I work in corporate America and have to fight constantly because I'm the black person. Working my ass off, following my dreams, and my skin color matters in more ways than you'll ever know. Keep that hope alive though.
I am so glad this dialogue has finally begun. As recent as 20yrs. ago it was difficult to find information of Black middle class from 1950-1970. Even in the 90's the information was scant.
God bless this woman for REMINDING our ass-backward country there's a world of bifference between race and CULTURE when culture is nothing more (or less) than LEARNED BEHAVIOR!
Human relations take on different forms in different places. For example, I come from a high middle class family in Nigeria, where going to college has not been a question for about six generations. How did we achieve this? When the British came to colonize West Africa, my Yoruba tribe that has been gathering as huge towns for over a thousand years was the easiest entry on that side of the continent. As a result, there was exchange of ideas and acceptance of British culture by the Yorubas. With many people who were returning from Brazil as freed slaves who also had a lot of technical skills, many of our families owned businesses and became part of the ruling class of that time. This of course gave these ancestors of ours leverage to attend the newly created institutions of learning. For many such families like mine, the obligation for each generation to go to college and impact the society positively became seeded in each subsequent generation. Although I was born in Germany, the family move back home to Nigeria when I was about four or five. Of course, I had to learn the national language English, and our native tongue, Yoruba. I really had no idea of racial discrimination until I came to the US. Not that I'm saying that classiscim is better than racism, but I has not experienced racism growing up and was shocked to be a target of it. Given that I had been privileged to take myself for granted when I lived in Nigeria. I have to say, I prefer the privilege of not being judged because of my skin color or my class, but it is enlightening to live in the US now where I am subjected to this by default. I definitely want to be a part of the change. Nobody can fix it for us, but us.
I’d like to add that in many southern states, as per census records in the 1700s, there were African Americans who owned their own lands and moving forward in Louisiana specifically there was a thriving middle class culture of African Americans and French Creoles. There were also African American slave owners in the south.
I think that all of theses questions about black people is really due to the white people wanting to understand how we are still thriving regardless of the stumbling blocks build to hold us back✌🏾
When I applied for graduate school I found loads of scholarships etc that were made available for people of Jewish descent. But I couldnt find any private scholarship for black students. This kind of infrastructure is lacking within the black community. Also, when you look at the allocation of certain funding for black nongovernmental organisations or projects, it seems that those people with the closest proximity to the funding source (on a personal level) seem to be the frequent recipients.
Racism is never going away. Everyone is guilty of being racist to some extent. You can be among your own and be discriminated against for being light-skinned, dark-skinned, being poor, being classed off for being under-educated. I learned this working for 25 years with my own people and living with my whole life among my own people. It was hell. I focus on finding my own tribe. I like those who like me and there is no color line.
My opinion and personal experiences lead me to believe that there are different definitions for Black vs White middle class in the U.S.I believe that the Black middle class has a 4 year degree or greater level of education,regardless of income.The White middle class is defined primarily by income and housing, size of home and neighborhood,regardless of education level
Black Families on lesser end and none high income should began to build family time conversations with children about money, specifically, especially seeing we live in an information age, we can discuss within ourselves our mental health issues. These inward round table discussions are intuitive. Over and Over and Over, Result after Result after Result with Solutions, active ones that are reoccurring for Economic and Community Ownership and Co-Ownerships. I feel like Typing!
@m015094 also I am black and middle class, grew up middle class. Lived in all black area for a portion of my life, other parts I've lived in other countries. I've lived in other states in the US on military bases(military one of the most egalitarian institutions in the US very tolerant, they do not tolerate racism). Anyway its interesting to see because the middle class of blacks is largely ignored. Even my experience people simply think its unusual despite how common it actually.
God help us. We keep saying that we should work together, as long as we keep class going this will never happen. Mankind you do not run anything. God allow people to rise and fall according to his will not yours.
@m015094 it kind of makes sense. a lot of black people who earn their degrees sometimes move back to their old area if their family owns the home. usually doing this can change the income demographic of an area. But also she is neglecting to mention that there are black middle class areas.
Why is there a disparity between middle-class blacks and middle-class whites even present when the distinguishment is not race but instead is socioeconomic status / class?
I'm 19 and have been living in my neighborhood since I was 15. I've yet to see any gangs. All I see are 11 and 12 year olds riding bikes and playing football. I'm not saying this is the case for all black middle class neighborhoods. I know there are many that unfortunately do have gang activity. I'm just lucky mind's doesn't.
as for blk middle class neighborhood adjacent to more impoverished areas that is so true also my neighborhood in chicago was like that i levied les than a mile from what ewferred to as the "low end " it was just an area you stayed away from and basically i grew up incident free
everyone have it wrong in my opinion . just because a person or a family have less or work a job that somebody has to do dont make them less worthy than the next, everyone cant go to college everyone can not make the grade for college some do have to work 2 job just to live , however in this contry everyone believe that if you don't have a degree you should be pay a less wage and your worth is less,also there are poor who don't break the law but are treated with less value this mind set is wrong
i grew up poor but when i went to college, pretty much all of my black classmates were upper middle class. parents were doctors or harvard mba or phd scientists.
I agree that opportunities for vocational training earlier on would benefit everyone. A lot of the problem is the culture though. What would prevent an unskilled laborer of any race from looking to illegal activities that provide more than their unskilled job? The only way to get around this problem is through skilled professions like medicine, law, engineering, etc. that all eliminate incentive to engage in criminal activity and all require much more education than 6th grade.
I agree. This is something I have seen before at my high school and sometimes at my university. I have no idea what their parents are teaching them. One thing I do ask is do you think this is something they will grow out of? It is just a teenage thing?
why in the hell do white people like to study black Americans, are you still curious, we are no different than any group of people, we don't have special talents except rhythm, soul and attitude, we have to learn things as well as any other class of people. what is your fascination about us?
ANSWER: Because, even after the passage of many generations here in the U.S., we African Americans are still seen as "the other" by Caucasian Americans. That's why there's this continued interest in --- and at times, sadly, suspicion or wariness about --- African Americans on the part of Caucasian Americans.
... Class refers to conduct and behavior norms too. Since the 50s Blacks the whole country has steadily moved from the conduct that underpinned the middle class, no matter where you fell on the economic scale.
I was agreeing with everything she said until they got to the part where they said how do poor Blacks become upwardly mobile and get into middle-class, and she said education. Which means, she's propagating herself and the host. Poor Black people would HANDS DOWN become middle class, almost instantly, if they dropped out of 6th grade and learned a trade, maybe in a union. If 10 million Black people became blue collar tomorrow, including the other middle-class, poor Blacks would cease to exist.
This is the Tuskegee Institute philosophy, I believe. I teach school, and I definitely think there should be a robust two-track training -- for college or for work.
ZECH CORCIMIGLIA -- Your question can be thoroughly addressed if you want to sincerely do the work of reading the following writers: The Autobiography of Frederick Douglass ROOTS - Haley The Ethnic Myth, Steinberg The Debt, Robinson Peoples History of the United States, Zinn A Review of America in Black and White", Loury The State of Black America (Annual Report published by the Urban League) Mass Incarceration and the New Jim Crowe, Alexander These would all serve a solid, reliable basic starting point for you.
Take a drive through The Buck-head Neighborhood in Atlanta, GA. Their are a number african Americans that live in mansions and drive around in luxury cars. Most of it revolve around the music and entertainment business.
how can some people say she looks half jewish? she could be half arab? she is still A FULL HUMAN BEING. most rich and educated blacks keep as far away as they can from the blue collared ones. can you blame them?
you know where you came from and you know where you are going to. you have a goal. stick to it. don't give up on a miracle at any time in your journey through this life. you will come out the other side, more positive. just be a bitmore positive. get rid of any complexes just because you don't look like who others think you should look like. there is nothing wrong with you.
True, there is little tangible value in personal apologies,...however, there is a moral implication that agents/representatives of the state and enabling agencies should issue public apologies and proclamations (wasn't the centuries-long slavery institution itself quite public) & take every deliberate action to reverse the negative social/economic consequences of the slavery institution on relatively disadvantaged modern slave descendants. More then a third of slave descendants are impoverished
Frederick Delk, founder of the African American Homeland Association The key to Political, Economic and Government Power is control of State Institutions. I claim North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee the African American Homeland.. To Acquire these 8 Southern State Institutions, I suggest we make a modern day mass migration back to the 8 States. I estimated we need 5 to 6 million additional Black American Voters into the region. I took into account that most whites will vote Republican. For more details go to www.africanamericanhomeland.com
Because of what i am learning, i understand this now. This is not understood by many many blacks. And the bible said the reason for that. ( Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee ) But, let me try to make this very clear. In Deuteronomy 28:1-68 literally this happened to blacks, even in the History books. So when it says: Deut 28:68 68 And the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. Wow! In Africa's slave port says, "The point of no return" above the door. That happened to blacks told to us in our History books. In Deut 28:64 64 And the Lord shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone. Wearing crosses and having them on top of churches are wrong. I ask the readers, do this sound like so-called Jews? They migrated or got a ride out. I don't know of any other race that was taken against their will, plus fitting all of the other punishments God set in place. Fake Jews cherry pick the bible. Blacks went thru all of these things not some of them. In Deut 28:44 44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail. We are even known as a race, poor. Rich blacks, still have someone to write out their checks. Wealthy so-called Jews don't have a check written out to them. All in the hood are loan offices, and drinks to drown out our lives. We are the HEBREWS! Africans never had this to deal with, God did not pursue them, only HEBREWS. So in Deut 28:45 45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee: This all happened after we were let out of Egypt, then sent back. That's what makes me so happy about all this hell we as blacks have to put up with. It proves to me, who and what i am. The world can't help themselves from harming blacks. It is prophesy. But hell WILL have to be paid, to our oppressors. Matthew 20:16 16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
I will not vote for President Biden he stated on the news live months ago that he will not help African-Americans economically and that blacks will have to get help with economics or financially from the Mexicans. Quote he stated stated you all have to deal with the Mexicans
I think he refers to Africans such as Aliko Dangote ($11.2 Billion), Mike Adenuga ($4.3 Billion), Patrice Motsepe ($2.7 Billion) and the like. Including some African presidents such as Daniel Arap Moi. And African dictators such as Sani Abacha ($3 Billion), Mobutu Sese Seko ($5 Billion), Ibrahim Babangida ($12 Billion). Interesting article: "Rich Presidents of Poor Nations - Capital Flight From Resource-Rich Countries in Afric."
Can you explain then, why when putting in two exact job applications. One with a black name one with a white name. or even male and female in some cases. The white male well almost always get the job? This is important,
I enjoyed listening to her in this interview, but, at times, she appears to evade evidence-anecdotal or otherwise-that doesn’t support her views. When asked if she’s ever experienced interpersonal racism, she started bumbling and tried to answer a question that wasn’t asked. She knows good and well that racism hasn’t really affected her in a meaningful way, and that it certainly hasn’t held her back. She can’t say that flat out because then the next question would be, “well then how much does it really affect anyone’s upward mobility, if at all?”
I agree with you to an extent. With regards to the question asked about if she experienced interpersonal racism, she did mention how her fairer skin would affect how may have been approached or experienced for her.
You all use Wikipedia. They blocked a black friend who was editing out racism from certain articles. Second time, 2 year block of his IP address. He had to call his ISP and request a new router.
Stop by and teach them how to leverage their white privilege. Being white and remaining poor in the United States is *ALWAYS* a matter of choice. When you’re black - to professor Pattillo’s point - in addition to having to be “better” than our non-black counterparts we also have to continuously fight systemic racism and its deep and long-reaching social impact
I don't think this discussion had anything to do with victimization. Society as a whole will label you regardless of how you may see yourself, and how society labels you can impact your life whether it's within the workforce, or how you're perceived within society in general. To ignore that fact is naive.
i could listen to ms patillo forever. she got an education. she is proof of the importance of compusory education for all cultures. educate people to the best of their abilities. that is what the old soviet union used to do which is why they had successful people in ALL walks of life! ms patillo KNOWS what she is talking about. is she married? would she be interested in a 65-year-old male, unmarried, catholic, no funds in the bank? just asking.
Of course race is not the most important thing is life. However, the race of some groups in society is not considered to be a non-issue at all. The mere fact of being member of one of those racial groups causes them to be: more likely to be randomly searched on the streets after 8pm, to be expected less from in terms of academic success, whose individual actions are seen as somehow representative for the group as a whole, and being wronged when trying to explain that race is thus still an issue
Also, we need to define what "black" is. As an African I would not call this woman black! She is mixed race, with obvious black ancestary. The second argument which she did not mention is "light skin supremacy" and colourism. The fact is the lighter you are or if yu are mixed you do the West than your typical "black" person!
im saying whatever whitey says goes im saying she defines herself as black so why wouldnt you? and if white people do not define her as white then why would you want to be included in a race that doesnt want you and why so complicated with if this parent is this then its that but its not the same for the other parent that extremely confusing and not conclusive with how society operates which can make it more confusing for little kids
Whitney Titus you do realize that matters not if the father carries the seed, if you have on parent who is white and one parent who is black then BIOLOGICALLY the offspring is 50/50 i don't care how you try to spin it. Many black men like to go by this code so that they can give other black men the "okay" to be with other races of women while condemning black women for doing the same thing. So even though the father carries the seed and regardless of what you want to believe, Biologically the offspring will still be 50/50
Whitney Titus no the offspring will be 50/50, the off spring will have 23 y chromosomes from the moth and 23 y chromosomes from the dad, which gives the individuals 46 y chromosomes in all. smh
Whitney Titus what ever u want to believe, I now understand why black men have a double standards when they try and guilt trip black women from interracial dating but at the same time give black men a pat on the back. I will NOT go back and forward with u. have a good day
So she chose to research a neighborhood where traditional hostile gentrification doesn't take place? How convenient !! I get the impression she doesn't have many real urban friends who are poor and struggling. Is her job to make it seem that black poor people are their own problem?
@doshiaman1 Why would someone want to send their child to a bad school, and stay in a bad neighborhood? Why do poor black people always think that it is someone else's job to improve their lives? The black middle class is doing the right thing: Grab more money, move to a safer area, and send your kids to schools where the teachers can spend more time teaching than discipling children.
Likely started studying race because of her experiences being bussed to all-white surburban Milwaukee schools. She likely was initially really excited to go to an all-white school; but quickly had “buyer’s remorse” when they showed her that she *still wasn’t light enough* Have seen this happen a billion times. Gotta keep an eye on the bi-racial / high yellows who are obsessed about race. 😂😂
Race is real. If not, then it is just a matter of time until differentiation is visible. It is not 'degree of difference' that is the root of racism, but rather it is time. So you see, racism is undefeatable. Worshippers of 'natural' regularities, like me, will always be out there!
Patrick Jensen -yes agreed- ignorant, cowardly bigots such as yourself will always be "out there" (along with the evil, mentally de-ranged pond scum who murder defenseless women and children). Hence, I just got my CHL so feel free to try to make your "diffentiation" mean something if you like....
...Hope that doesn't describe you...if it does you may want to reexamine the way you think about people that don't look like you and try to be more excepting of others...By the way I don't care what race, religion, sexual orientation you are it is not important to me. I judge people on their character not the shade of the their skin, who they pray too or who they want to sleep with.
The fact that people are still posting about race is the problem...Once this conservation goes away will all be better off. The only people that keep this Shit going are people who have something to gain by it...etc Ann Right.
She's promoting blame the victim and since she's partially black she helps validate the work of the KKK and other racist groups. Good job and paycheck, helping to destroy other humans.
@m015094 also I am black and middle class, grew up middle class. Lived in all black area for a portion of my life, other parts I've lived in other countries. I've lived in other states in the US on military bases(military one of the most egalitarian institutions in the US very tolerant, they do not tolerate racism). Anyway its interesting to see because the middle class of blacks is largely ignored. Even my experience people simply think its unusual despite how common it actually.
Well if this is your perception this is why poorer black people don't trust black people with money. Poverty and blackness go hand in hand. Food deserts, rising housing prices, high insurance all affect black people heavily even if some black people live well.
I work in corporate America and have to fight constantly because I'm the black person. Working my ass off, following my dreams, and my skin color matters in more ways than you'll ever know. Keep that hope alive though.
I'm a corporate Black person. I have it so hard.
Ultimate trapping
It's not your skin color itself because Africans are seen in a better light. It's your past as your ancestors were slaves.
I am almost done reading E. Franklin Frazier's Black Bourgeoisie now. It is very foundation to this topic.
I agree, early childhood education is very important. Critical thinking is also very key. This skill starts from an early age.
I am so glad this dialogue has finally begun. As recent as 20yrs. ago it was difficult to find information of Black middle class from 1950-1970. Even in the 90's the information was scant.
God bless this woman for REMINDING our ass-backward country there's a world of bifference between race and CULTURE when culture is nothing more (or less) than LEARNED BEHAVIOR!
Human relations take on different forms in different places.
For example, I come from a high middle class family in Nigeria, where going to college has not been a question for about six generations.
How did we achieve this?
When the British came to colonize West Africa, my Yoruba tribe that has been gathering as huge towns for over a thousand years was the easiest entry on that side of the continent.
As a result, there was exchange of ideas and acceptance of British culture by the Yorubas.
With many people who were returning from Brazil as freed slaves who also had a lot of technical skills, many of our families owned businesses and became part of the ruling class of that time. This of course gave these ancestors of ours leverage to attend the newly created institutions of learning. For many such families like mine, the obligation for each generation to go to college and impact the society positively became seeded in each subsequent generation.
Although I was born in Germany, the family move back home to Nigeria when I was about four or five. Of course, I had to learn the national language English, and our native tongue, Yoruba. I really had no idea of racial discrimination until I came to the US. Not that I'm saying that classiscim is better than racism, but I has not experienced racism growing up and was shocked to be a target of it. Given that I had been privileged to take myself for granted when I lived in Nigeria.
I have to say, I prefer the privilege of not being judged because of my skin color or my class, but it is enlightening to live in the US now where I am subjected to this by default.
I definitely want to be a part of the change. Nobody can fix it for us, but us.
Culture can be defined also what you give to the entire world
I’d like to add that in many southern states, as per census records in the 1700s, there were African Americans who owned their own lands and moving forward in Louisiana specifically there was a thriving middle class culture of African Americans and French Creoles. There were also African American slave owners in the south.
I think that all of theses questions about black people is really due to the white people wanting to understand how we are still thriving regardless of the stumbling blocks build to hold us back✌🏾
Bingo
When I applied for graduate school I found loads of scholarships etc that were made available for people of Jewish descent. But I couldnt find any private scholarship for black students. This kind of infrastructure is lacking within the black community.
Also, when you look at the allocation of certain funding for black nongovernmental organisations or projects, it seems that those people with the closest proximity to the funding source (on a personal level) seem to be the frequent recipients.
Unless you are sponsored by private enterprises, most people will have to fund themselves, after the undergraduate studies.
Racism is never going away. Everyone is guilty of being racist to some extent. You can be among your own and be discriminated against for being light-skinned, dark-skinned, being poor, being classed off for being under-educated. I learned this working for 25 years with my own people and living with my whole life among my own people. It was hell. I focus on finding my own tribe. I like those who like me and there is no color line.
My opinion and personal experiences lead me to believe that there are different definitions for Black vs White middle class in the U.S.I believe that the Black middle class has a 4 year degree or greater level of education,regardless of income.The White middle class is defined primarily by income and housing, size of home and neighborhood,regardless of education level
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Thank you for posting this! These two women are Amazing!
so smart and GORGEOUS !!!!! I can listen and learn all day...
Black Families on lesser end and none high income should began to build family time conversations with children about money, specifically, especially seeing we live in an information age, we can discuss within ourselves our mental health issues.
These inward round table discussions are intuitive. Over and Over and Over, Result after Result after Result with Solutions, active ones that are reoccurring for Economic and Community Ownership and Co-Ownerships. I feel like Typing!
amen brotha! i want to spread this message & provide conversation content for such families
Yasssss
@m015094
also I am black and middle class, grew up middle class. Lived in all black area for a portion of my life, other parts I've lived in other countries. I've lived in other states in the US on military bases(military one of the most egalitarian institutions in the US very tolerant, they do not tolerate racism). Anyway its interesting to see because the middle class of blacks is largely ignored. Even my experience people simply think its unusual despite how common it actually.
God help us. We keep saying that we should work together, as long as we keep class going this will never happen. Mankind you do not run anything. God allow people to rise and fall according to his will not yours.
@m015094
it kind of makes sense. a lot of black people who earn their degrees sometimes move back to their old area if their family owns the home. usually doing this can change the income demographic of an area. But also she is neglecting to mention that there are black middle class areas.
Why is there a disparity between middle-class blacks and middle-class whites even present when the distinguishment is not race but instead is socioeconomic status / class?
The host saying ridiculous rebuttals and questions proves we are still in progress for change
I would love to study under her. Definitely going to read her book. Very knowledgeable.
I'm 19 and have been living in my neighborhood since I was 15. I've yet to see any gangs. All I see are 11 and 12 year olds riding bikes and playing football. I'm not saying this is the case for all black middle class neighborhoods. I know there are many that unfortunately do have gang activity. I'm just lucky mind's doesn't.
as for blk middle class neighborhood adjacent to more impoverished areas that is so true also my neighborhood in chicago was like that i levied les than a mile from what ewferred to as the "low end " it was just an area you stayed away from and basically i grew up incident free
everyone have it wrong in my opinion . just because a person or a family have less or work a job that somebody has to do dont make them less worthy than the next, everyone cant go to college everyone can not make the grade for college some do have to work 2 job just to live , however in this contry everyone believe that if you don't have a degree you should be pay a less wage and your worth is less,also there are poor who don't break the law but are treated with less value this mind set is wrong
She is so smart, happy to listen to it
Very informative. Thank you.
I loved listening to this lady - an impressive gallery of thought. Just to think - i inadvertently happened on this video.
i grew up poor but when i went to college, pretty much all of my black classmates were upper middle class. parents were doctors or harvard mba or phd scientists.
I agree that opportunities for vocational training earlier on would benefit everyone. A lot of the problem is the culture though. What would prevent an unskilled laborer of any race from looking to illegal activities that provide more than their unskilled job? The only way to get around this problem is through skilled professions like medicine, law, engineering, etc. that all eliminate incentive to engage in criminal activity and all require much more education than 6th grade.
The last 5 minutes of this interview are the most insightful.
Wife material
I agree. This is something I have seen before at my high school and sometimes at my university. I have no idea what their parents are teaching them. One thing I do ask is do you think this is something they will grow out of? It is just a teenage thing?
why in the hell do white people like to study black Americans, are you still curious, we are no different than any group of people, we don't have special talents except rhythm, soul and attitude, we have to learn things as well as any other class of people. what is your fascination about us?
ANSWER: Because, even after the passage of many generations here in the U.S., we African Americans are still seen as "the other" by Caucasian Americans. That's why there's this continued interest in --- and at times, sadly, suspicion or wariness about --- African Americans on the part of Caucasian Americans.
... Class refers to conduct and behavior norms too. Since the 50s Blacks the whole country has steadily moved from the conduct that underpinned the middle class, no matter where you fell on the economic scale.
I was agreeing with everything she said until they got to the part where they said how do poor Blacks become upwardly mobile and get into middle-class, and she said education. Which means, she's propagating herself and the host. Poor Black people would HANDS DOWN become middle class, almost instantly, if they dropped out of 6th grade and learned a trade, maybe in a union. If 10 million Black people became blue collar tomorrow, including the other middle-class, poor Blacks would cease to exist.
This is the Tuskegee Institute philosophy, I believe. I teach school, and I definitely think there should be a robust two-track training -- for college or for work.
ZECH CORCIMIGLIA -- Your question can be thoroughly addressed if you want to sincerely do the work of reading the following writers:
The Autobiography of Frederick Douglass
ROOTS - Haley
The Ethnic Myth, Steinberg
The Debt, Robinson
Peoples History of the United States, Zinn
A Review of America in Black and White", Loury
The State of Black America (Annual Report published by the Urban League)
Mass Incarceration and the New Jim Crowe, Alexander
These would all serve a solid, reliable basic starting point for you.
My cousin introduced me to Mary when she was about 15 years old. I think she had a crush on me. Shes from Milwaukee you know.
stop lying
Biggest cap on YT 😂😂😂
Take a drive through The Buck-head Neighborhood in Atlanta, GA. Their are a number african Americans that live in mansions and drive around in luxury cars. Most of it revolve around the music and entertainment business.
how can some people say she looks half jewish?
she could be half arab?
she is still A FULL HUMAN BEING.
most rich and educated blacks keep as far away as they can from the blue collared ones.
can you blame them?
you know where you came from and you know where you are going to.
you have a goal. stick to it.
don't give up on a miracle at any time in your journey through this life.
you will come out the other side, more positive.
just be a bitmore positive. get rid of any complexes just because you don't look like who others think you should look like. there is nothing wrong with you.
guys, how beautiful is Mary Pattillo?
We know exactly what is going on. 2024.
Being racist and prejudice are different animals
Fox made a mockery out of his book with that trashy TV show.
Wow! I grew up in a white community and would love to show this to some people from high school who think race isn't an issue!!
True, there is little tangible value in personal apologies,...however, there is a moral implication that agents/representatives of the state and enabling agencies should issue public apologies and proclamations (wasn't the centuries-long slavery institution itself quite public) & take every deliberate action to reverse the negative social/economic consequences of the slavery institution on relatively disadvantaged modern slave descendants. More then a third of slave descendants are impoverished
your comment two years ago I hope you changed
Frederick Delk, founder of the African American Homeland Association
The key to Political, Economic and Government Power is control of State Institutions.
I claim North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee the African American Homeland.. To Acquire these 8 Southern State Institutions, I suggest we make a modern day mass migration back to the 8 States.
I estimated we need 5 to 6 million additional Black American Voters into the region.
I took into account that most whites will vote Republican.
For more details go to www.africanamericanhomeland.com
Because of what i am learning, i understand this now. This is not understood by many many blacks. And the bible said the reason for that. ( Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee ) But, let me try to make this very clear. In Deuteronomy 28:1-68 literally this happened to blacks, even in the History books. So when it says: Deut 28:68 68 And the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. Wow! In Africa's slave port says, "The point of no return" above the door. That happened to blacks told to us in our History books. In Deut 28:64 64 And the Lord shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone. Wearing crosses and having them on top of churches are wrong. I ask the readers, do this sound like so-called Jews? They migrated or got a ride out. I don't know of any other race that was taken against their will, plus fitting all of the other punishments God set in place. Fake Jews cherry pick the bible. Blacks went thru all of these things not some of them. In Deut 28:44 44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail. We are even known as a race, poor. Rich blacks, still have someone to write out their checks. Wealthy so-called Jews don't have a check written out to them. All in the hood are loan offices, and drinks to drown out our lives. We are the HEBREWS! Africans never had this to deal with, God did not pursue them, only HEBREWS. So in Deut 28:45 45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee: This all happened after we were let out of Egypt, then sent back. That's what makes me so happy about all this hell we as blacks have to put up with. It proves to me, who and what i am. The world can't help themselves from harming blacks. It is prophesy. But hell WILL have to be paid, to our oppressors. Matthew 20:16 16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
I will not vote for President Biden he stated on the news live months ago that he will not help African-Americans economically and that blacks will have to get help with economics or financially from the Mexicans. Quote he stated stated you all have to deal with the Mexicans
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does the biochemical chemical structure of melanin contribute to aetiology of hypertension more than effect of racial discrimination?
I think he refers to Africans such as Aliko Dangote ($11.2 Billion), Mike Adenuga ($4.3 Billion), Patrice Motsepe ($2.7 Billion) and the like. Including some African presidents such as Daniel Arap Moi. And African dictators such as Sani Abacha ($3 Billion), Mobutu Sese Seko ($5 Billion), Ibrahim Babangida ($12 Billion).
Interesting article: "Rich Presidents of Poor Nations - Capital Flight From Resource-Rich Countries in Afric."
Can you explain then, why when putting in two exact job applications. One with a black name one with a white name. or even male and female in some cases. The white male well almost always get the job? This is important,
Is Mary Pattillo 100% African-American? She sounds/looks half-Italian.
I enjoyed listening to her in this interview, but, at times, she appears to evade evidence-anecdotal or otherwise-that doesn’t support her views. When asked if she’s ever experienced interpersonal racism, she started bumbling and tried to answer a question that wasn’t asked. She knows good and well that racism hasn’t really affected her in a meaningful way, and that it certainly hasn’t held her back. She can’t say that flat out because then the next question would be, “well then how much does it really affect anyone’s upward mobility, if at all?”
I agree with you to an extent. With regards to the question asked about if she experienced interpersonal racism, she did mention how her fairer skin would affect how may have been approached or experienced for her.
You all use Wikipedia. They blocked a black friend who was editing out racism from certain articles. Second time, 2 year block of his IP address. He had to call his ISP and request a new router.
Okay enough about poor blacks like talk about poor white people in trailer parks😂
Stop by and teach them how to leverage their white privilege.
Being white and remaining poor in the United States is *ALWAYS* a matter of choice. When you’re black - to professor Pattillo’s point - in addition to having to be “better” than our non-black counterparts we also have to continuously fight systemic racism and its deep and long-reaching social impact
@Michael
I have to say you are correct,as long as people keep label themselves a dam crayon,they will think in that mentality
I don't think this discussion had anything to do with victimization. Society as a whole will label you regardless of how you may see yourself, and how society labels you can impact your life whether it's within the workforce, or how you're perceived within society in general. To ignore that fact is naive.
There's a reason why this lady's book didn't take. And backed by a White There's a reason why her book didn't sell.
Damn, Mary can get it......she is lovely! I love a pretty, academically inclined woman.
Quite!
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Interesting
i could listen to ms patillo forever. she got an education. she is proof of the importance of compusory education for all cultures. educate people to the best of their abilities. that is what the old soviet union used to do which is why they had successful people in ALL walks of life! ms patillo KNOWS what she is talking about. is she married? would she be interested in a 65-year-old male, unmarried, catholic, no funds in the bank? just asking.
Of course race is not the most important thing is life. However, the race of some groups in society is not considered to be a non-issue at all. The mere fact of being member of one of those racial groups causes them to be: more likely to be randomly searched on the streets after 8pm, to be expected less from in terms of academic success, whose individual actions are seen as somehow representative for the group as a whole, and being wronged when trying to explain that race is thus still an issue
Race plays a huge role in America.
@askar4kill As are most African Americans.
LMAOOOOOO. oh!
... She said education....Obama dis less for education than did George Bush before him.
So they are like the white middle/upper class?
Also, we need to define what "black" is. As an African I would not call this woman black! She is mixed race, with obvious black ancestary.
The second argument which she did not mention is "light skin supremacy" and colourism. The fact is the lighter you are or if yu are mixed you do the West than your typical "black" person!
white people would define her as black and she define herself as black so why wouldnt you define her as black?
im saying whatever whitey says goes im saying she defines herself as black so why wouldnt you? and if white people do not define her as white then why would you want to be included in a race that doesnt want you and why so complicated with if this parent is this then its that but its not the same for the other parent that extremely confusing and not conclusive with how society operates which can make it more confusing for little kids
Whitney Titus you do realize that matters not if the father carries the seed, if you have on parent who is white and one parent who is black then BIOLOGICALLY the offspring is 50/50 i don't care how you try to spin it. Many black men like to go by this code so that they can give other black men the "okay" to be with other races of women while condemning black women for doing the same thing. So even though the father carries the seed and regardless of what you want to believe, Biologically the offspring will still be 50/50
Whitney Titus no the offspring will be 50/50, the off spring will have 23 y chromosomes from the moth and 23 y chromosomes from the dad, which gives the individuals 46 y chromosomes in all. smh
Whitney Titus what ever u want to believe, I now understand why black men have a double standards when they try and guilt trip black women from interracial dating but at the same time give black men a pat on the back. I will NOT go back and forward with u. have a good day
lmao i'm an idiot, carry on.
So she chose to research a neighborhood where traditional hostile gentrification doesn't take place? How convenient !! I get the impression she doesn't have many real urban friends who are poor and struggling. Is her job to make it seem that black poor people are their own problem?
are you saying she is racist?
@doshiaman1 Why would someone want to send their child to a bad school, and stay in a bad neighborhood? Why do poor black people always think that it is someone else's job to improve their lives? The black middle class is doing the right thing: Grab more money, move to a safer area, and send your kids to schools where the teachers can spend more time teaching than discipling children.
She is not black she is (Mixed Race).
Likely started studying race because of her experiences being bussed to all-white surburban Milwaukee schools.
She likely was initially really excited to go to an all-white school; but quickly had “buyer’s remorse” when they showed her that she *still wasn’t light enough*
Have seen this happen a billion times. Gotta keep an eye on the bi-racial / high yellows who are obsessed about race. 😂😂
I couldn't get past her beauty. I want this lady to be my lawful wedded wife. To have and to hold.
That's nice
Race is real. If not, then it is just a matter of time until differentiation is visible. It is not 'degree of difference' that is the root of racism, but rather it is time. So you see, racism is undefeatable. Worshippers of 'natural' regularities, like me, will always be out there!
Patrick Jensen -yes agreed- ignorant, cowardly bigots such as yourself will always be "out there" (along with the evil, mentally de-ranged pond scum who murder defenseless women and children). Hence, I just got my CHL so feel free to try to make your "diffentiation" mean something if you like....
Mil Town
you're kidding right? Quite as in she is "quite" beautiful...
Sounds like e personal problem. Maybe he should move.
Was Obama living in America during the Civil Rights Movement? lol I don’t think he can relate to the Black American experience.
He’s Kenyan American
Infinite Dreams My point exactly.
Diva Samai He grew up in Kansas, Hawaii, and Indonesia. He didn't really "grow up" in Kenya. During the Civil Rights era, he was also a child.
...Hope that doesn't describe
you...if it does you may want to reexamine the way you think about people
that don't look like you and try to be more excepting of others...By the
way I don't care what race, religion, sexual orientation you are it is not
important to me. I judge people on their character not the shade of the
their skin, who they pray too or who they want to sleep with.
Have a poor excuse of a black president who won't even mentioned face relations although he and family face it daily.
The fact that people are still posting about race is the problem...Once this conservation goes away will all be better off. The only people that keep this Shit going are people who have something to gain by it...etc Ann Right.
there is no such thing as the black middle class middle class are the controllers of the means of production black people are just employs
This woman does not look black. Why does she think she can speak for the black community, when she is obviously not black? This is shameful
She’s Black.. Please Stop
She's promoting blame the victim and since she's partially black she helps validate the work of the KKK and other racist groups. Good job and paycheck, helping to destroy other humans.
Why is she so obsessed with the black middle class again?
+anisah oba strange question. she's a sociologist and this is an underexplored area of sociology. why not specialize in this?
So, you can learn something.
The victim mentality is the problem, just stop!
@m015094
also I am black and middle class, grew up middle class. Lived in all black area for a portion of my life, other parts I've lived in other countries. I've lived in other states in the US on military bases(military one of the most egalitarian institutions in the US very tolerant, they do not tolerate racism). Anyway its interesting to see because the middle class of blacks is largely ignored. Even my experience people simply think its unusual despite how common it actually.
Well if this is your perception this is why poorer black people don't trust black people with money. Poverty and blackness go hand in hand. Food deserts, rising housing prices, high insurance all affect black people heavily even if some black people live well.