EXTINCT SPECIES REDISCOVERED?! Here is our breakdown...
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- Опубликовано: 21 июн 2023
- For over 100 years there have been those who have claimed that the Ivory-billed Woodpecker is extinct. But when a population was rediscovered and then lost in the 1940s, the prospect of their survival has looked increasingly dire. New evidence published by researchers has rekindled some people's belief in the bird, but many still have questions. Here is our breakdown.
The ivory-billed woodpecker has always fascinated me. I really appreciate this in-depth video of the ivory-bill history and the breakdown of the new evidence.
Being in the right place at the right time in territory like that would be very slim odds. I still believe that there are some out there. I know I'll never see one, but it's nice to think that they are not 100% gone. We can still dream.
They are still in East Texas, seen them myself
great go-over of the recent publication. Thank you both. Can't put the lid of extinction on this one yet. But BVN. Better view needed.
I am from Tallulah. I had no knowledge of the story. Thank you for this video. I really hope we find these awesome birds are still living.
The image from October 1, 2021, is most certainly not a Pileated WP, nor a Red Headed WP. If I saw that, I would be quite certain I just saw an Ivory Billed Woodpecker! I see Pileated WP's very regularly, and I can say with certainty they don't look like the Oct. 1 image. Very impressive. I would tend to think they are making a come-back, especially since their habitat is rebounding now. Wishful thinking? Perhaps, but also a good bit of logic involved given the amount of evidence, and extenuating circumstances.
That’s why you aren’t an authority on this stuff, Lmao… 😂
so what are you, some kind of self proclaimed expert? I'm more of an authority than you'll ever be. @@Revelationscreation
@@CumberlandOutdoorsman No you aren't. You're just another conspiracy theorist- pixels is enough to confirm things in your view.
Completely unscientific- are you a birder?
Edit- I've never professed to be a self claimed expert- though you must be, you can take pixels and make a ivory billed from them.
Could you name the bird in my profile pic generally curious?
I understand that there are grainy, pixelated videos and images of these birds or supposedly the birds we all hope they may be. I am looking at the field marks that are clear to me in that particular image from October 1, 2021. The others are not enough to convince me, or even raise any suspicion. I am a naturalist, and I spend a great deal of time outdoors. Identifying wild things such as birds, insects, mammals, reptiles, amphibians, trees, plants, fungi, etc. It is a passion of mine. I personally discovered a species of butterfly (Bronze Copper) in an area that was outside of it's known range. When I brought it to the attention of the local university entomologists, they said I must have mistaken it for another species. Then I presented video, and photo evidence, along with a mounted pair that I collected, and still they doubted me. I never found them again, so I could not confirm my claim, but I assure you they were there, and I still have some specimens from that place in a collection. Sometimes modern science doesn't accept the claims because they (so called experts) are too stubborn. (for lack of a better term) @@Revelationscreation
I have hard time believing they are entiterly extinct. There is too much remote hard to reach places in these bottomland swamp habitats to say we have explored all parts of these swamps. The atchafalaya river is the largest bottomland hardwood river floodplain tract in the united states, why do more people not explore the atchafalaya. I know ivorybilled also need virgin old growth but there has to be some virgin old growth cypress tupelo swamp forest in the atchafalyawhere these birds are hanging out. The atchafalya is expansive and just wild
Birds move though and woodpeckers also have domestic migrations- also a population has to be large enough to be sustainable. That’s why sometimes animals are considered extinct even before they are- a lot of people don’t consider this when speaking about extinct species.
Fantastic. Very interesting and very well presented. Thank you
Great video, guys!!
Awesome topic and great video! Very well done. I used to do a lot of birdwatching as a kid and the story of the Ivory-billed was my favorite study. Recently I have been looking into their story again and enjoy any new information. Thanks for this video! I'd love to learn more about the Imperial Woodpecker if you were looking for a new video idea. I know the basics, but wish I could hear more about expeditions to find them etc. Cheers
They re are back !
Great video, thank you for the breakdown😊🤞🏻
Our pleasure 🤝
@@realbirdingwhat if mixing penguin with razorbill auk we could get the real great auk but only the DNA
Thanks for sharing this information. It's exciting to think the bird may still be alive. Prior to this video, I did not think it was possible. ........ But wait, isn't that a Taylor Guitar behind Caleb? So cool.
Glad it was helpful!
The reason these studies have come out recently, despite not having definitive proof, is most likely due to the Fish and Wildlife Service's proposal (emphasis on proposal) of the Ivory-Bills extinction, wanting anyone to give evidence of the continued existence of this bird. Studies are coming out as evidence, and they are now in the process of peer review to see if it is enough to suggest the continued existence of Ivory-Bills. The Fish and Wildlife Service only asked for evidence. It's not definitive, but it is evidence, nonetheless.
Fascinating stuff. Great conflab - loved it. Would love to have the finances and time to hop across the pond and rigorously search for any signs - with my high telephoto hi-def gear! Great guys, sub'd. Si.
I’ve for sure seen it in SE TEXAS in the late 90’s thru out early 2000 it would come to the same tree in our yard every single morning and it wasn’t a Redhead either IM 1000% sure it was this Beautiful Bird I saw it countless amounts of times
It was a pileated… 😂
Wow it mustve been beautiful. I’m putting out birdfood in my yard
@@Revelationscreation Both the male and Female Pileated have red heads......
@@user-bi4hw2wi2k I know, I just don’t believe the guy. Came to the same tree for years and yet he never managed to get a photo.
We don’t even know if this dude owns a pair of binoculars or even had the experience to separate the ivory billed from other species of woodpecker.
If you choose to believe than you are straight up delusional… remember there’s hundreds of testimonies from non-birders and yet not a single strand of proof. You’ll realise that most these individuals have an interest in crypto-zoology and are more interested in the attention they could gain from spreading around lies.
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Yes I know, however he’s clearly not a birder and therefore his input is not necessarily trustworthy. People ‘mistakenly’ see (or straight up lie about seeing) cryptoids all the time.
Even if a few pairs survived the clear cut era, wouldn't this genetic bottleneck pose a problem?
I'd love to think they weren't eliminated, but I can't see how the population can be simultaneously large enough to remain genetically viable and small enough to evade detection for decades, especially given the large range this bird requires.
Exactly. It's gone. And they weren't some extremely shy, ghost of a bird like people claim. If you read the old accounts, they were noisy and easy to find where they were present.
If you have enough time to identify a woodpecker with your binoculars and it hasn’t move then you have enough time to take your camera out and take a picture- also what’s the reason for lack of audio recordings.
I think I saw one today on the Tennessee -TomBigbee around Fulton Mississippi
Just the comment about birds like blue jays and possibly mocking birds mimicking the call of a IBW in the ongoing search is a very intriguing argument to it's continued secret existence. Because, of course, they can't mimic something that doesn't exist right? Viva la ghost bird. I do hope we can one day finally have a photograph ^_^
Just send a local hunter go out and promise him his very own tv show if he finds one..??
You heard it here from us first folks. The dodo was sexy.
Any evidence to the contrary is worth looking into, and this is quite a bit of evidence to the contrary
We hoped to provide a lot of evidence to the contrary. It is most likely that this species is extinct. However, there are some questions that still need to be answered as to the identification of the birds in this new evidence.
I heard and saw an ivory-billed woodpecker in the summer of 2018.
I could easily know the difference between an ivory billed and a Pileated woodpecker at fairy close range - perhaps to 300 feet away. If I clearly ID’d one at 50 feet, why wouldn’t the authorities believe me? Or anyone else?
Unfortunately without photos, it’s very difficult to believe someone for a bird this rare. Some seen only sightings are very compelling though. What was the location for the sightings?
Where at??
@@LRHook01 It was at Johnny Henderson Park near Enterprise, Alabama. Enterprise is not far from the Choctawhatchee River.
@@realbirdingthis guys a troll- he also claimed to have seen a tiger heron fly over him… yet when I spoke to him he claimed he didn’t even have bino’s.
I live in south mississippi about a mile from the pearl river near stennis. I crossthe pearl river everyday to go to work in slidell and i am on the side that believes they are still around. There is too mu c h land, swamp that is remote and hard to access. I always hope to see ivorybilled flying over the swamp. They jave panthers and black bears in honey island swamp and i believe there are still ivorybilleds. I have seen swallow tailed kites flying around my property. I live very cl9se to the pearl river bottomlands
I gotta find this bird!
How big is the areas where they could still be alive in?
Even if the forest is hard to go thru, i would say it has to be quite big for the woodpecker do hide from humans.
Based on the photos and video you showed i cant really think it is extinct, but at the same time, if thousands of people been in these areas for decades, i dont think it would be that hard to find.
In sweden, most woodpecker make a sound and you can heard it a few hundred yards away.
Also the picking..., if the ivory billed woodpecker were somewhat close, you would hear it pcking on the trees.
And what about inbreeding?
I would also say that if its alive, we cant think of it like " what is the chance of seeing one?", instead, the question would be " what is the chance of seeing 5".
I mean, we are not looking for only 1 ivory billed woodpecker here, there has to be like 3 to 6 different ones in the same area for them to be able to breed.
If there only were 2 left, 1 male, and one female, when they get their chicks out and they also fly around, all of a sudden you have 5 woodpeckers in the same area.
Would Ivory-Billed ever hybridize with Pileated Woodpeckers? Hopefully somebody knowledgeable will respond.
No- different genus. It’s a campephilus, more closely related to species south america such as the Magellanic woodpecker. It has no existing relatives in North America.
It’s closest relative in North America would be the extinct imperial woodpecker.
I’m unsure if hybridisation even exists within wild woodpeckers. Apparently hybridisation occurs within some genus’s of woodpecker. Close relation is usually necessary for hybridisation- old world vultures and coopers hawk share the same family yet are obviously not able to hybridise.
“Not likely” and “not zero” - wow you almost said something.
I wish someone with something more powerful than an iPhone 3 camera could look for these woodpeckers. Cameras in the past decade have amazing 9 point autofocus, eye tracking, wildlife mode, 40 megapixels for cropping purposes, 4K video etc.
Maybe an accomplished bird photographer could be hired via a crowd sourcing go fund me.
A better photo would just reveal another species. The reason they can't get a decent photo is because they are extinct.
@@dogtoddy I dunno, it took me nearly all of 2023 to get a not so hot photo of a pileated and that only happened by stalking the species on eBird.
@@wesb123 where do you live?
@@dogtoddy Arkansas of course
@@wesb123 Pileated Woodpeckers are very common and easy to find and photograph.
I saw an Ivory bill in 1968 when I was 17 as I ditched school and went to the woods! !! This was in Lansing Illinois! It wasn't any bigger than any other woodpecker - maybe it was a young one, who knows!
Any other woodpecker- there’s no established size of a woodpecker. Apologies but this is the issue- non-birders cannot identify birds with the care required to be sure.
It’s only ever the non-birders and the quacks that find these extinct species- you go onto RUclips and all these claimed “ivory bills” are obvious pileated.
Ivory billers are huge- here’s the basics of bird development. Birds grow the most they ever will in the first few weeks after being born. During the end of the breeding season they are almost full grown an can appear sometimes larger then the adults- they will then gain feathering and will leave the nest as a fledgling, they might not be able to fly properly yet and depending on the species might spend the first few days mostly walking on the ground.
An ivory woodpecker is the same size or a similar size to an adult ivory billed woodpecker. Much like how a fledgling pileated is the same size or a similar size to a pileated woodpecker.
The issue, and apologies to you, that many people believe are not aware of these facts and make mistakes much like you did.
No, you didn't. They are bigger than other woodpeckers and they didn't live in northern Illinois.
Apparently there is a population in Cuba that still exists . I still think there is a small population in continental America
The poorer the "evidence" the greater the focus and high tech analyses on same. Irrefutable evidence as presented for similar status species worldwide does not require all this analyses and discussion. It stands on its own. Here's a clear and distinct photo! Period.
This species has habits and locations that make it extremely difficult to image. And, it has low numbers. It makes sense. We will get a clear image eventually.
@@motihealan owl was recently rediscovered in South America- in one of the most expansive rain-forests on earth. It was only seen once and wasn’t actively being looked for- there are images.
The owl wasn’t seen in 100 years, and yet was photographed in an area that is much more remote and expansive then anywhere in the ivory billeds range- owls are much more elusive.
It was seen once- the ivory billed has been seen 19 times. It’s either incompetence or a publicity stunt.
The Ivory Bill is wearing white pants and suspenders 😅
I havent seen it. Ill be honest
I remember these 50+ years ago, as a child. They were in Boulder, Colorado!
They never lived in Colorado.
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More like Lord Ninja Blurred God Bird.
Ivory billed woodpeckers are not rediscovered its for one was found in 2004
It's very possible that they are still alive
I've seen this bird in CNY ! I thought it was a dinosaur it was so huge and my kids didn't believe me until I took a picture ! It reminded me of a Roman solider with its red plum standing up tall on its head and fierce stripe on it's face and going down onto the back and white on the ends of the wings! It took chunks out of the tree! Just Amazing!!!
This thing is taking my old Maple trees apart in my front yard!!
That isn't its habitat, But take pictures and video
This was some good bringing together of evidence. But I'm not like Caleb who keeps on saying "the bird is most likely extinct" ... no, I'd say based on this evidence plus the many credible sightings the last 12 years, along with the work of Matt Courtman, Mike Collins, Bobby Harrison, & others, I would say there are most likely some Ivorybills still around.
There’s a complete lack of evidence… it is most likely extinct.
stop using the Bigfoot cameras to film. Seriously we ALL have 4k cameras in our pockets...why are these videos SOOOOOO bad ?
I don't think the camera quality is the issue. Distance and poor lighting conditions make filming and photographing these birds incredibly difficult.
Why are they still an issue when these people claimed that the ivory bill was returning to the same tree on multiple occasions?
If a group of people can camp out in hide in the middle of the Amazon rainforest then there’s no excuse for lack of proper photographs here.
Also why is there recording equipment in the area- in London independent birders have recording audio for birds which migrate over at night.
I don’t trust evidence from a group of people which have showed such incompetence.
Because if the photos were better, it would be something else.
love the fact how musicians are completely disregarded as humans too and people just steal their stuff without a care in the world like they're nothing. Says a lot about the abuser and society at large. Went to see who did the intro music and not a word on them. Seems like an interesting video, but I wont support a thief.