ISN'T right?" or "Are there any better guesses?" -ISTJ
I've been trying to really grasp the difference between these two for a while (myself being an Ne user) and just had an epiphany that I think explains it in a way that feels concrete and experiential for me vs. abstract. Both Ne and Ni want to understand the generalized rules or "concepts" behind things. They want to understand how the specific thing they're perceiving (event, object, information etc.) fits into the larger scheme of the world. What is it an "instance" of? For both Ne and Ni, things are only meaningful when they're "an instance" of a particular pattern or framework. When they exemplify a particular concept. I never resonated with the description of intuition as "pattern recognition", because my own Ne never felt that way to me - I never felt like I was going out "looking for a bunch of patterns", and if you asked me to tell you about some patterns I saw in the world, I couldn't tell you anything. But if I reframe "recognizing patterns" to mean that every time I come across something, I try to understand "what concept it's an instance of" (i.e. where it fits in my framework of the world), then that makes perfect sense, and it's something I feel myself doing all the time. Now, both Ne and Ni are trying to understand what concepts the things they're seeing and experiencing are "instances of". The difference is where they focus their attention. For an Ni, they focus on the concept and hold that as their constant. So they're looking for many "instances" of one concept. Information is meaningful to then when it can be applied to that one concept, which they often hold as a universal truth. So the way they use "pattern recognition" is by finding as many instances of their one concept, and using those instances as data points to refine their concept. Ne's, on the other hand, focus on the "thing", and hold that as their constant. So instead of trying see how many "instances" fit into one concept, they're trying to see how many concepts fit into this one instance. They want to know how many different angles they can take to look at something, and what they can learn about what this instance "means" from each of those angles. So they use "pattern recognition" by finding as many concepts for their one thing, and using those concepts to highlight and illuminate different aspects of that thing. So to conclude, Ne and Ni are both applying generalized concepts to the things they perceive in order to understand them. But Ne's just care about the thing that's right in front of them, and want to understand that thing as thoroughly as possible by applying different lenses to it (which gives them a strong structural understanding of things, for those of you who are familiar with socionics), while Ni's care about understanding some deeper truth about the nature of the universe, and use the things they see or experience as tools to refine that truth or vision.
Is that why Hitler as an INFJ was so obsessed with his one idea of national socislism even though it lead to disaster because his Ni dominant mind refused to believe he could be wrong. Also for example his stupid decision to invade Southern Russia instead of Sacking Moscow which was the beginning of his downfall. He refused to listed to the advice of his Generals who were more Te/Ti or Si/Se dominant. I'm not saying Ni is bad. Ghandi was also an INFJ and his stubbornness with his one Idea brought about a peaceful liberation for his country from the British Empire.
I prefer to use the term POV, than guesses. Since it's more "Wait, if we look at it this way or that way" than plain guessing. Basically, like how Michael Pierce explained it. Say, you find an object somewhere, Ne reaction would be turning around to see all the options, examine all angles, all the POVs, while Ni would just stay where it is, and work from that one POV.
I think context matters in this situation. I believe I have been focusing on my Si recently, and it really helped me narrow down options and figure out which path is the best out of all the ones I’ve thought about. My thinking seems more Ni when it comes to taking care of my body like hygiene related stuff, food or figuring out the best workout for me at the time. I used to not care much about taking care of myself, and sometimes I still find it a bit tedious so I would rather just have one thing to fall back on. I’m not rigid about it if something else comes along and convinces me that there’s a better solution, but I’m also not actively looking for a different solution. If it’s something I care more about like stories and/or challenging my beliefs about the world, then by all means I’m open to anything. Not sure if that made sense, but if someone uses Ne a lot, I don’t think it’s only all about gathering information. If we want to function in this society, it’s important to still make a decision and have certain habits that’ll help fuel our minds to create more (like eating healthy food, sleeping at least 6 hours or working out).
so for example If I preferer while designing to stick to my best idea (out of few that pop out to my head, but I choose only one -in my opinion best one ) ,and make it work even if during the process it will turn out a little bit not practical, or hard to achieve, but I will still try to dig it more , just to make it work, Is this Ni ?
What if you are interested in new avenues of guesses to explore not so much for the joy of exploring them - although that's cool, too - but because you want your ultimate guess to be as accurate as possible? Is that Ne in the service of Ni?
so , from what i have gatered here , both Ne and Ni are influenced by a decider be it introverted ( i choose this one guess out of the many / i work on this guess because I like it / is the the definitive best for me ) or extroverted ( i choose this one / work on this because other pepole like it/ it makes sense for other )
Ni as fuck. I always stick to the best one and build on that. But soon as it breaks... well lets just say it take time some time to come with new one. Which happens often now when I am young and just entering the adult world.
I'm really either Ni or Ti coz in the past, I REALLY REALLY went into one particular 'worldview' I had of the world and went just all in, and then the results were so so so out of reality. What he said just literally applies to me. I had built a 'fixed idea about how this world is' since I was a child, unconsciously filtering info through that 'one idea'. It's even delusional coz it's like whatever comes your way, you can even not trust yourself to look at that thing as it is, no! You'll be like, yes THAT IS WHY this happened. Kinda like, you have a "personal truth" about which you're so fixated on, and thats your life and you get really really bad if that 'worldview' comes into light when you realize shit! How can I be so wrong! I'm not sure if this is what he means by Ni or Ti, but if someone knows they can comment , it'll be really helpful.
Yesterday i went to buy a specific type of alcool with my mom and we went to 3 different supermarkets to find one bottle... Her Ne is exhausting me lmao In the end she asked me to help her choose between 4 choices, i pointed to a different option(that we'd already seen in another supermarket but here it was way cheaper) and she considered it, but ended up choosing ANOTHER option that wasn't even in her former 4 possible choices.
Ne in a nutshell :- if you can do it, something or someone, somehow, somewhere does it better. find it! integrate it into you quests chest. but don't stop. because, surely, something or someone, somehow, somewhere may do it even better. find it! integrate that too. and repeat endlessly.
So, what if you have NI or NE in your Parent position? I have TE NI. According to this, my guesses are narrow and like the river, but my TE is gathering from the outside to then use the NI . So does that mean that I am wide in my fact gathering and then narrow in my guessing functions?
I'm trying to figure out if I'm INTJ or INFP. (definitely introverted intuitive Fi/Te axis) I guess, if I do both, but Ne sounds exhausting to me, that means Ni is my preferred function?
Alright fellow typing enthusiasts, type me. 1. I look at all the different patterns 2. I look for which one is most backed up by facts hence most practical 3. I try to fit this new pattern into my preexisting giant spider web I use to navigate in life 4. When new and better information comes I update my previous pattern so I always have the best. What am I? I have so much trouble determining whether I'm an INTJ or INTP. I think I use Ni-Fi(INTJ) but people say I'm too agreeable to be one. My argument for that is why would I argue with you if I see the good point in yours? I don't need to win an argument to boost my ego, I want to grow and learn, that's it. Also, I don't care how you make certain decisions, therefore, I'm not going to try to convince you to do it my way simply because it's not affecting me, but when the sh*t is concerning me then hell yeah I'll stand up for myself. I'm super open to new things and willing to hear other people's perspective for the purpose of understanding in order to empathize because I don't have that naturally. I love Ne, I love to discuss ideas and look at other people's viewpoints but I don't value all patterns equally, at least not for myself, other people, I don't care. I feel like I use all 4 (Ne, Ni, Te, Ti) because I play the devil's advocate when I need to but I know that sh*t doesn't work, only one works best for me. To me it's not picking a side it's more like picking the cherry from all the sides. So... what do you guys think I am?
This is basically me. I'm not sure whether I'm an INFJ or INFP, though. I can relate a lot to many things (both overall structures, as well as more function-specific in-depth) from both types.
What if I'm focused on one guess but I'm scared of being wrong so I do more thinking and researching and end up panicking because of it and usually go back to the same guess?
I do on paper I am NI, I know everybody can do everything, but I didn't quite understand what that meant until the river example. that I by default pick a "the one" and that "the one" is the one idea I will Champion to death. Anything that isn't far superior to "the one" is stupid and nobody should do it. An samples I am a cyclist I have one brand that I really like. Anyone who suggests someone should purchase their competitor is wrong and I will ridicule them mercilessly. when in reality if you look at the empirical data they're not that far from each other. and one is just as good as the other depending on your priorities. I have to make a conscious effort to remain unbiased, and entertain more than one possibility.
I don't really doubt my decisions after I have gathered data. I tend to absorb meta data and decipher patterns at great speed. so much so that I am kind of sick of google stopping my internet searches and checking to see if I am a robot or not.
Well this video suggests that I should be on Ne-Si spectrum. Previously I used to think 'I take in data first & then try to find the pattern' (I still do that, maybe I have Ne demon & Si saviour?) How to decide this? 1. I take in sensory data, I give more importance to sensory data & then I like to find pattern. 2. When I try to find pattern, I cannot narrow it down to one, it just feels impractical when there are so many possibilities. If I do both, which spectrum do I fall on?
1 suggests you're Sensing savior/intuitive demon 2 suggests you're Ne and not Ni. Therefore you're Si/Ne But really you may not be seeing yourself correctly at all and you could be something totally different.
@@Rinzsuk I know! Self typing can easily go wrong & that's why it's difficult to come to conclusion. I'm kind of confused between INTP & INFP & to a little extent ISFP. IxxP does seem like the most probable though. Thanks for your reply though! :)
It is just like these videos. I cannot figure out a thing about this mambo jambo. The author must be a complete opposite to my mbti type. (Not that it is his fault). Because the author's way to present information is not compatible to my way of receiving information. I'd rather look at live examples of what it all means. I must be a sensor because this is sooo abstract! I am lost.
I am an INTP but I think that Ti is my demon? my intuition is rlly good and when I answer questions my intuition tells me the right answer but then my thinking comes. I literally just start thinking about the possibilities how my intuition could be wrong and I rather choose an answer from my „logic“ and yep I get it always wrong but when I do listen to my intuition I always get it right? its like those „are you intuitive videos“ there could be three balls and I have to choose which one theyre gonna pick so my intuition is like „pick the middle“ but my thinking say „dont pick the middle cuz yk its the middle“ and I listen to my thinking so I get it wrong
Does clicking on this video, still not knowing which one I use first, because I'm so indescisive with the fact that maybe I'm more Ni but still not deciding I'm Ni because of the possiblity that I may or may not be Ne, mean that I'm Ne? Wow. Try understanding that lol
I guess because I keep guessing and even second guessing my guesses depending on if a better guess comes along then I'm pretty sure this ENFP has savior Ne. Please don't make me narrow my choices. It can make me uncomfortable. But. As we have talked about before, narrowing in on a career, a relationship, is where the secret sauce to success is. Love me some (lots!) of possibilities, but I actually picked a career once and it worked out nicely. In the process of narrowing in on another. But yeah. My Ne and Te like to work together to keep my head in the world of possibilities and I actually love it. At least my Te likes to try a bunch of stuff to see how it works out :-) Thanx as always Super Dave!
I'm kinda looking at it from a uni assignment or work project perspective, whee you HAVE to pick an idea and work with it. You have to decide and plan on ONE and research and write a report with facts to back it up. I think that's probably why I hated uni assignments. They give you 6months or even 2 weeks to decide on ONE. I think my opinion is, there are many ways to skin a cat and some are equally valid, some more efficient than others. So i'd go for the easiest, most efficient one. As long as it works at the end, doesn't matter. It can be upgraded later, improved on, but that's gonna cost time and money. Do I Sound Ne?
No INTJ is going have any value for what's superficial. Why? Because they can see through the details and understand what's going. They read between the lines. They skim data to find the nugget they need. Or they observe Se, the process, to understand how it works. What makes an intj the jack of all trades? They watch to understand, they don't have to "do" to understand. Si people have to repeat processes to learn them. Ni people can watch anything and know how it works.
Im confused bc intj and intp have. Nothing in common when it is about functions but... Ni + te and ti + ne , they kind of look similar now .. and im confused more about am i ti user or ni? Am i te or ne?
Hello can someone define this rant I had before regarding creativity and whether I have ni or ne? How do I fix my imagination. I'm supposedly right brain..yet I have zero imagination, I can't visualize anything until I see it first please help. I've been told all my life I have creative ideas and am really creative in general but I'm not, I can't come up with anything. I just take from others. For instance, this book I'm writing only came into my head after I watched lord of the flies, its the same concept. The many youtube channels I made, one was made after I got into watching youtube gaming videos, its based on gaming, the next is spiritual because I watched spiritual videos, the next is animating because I watched animating videos, and the next one is singing because I watched singing videos. I just get all my ideas from others. My political opinions change to fit my familys. My religious views are the same. I'm spiritual around my mum, but around my brother I'm athiest. I have no idea what I truly believe with anything ever. I do have opinions sometimes but they are litterally taken from my family, so I argue their opinions online with people... and get into several arguements so Ig I shouldn't have any opinion at all. I come up with one idea and just go with it. Its not that I am an underthinker, its that I think too much but its not in the good way. Rn I am just saying my thoughts blindly outloud but you have to understand that this side of me where I'm really impulsive and say whatever comes to mind is a lot better than the side of me that spends hours just spiralling on one thought and just can't move on, and then when I do move on, I just overthink something else than something else and then I'm spiralling again and in some kind of identity crisis so yeah I would rather just say something and then not think about it because thinking hurts so much and I'm sick of thinking because I just overthink everything and I don't want to anymore. And maybe that overthinking downward spiral is why I can't come up with any ideas because I'm too busy being anxious? Or maybe I do come up with multiple ideas but the thing is I can't figure out what to do and what to think because too many ideas and which one is the right one? which one will not get me into conflict. Which ones the smart idea. Wheres the idea that will be worth thinking about. Because usually my thoughts are not worse thinking about, because I just overthink stupid things so what am I supposed to actually waste my time thinking about, what is the right way to think vs wrong. Who am I. Define creativity. How do I know if I'm supposed to be overthinking a certain idea or if its just my anxiety? How many times am I going to search up "How to be creative" "how to get multiple ideas" When I still have the capability to come up with random shit in my head. But it seems like I overthink them to death so its better I don't think too much. But when I don't think at all, I just say whatever comes into my head usually just to make others laugh or see if they will think I'm smart now. But it gets me into trouble sometimes and I'm called impulsive for it and I hate it. So yeah help I don't get this. And I'm not going to proof read this because its just going to lead to me overthinking whether I should rewrite everything and change my entire opinion and worry you'll hate me forever or just send it how it is. Just sending how it is will get me in trouble for being impulsive but I really can't think about this right now because I'm sick of thinking. And btw why even come up with creative and cool ideas when other people are so much better at it than me? Why even come up with them when I'm just going to disagree with them the next day. Or obsess about them for days only to completely drop them out of nowhere. Thinking every idea possible ever leads e to having a moral bloody crisis.
definitely not ni, i always change my way of acting through any situation and somehow manage to do what i intended in the end lol. but i don't think it's ok, it would be better to be sensor
ibanezmonsterg The feminine charge on the N simply means the guesses are movable. Whether your guesses are moving around among the new guesses coming in from the outside world (f-Ne), or whether the guesses are moving around your known box of narrowed-in guesses (f-Ni). Upon first glance at someone’s behaviour they could look the same, as soon as they go flaky on their guess/concept, you’ve got evidence for f-N, but only by further observing their behaviour over time, will you grasp either their known box of limited guesses they keep returning to (updating and refining slowly), or their need to constantly replace old concepts with new ones (updating and refining on the fly).
It's the Sensor dominant types who want you to believe that Ne/Ni is "just guessing". Then, we live your lives in doubt, always relying on concrete data or facts...that are usually outdated , btw.
“You have Ni or Ne.... so does your mom”
😂😂😂💯
Monty Python
@@cass8330 cass
Your mom has Ne or Ni, that's no lie.
I collect guesses. They're like pokemons
pokemans
@@TommyZommy But I don't want to poke you, man
@@Layniacsofficial man im gonna poke a spokesman, spoke the man to the pokemans
theres so much more to be done here but I'm too lazy. so please continue it.
@Soul Sin ENFP? (and yes, I intentionally waited with my answer bc of the last thing you said)
@@interycreeper1152 nope. ENTP
The video: N - I or N - E
My brain for no reason: nii or neh
I definitely have Ni. I get so fixated on an idea or theory that I push out any contradictory information.
tests always rank me high on ne but watching this i think i'm more of an ni user
@@sherbetlemons it’s probably because you had issues applying veganism in your life and i think with enough research you can be a vegan without getting sick just like milions of people do :)
Being close minded isn't necessarily an Ni thing.
That just sounds like confirmation bias lol
@@antheia__ i was thinking the same. I think that, as Ni is introverted, we also view the things as Ne does, we make a lot of guessings, but we share only the one we think it's more correct and focus more on this one guess, maybe i am wrong because i am still learning about cognitive functions, but it's logical that an Ni "user" is gonna share less
Cant tell you how glad I am for this Dave, IHATE NEW IDEAS comming in when I am trying to establish a pattern, it feels like im trying to lay a puzzle and people come and kick away the table
Sam School Exactly
But why not start a full puzzle instead of waiting until you run out of pieces and realize 10 are missing before starting one with all the pieces. INFP w/ Ne
This right here! 👍
It might be the reason why interruptions frustrate me so much when I am focused.
U sound like Si>Ne
me rn bc I thought so strongly I was an INTJ and had so many facts and had finally narrowed it down and had eliminated almost any doubt….. and then someone came along and was like “you’re an ENTP” and now I feel like I have to start ALL OVER AGAIN
Mom: talks a lot about a hundred concepts (Ne) in a very excited way
Me: well, nice, but what's the point? There's a conclusion to all these ideas, right? (Ni)
literally same
I think that's a much better description
It seems to be like looking at possibilities (Ne) to probabilities (Ni) and seeing which one you value more.
Justin Lane what happens if you see a lot of possibilities along with their probability but you choose the less probable stuff because you make irrational decisions lol
@@anniehuang6321 Ne + Ti = possibilities first then probabilities. So they get both.
Fi Focuses Possibilities Into What We Value More..Ni Is More Like A Deeper Intuition Vision Of A Specific Insight
I only value the most probable one and disregard the others. I am an INTJ.
@@raihankameel320 what if I look at probability first, test it against logic and then I cement it as most likely probability
So here is my way of looking at Ni vs Ne, and it's pretty simple.
Ne: Starts with one idea or guess and begins coming up with seemingly infinite guesses from there.
Ni: Starts off looking at all of the data it can pull in and narrows it down to fewer and fewer guesses, eventually settling on one that seems more likely than the others to us given what data we have.
To say that Ni always narrows everything down to one guess seems a bit narrow minded. We prefer to gather everything we can first, hence Se being on an axis with Ni. Then we will go ahead and narrow it down as much as possible. Ne users do not want to narrow it down usually, they want to keep expanding it at all possible. That's just my 2 cents on it anyway.
That's so spot on!
You explained it beautifully 😊
Ni doms only ne 1st, 2nd, or 3rd making plan in seconds, but 2 plan with percentage of winning, ni 2nd 3rd (dont worry i have plan for u all, damage happens, ni saves himself only) or ni gives a plan, (every one why?) ni-- mumble
Entp me gives 3 plan my istp enfj parents dont even uses their ni, they took all three of them, while told everyone it was their plan, from then in danger dont u worry i know u have a plan
In danger
One of them tell me the big plan for everything
Whaat?(😅)
Meaning ne can made plan for others, except ni dom, ni only care about Himself
thanks. i didn't really understand the video, but your explanation makes sense.
I am soooo Ne. I hate narrowing down a single option and am always looking for ways to adapt those guesses to the new information.
Crazy ENFP 🤣
Peacock
Profile pic checks out 😂
-from a fellow Ne dom
heeellll yes I'm very very ne as an infp
I couldn't function without narrowing my options.
Ne sounds exactly like my mom shopping. “Oh come on I know you chose which jeans you want to buy but look at these ten new ones to try on!” and we’ll have mini arguments about me not wanting to “try more options” once I’ve made a decision (sometimes she’ll suggest things she KNOWS I’ve already dismissed but WHAT IF). Knowing functions is VERY helpful because I’m Ni dominant and much more inclined (in shopping anyway) to be like “screw it if I’m missing something else, I had this specific thing in mind and I’ve found it/didn’t find let’s leave.” I can’t imagine deriving pleasure from having MORE options in this context, lol.
Oh
DAMNNNNN
Omg the exact same argument has happened multiple times with my mom.
OMGGGG yess!!! This is exactly me and my mom and my Ni is in tertiary position (isfp), i can't imagine types with Ni as their main function, that would be sooo painful
I'll be like "Yeah, I don't need to do any more shopping, I have the shoes I want". Ni.
I appreciate this channel so much. It just sucks that we see what we see and it take so long for people to understand. Ni is so fast to project that sometimes i can't explain how i know what i know. Dave you are awesome!...
So lemme get this straight, NI doms work with what they currently have to find the best answer (final conclusion) while NE doms are trying to break the matrix by increasing the number of options yet have trouble in selecting or singling out a single best solution?
Ne - all the cars
Ni - THE car
Se - all the car parts
Si - this car part fits here...
Ne doesn't have a preferance or personal favourite, but loves to have several options for any given situation.
Ni is total glasscannon, only one model that should solve and "just work" in any given problem or situation
Take mbti for example, even if mbti would be the optimal system that explains everything, Ne would get doubtful and bored, searching for different paths to explain the same psychological behaviours in other ideas or theories
So in short, yes, what you wrote is true
I feel like it's a scale, not absolutes. Like Ni dom would still use some Ne, especially at start, he would just make up his mind rather quickly. Meanwhile a heavy Ne would take ages to pick an option, but eventually would pick one option and resort to Ni. I'm actually quite confident of this realisation right now..
For example I was buying a TV table, as a Ne secondary I had dozens of tabs open and took a couple hours of deciding to pick one option. But eventually I was so certain of my choice that I just ordered this specific table and imagined that if somehow the order wouldn't go through and they told me no, I can't order that one, it would be exhausting for me to go back choosing other tables, because after a lot of searching this was my clear favourite. So after exhausting my Ne, which took a few hours, I finally resorted to Ni. This is such a huge revelation. Its exactly the same logic as social introversion or extraversion, even introverts get exhausted of being alone after a while, even if it can take weeks of being alone like in my case, and can briefly resort to a more extroverted behaviour.
I do the ni thing but I have no big dream, I have 500 big dreams in my future, I want to do every career, I want to do every subject, I want to learn everything yet I apparently have ni?
I think I just went through a mind-blowing moment. So I have a sister that I suspect uses Ni. When we tell stories on the go, she tends to stick to one concept and build from there. Whereas I think of a scenario and plan for that thought, but then eventually I go off script and think of a better fit for my story.
My train of thought:
I definitely have Ne. Wait, unless I have Ni and me having Ne is the one idea I'm trying to find support for. What about that one time I thought I might be gay? I looked at all the ideas to see what mighy fit me. Ne! But I might have had a bias towards the sources that said I was gay, therefore actually Ni. BUT I never would have come across the gay idea if I hadn't been looking for new ideas in the first place. Ne again. But now I'm chasing this one idea of sexuality down a rabbit hole. Ni.
... I can sit here all day coming up with more ideas about which type I might be while literally never settling on one of the other. I think I may have answered my own question 😅
Also, turns out I'm bi.
Probably.
Well, I'm gay and sure of being a Ni dominant. lol
I think you're a Ne user haha.
I'm a Ni dom and when I realized I was bi I thought "okay if I kiss this girl and I like it I'm bi" I liked it and I was like "oh, okay" and I haven't had any doubts about that then.
I see both ne and ti in your comment. Maybe you are an entp
@@minjoolee2231 thanks, I've considered ENTP and ENFP. Can I ask where you see ti in my comment? I have a hard time differentiating te logic vs ti logic.
@@nebulasofia that's good to know! I kissed a girl and liked it and have spent literal years coming up with hundreds of different scenarios that could explain why I would feel the way I do if I was gay, straight, pan, or bi. My head is a nightmare 😂 I envy the comfort you must have after coming to a conclusion with Ni. My Ne doesn't allow me to ever reach a real conclusion.
So basically, Are you trying to build a pyramid (Ni), or are you trying to grow a tree (Ne)?
Added: This comment was just based on this video (and probably a few other ideas mashed together). I’m not sure if this is or should be considered to be accurate. It was supposed to be more of a question than an alternative explanation.
That's a very creative explanation
username is even related lol
OMG this is really helpful
A tree looks like an upside down pyramid though.
I’m not open minded at all when I have a guess
I get pretty locked in with Ni and when Ti comes in and makes it personal, nothing sways me unless I’m completely wrong but even then I’ll still defend my thought process fiercely
INFJ NiFe
It's cool that you noticed that.
Like, there are tons INFJs who, very ironically, won't ever consider the possibility that they are not open-minded. And "get locked" like you say on that idea.
SpyMonkey3D lol and to think I thought I was an ENTP for years
I was seeing myself backwards because I wanted to be open minded
lol, I cant even be sure at all xD. Its like I'm constantly mediating and negotiating between the possibilities and they are never 0% or 100% possible. Only something between. When they don't make sense they drop heavily tho and are discarded in the weak depths of my memory or forgotten. Its where I start to argue, but I still try to make a model of the ideas that someone suggested even if it would go against my conclusion (this is based on debating poem interpretation, but it funnily also applies here. I have my doubts about DSPs ideas, but I still try to understand it)
ENTP
So infj can be the ones the most removed from reality. Way off in la la land.. misunderstood and demonized.
@@Baamthe25th Well, Ni isn't necessarily closed-minded, it's just only open-minded within an ever-narrowing, ever-consolidating backdrop.
Finally! Thank you so much for this simple explanation of Ni and Ne, nobody seems to explain Ni the same way. So I’ve been stuck trying to type myself and the facts and guesses explanation cleared it all up for me. Great help, thanks so much!
I have been around Ne doms and while I generally appreciate their approach, I find myself becoming exhausted by the constant "what about this and what about that" commentary.
I prefer to pick a path and if it proves to be the wrong choice suffer the consequences, regroup and pick again. For better or for worse my wiring works that way.
I get exhausted around both those types of thinking
@@aWERFRGT6545BGFG That probably means you are not Ne or Ni dominant. They are probably lower in your cognitive function stack. Have you taken the MBTI type test and if so, what results did you get?
@@BurgundyandBlue1111 I get my highest score with ne but In real life I don't seem to use ne much, like I come up wtih good ideas once a moon and the way I talk is sorta ne but not really. The only ne thing I really do is that I'm good at not deciding things because I can see how both ways. I can't be a low stack ne user because my si isn't good and I don't use fe that much, I'm too chaotic and disorganized to really be isfj or esfj.
And for ni, I'd say I can have gut moments sometimes but I doubt those moments as I get the thought that maybe its just anxiety, and I can predict a movie I guess but I also overthink it and don't seem to have a one track mind. But I can't have ne because I can't brain storm at all and sometimes I prefer things to have a simple answer that can be elaborated on rather than lots of ideas. And I'm not sure about ni in lower stack, possibly Isfp here? no clue, I don't think about the future at all, I constantly think about the past but I don't want to think about the past, I keep relating the past to bad things so I hate thinking about the past.
I also don't day dream, its more of intrusive thoughts where I just imagine death of someone and then I become really sad. And someone said that was possibly inferior ne but I have no idea...
My results
Ne (extraverted intuition) 40.4
Ni (introverted intuition) 31.2
Se (extraverted sensing) 25
Si (introverted sensing) 27
Te (extraverted thinking) 15
Ti (introverted thinking) 21
Fe (extraverted feeling) 31
Fi (introverted feeling) 38
@@aWERFRGT6545BGFG Good evening. Thanks for sharing this info. Some MBTI experts say we often do not value what comes naturally to us. I would say for a long time I didn't value Ni, but when I stepped back and objectively observed my behavior, I was using it more than I cared to admit.
Also, you could be a personality type and it is just not functioning in a "standard" manner. For instance, your functional stack as listed above doesn't show a clear link to a personality type which leads me to believe that, whatever type you are, it isn't functioning in the order presented (Objective Personality RUclips channel has a lot more information about the Blast, Sleep, Play and Consume model for MBTI cognitive functions).
Usually you aren't annoyed by your top function though. You just may not think about it. From reading your comments, you seem super clear on what you like and don't like, which is often an Fi behavior. Also, it's pretty high in your cognitive function stack. I would not be surprised if you were an INFP that is lead sleep (Fi-Si). It would make you consciously access Ne less. Just food for thought. 😊
@@BurgundyandBlue1111 I really love the way you took apart another user’s type in the comments, and I think your assumption is solid! That’s so cool 🤩
This channel is underrated wtf, I have been wondering on better definitions of functions for years and this is it!
I thought I was an NI user, but now I simply don't know. I feel like I'm kind of both, because I like exploring new guesses, but I also like digging those guesses. And then it also depends on how I feel or how hurt I am. The more hurt I am, the more Ni I become. Would obsessing over something count as something relating to Ni? Because then I hit another roadblock, as the more obssessed I am, the happier I become... Man, this thing gives me headaches...
Same. Did you ever figure it out?
@@sparkstudies1675 NOT OP, but did I am an Ni with anxiety and ADHD so... Op is probably Ne Dom because they become Ni when hurt while when I am calm I become way more Ni than I. Under pressure
You can be both
I would say the big flaw of the Ne is also that since they don't dive deep into an idea, they always stay at a surface level regarding the multiplicity of ideas they have and thus, they can struggle to develop the full potential of the ideas they guessed and even miss the benefit of it. Similar with Ti/Te. That can also be a big problem in studies or to improve your knowledge on topics. That should be addressed in the video cause it has consequences.
Ne does dive deep into an idea IF it is linked with an introverted function in the first 2 stacks, e.g Introverted Feeling or Introverted Thinking, because it's able to look at those ideas and navigate through its good or bads, or advantages and disadvantages. So you can't really talk about Ne alone as a function unless you pair it with something and then it's definitely gonna come in handy especially during a tough situation where someone just can't find hope in anything, Ne is beneficial to consider that many possibilities can be considered, and eventually picking something that is for your own or in general benefit using one of the two (Ti or Fi). Ni or people who use it, can navigate sure but it will get stuck up often and not be able to move on from something bad and will even be stubborn and think they are right and that there's no way out, realistically.
if u have autism then a ne user does deep dive into an idea 100%
@svtcarat6386 Thanks for bringing some precisions but I was talking about the Ne function alone, not coupled with an introverted function. Of course, an individual with the Ne function in the first 2 stacks can dive deep since it is necessary to function properly as an individual. But it will come from the Introverted Feeling or the Introverted Thinking, not the Ne itself. Thus it will be able to look at those ideas and navigate through their good or bad, or advantages and disadvantages on the Feeling or Thinking aspect respectively, not on the intuition itself which is what Ni does with statistics and predictions. Talking about Ne alone as a function was the point of the comment, as it's done in the video cause we need to in order to define it. That's true except it can become a struggle when Ne will consider many possibilities without exploring them in their entirety first and foremost and will miss the full potential to prioritize something else that might not be as beneficial. In the same way, Ni people can not stay stuck up and move on if it is linked with an extraverted function in their first 2 stacks, Extraverted Feeling or Extraverted Thinking, because it's able to overlook those ideas and the bad if they're not worth it. Ni or people who use it will be *obstinate when they see the full potential of an idea others who stay on a more surface level can't get and why this is realistically the more profitable way to pursue even if others exist. Ni is beneficial to consider that some possibilities are better than others, and eventually find the best one(s) for your own or in general benefit by using either Fe or Te.
@bethanysingsmrs849 People with autism can manifest an obsessive-compulsive disorder but I recommend just counting on their shadow Ni for Ne users.
@@kyurei4478 I must be isfp instead of infp because I am always overresearching topics, dont drop a topic till im finished researching it which is never, always forgetitng info i just retained (also have adhd). From what I noticed is that autism has this tunnel vision type of thinking at times, where we obsess over the ssame topic and that seems like ni, ni must overtake ne for ne users. I just think typing cognitive functions when you have autism is pretty mcuh impossible. Even harder when you also have adhd.
Wow... so Ne. I love poking holes in ideas and need others to do the same for me (so they can find facts for me too). I've noticed many don't like when you break their perspective, and supervisors aren't always excited about point out their system isn't optimized 😅
sameee :D :D
I wish I could settle on a guess, but often I switch after having decided on one for a bit, then I have to start all over again. I think it's an all right stratagy.
You should do a video on how different dom types interact or perceive each other (expand on the Si people are easy to listen to, etc). As there’s a few Si doms I know who get easily frustrated talking to me as I don’t value the organization of facts as they do, by either dismissing the relevance of certain facts they bring up or how I bring up a pattern with unorganized facts.
And an estj and intp who live together, who are at each other’s throats when the latter pushes through the formers reasons so much so that the former goes into ego defence, which leaves the latter bewildered. Hahaha
As an INTP using Ne, every fact or theory I learn, however convincing it may sound, is first put through a heavy process of scepsis where I try to disprove and play with what I've just took in.
Facts itself may be objectively true, but when their used to prove a pattern I often see flaws cause not enough things where taken into consideration. But then again it makes it harder to explain said flaws because theres just so many connecting things. (Is it even fully possible?)
As a footnote, I think knowing the absolute truth is not really possible, even if you always look at a bigger number of facts and viewpoints. There's just always something missing, but there's no reason for not trying at least.
exactly. When I learn a new theory i need to find its bounds: where it connects with other things and where it breaks down. and no “fact” is ever necessarily a fact-if it came from a study, how was it executed? is there something else that isn’t being taken into consideration that could be causing this? Why doesn’t this other related theory make this new one trivial? What’s the difference? How do they work together? etc etc.
also, your footnote is exactly how i look at life.
(also intp)
You sound like the real deal. I see Ne in the same light. There may be something that I would prefer to look at in a certain way, but I never think that I'm totally right. I don't even want to be right per say, I just don't want to go along with something just because some unconscious judgment of mine prefers it that way. If I'm moving towards a truth that is self-evident and consistent and fool-proof, well, that's all I want I think. People tend to be so hard and fast about a person's type, it ticks me off. Sometimes I think "If I do try to finally do a chore for my parents today, it will come up when I'm talking type with people on discord. They will use the fact that I did something physical to justify typing me as a sensor. I almost call myself a conservative, so there I'm an SJ. I seemed pissed with them so they conclude I'm an ISTJ, or ISTP". Look, I don't trust any one source as being the complete answer for a person's type. After allowing others to type me multiple times, I've decided that people are generally just better off just typing themselves and taking that process slowly. Honestly, I think I would make a good typist though. My goal is for the other person to see what I'm seeing. If they don't see it, I will never give up on trying to get them to see it, and I won't be too pushy about it either. If they don't believe it, then it does them no good.
The funny thing to me, the stupid thing, is that anyone can be conservative. Anyone can eventually do physical chores, especially if they have to in order to not piss their parents off too bad. What they should wonder is why someone is motivated to do something? I live in a very Democrat-voting area and most of the people I interreacted with at school were Democrats. I had a close family member that was Republican, an ISFP, and no close one's that were Democrats. Essentially, I went with the person I was closer to and argued all the time with the Democrats at school. It's not that I think they're wrong per se. I can create a good argument for their side. Ultimately, my vote is more of a cultural FU. If I lived in an area where most of the people were bleeding hart Republican-loyalists, I would get sick of it and become more moderate. For fucks sake, I actually voted for Sanders in the 2016 primaries and never bothered to unregister as a Democrat.
Anyways, I made a video about why I thought that I was ENTP. I made it just to do something and didn't take it too seriously. It was just a thought process. Someone commented that I clearly wasn't an ENTP because they "just know themselves" and "are never conservative". Something like that. Such BS. The first reason sounds like Fi, not Fi trickster, never conservative? Never in any circumstance more conservative than the people around them? LMAO. I read shit, I try to get better. I take time, I love helping people, just telling them how to start probing for their type. Then there's people like that guy who just jump in and say he knows "our kind" and that I'm not one of them? LMAO. It doesn't change my opinion much since I already thought that 90% of "ENTPs" are ENFPs, ESTJs, ESTPs, and other mistypes.
Every type function stack I check, it always seems to me like INTJs has the perfect functions all in the right order.
Ni- Mental Thought Pounding.
Te- Let's Get this shit straight.
Fi- My personal Morales.
Se- Sensory Present Reality.
I think if INTJs just train thier sensors and push themselves to get comfortable around it, they'll become total beasts and nearly nobody will be able to compete with them because of these powerful placement of these function stack...
And I say to INTJs that start to look all the functions as a whole like in this way
- Ni Te
- Fi Se
- Ne Ti
- Fe Si
And start to train them collectively to push your Agendas all towards that Ni based vision, would be so much Powerful!
Can you not bring my mom into this -_-
I think he meant your mom and dad say it like giving birth to a child.
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😂
I’m intuition your mum.
Do you know what i did with her last night? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I DID?
I always try to aim for the thermal exhaust port on Ni users
This is by far, the best explanation of this topic.
Ni to the core... Just don't topple my house of cards. 😅
As a Ne user, very true... I love guessing XD life becomes a fun game of what's gonna happen next
There really is always a "truer" way;-} I admire the focus of Ni, but yeah, my Ne is always looking around there corner, over that mountain, past the clouds, etc... and sometimes HELL YEAH, I find the best path and I know it and I am so glad I didn't invest in those substitute options. There are times, I wish I had made *something* happen... maybe, but not really. I like being nimble and light of foot. I can get down to brass tacks when I really need to do so.
Ni and really proud of it! Always been let's took this one and make of it the best possible then to scatter on thousands sides and do/learn nothing actually. You can only learn if you go deep, not wide!
I definitely get fixated on single ideas and block out contradictions, I'm not very open-minded and tend to get stressed when a hunch of mine fails and I have to go back and look at separate possibilities. Keeping things 'up in the air' is also very annoying to me, as I prefer to choose a single option immediately and don't like wasting time debating or picturing alternative options. However, I'm not the most organized thinker, I can come off as lazy (which I'm actually not, I just find doing certain things useless, I tend to use lots of energy on the things I'm interested in), and am a procrastinator (since I have more important things to deal with, I'm not the best at time management). Would this be Ni or Ne? I'm kind of conflicted.
This has proven to me that I'm really an Ne user
Whenever I wanna get information about something, I always ask myself "But why my final guess ISN'T right?" or "Are there any better guesses?"
-ISTJ
This is the best video on the difference between Ne and Ni.
I've been trying to really grasp the difference between these two for a while (myself being an Ne user) and just had an epiphany that I think explains it in a way that feels concrete and experiential for me vs. abstract.
Both Ne and Ni want to understand the generalized rules or "concepts" behind things. They want to understand how the specific thing they're perceiving (event, object, information etc.) fits into the larger scheme of the world. What is it an "instance" of? For both Ne and Ni, things are only meaningful when they're "an instance" of a particular pattern or framework. When they exemplify a particular concept. I never resonated with the description of intuition as "pattern recognition", because my own Ne never felt that way to me - I never felt like I was going out "looking for a bunch of patterns", and if you asked me to tell you about some patterns I saw in the world, I couldn't tell you anything. But if I reframe "recognizing patterns" to mean that every time I come across something, I try to understand "what concept it's an instance of" (i.e. where it fits in my framework of the world), then that makes perfect sense, and it's something I feel myself doing all the time.
Now, both Ne and Ni are trying to understand what concepts the things they're seeing and experiencing are "instances of". The difference is where they focus their attention.
For an Ni, they focus on the concept and hold that as their constant. So they're looking for many "instances" of one concept. Information is meaningful to then when it can be applied to that one concept, which they often hold as a universal truth. So the way they use "pattern recognition" is by finding as many instances of their one concept, and using those instances as data points to refine their concept.
Ne's, on the other hand, focus on the "thing", and hold that as their constant. So instead of trying see how many "instances" fit into one concept, they're trying to see how many concepts fit into this one instance. They want to know how many different angles they can take to look at something, and what they can learn about what this instance "means" from each of those angles. So they use "pattern recognition" by finding as many concepts for their one thing, and using those concepts to highlight and illuminate different aspects of that thing.
So to conclude, Ne and Ni are both applying generalized concepts to the things they perceive in order to understand them. But Ne's just care about the thing that's right in front of them, and want to understand that thing as thoroughly as possible by applying different lenses to it (which gives them a strong structural understanding of things, for those of you who are familiar with socionics), while Ni's care about understanding some deeper truth about the nature of the universe, and use the things they see or experience as tools to refine that truth or vision.
Is that why Hitler as an INFJ was so obsessed with his one idea of national socislism even though it lead to disaster because his Ni dominant mind refused to believe he could be wrong. Also for example his stupid decision to invade Southern Russia instead of Sacking Moscow which was the beginning of his downfall. He refused to listed to the advice of his Generals who were more Te/Ti or Si/Se dominant. I'm not saying Ni is bad. Ghandi was also an INFJ and his stubbornness with his one Idea brought about a peaceful liberation for his country from the British Empire.
WoW! Never saw Hitler as INFJ, but I believe you're right... holy... haha wow
"You gotta keep your mind open to the possibiliries!"
"Boomie, you're a mad genius!"
I prefer to use the term POV, than guesses. Since it's more "Wait, if we look at it this way or that way" than plain guessing. Basically, like how Michael Pierce explained it.
Say, you find an object somewhere, Ne reaction would be turning around to see all the options, examine all angles, all the POVs, while Ni would just stay where it is, and work from that one POV.
Dude good example!!!
I think context matters in this situation. I believe I have been focusing on my Si recently, and it really helped me narrow down options and figure out which path is the best out of all the ones I’ve thought about.
My thinking seems more Ni when it comes to taking care of my body like hygiene related stuff, food or figuring out the best workout for me at the time. I used to not care much about taking care of myself, and sometimes I still find it a bit tedious so I would rather just have one thing to fall back on. I’m not rigid about it if something else comes along and convinces me that there’s a better solution, but I’m also not actively looking for a different solution.
If it’s something I care more about like stories and/or challenging my beliefs about the world, then by all means I’m open to anything.
Not sure if that made sense, but if someone uses Ne a lot, I don’t think it’s only all about gathering information. If we want to function in this society, it’s important to still make a decision and have certain habits that’ll help fuel our minds to create more (like eating healthy food, sleeping at least 6 hours or working out).
so for example If I preferer while designing to stick to my best idea (out of few that pop out to my head, but I choose only one -in my opinion best one ) ,and make it work even if during the process it will turn out a little bit not practical, or hard to achieve, but I will still try to dig it more , just to make it work, Is this Ni ?
What if you are interested in new avenues of guesses to explore not so much for the joy of exploring them - although that's cool, too - but because you want your ultimate guess to be as accurate as possible? Is that Ne in the service of Ni?
so , from what i have gatered here , both Ne and Ni are influenced by a decider be it introverted ( i choose this one guess out of the many / i work on this guess because I like it / is the the definitive best for me ) or extroverted ( i choose this one / work on this because other pepole like it/ it makes sense for other )
Ni as fuck. I always stick to the best one and build on that. But soon as it breaks... well lets just say it take time some time to come with new one. Which happens often now when I am young and just entering the adult world.
I'm really either Ni or Ti coz in the past, I REALLY REALLY went into one particular 'worldview' I had of the world and went just all in, and then the results were so so so out of reality. What he said just literally applies to me. I had built a 'fixed idea about how this world is' since I was a child, unconsciously filtering info through that 'one idea'. It's even delusional coz it's like whatever comes your way, you can even not trust yourself to look at that thing as it is, no! You'll be like, yes THAT IS WHY this happened.
Kinda like, you have a "personal truth" about which you're so fixated on, and thats your life and you get really really bad if that 'worldview' comes into light when you realize shit! How can I be so wrong!
I'm not sure if this is what he means by Ni or Ti, but if someone knows they can comment , it'll be really helpful.
Yesterday i went to buy a specific type of alcool with my mom and we went to 3 different supermarkets to find one bottle... Her Ne is exhausting me lmao
In the end she asked me to help her choose between 4 choices, i pointed to a different option(that we'd already seen in another supermarket but here it was way cheaper) and she considered it, but ended up choosing ANOTHER option that wasn't even in her former 4 possible choices.
Ne in a nutshell :- if you can do it, something or someone, somehow, somewhere does it better. find it! integrate it into you quests chest. but don't stop. because, surely, something or someone, somehow, somewhere may do it even better. find it! integrate that too. and repeat endlessly.
Yes!
So, what if you have NI or NE in your Parent position? I have TE NI. According to this, my guesses are narrow and like the river, but my TE is gathering from the outside to then use the NI . So does that mean that I am wide in my fact gathering and then narrow in my guessing functions?
I have Ni for sure. My eyes went directly to the single river.
Well. This just made me realize I am Ni dominant and that me being an INTP is a lie... now I'm confused.
Ne is easy and fun for me when approaching a new situation. You will end up okay as long as you are flexible
I'm trying to figure out if I'm INTJ or INFP. (definitely introverted intuitive Fi/Te axis) I guess, if I do both, but Ne sounds exhausting to me, that means Ni is my preferred function?
My Ni started trembling and screaming as you said MORE OPTIONS AND MORE PATTERNS
That was so easy to understand. Thank you!
Alright fellow typing enthusiasts, type me.
1. I look at all the different patterns
2. I look for which one is most backed up by facts hence most practical
3. I try to fit this new pattern into my preexisting giant spider web I use to navigate in life
4. When new and better information comes I update my previous pattern so I always have the best.
What am I? I have so much trouble determining whether I'm an INTJ or INTP. I think I use Ni-Fi(INTJ) but people say I'm too agreeable to be one. My argument for that is why would I argue with you if I see the good point in yours? I don't need to win an argument to boost my ego, I want to grow and learn, that's it. Also, I don't care how you make certain decisions, therefore, I'm not going to try to convince you to do it my way simply because it's not affecting me, but when the sh*t is concerning me then hell yeah I'll stand up for myself. I'm super open to new things and willing to hear other people's perspective for the purpose of understanding in order to empathize because I don't have that naturally.
I love Ne, I love to discuss ideas and look at other people's viewpoints but I don't value all patterns equally, at least not for myself, other people, I don't care. I feel like I use all 4 (Ne, Ni, Te, Ti) because I play the devil's advocate when I need to but I know that sh*t doesn't work, only one works best for me. To me it's not picking a side it's more like picking the cherry from all the sides.
So... what do you guys think I am?
I think INTP because this is basically me too
i think you are more INTP. INTJ likes a lot being egomaniac, specially in discusions!
This is basically me. I'm not sure whether I'm an INFJ or INFP, though. I can relate a lot to many things (both overall structures, as well as more function-specific in-depth) from both types.
I don't see how that relates to the things Jung said about Ni. He said it was about relating to archetypes and symbols.
What if I'm focused on one guess but I'm scared of being wrong so I do more thinking and researching and end up panicking because of it and usually go back to the same guess?
Ne is my main function and I have polar Ni. Yeah.... You might say i have ADD
I do on paper I am NI, I know everybody can do everything, but I didn't quite understand what that meant until the river example. that I by default pick a "the one" and that "the one" is the one idea I will Champion to death. Anything that isn't far superior to "the one" is stupid and nobody should do it. An samples I am a cyclist I have one brand that I really like. Anyone who suggests someone should purchase their competitor is wrong and I will ridicule them mercilessly. when in reality if you look at the empirical data they're not that far from each other. and one is just as good as the other depending on your priorities. I have to make a conscious effort to remain unbiased, and entertain more than one possibility.
I agree that Ne looks at guesses in a sort of informal statistical fashion, whereas Ni hones is down or only looks at problems that can be honed down.
I don't really doubt my decisions after I have gathered data. I tend to absorb meta data and decipher patterns at great speed. so much so that I am kind of sick of google stopping my internet searches and checking to see if I am a robot or not.
I'm not sure if Ni can be described as an addiction, but Ne sure is.
I think, each savior function can be described as an addiction
Well this video suggests that I should be on Ne-Si spectrum. Previously I used to think 'I take in data first & then try to find the pattern' (I still do that, maybe I have Ne demon & Si saviour?)
How to decide this?
1. I take in sensory data, I give more importance to sensory data & then I like to find pattern.
2. When I try to find pattern, I cannot narrow it down to one, it just feels impractical when there are so many possibilities.
If I do both, which spectrum do I fall on?
1 suggests you're Sensing savior/intuitive demon
2 suggests you're Ne and not Ni. Therefore you're Si/Ne
But really you may not be seeing yourself correctly at all and you could be something totally different.
@@Rinzsuk
I know! Self typing can easily go wrong & that's why it's difficult to come to conclusion. I'm kind of confused between INTP & INFP & to a little extent ISFP. IxxP does seem like the most probable though.
Thanks for your reply though! :)
@@nachiketpargaonkar8646 The struggle is real! Good luck with figuring it all out though!
@Cliven Longsight
But isn't it contradictory to Dave's definition of Se?
@@Rinzsuk
I know right? Thanks again though!
Question. Are people more likely to change religions (or other parts of themselves that are heavily attached to their identity) if they are Ne users?
Yes
This video just proved to me that I def have NI because when I saw the picture of NE, I was trying to sort out that mess out 😂.
so then how does ni and te work in an intj, as the Ni in narrowing, but the second function is expanding on ideas. What would be happening?
Still, very vague, still... Can you do more on this guys?
guys?
@@aWERFRGT6545BGFG can you do more on this, guys
Iam infj(ni-ti)
Before ops i thought iwas entp
But i often eliminate possibilities
I resonate with the Ne description. And I'm an INTP so it checks out.
It is just like these videos. I cannot figure out a thing about this mambo jambo. The author must be a complete opposite to my mbti type. (Not that it is his fault). Because the author's way to present information is not compatible to my way of receiving information. I'd rather look at live examples of what it all means. I must be a sensor because this is sooo abstract! I am lost.
Every time I build an opinion about something afterwards I question it
this is so accurate 😭
I am an INTP but I think that Ti is my demon? my intuition is rlly good and when I answer questions my intuition tells me the right answer but then my thinking comes. I literally just start thinking about the possibilities how my intuition could be wrong and I rather choose an answer from my „logic“ and yep I get it always wrong but when I do listen to my intuition I always get it right? its like those „are you intuitive videos“ there could be three balls and I have to choose which one theyre gonna pick so my intuition is like „pick the middle“ but my thinking say „dont pick the middle cuz yk its the middle“ and I listen to my thinking so I get it wrong
why ya gotta shit on Ne man that hurts XD
gotta start using Si to actually remember the concepts and theories that are stewin in there
Does clicking on this video, still not knowing which one I use first, because I'm so indescisive with the fact that maybe I'm more Ni but still not deciding I'm Ni because of the possiblity that I may or may not be Ne, mean that I'm Ne? Wow. Try understanding that lol
I guess because I keep guessing and even second guessing my guesses depending on if a better guess comes along then I'm pretty sure this ENFP has savior Ne. Please don't make me narrow my choices. It can make me uncomfortable. But. As we have talked about before, narrowing in on a career, a relationship, is where the secret sauce to success is. Love me some (lots!) of possibilities, but I actually picked a career once and it worked out nicely. In the process of narrowing in on another. But yeah. My Ne and Te like to work together to keep my head in the world of possibilities and I actually love it. At least my Te likes to try a bunch of stuff to see how it works out :-) Thanx as always Super Dave!
I think im Ne te user too... How cud i possibly be sure of?
haven’t even rewatched the video and i’m still confused
nvm i was in my element during a guess and check game with my friend where they’d fact check and i’d argue with it lmao
I'm kinda looking at it from a uni assignment or work project perspective, whee you HAVE to pick an idea and work with it. You have to decide and plan on ONE and research and write a report with facts to back it up. I think that's probably why I hated uni assignments. They give you 6months or even 2 weeks to decide on ONE.
I think my opinion is, there are many ways to skin a cat and some are equally valid, some more efficient than others. So i'd go for the easiest, most efficient one. As long as it works at the end, doesn't matter. It can be upgraded later, improved on, but that's gonna cost time and money. Do I Sound Ne?
I am both, it depends on cirmunstances
0:25, wow... simply put it. So awesome!
This is marvelous. Marvelous
No INTJ is going have any value for what's superficial. Why? Because they can see through the details and understand what's going. They read between the lines. They skim data to find the nugget they need. Or they observe Se, the process, to understand how it works. What makes an intj the jack of all trades? They watch to understand, they don't have to "do" to understand. Si people have to repeat processes to learn them. Ni people can watch anything and know how it works.
Im confused bc intj and intp have. Nothing in common when it is about functions but... Ni + te and ti + ne , they kind of look similar now .. and im confused more about am i ti user or ni? Am i te or ne?
This is the most helpful video on this subject I've ever seen. Thanks a lot!
Why types for these functions dosen't exist ? :
FE TI SE NI
FI TE SI NE
NE SI TE FE
NE FI SE TI
FI NE TI SE
etc...
just looking at this makes me so uneasy, none of these are correct
Hello can someone define this rant I had before regarding creativity and whether I have ni or ne?
How do I fix my imagination. I'm supposedly right brain..yet I have zero imagination, I can't visualize anything until I see it first please help. I've been told all my life I have creative ideas and am really creative in general but I'm not, I can't come up with anything. I just take from others.
For instance, this book I'm writing only came into my head after I watched lord of the flies, its the same concept. The many youtube channels I made, one was made after I got into watching youtube gaming videos, its based on gaming, the next is spiritual because I watched spiritual videos, the next is animating because I watched animating videos, and the next one is singing because I watched singing videos. I just get all my ideas from others.
My political opinions change to fit my familys. My religious views are the same. I'm spiritual around my mum, but around my brother I'm athiest. I have no idea what I truly believe with anything ever.
I do have opinions sometimes but they are litterally taken from my family, so I argue their opinions online with people... and get into several arguements so Ig I shouldn't have any opinion at all.
I come up with one idea and just go with it. Its not that I am an underthinker, its that I think too much but its not in the good way. Rn I am just saying my thoughts blindly outloud but you have to understand that this side of me where I'm really impulsive and say whatever comes to mind is a lot better than the side of me that spends hours just spiralling on one thought and just can't move on, and then when I do move on, I just overthink something else than something else and then I'm spiralling again and in some kind of identity crisis so yeah I would rather just say something and then not think about it because thinking hurts so much and I'm sick of thinking because I just overthink everything and I don't want to anymore.
And maybe that overthinking downward spiral is why I can't come up with any ideas because I'm too busy being anxious? Or maybe I do come up with multiple ideas but the thing is I can't figure out what to do and what to think because too many ideas and which one is the right one? which one will not get me into conflict.
Which ones the smart idea. Wheres the idea that will be worth thinking about. Because usually my thoughts are not worse thinking about, because I just overthink stupid things so what am I supposed to actually waste my time thinking about, what is the right way to think vs wrong. Who am I. Define creativity.
How do I know if I'm supposed to be overthinking a certain idea or if its just my anxiety? How many times am I going to search up "How to be creative" "how to get multiple ideas" When I still have the capability to come up with random shit in my head. But it seems like I overthink them to death so its better I don't think too much. But when I don't think at all, I just say whatever comes into my head usually just to make others laugh or see if they will think I'm smart now. But it gets me into trouble sometimes and I'm called impulsive for it and I hate it. So yeah help I don't get this.
And I'm not going to proof read this because its just going to lead to me overthinking whether I should rewrite everything and change my entire opinion and worry you'll hate me forever or just send it how it is. Just sending how it is will get me in trouble for being impulsive but I really can't think about this right now because I'm sick of thinking.
And btw why even come up with creative and cool ideas when other people are so much better at it than me? Why even come up with them when I'm just going to disagree with them the next day. Or obsess about them for days only to completely drop them out of nowhere. Thinking every idea possible ever leads e to having a moral bloody crisis.
definitely not ni, i always change my way of acting through any situation and somehow manage to do what i intended in the end lol. but i don't think it's ok, it would be better to be sensor
Can you be Si (savior) and then Ni?
This channel destroys Ni oof.
so if we use Ne first to gather guesses and use Ni to narrow them is that makes us Ni person?
its probably depends on weight of usage
Would you say that ne-ti can look like ni?
second function have both i and e, its called demonstrative function
What would be the main difference between Ne and feminine Ni, though?...
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The feminine charge on the N simply means the guesses are movable.
Whether your guesses are moving around among the new guesses coming in from the outside world (f-Ne), or whether the guesses are moving around your known box of narrowed-in guesses (f-Ni).
Upon first glance at someone’s behaviour they could look the same, as soon as they go flaky on their guess/concept, you’ve got evidence for f-N, but only by further observing their behaviour over time, will you grasp either their known box of limited guesses they keep returning to (updating and refining slowly), or their need to constantly replace old concepts with new ones (updating and refining on the fly).
Thank you very much now I know, I'm probably f-Ni user not intp
Love the channel
It's the Sensor dominant types who want you to believe that Ne/Ni is "just guessing". Then, we live your lives in doubt, always relying on concrete data or facts...that are usually outdated , btw.
Lol I have Ne for sure. I definitely prefer it over Ni but fml it's kinda a nightmare because I'm never satisfied!
this account is helping me a lot
I have Ni as my dominant function
Ni dom for sure.
*Me, on the inside so I don't have to deal with others' drama:* FUCK OFF! I'M THINKING!
Wait but intjs have extroverted thinking, so how are ni types inxjs?
Intjs have Te ( extraverted thinking) as thier auxiliary function. Their dominant function is Ni ( introvert Intuition)