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Nice strategy for a cold table! However a couple hot shooters and this becomes a nightmare! Gotta know when to play this one! I like it ! Thanks for sharing
This isn't a strategy you want to play if you're going to play for 30 minutes on a lunch break. That's for sure. If you're willing to stick it out and have the proper bankroll, it is a strategy that will come back, though. The bankroll is designed such that you'll never lose the bankroll.
I play the dark side all the time. And I let them all know it at the table. I call out seven just like they call out there numbers. 😂what good for one is good for the other. Its my money and I do what I like. One night I ran off the entire table. But I went home a winner.
I am a HARD CORE dark side player !!!! I have sat many a time at a table that produced 20,25,30,40, and OVER 45 rolls. Trust me when I say, that you will deplete your BANK ROLL.
Wow, this is a great strategy for the random rollers! Can't wait to play it on my next cruise in January! Practiced it on Crapsee and so far after 2 rounds of about 15 hands each I'm up $500 on one and $600 on the other. Thanks for sharing!
Yep! Just remember the win goals. I find myself always wanting to push it, but it's pretty discouraging when you go from up $500 to up $100 just because you hit a downswing. Still will make money, but this is one where it's fairly easy to make money, and then you just go invest it somewhere or buy something and then go do it again the next day.
I played this multiple times at $10,000 buy in and the $100 level (200/150/120 lay with $100 flat). Exactly the same system as you describe here but 4X. Got destroyed most times playing due to average or long rolls. It works about 50% of time which is the same with any other don't system.
You bet! Make sure you have the bankroll and win goals, and this will be so much fun. It's crazy how you can end a roll up, while being into your stack a good amount during the roll. It's nice when you have somebody next to you who just gawks at you when the dealer hand you all your chips back plus more. Stay on top of it, and have fun!
You mentioned at 5:25 that at certain times you have an exception of making a pass line bet on subsequent come-out rolls. Did I understand that correctly? I don't remember seeing that situation arise in this video.
Good question! If I have DC bets on fewer than 8 dots (think Catan) I come out with both the pass and the don't pass again. So if I have a DC bet on only the six or only the eight or the 4 and 5, for example, I come out on both sides again. The intuition is there. But if I had a DC bets on the 8 and 4, for example, that's 5 + 3 dots, and I would only flat bet the don't pass on the next come out.
I like the system. I will have to try it out. I’m wondering, though if you just play the don’t pass and then lay the four or the 10 to cover the seven and not play the past line that way you’ll make that extra money on the backend.
My question is this: How many casinos/crap table allow you to meet both pass line and don't? Also, why play both? Seems like you are just betting on the dark side and there is no reason for the pass line bet? Other than just a small hedging bet.
Thanks for asking. Majority of casinos allow you to bet both simultaneously on the tables but not the bubble craps machines. The reason I come out ok both on the very first come-out is it prevents the risk of the 7 or 11 losing my base bet, and it costs me only the chance that the 12 comes.
On bubble, I would bet the Don't Pass and make a lay bet for the come out roll on the 5 (I know many prefer 4 or 10 but those numbers come up too often on the bubble). @@DiceOutChannel
@@DiceOutChannel the casinos and bubble craps machines will allow you to make the Doey-Don't bet, but NOT for equal amounts (e.g.- $25 on DP and $25 on Pass).
You gotta install a roll limit. If the shooter goes on a heater, they will be picking off your dont numbers right and left. I would say that at roll 10 or 11 STOP and remove all your odds and just have your dont bets sitting out there working. Hopefully a 7 out comes quick, worst case, the hot shooter just takes down all your donts OR when you remove all your odds bets with all the donts out there on the numbers...simply place equal place bets on all the numbers so when the hot shooter keeps going you are making some money on the numbers.
Oh, the bumpers. Yeah, I can get those. In casino world, those are designed to thwart dice setting. I don't set dice, so all rolls are logically random. My other videos have proved that lots.
The only pass line strategy hedge (if you dont place odds) is really for the come out. You could hop the Red and include a $5 Yo cheaper to hedge the come out. A Horn bet would work too and pay on the 12....?
@gscop1683 In 36 come-out rolls on a $25 table, the red hops + Yo will lose $8*28 = $226. Every time there is a roll other than 7 or 11, we lose $8 on that strategy. Placing the pass + don't pass = a $25 loser every 26 rolls.
Thanks for commenting. Nope! If you don't go through the Don't Come (DC), which means you decide to just lay a 10 (for example), you need to pay $1 vig for every $40 laid. Since we go through the Don't Come on this and have a flat bet on the DC which moves to the next number rolled, there is no vig on the lay odds we put with that flat bet. There is also no vig on the DC, because it was a risk of the 7 when it was initially put there.
It's a winner. Bankroll is important, and win goals are important. For this one, $200 is a decent win goal. If you happen to be down within a session, just keep going and wait it out.
Ah! Sorry. That situation is when you've made your point and at least 8 dots are covered on a subsequent Come-out by "Don't Come" bets. Think Catan. The 6/8 and any other number covered by DCs would mean you don't play both on the next Come-out. The 4, 9, and 10 would mean you don't play both. But on the 4 and 9, you would. So- 8 dots. That's the rule. Research Settlers of Catan. Hope this helps you.
house edge higher rolling mult. dc's vs only dp with 1 dc ..........ran both on win craps...................much lower house edge dp hedged w/ pass line plus only one dc with odds..........compared to '' rolling dc's'' as you depicted......as waylon said one 30 roller and your toast ,,,,win craps shows same ...--------10000 runs .......................still i like your style.........smart craps..................... thnx@@DiceOutChannel
@@DiceOutChannel The payouts are the house edge. Lay $25 on a 4 and pays 11, which is over double on your losses if you get whacked by the 4. All lay bet payouts are lower, so you would have to win more, and as we all know that is already an uphill battle in Craps.
@@itzamia I agree that there is a house edge in any bet. The way the lay odds tend to cover each other in this one is where it achieves results that are superior to a lay strategy which just stops. Should always have a win goal, and for the $25 level that is around $200.
Ha! Thanks for the comment! There have been way more than one time I've helped a dealer pay this out. Err on the side of them knowing, but it is important to make sure the payouts are correct. Good tipping is a key here. A dealer will often tell me it was good to get in the practice on the don'ts, and after about 30 minutes of the same thing over and over again they get into the rhythm of it.
@@DiceOutChannel yeah I hear ya. Throwing the dealers a bone now and then is always good. I know some dealers even look down on dont players which is silly. I never did because I played a similar way myself. I appreciate your videos
Thank you for the comment. Not coming out with doey-don't here takes more money in the short-term, because the DP is exposed to the 7/11 and the first point. Although it may give superior statistical results, this is designed with a win goal in mind which is often hit with average rolls in the short/medium turn. On long rolls, it's designed to cover for itself. I always recommend stopping once you've hit your win goal- be it $100 or $300. I appreciate the response!
90% of casino allows doey don’t. Bubble craps machines don’t which is annoying. It most likely a local, small or Indian res that don’t allow doey don’t. There is no doubt the dark side is the way to go. The only downside is craps players are like the mob and don’t like dark side players. It’s just more fun when everyone yelling and cheering. Personally I prefer hybrid so I can enjoy long rolls and have some protection.
@@guardianking9209 Correct. Bubble craps don't. I'd just err on the side of coming out on the dark side with the first roll and not laying odds with the first point only.
When I play darkside I play this way except for the doey don't. If you believe in the darkside stick with it all the way. Hop 7s on come out maybe. For me I never let a shooter take more than three bets from me. Once they take three I sit out until the next shooter. You really have to have the bankroll for the don't to grind it out.
Please subscribe. I like making these videos, and it will help me be able to make more ! There are complex strategies and simple strategies. There are strategies for as little as $300 and as much as $4,000. I create most of them, and some are variations of other ones out there. Enjoy, and thanks for watching Dice Out!
Nice strategy for a cold table! However a couple hot shooters and this becomes a nightmare! Gotta know when to play this one! I like it ! Thanks for sharing
This isn't a strategy you want to play if you're going to play for 30 minutes on a lunch break. That's for sure. If you're willing to stick it out and have the proper bankroll, it is a strategy that will come back, though. The bankroll is designed such that you'll never lose the bankroll.
@@DiceOutChannel I agree I like the strategy!
any system will lose the bankroll..............you just need to play the short game and leave.
Bubble Craps for me when playing the Don't.
Two reasons:
The bubble spits out Sevens
You don't get death stares from the table.
Both good points!
Or roll to win table because the don’t bets are not obvious
Exactly. On a dice table, the players who loaded up on place bets and press each time think you jinxed the dice when that inevitable 7 comes up.
I play the dark side all the time. And I let them all know it at the table. I call out seven just like they call out there numbers. 😂what good for one is good for the other. Its my money and I do what I like. One night I ran off the entire table. But I went home a winner.
I am a HARD CORE dark side player !!!! I have sat many a time at a table that produced 20,25,30,40, and OVER 45 rolls. Trust me when I say, that you will deplete your BANK ROLL.
Feel free to bring a bigger bankroll. I've played this strategy for years, and it comes back!
This strategy pays for Choppy tables.
@@dynjarren7523 Yep!
Wow, this is a great strategy for the random rollers! Can't wait to play it on my next cruise in January!
Practiced it on Crapsee and so far after 2 rounds of about 15 hands each I'm up $500 on one and $600 on the other.
Thanks for sharing!
Yep! Just remember the win goals. I find myself always wanting to push it, but it's pretty discouraging when you go from up $500 to up $100 just because you hit a downswing. Still will make money, but this is one where it's fairly easy to make money, and then you just go invest it somewhere or buy something and then go do it again the next day.
I played this multiple times at $10,000 buy in and the $100 level (200/150/120 lay with $100 flat). Exactly the same system as you describe here but 4X. Got destroyed most times playing due to average or long rolls. It works about 50% of time which is the same with any other don't system.
What gets you is the come out role where you have 8 ways to lose, two ways to win, one push. It’s doomed for failure.
I like this strategy. I want to play it the next time I go to the casino. Thank you.
You bet! Make sure you have the bankroll and win goals, and this will be so much fun. It's crazy how you can end a roll up, while being into your stack a good amount during the roll. It's nice when you have somebody next to you who just gawks at you when the dealer hand you all your chips back plus more. Stay on top of it, and have fun!
You mentioned at 5:25 that at certain times you have an exception of making a pass line bet on subsequent come-out rolls. Did I understand that correctly? I don't remember seeing that situation arise in this video.
Good question! If I have DC bets on fewer than 8 dots (think Catan) I come out with both the pass and the don't pass again. So if I have a DC bet on only the six or only the eight or the 4 and 5, for example, I come out on both sides again. The intuition is there. But if I had a DC bets on the 8 and 4, for example, that's 5 + 3 dots, and I would only flat bet the don't pass on the next come out.
Thanks for that @@DiceOutChannel I'd like to see you do another video on the strategy. Thanks for all your hard work.
Dots explain??? What are u referring to 3:39
I like the system. I will have to try it out. I’m wondering, though if you just play the don’t pass and then lay the four or the 10 to cover the seven and not play the past line that way you’ll make that extra money on the backend.
Very nice, thanks for sharing
You bet!
My question is this: How many casinos/crap table allow you to meet both pass line and don't?
Also, why play both? Seems like you are just betting on the dark side and there is no reason for the pass line bet? Other than just a small hedging bet.
Thanks for asking. Majority of casinos allow you to bet both simultaneously on the tables but not the bubble craps machines. The reason I come out ok both on the very first come-out is it prevents the risk of the 7 or 11 losing my base bet, and it costs me only the chance that the 12 comes.
On bubble, I would bet the Don't Pass and make a lay bet for the come out roll on the 5 (I know many prefer 4 or 10 but those numbers come up too often on the bubble). @@DiceOutChannel
@@DiceOutChannel the casinos and bubble craps machines will allow you to make the Doey-Don't bet, but NOT for equal amounts (e.g.- $25 on DP and $25 on Pass).
You gotta install a roll limit. If the shooter goes on a heater, they will be picking off your dont numbers right and left. I would say that at roll 10 or 11 STOP and remove all your odds and just have your dont bets sitting out there working. Hopefully a 7 out comes quick, worst case, the hot shooter just takes down all your donts OR when you remove all your odds bets with all the donts out there on the numbers...simply place equal place bets on all the numbers so when the hot shooter keeps going you are making some money on the numbers.
No pyramids on your table, rolls mighty be skewed a little...
What do you mean?
Oh, the bumpers. Yeah, I can get those. In casino world, those are designed to thwart dice setting. I don't set dice, so all rolls are logically random. My other videos have proved that lots.
I did not know that you
could bet on the pass line and the don't pass line at the same time.
You can on the table, not on the Bubble Craps machine!
The only pass line strategy hedge (if you dont place odds) is really for the come out. You could hop the Red and include a $5 Yo cheaper to hedge the come out. A Horn bet would work too and pay on the 12....?
@gscop1683 In 36 come-out rolls on a $25 table, the red hops + Yo will lose $8*28 = $226. Every time there is a roll other than 7 or 11, we lose $8 on that strategy. Placing the pass + don't pass = a $25 loser every 26 rolls.
Where do u get 26 rolls from...u see fututere
@@juanguajardo8588 I believe I meant 36 rolls. And it's on average. Sorry!
Some casinos will not let you bet the doey don't's on the come out..... great strat though for cold or choppy tables 👍
Don’t you have a vig to pay on the numbers you lay?
Thanks for commenting. Nope! If you don't go through the Don't Come (DC), which means you decide to just lay a 10 (for example), you need to pay $1 vig for every $40 laid. Since we go through the Don't Come on this and have a flat bet on the DC which moves to the next number rolled, there is no vig on the lay odds we put with that flat bet. There is also no vig on the DC, because it was a risk of the 7 when it was initially put there.
It work’s good
Yep! It's one of my favorites.
Never bet the DP only the DC
It’s uncanny how i become the worlds hottest shooter when I try this strategy!
Ha!
everyone at the table groans, and we don't groan lmao because we just made some money.
Love that going to try it out tomorrow
It's a winner. Bankroll is important, and win goals are important. For this one, $200 is a decent win goal. If you happen to be down within a session, just keep going and wait it out.
@@DiceOutChannel can you play this system with let’s say a 1000$ bankroll?
I wouldn't do it at the $25 level with $1,000. You could do it at the $15 level somewhat comfortably. Ideal bankroll for the $15 level is 1200.
You never showed a situation where you don't bet both the pass and don't pass like you said you would!!
Ah! Sorry. That situation is when you've made your point and at least 8 dots are covered on a subsequent Come-out by "Don't Come" bets. Think Catan. The 6/8 and any other number covered by DCs would mean you don't play both on the next Come-out. The 4, 9, and 10 would mean you don't play both. But on the 4 and 9, you would. So- 8 dots. That's the rule. Research Settlers of Catan. Hope this helps you.
@@DiceOutChannel Cool, thanks for clearing that up!
house edge about 3
my calculaions say 3.1 percent what your numbrssay thnx
Don't Come bets have a house edge of 1.36%. Lay odds have no house edge.
house edge higher rolling mult. dc's vs only dp with 1 dc ..........ran both on win craps...................much lower house edge dp hedged w/ pass line plus only one dc with odds..........compared to '' rolling dc's'' as you depicted......as waylon said one 30 roller and your toast ,,,,win craps shows same ...--------10000 runs .......................still i like your style.........smart craps..................... thnx@@DiceOutChannel
@@DiceOutChannel The payouts are the house edge. Lay $25 on a 4 and pays 11, which is over double on your losses if you get whacked by the 4. All lay bet payouts are lower, so you would have to win more, and as we all know that is already an uphill battle in Craps.
@@itzamia I agree that there is a house edge in any bet. The way the lay odds tend to cover each other in this one is where it achieves results that are superior to a lay strategy which just stops. Should always have a win goal, and for the $25 level that is around $200.
Former and aspiring craps dealers do not watch this lol. Yikes.
I respect the strategy though and get what you’re trying to do
Ha! Thanks for the comment! There have been way more than one time I've helped a dealer pay this out. Err on the side of them knowing, but it is important to make sure the payouts are correct. Good tipping is a key here. A dealer will often tell me it was good to get in the practice on the don'ts, and after about 30 minutes of the same thing over and over again they get into the rhythm of it.
@@DiceOutChannel yeah I hear ya. Throwing the dealers a bone now and then is always good. I know some dealers even look down on dont players which is silly. I never did because I played a similar way myself. I appreciate your videos
Hot table yore toast
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Just lay the point! Most casinos will not allow doey dont systems....
The darkside is a losing grind... which eventually leads to an empty rack.
Thank you for the comment. Not coming out with doey-don't here takes more money in the short-term, because the DP is exposed to the 7/11 and the first point. Although it may give superior statistical results, this is designed with a win goal in mind which is often hit with average rolls in the short/medium turn. On long rolls, it's designed to cover for itself. I always recommend stopping once you've hit your win goal- be it $100 or $300. I appreciate the response!
90% of casino allows doey don’t. Bubble craps machines don’t which is annoying. It most likely a local, small or Indian res that don’t allow doey don’t. There is no doubt the dark side is the way to go. The only downside is craps players are like the mob and don’t like dark side players. It’s just more fun when everyone yelling and cheering. Personally I prefer hybrid so I can enjoy long rolls and have some protection.
@@guardianking9209 Correct. Bubble craps don't. I'd just err on the side of coming out on the dark side with the first roll and not laying odds with the first point only.
1.37 house edge lowered even more by the even odds of the lay..
When I play darkside I play this way except for the doey don't. If you believe in the darkside stick with it all the way. Hop 7s on come out maybe. For me I never let a shooter take more than three bets from me. Once they take three I sit out until the next shooter. You really have to have the bankroll for the don't to grind it out.
Maybe slow down a little. You can’t even keep up with youself
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