Babylon 5: Clarkstown pursues Alexander [4K60]
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- [If you see ads on this, they're from the copyright-holder] Babylon 5 Season 3, Episode 10, "Severed Dreams": The Battle of Orion VII. As the Earth Alliance civil war heats up, Earth-loyal EAS Clarkstown pursues the Resistance EAS Alexander and her Starfury squadron.
AI-upscaled 4K60 test. Still trying to decide if the 60 FPS looks good or not. When I first look at it I think it looks bad, but then when I go back to watch the original suddenly it looks worse and the 60 FPS version seems to look better. Finding the best settings and processing the video takes a long time; I might post more iconic scenes as I re-watch the series.
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I moment of reflection for the poor fighter pilot who dove in the way of the Hyperion's beam weapon. What a hero.
You are assuming he could move in front of a beam weapon, or that he and his ship could monitor the aiming of the Clarkstown enough to known exactly where they were aiming (not possible). He was is in the wrong place at the wrong time .. for him. Great for the ship, but overall not intended. He was a screening force intended to keep enemy ships off their ship. Nothing more.
@@walterengler5709 Why couldn't he move in front of a beam weapon? I believe those beams emit from fixed emplacements, and while the beam fires virtually instantaneously, the Clarkstown needs to line up the shot. I can't say for sure that the beam was sufficiently diffused by the Starfury (if someone has the script handy, it'd be nice to check), but it doesn't seem ridiculous.
@@roguishpaladini think what we can agree on is that the fury that was hit took at least some energy from the beam and that caused less damage on the alexander. intended or not.
If we're all talking about the same clip, 0:12, I don't think he got in the way intentionally. Looks like he was facing the wrong way and just got caught in the blast.
@@walterengler5709 I would keep my fighters in rotation around a capital ship with such weapons in play. They inevitably would be used to add another echelon of shielding.
I remember when I first watched this back in the 90s, we got our first glimpse of the Thunderbolt Starfury.
"This time, we know everyone we kill"
That is the meaning of "civil" war
Then again, you know that they should have known better.
@@danielboatright8887 Who should have known better? The Omega or the Hyperion.
@@Thurgosh_OGOhhh definitely the Hyperion, he was biting way above its weight and a lot of scared people were on that Omega and would eventually be pushed into lethal force to defend themselves. The Hyp shoulda got more backup, retreated, or found a way to cripple the Omega in the first few moments of the pursuit.
It'll be like that, in the next Civil War.
It's been so many years but this is still easily one of the best sci-fi series out there.
Agreed. It helped that there was an overall plan for the series, which was especially evident when stuff that happened in earlier seasons paid off in later seasons.
just watch babylon 5 the road home that was good now going to rewatch all off b5
It's THE best. There was nothing like it before, everything after tries to imitate it.
@@wongkit9579 Yes. As entertaining as I found DS9 when they got into Klingon/Romulan/Dominion/Kardassian wars, B5 was still the absolute best.
still blowing pretty much everything out of the water. I mean, The Expanse is very cool, so is DS9.. but they all can't keep up with this legendary show.
Remember the Churchill(Omega-class destroyer).
Remember her captain Sandra Hiroshi.
Its too late now, we have fires everywhere :(
Well, the captain of the Clarkstown didn't hestitate when he was ordered to attack.
I like to think it wasn't the same guy. That he refused and some lieutenant took over.
@@Brasswatchman In that case, he was probably shot for cowardice and/or disobeying orders.
@@jessecarozza8134 In which case he wasn't killed by the Alexander. He was avenged.
The ships rebelling against President Clark were considered traitors. In the begging not everyone knew of his crimes against Earth.
I don't know if it was intentional, but this high quality clip reveals that they both have stayed unshaven for a day or two. It's like they've both have been on full alert for a long time.
They get a break from being pursued every 33 minutes.
General Hague was meant to be in this episode, but the actor was double-booked by his agent and appeared on DS9 instead.
Ironically also trying to lead a military coup against his character’s government.
It's an interesting fact, for me personally the actor in his place played the role so well I just can't imagine this episode without him.
@@JH24821 Another fun fact, JMS wanted actor Everett McGill to play Major Ryan but he couldn't remember the actor's first name. So the casting director found Bruce McGill and it was too late as they were already starting to shoot the episode.
@@shuboy05 I had no idea. That is definitely a fun fact. I'm glad everything worked out in the end, but that must have been a surprise when the new actor appeared on the set
@@JH24821 Apparently JMS was quite shocked when he came to the set that day only to discover Major Ryan was D-Day from Animal House!
Shows how powerful the Omega class is the way it took a beating and still fairly easily obliterated the older Hyperion class.
And here, what a lot underestimate, how powerful also their countermeasures must be (Interceptors/Screen) if a "direct punsh through the hull" is only possible with the other EA ships screens and interceptors down. Their tech might be somehow conventional, but hell it is extreme sturdy and strong - i once had a discussion with a reasonable (yes there are) Trekkie who after seeing this video admitted that even 24th century phasers would have problems with such strong hull, interceptors and screens.
@@matsch6777 Omega destroying a Hyperion (or more likely the Midwinter refit) with one shot makes perfect sense.
Omega was a crash course program to create a ship that could reliably kill a Sharlin.
It’s weapons had to be significantly more powerful than anything ever fielded by EA before to stand a chance.
Regarding the phasers, I’m not so sure. We’ve seen Enterprise-D phasers blow a large hole in a Borg cube, whereas a Sharlin (more sturdy ship than the Omega) can’t even survive a 2 megaton nuclear warhead.
Besides, phasers operate by destabilizing the molecular structure of matter they hit, and EA has never encountered such a weapon - their armor is primarily designed to protect from charged and neutral particles (much more conventional directed energy weapons).
Chances are that EA’s E-Web system won’t have any effect on the coherency of the phaser beam and it will go through armor like a knife through butter.
@@apollodiomedes203 OK. So where is your facts from the show, JMS or the creators that underline your argument that folks in B5 never encountered weapons like phasers?
Phaser power always was inconsistent throughout the show. Shipsize Phasers that blow wholes in Borgcubes didn’t even scratch or one shot Cardassian warships in DS9. This stupid argument about the 2 MT nuke is also always brought here. Even photon torpedos power was inconsistent. The nukes have been blown in an steroid field and you the Sharlin had its weapons ready to fire. The Debris of the blown asteroids and the energy backdraft of the activated weapon ports will surely also be reason for the explosion.
The E-Web, same with the „shields“
of Vorlons and Whitestars spread and disperse weapons fire. The do so for beam and bolted weapons. Phasers are still particle weapons. If phasers can have problems with SIFs or EM dampening, chances might be indeed high enough that E-web will reduce their power, too.
@@matsch6777 regarding the nuked Sharlin, you might be right.
As I’ve mentioned above, phasers work by disrupting the molecular structure of matter they hit. This is remarkably similar to Shadow molecular slicer weapon, which also disintegrates matter on contact.
Omega wasn’t designed with such weapons in mind. Every inch of that class was dedicated to even the field with the Minbari, who primarily use fusion beams, neutron weapons and antimatter cannons.
Very different principles from the Shadow weapon tech.
Moreover, first ever Shadow battlecrab was discovered in 2253. Omega entered production right at the end of Earth-Minbari War.
The designers couldn’t have accounted for molecule-disrupting energy weapons, as no known races besides the Shadows use them.
And we see that very well in “Crusade”, where a human shadow hybrid vessel effortlessly sliced through a standard Omega in just a few shots. And that wasn’t even a true Shadow vessel.
Which points to a simple conclusion: Omega’s anti-Minbari Carbonat armor and upgraded E-Web are mostly ineffective against molecule-disrupting weapons.
… in one shot!
More Babylon 5 please! Love this series… so hard to get anything of decent quality to download
"Bill, did you ever meet the captain of the Clarkstown?" "Nope! But I just killed him real good, sir!"
I'm still amazed that little bitty ship went after an Omega class and didn't think it will eventually return fire.
Sometime orders don't give the option. "All ships to engage." doesn't give wiggle room, often commanders don't give "only engage if the odds are in your favour" type orders.
They were hunting the Alexander and other rebel ships, so they found Hague and attacked before they could get away. They were in the supremacy from the beginning even killing Hague before the episode began. The Major took an unexpected step and fired directly into the Clarkstown's bow
That "little bitty" ship's two main guns are powerful enough to, in a single volley, gut the Mimbari flagship past it's armored cathedral and take out a good number of the heads off their government including their leader. To put things in prescriptive their flag ship was a basically an up-armored super Sharlin class warcruiser and it almost destroyed by a single volley. Earth ship weapon's didn't have the range of other races and Mimbari ECM and stealth made it hard to hit them but when they did, they did not F around.
While it might not be as new and as flashy as the Omega class, you still do not want to be on the reviving end of one.
This was a general rule in B5 with ship combat, they didn’t do no sells. If a weapon hit then they would do damage. Even with absurd mismatches like Narn cruisers and Shadow vessels.
The only real problem was actually hitting.
The "little bitty" Clarkstown was over kilometer long and massed over a million tons. More than a match for any other Younger Race capital ship bar the Minbari (and maybe the Centauri). I mean, see what the Prometheus did to the Sharlin cruiser carrying the Grey Council; it had the element of surprise, but the cruiser was a wreck.
Not a ship to be messed with trivially.
Hyperion's are good ships but are no match for an angry Omega Class Destroyer.
The clue's in the name.
Destroyer.
Oh my! Now THAT is some 4k!!
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Man. The 4K looks super good. I've got the original DVD collection, but this really tempts me to go get the 4K version.
The fact that the ship loyal to Clark is named "Clarkstown" is perhaps the least subtle and yet most obvious bit of worldbuilding here.
The named ships in the episode are the Roanoake,Alexander,Agrippa,Clarkstown and Churchill. All significant people or places in history (Clarkstown is possibly the first proper town in New York).
In the Battle of Proxima III the ships are the Vesta, Heracles,Pollux,Furies and Nemesis. All Greek myth.
There is a theme here.
@@SantomPh You forgot the Nimrod and the Olympic who are in the second wave of Clark's forces.
Major Ryan knows Clarkstown captain’s Abyssinian cat Max but doesn’t know his owner’s name.
Cats come first.
Y'know what; I don't like that. The interior scenes looked almost like a cheap soap opera set, not the dark, gritty sci-fi drama I enjoyed. I think I'm just going to stick to my ratty old DVDs because it looks more visceral.
If Earth had a fleet of Omegas during the Minbari war plus dozens of Advanced Shadow Omegas, could they have a fighting chance against them?
With regular Omegas... probably not.... with Shadow tech Omegas, yes.
If I recall the Omega's still have the same sensors as older ships so they wouldn't have been able to lock onto Minbari ships.
Actually the Omega class had a more advanced weapons targeting system that could lock onto the Sharlin class Battle cruiser
@@joshua9396 yea they had it back then but only i think like a hand full of ships had the update. But 5 ships against an armada would only hold on for so long.
No. It would look like what the Narns did against the Centauri. The Minbari had more ships with better tech. All the Omegas would do is win a couple of battles instead of just the Black Star.
"It's Outrageous, Egregious, Preposterous!"
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I love this show, but gah are those Hyperion's ugly and puny looking.
Omega's on the other hand...coolest space warship design ever (Battlestars and Star Destroyers close 2nds).
Possibly the best episode in the series. Then again, the same could be said of many of the show's episodes.
Severed Dreams and The Coming of Shadows both won Hugo awards. The Gathering and Sleeping in Light were nominated. Babylon 5, especially season 3, spoiled us with good TV.
I never noticed before how much the ships from Halo cribbed from this show.
"I'll find SOMETHING TO SAY to their TWO WIVES! GOD ONLY KNOWS WHAT!"
"I had to kill your stupid traitor husband."
They shot first.
@@johnwade1095 Yeah but the point is that most of the people on either side aren't evil or bad people, they're just following orders or doing what they believe is right. One side here believes Earth is corrupted and so broke away, the other see's that as treasonous to ever believe but they're not evil people for thinking so. Whole point was to make you think about the cost of returning fire, not justifying it.
@@Druark to be fair, there are some legitimately evil people working for Clark, but yes most of them are loyal officers who probably disagree with what Clark is doing but hoping the system fixes the problem... choosing to ignore that the system has been rigged to serve Clark
B5 at its best. Non of that 'aim for the wrapons, to disable' fluffy Star Trek shit from Major. B5 is & always will be up there with the best sci-fi
The Omega-class: one full mile of 'Do not f**k with me'. They came out just after the Earth-Mimbari War, becoming not only one of the meanest vessels out there but also one of the only ships capable of getting a targeting lock on Mimbari capital ships.
Are you sure about the ability to lock on Minbari?
@@hot2warm improvements to the targeting system made it possible
@@hot2warm Yes.
@rgrimace3859where does this fact come from? In the series or movies, we've never seen Omega successfully engaging Minbari ship. And in the end of this very episode, Omega-class destroyers just fled when Minbari appeared. Not to mention how easily White Star squad just smashed into pieces a group of Omega destroyers later in season 4.
In the Trigati episode, it was the fact that Earth Force ships were getting locks on the Trigati and its fighters - and the tracking system was the XR7 (I think) "same as before the War", which caused Sheridan to NOT open fire on the Trigati
Who remastered that? Brilliant quality.
I've always wondered if the captain of the Clarkstown wondered why the Alexander wasn't using their aft batteries...
If the First Officer had made his speech to the Captain in his Seinfeld "Jackie Chiles" lawyer voice, it would have been epic!
that`s what happens when Hyperion messes with Omega
So the writers / showrunners want me to believe that they only had the choice between destroying the ship or escaping? Nope! Not believable!
I love how I can listen to the dialogue with absolutely no visual and understand exactly what happened.
I was way too young to appreciate this when it aired. Now i want to watch the whole series
Season 1 can be hard to watch, they were still finding their footing. I would find an old guide that details which episodes are must watch and then skip the rest. After that, it's all good.
@@brndnwilks Season 1 is good.. its the harder to watch and slower but its necessary as its what builds the entire game and sets everything in place ..and it actually begins to snowball in S1 ..only very slowly at first ..then S2 3 and 4 happen and you realice how much S1 set in motion..
Even so considering the level of many modern series B5 S1 its still superior to most of them
it was beautiful at the time, and this makes it even more beautiful!
Couldn't their fighters fly through hyperspace?
I wonder what caliber the Alexander's lasers are? Thery are huge!
Wow, those aft batteries were super-effective! They probably should have used them a wee bit sooner.
They were hoping to outrun the Hyperion and not have to kill anymore of their own people.
That is a beautiful thing...
Clarkstown has 'Hyperion' written on her front. Every Hyperion was a Hyperion. Every Nova was a Schwarzkopf haha
sure? i never could make what was in this particar hyperion
@@sparrowlt Certainly looks like it.
weird since they do individualize most of the Omegas
I am going to have to watch this whole series again its been about 5 years
@@TitanshieldGaming "5 minutes"
Fixed it for you.
Disobedient
Up yours
stop putting this crap in 60 fps.
it's filmed at 24 fps and the motion blur is 24 fps. All you are doing is fucking up everything about this CGI.
"lets put 240p24/fps CGI into 4k 60 fps.
Stop it, you are ruining it.
A single shot from the aft battery is all it took. Surely the Clarkston knew they were horribly outclassed, and had to be wondering how they were doing so well, and just how much longer they could be so fortunate...
Usually when you see, say in WW2 (set aside submarine actions as a special case given the stealth involved), a single small ship going after something much bigger, or even a group of enemy ships, it's part of a much larger action where other ships would benefit from whatever the small ship is doing, be it delaying or distracting, and the sacrifice has value. This seems to be a straight-up one-on-one with nobody else nearby, this is a suicide run by the smaller ship for no tactical or strategic value. A senseless slaughter. No wonder the captain was so unhappy about allowing the shot to be taken. It's not only that the people on the Clarkston were people he knew, but also that their destruction served no larger purpose.
Yes, I know the Clarkston managed a lucky shot that killed Hague, but they had no way of knowing they accomplished that. And the killing of Hague wasn't the original intention, that was just because Robert Foxworth bailed on them to go do a Star Trek shoot instead, so killing off his character was JMS's little petty revenge on him for going to the enemy, making sure Foxworth could never return to the show in that same role. Had Foxworth chosen B5 over ST, his character would have stayed a part of the story at least for a fair while longer.
please moar of these 4k babylon 5
An outclassed Hyperion chasing an Omega and not ducking out suggests Clark didn't tolerate failure from his subordinates. Follow orders and you may die or don't follow orders and definitely die.
B5 was epic, interesting, dealt with many existential and metaphysical issues and yet had a lot of fun moments. And seriously creepy moments like Bester casually spacing the unconscious normal human that he was supposed to return to Earth with.
Nothing comes close, though Firefly deserves its own limelight, as well as the entire Founders War story arc in DS9 (which turned an okay startrek series into something far beyond that).
Please please please do this for the main battle in the later part of the episode!
How good is the acting in this episode? Backed up with actually really good VFX.
This looks so good! The indoor sets don't hold up that well, not against series like The Expanse, but the CGI in 4K holds up!
No detail and looks like a soap opera.
Better to stick with the grain and 24/30 fps.
Captain Braxton😊
wish they'd do a remaster of the entire series.
Can you imagine those ships and battles rendered with cutting edge tech?
The files for the original CGI still exist, according to one JMS interview, and the interiors were all shot on 35mm film with a widescreen gate, then cropped to 4:3 for TV, so 4K release is just a matter of rescanning the film and running a 4K render of the CG elements. However, even when the HD/BluRay was done, the funding to do the re-render was blocked from the rights holder, which is why that version has really crap looking upscaled exteriors. The same rights issue is why the most recent movie is animated, instead of Live Action (all the talent still living have commented on being enthusiastic about revisiting the characters) If the rights ever revert back to JMS, it'll probably a couple of months to render, and a 4K release will happen.
@@PiDsPagePrototypes I'd lose all of the CG, entirely. Start over completely with new models and everything.
@@penningtonknickernacker921 Because of which software was used at the time (the precurser to Lightwave, on Amiga), the models import to current software with zero problems, same with the texture maps and the like. Bumping up to raytracing and adding particle effects would lift them straight up to current qualities.
@@PiDsPagePrototypes Actually it won't be close to current standard of CGI - the models and textures are too low res by modern standards. At the very least, they will need to rebuild the 3D models from scratch (using the old models as reference).
Looks today PlayStation 1 or Nintendo 64:ch was the best in 95😮
If only they could upscale the whole series like this it would catch a new audience 100%.
0:11 I love that TV show
Looks amazing!
*I ❤️ BABYLON 5*
This looks so great... and I understand your statement about the 60FPS... but it is mostly because we aren't used to it for films and TV series, but I feel that it is more fluid... sure that a while to get used to it, but it is worth it in the end.
Dear lord, they were so poor that the bridge crew does not even have matching office chairs!
To think the Major went on to be a Boston PD detective
And before this he was a member of Delta house, good old D-Day.
And in the far future, he watches over the timeline with one particular starship captain driving him mad. :D
@@mikespangler98 - And after disappearing from Delta house, he occasionally would show up to help his buddy MacGyver out.
Too bad he didn't check in with Brother Flounder when he got to B5 . . .
Dr. Sam Beckett knew him as a bartender. That's who I see every time I see this actor.
4K yes, 60fps no, the live action scenes look like a cheap soap opera.
The Claarkstown has no problem to shoot and destroy the Alexander
Hyperions can still put up a bit of a fight against Omegas.
Hard to believe this guy was D-Day.
4k? fine. 60fps? looks like crap. looks like a telenovela
Fucking brutal, everybody trying to kill them is legit insane, and everybody fighting for freedom does all they can to NOT kill them.
Almost seems like something going on today...
Looks sharp.
4k yes, 60fps no. Looks like plastic, you can tell the show wasn't filmed for that framerate. That said I've always felt that B5's cgi still looks great for it's age. Bringing it to 4k shows just how much detail we missed out on when the show was broadcast in the 90's; even with models made with lower polygon counts than we see in modern cgi.
Babylon 5: The Soap Opera...
This really just drives home an uncomfortable truth. B5 used primitive CGI and, aside from a few shots, the results still stand up. In fact, I would go so far as to claim that the CGI on B5 is better than a lot of modern big budget movies. Setting aside a few shots where the CGI was stretched too far, of course.
The upscaling is decent, but have to admit the 60fps really makes the show feel much more dated. The Soap Opera effect is terrible.
That's a pretty impressive upscale, I only saw one or two little glitches and artifacts. Great job.
I had no idea that one of Impossible Missions Force Agent Barney Collier's very distant descendants would be in EarthForce!
Surely they could have punched through the hull at any time? Forward interceptors would have been useless against beam weapons? Unless I'm missing something here.
I remember watching this in the 1990s. Absolutely fantastic series - but with quite a bit "lifted" and adapted from Tolkein, i.e., the Shadows scream (B5)/Nazgul scream (Tolkein); Bridge of Khaz'adum (Tolkein)/Za'hadum (plant of the Shadows in B5), the First Ones (B5)/the Maiar (Tolkein), which helped shape the young races (B5)/the world (Tolkein) etc.
CG so god damn bad, even for its time. Yet such an awesome show!
For it's time and budget it was STUNNINGLY good. That was a major plus of the show.
Nonsense, you don't have any clue. You probably weren't around back then. :)
god damn, i have to watch this again. i'm sure i missed a bunch of episodes.
I would like to hope the official Blu-ray release looks this good, but i won't get my hopes up. I'm not a fan of the 60fps though; it gives that motion+ vive, which looks anything but natural; i find hfr with live action, gives it a home made/amateur feel.
No, it looked crap. The interiors were easy remaster from film, but the CG exteriors were all up-scaled from the SD footage, rather then re-rendered.
@@PiDsPagePrototypes I know it wasn't re-rendered, but it stll looks better thzn stock, in my opinion; but as,i say, what i don't like, is that unnatural movment the hfr gives it personally..
@@SpartasEdge Adding in frames, yep, it just doesn't look right compared to classic film & TV - HFR is great for sports, not so much for Narrative productions. But What I was replying about, was the "hope the official Blu-Ray" part of your question, and the official release, looked like crap. There'a whole story about the rights holder not paying to re-render the original CGI - the files to do it exist, they just didn't pay for the render time.
@@PiDsPagePrototypes I know they're not re-rendering the space scenes, mores the pity, because it would have really benefited and been amazing if they had, and i don't even think they're upscaling any of it, though i may be wrong on that one. What i do know,is that they are putting it back into it's original 4:3 format, so it doesn't look squashed in and a bit fuzzy, like the DVD release did.
@@SpartasEdge Only the CG elements were 'shot' 4:3 for the original - All the interiors were shot widescreen gate on 35mm film (Super35 Format) and then cropped for the TV edit.
JMS has had interviews on it, that re-release, it was the rights holders that decided not to pay for the CG to be re-rendered, even though all the files and assests to do it still exist. The same rights holders are also what prevented the most recent film from being Live Action, hence it was animated, felt like watching some of the better episodes. And that's also the same reason there was no scenes in it from Crusade characters and locations.
So why can't they open a hyper space gate go through with their fighters and then retirve them?
When are you going to show the finish of the Enterprise refit project?
D-Day and Jackie Chiles, two iconic comedic characters
wow nice work greetings from germany
60 fps makes it look like a soap. I would keep it at 24.
Acting was .....sub par.
I love B5 but this acting quality is typical of much of the show. Hard to rewatch today I think we expect a lot more.
I'm on S3E1 right now, cant wait to see what happens next.
What a great show. And a potentially a very prophetic show. We will colonize space and other planets. Eventually someone will want to declare independence. Just like the American colonists wanted to break free from British rule.
Very prophetic all right, as in government over reach and censorship over the pandemic.
The Corps is your friend, trust the Corps.
@@mikespangler98 The Corp is mother. The Corp is father. LoL isn't that what Bester used to say?
The majority of British colonists in the Americas (remeber they weren't US Americans back then but British families), were against independance but (as seems typical of modern USA) those with the loudest voices got heard. Many left for Canada and others fought for the right to remain in the Empire.
@Thurgosh_OG Yes that is true. My understanding is that half of the colonists were fine with Brittish rule. But the other half were not.
1:05 You sunk my battleship!
More like 'Your Battleship sunk my Frigate', in terms of power etc.
What kind of idiot captain has his ship attack an opponent who can destroy him with a single shot? Alexander did the fleet a favor by removing an idiot from their ranks.
Considering the gov't, it might have been a situation of "Die in action, or you and your family get executed when you come back." Plenty of defeats of the Soviets, Revolutionary France, and other repressive regimes can be laid at the feet of commanders who knew they would lose but had to attack anyway lest their families be wiped out.
The Clark Government was very "Do this or die" additionally there was a legit hope that the Alexander just wouldn't fight.
On top of that the XO does comment the Clarkstown forward interceptors were offline (exactly how you would intercept a energy beam is a bit hazy but it appears to work) suggestion there had been damage already done. Either way it's not the dumbest action we see in Sci Fi.
Now it is dumb that the Alexander wasn't being chased by a fleet or at least a comparable Earth Destroyer.
So only captain of the other ship meant something and only her widow deserved letter.....
To the officer who knew them personally, yes. That doesn't mean he doesn't feel remorse for the rest of the crew but personal connections to people make a much bigger difference emotionally.
@@Thurgosh_OG Indeed. He didn't want to kill *any* of the other ship's crew at all, until his second hammered home the 'it's them or us' of the situation. And the design of the ship makes it hard to disable without destroying it, especially the way they were lined up.
I don't remember the acting on Babylon 5 being this bad... oof!
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My problem with this is, hundreds of years in the future, so many shots still *miss*? Zero improvement in targeting systems?
Sword and the Shield...there has also been hundreds of years in improvements to electronic warfare, countermeasures, jamming, etc.
At such a close range the gunners should have eyeballed the target, that gets around the sensors being confused by ECM.
No... people still remember how to dodge and in general, move out of the way of bad things.
@@Thurgosh_OG The Mark 1 eyeball will never be obsolete
The space conflict in B5, as written on the page, was conceptualized much more realistically than typical in popular sci-fi. What that means in relation to the question, is battles were in principle happening over very long distances in space. A few times the visual effects scenes indicated this - but for all the visuals were innovative in style at the time, they were still limited by technology and by formatting the action in the CG scenes for a 4:3 frame.
tl;dr - visually ships in B5 were shown being MUCH closer to one another than they were meant to be in terms of story logic. You can tell how large space was meant to be in the dialog - characters will often cite times frames like 10 or 15 minutes until a vessel "closes" even though the CG scenes later show ships in visual range of one another.
I love how starfury's sound like space invaders when shooting