@@finessegod6263I agree. I thought Barry gaining super thinking was a neat idea but I didn't like how it would slowly rob him of his emotions and turn him into Devoe which is something we don't need.
Do you even know what Barry stands for and what makes him the flash? I swear most of yall come on this app to say a bunch of nonsense thinking ur sounding cool
@@GreeNiNja806 I know it’s still in line with season 6’s plot/arc, but the way you phrased your comment, I thought that you thought the episode was still from season 6 episode wise though. I only watched the show on Netflix for the first time last year so I didn’t know that
would be a repeat of Season 3. I would have preferred he keeps his smarts and the artificial speedforce, giving meaning to the sacrifice of all the Wells. Any Wells could cameo as the new Avatar for the Speedforce, we could see Harry again. Would have been better than the cringe forces arc where they call each other mom and dad and Speedforce just takes Nora's name. With his newfound IQ boost and Cisco leaving the show, they could have downsized the cast so there are less people giving basic advice from the comms, show your protagonist actually be competent and use the saved money for better vfx.
Wouldn't have made any sense. This episode is the answer to the chamber they mentioned in 6X01 that would help to boost Barry's mind to solve problems faster than ever (and save lives faster so that they never have to lose someone like Nora in S5) but this is coming after he was once again taken advantage due to his good heart and emotions after Bloodwork did it and Eva as well through the mirror copy of Iris. Before he became "Spock!Flash" he was saying that he was tired of his enemies always using his heart against him. And now that he was boosted by the Artificial Speed Force he got what he wanted: less heart and more mind. But this is the result: a near robotic Barry devoid of compassion and kindness.
But you can predict what people will do even considering their emotions. In fact- people being emotional is a good way to be able to predict how they react, especially if you know the person closely
The point of this and devoe is that the sheer knowledge desensitizes you from emotion and you forget its value because you, yourself, no longer feel it (or havent felt it for so long)
Yeah but at what cost? It would slowly turn him into another Devoe and we really don't need a situation where team flash has to fight their friend who is practically becoming a emotionless speedster with the power of super thinking and only cares about the logical choice to every situation, even if it's not the best one.
@@Pellz Barry could if Devoe was in his original body but when he acquired all of the bus metas' powers, Barry wouldn't stand a chance not without some super thinking.
I sometimes get like this because I think too logically and with extreme lack of emotion. Then people get pissed at me because in my mind, Im picking the most reasonable and logical decision while they focus more on the emotional aspect and try to find a different way. Ive literally lived this dilemma so many times in my life that its unreal.
Nah bro no way they came back with the "you can't predict emotions" bs 💀 All humans make decisions based on emotions, him predicting that in a voting Cisco would vote to save Kamila is based on his emotions towards her, he totally can predict emotions. In what he failed actually, but not even the writers realize, it seems, was in assuming that a voting would be happening in the first place, he didn't consider the "we will find another way" response because that response would mean to prolonge the conflict and in his all logical mind that doesn't make any sense, in his mind it doesn't makes sense to keep this conflict going when they have the solution right there, even if it is not a perfect solution.
For some reason in The Flash you can be the smartest person (thinker or smart flash) be able to predict any outcome but somehow not be able to factor in emotion 😂
Except u can predict emotion every decision we make is based on how we feel the show says u can’t predict emotion but decor does it a number of times actually
I’ll always find it funny that media loves to portray emotions as the complete opposite of fact when usually, emotions are based on facts and are pretty rational and logical
For those who doesn't understand why he is like this it's a side effect of artificial speed force that he has zero emotions and have super speed thinking but every decision will be pf 100 percent logic he even fights his own team
Just proves a theory, at least for the show, that Thawne might have been angry at Barry the Negative Speed Force he created cranked that way up and changed who he is. We saw Thawne in LOT and not under Negative influence anymore and he was different
Here's how they could have the flash plot going. First season experiment's with how things going. Maybe stop some local tug's. 2nd season Introduc super villains. 3rd season Master mind was feature flash/Savitar 4th season Time travel (only experimental) New super villains 5th season True Master mind Reverse flash 6th season travelling to the past and feature to defeat reverse flash 7th season Finally defeat reverse flash 8th season Why savitar and Reverse flash couldn't use their speed (Death flash/ Punisher of those who play with time/horror) 9th season where he escaped (Another dimension/Justice Leagues dimension) I believe the reason they made the story so worse was there's no plan how things will proceed. And should have kept thigs slow paced with 8 episode per season. (Also to keep CGI Good) Flash is my favourite character (super hero) but there's no good story about him.😢
Seriously, they brought up Spock and The Wrath of Kahn, and Cisco doesn't try to use that reference to fix Berry? I mean, this is just like Spock, and that whole Vulcan test plot point B in one of the 7 movies. I've seen those movies at least once over a decade ago, lol.
Awesome version of Barry, he got crazy super fast thinking even in normal time but basically lost his emotion. But I mean living with someone like Iris will do that to you lol, Iris was terrible for Barry. Barry had more chemistry in a single interaction with Caitlyn or Patty or pretty much any of the other girls he dated or almost dated than he had with Iris throughout the entire show
I don’t like how they made the series so side character reliant, the show woulda been great if the flash was doing his thing and needed the star labs nerds every now and then and not EVERY EPISODE.
Sad thing is, not all but some of the arguments Berry makes aren’t exactly wrong as he would be sticking to probabilities and current facts available. Problem is, this show used theories they literally come up with on the spot and soon after that theory becomes fact to save the day. The real world doesn’t have that luxury as we tests things multiple times in multiple environments with multiple people to determine a fact. … this Berry also made a new antidote for one of the characters and when questioned how he said “I ran speed testing trials in my head” followed by immediately injecting in the girl. And of course the antidote still worked. 🤣
He’s starting to sound like shockwave, because he too thought with logic
FEMALE AUTOBOTS? I THOUGHT THEY WERE EXTINCT
It’s an episode where Berry gains “super thinking” and begins to become a super intellectual. They undo this by the end of the episode.
He sounds like Devoe
Idw shockwave my goat🙏
loving fans from all franchises and media. Big tf collector and Flash fan
The Flash sounds like a non-evil devoe here
😂
He basically is
@@cade.slet’s not talk about that embarrassment of a character Alr
You mean, spock
@@archelon2959 devoe was overpowered wtf
Coolest version of Barry They shouldve gone more with this "plot point" instead of scrapping it at the end the end of the episode
This him was trash he was no better then Thawne which defeats the whole point of him and Thawne being opposites
@@finessegod6263I agree. I thought Barry gaining super thinking was a neat idea but I didn't like how it would slowly rob him of his emotions and turn him into Devoe which is something we don't need.
@@wilsonng994would’ve been a nice arc
Yeah, if I want emotionless hyper-competence, there are sites brimming w/ that sort of fanfic.
Do you even know what Barry stands for and what makes him the flash? I swear most of yall come on this app to say a bunch of nonsense thinking ur sounding cool
He sound like Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory
I thought I was the only one thinking that😂😂
😭😭🗿
Nah, fr tho
He sounds more like devoe
Barry: (Runs to the Grand Canyon) *GOOD LORD HOW YOU FRUSTRATE ME CISCO RAMON!!!!!!*
"your reason is.... logical"
-shockwave
Coolest episode in season 7(it is part of 6, but let count it as 7). Our dude really became Devoe, that’s interesting.
This episode is part of season 7 it’s “The Speed of Thought” season 7 episode 2
@@ChazzDiBianco by plot, It’s still season 6. Because of Covid 19 last 3 episodes of 6th season is moved to season 7
@@GreeNiNja806 I know it’s still in line with season 6’s plot/arc, but the way you phrased your comment, I thought that you thought the episode was still from season 6 episode wise though. I only watched the show on Netflix for the first time last year so I didn’t know that
I hated the flash show for stopping that plot point so early. They should have made the flash the final villain of the season.
would be a repeat of Season 3. I would have preferred he keeps his smarts and the artificial speedforce, giving meaning to the sacrifice of all the Wells. Any Wells could cameo as the new Avatar for the Speedforce, we could see Harry again. Would have been better than the cringe forces arc where they call each other mom and dad and Speedforce just takes Nora's name. With his newfound IQ boost and Cisco leaving the show, they could have downsized the cast so there are less people giving basic advice from the comms, show your protagonist actually be competent and use the saved money for better vfx.
@@rudrasingh6354 Fr
Wouldn't have made any sense. This episode is the answer to the chamber they mentioned in 6X01 that would help to boost Barry's mind to solve problems faster than ever (and save lives faster so that they never have to lose someone like Nora in S5) but this is coming after he was once again taken advantage due to his good heart and emotions after Bloodwork did it and Eva as well through the mirror copy of Iris. Before he became "Spock!Flash" he was saying that he was tired of his enemies always using his heart against him. And now that he was boosted by the Artificial Speed Force he got what he wanted: less heart and more mind. But this is the result: a near robotic Barry devoid of compassion and kindness.
That would've been cool
And wally freeing him in the end would have been so good. Bro wally got really robbed during this series and the actor was gold.
But you can predict what people will do even considering their emotions. In fact- people being emotional is a good way to be able to predict how they react, especially if you know the person closely
The point of this and devoe is that the sheer knowledge desensitizes you from emotion and you forget its value because you, yourself, no longer feel it (or havent felt it for so long)
Silent spider man tho
Bro became fucking ai robot
Fr
Gideon a futuristic AI robot thanked him for making equations easier for her 😂
Nop, he became the DeVoe
Making a plan without talking to the team first?!?! *EVERYONE DOES THAT!!* 😂😂😂😂
He’s like devo he is brilliant but doesn’t think about people’s emotions
Just imagine if he has this super knowledge back in season 4 Devoe wouldn't stand a chance.
Yeah but at what cost? It would slowly turn him into another Devoe and we really don't need a situation where team flash has to fight their friend who is practically becoming a emotionless speedster with the power of super thinking and only cares about the logical choice to every situation, even if it's not the best one.
The logical choice is always the best one
Devoe never stood a chance to begin with if bro just used his superspeed on him
@@Pellz Barry could if Devoe was in his original body but when he acquired all of the bus metas' powers, Barry wouldn't stand a chance not without some super thinking.
@@wilsonng994 wrong none of those powers negate that Barry is faster than a nuke all he has to do is run in without stopping to talk and insta ko him
“expendable” sounds way crazier after playing one particular roblox game 💀
Ok i think I do NOT want to know more ..
@@snareplug3872 *you are expendable. you are not expected to return.*
OOOH it's Pressure
MINIGAME!!!!
Bro became young Sheldon 💀
Seeing the flash act this way would be pretty cool tbh
I sometimes get like this because I think too logically and with extreme lack of emotion. Then people get pissed at me because in my mind, Im picking the most reasonable and logical decision while they focus more on the emotional aspect and try to find a different way. Ive literally lived this dilemma so many times in my life that its unreal.
Imagine this Barry teaming up with Season 1 Oliver-now, there's a show!
Or better yet, go back to season 4 and fight With DeVoe
Barry really went full young Sheldon mode 😭
W edit man 🎉
Mixing emotions with logic if your intelligent enough you can safe both
Look at his eyes! Fantastic acting from Grant!
Nah bro no way they came back with the "you can't predict emotions" bs 💀
All humans make decisions based on emotions, him predicting that in a voting Cisco would vote to save Kamila is based on his emotions towards her, he totally can predict emotions.
In what he failed actually, but not even the writers realize, it seems, was in assuming that a voting would be happening in the first place, he didn't consider the "we will find another way" response because that response would mean to prolonge the conflict and in his all logical mind that doesn't make any sense, in his mind it doesn't makes sense to keep this conflict going when they have the solution right there, even if it is not a perfect solution.
I like this version of him actually had balls
I missed when cisco left. He was my favorite character by far.
Yes you can predict emotions if it’s predictable
Man he gave me the chills back then 😅
For some reason in The Flash you can be the smartest person (thinker or smart flash) be able to predict any outcome but somehow not be able to factor in emotion 😂
Except u can predict emotion every decision we make is based on how we feel the show says u can’t predict emotion but decor does it a number of times actually
Now I understand why Barry don't use this before.
W edit man keep it up
"you cannot predict emotion" same thing devoes wife said to him
"You're in my spooOt" ah conversation.
Barry sounds like a god damn robot 🤣
Some lime someone who’s experienced so much trauma and loss that he’s dissociated from his emotions.
and no one realised something was up with barry before this, great team
Dude when he said he was only saving Iris because she knew about Eva... that's when I knew he was really lost
Who let Ultron in DC 💀💀💀
Like everything Barry always puts his Family over anyone else & I get it but being a Superhero is about saving Everyone you can
Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if this was the moment that berry was starting to turn into savitar
Barry just became Sheldon for most of that episode.
Damm, he went for efficency that's smart
Too emotionally invested = flawed logic.
Too emotionally apathetic = flawed moral compass
He turns into a speedy super computer
Flash be sounding like spok from Star Trek 😭
Barrys face when cisco asked 😂
Frague
I’ll always find it funny that media loves to portray emotions as the complete opposite of fact when usually, emotions are based on facts and are pretty rational and logical
They really turned Barry into Sheldon
Ok but flash in the comics would never do this, like this, for this reason 😂
For those who doesn't understand why he is like this it's a side effect of artificial speed force that he has zero emotions and have super speed thinking but every decision will be pf 100 percent logic he even fights his own team
Flash really became Sheldon
Just proves a theory, at least for the show, that Thawne might have been angry at Barry the Negative Speed Force he created cranked that way up and changed who he is. We saw Thawne in LOT and not under Negative influence anymore and he was different
Facts don’t care about your feelings… unless it’s about Iris, then my feelings don’t care about your facts!
Barry became DeVoe in this episode
I still feel like this flash should've created some sort of split timeline where he became an actual super villain
Just because it’s the most logical way doesn’t mean it’s the correct way. Sometimes the most logical way can be the wrong way
"You can not predict emotion." Pretty sure even 10 year olds can predict these characters' emotions
Here's how they could have the flash plot going.
First season experiment's with how things going. Maybe stop some local tug's.
2nd season Introduc super villains.
3rd season Master mind was feature flash/Savitar
4th season Time travel (only experimental) New super villains
5th season True Master mind Reverse flash
6th season travelling to the past and feature to defeat reverse flash
7th season Finally defeat reverse flash
8th season Why savitar and Reverse flash couldn't use their speed (Death flash/ Punisher of those who play with time/horror)
9th season where he escaped (Another dimension/Justice Leagues dimension)
I believe the reason they made the story so worse was there's no plan how things will proceed. And should have kept thigs slow paced with 8 episode per season. (Also to keep CGI Good)
Flash is my favourite character (super hero) but there's no good story about him.😢
You can most definitely predict emotion.
Bro became a akin skywalker
W edit man 🔥
Bro sounds like Savitar on this part
Cisco: Not my Barry
Grant was sooooo good as emotionless flash
Seriously, they brought up Spock and The Wrath of Kahn, and Cisco doesn't try to use that reference to fix Berry? I mean, this is just like Spock, and that whole Vulcan test plot point B in one of the 7 movies. I've seen those movies at least once over a decade ago, lol.
Bro went chat gpt mode
Bro cisco got hit with a shotgun with those words
Make his voice a bit higher pitched and a few pauses and he's the Good Doctor.
Awesome version of Barry, he got crazy super fast thinking even in normal time but basically lost his emotion. But I mean living with someone like Iris will do that to you lol, Iris was terrible for Barry. Barry had more chemistry in a single interaction with Caitlyn or Patty or pretty much any of the other girls he dated or almost dated than he had with Iris throughout the entire show
Barry losing himself is heartbreaking
Expendable is wild😂
Channeling his inner sheldon
All he needs now is pointy ears and green blood
Devoe became the flash 💀🙏
Funny thing, is that I have done something like this before. That emotional detachment, trying to predict emotions.
Cisco was always clutch 🫡
I don’t like how they made the series so side character reliant, the show woulda been great if the flash was doing his thing and needed the star labs nerds every now and then and not EVERY EPISODE.
Cisco: you can’t predict emotion
also Cisco: predicting emotion
I think he meant as in since Barry doesn't have emotions so HE can't predict it not that you can't predict emotions overall
Thawne😬 sheesh i thought that one captain was cold
Savitar😮💨 damn i just killed Iris, i never said someone was worthless.
“you cannot predict EMOTION”
if i kill dante, pretty sure cisco wld be quite upset with me. also pretty sure that’s an emotion that im predicting🤷♂️
“You cant predict emotion” call back to the thinker
Flash is sounding like Reverse Flash
Nop, like DeVoe
Nope reverse was emotion controlling intelligence
i cant believe iris was the bay harbor butcher
Every time that team discuss something it's end with Barry decision end of that that's just speach always Barry or iris is make decisions
I like this Barry
The speedthinking is like robot or smt
Guess the argument shows the situation between the ASMR community and their fans.
Barry was just like Devoe in this episode. Once both him and Devoe got their high intellects they both became void of an emotions.
This episode just showed that DeVoe couldn't even absorb Barry's speed, he would be invincible.
I know I fell off the show at some point before Godspeed showed up but DAMN never heard Barry use that word for anybody
Flash❌️
Sheldon Cooper✅️
I don’t know if anybody noticed this, but I’m pretty sure the flash has gone full on SPOCK
Kinda sounds like Dr.Fate 😂😂
he Sounds like Sheldon cooper.
Iris is expandable, bro glazing iris even when hes emotionless
Became Devoe
He sounds like spock 🖖
Sad thing is, not all but some of the arguments Berry makes aren’t exactly wrong as he would be sticking to probabilities and current facts available. Problem is, this show used theories they literally come up with on the spot and soon after that theory becomes fact to save the day. The real world doesn’t have that luxury as we tests things multiple times in multiple environments with multiple people to determine a fact.
… this Berry also made a new antidote for one of the characters and when questioned how he said “I ran speed testing trials in my head” followed by immediately injecting in the girl. And of course the antidote still worked. 🤣
Yeah I REALLY hate when fiction acts like intelligence means outright clairvoyance on limited information,
Flash then a normal human
Flash now a robot
Flash always have super speed thinking. Dk why super speed thinking like this = no emotions.
Flash is the most scary