Will you test or use the new vortex 1-10 with the illuminated dot in the crosshair? I think you had the actual generation on the mr556 but not the new one. I could imagine that with the dot it is even better in close combat used as a reddot in 1x and at least as good as your gen 2 for longer ranges.
Sirs, if you do use a civilian style free float AR, would you mind using one in 6.5 Grendel?? My experience is that it has far less wind drift than 556.
@@johnparrish9215 that's not necessarily true, it can be had for much less than that. Considering that Wolf is now making 6.5 Grendel. The bulk stuff can be bad for $140/500 ( and probably less if you have a local connection) Admittedly still not the price of bulk 5.56 or 7.62x39, by not ungodly.
It involves guns as well, so YT thinks the less we know, the better. Because (of course!) if we don't know how accurate firearms are, murder can be abolished *eye rolls to the back of my skull*
Love the reviews here at 9-Hole! Hope in future they do a review of a HK417 which is latest US military sniper rifle designated the M110A1. Would make for an very interesting shoot off against the older model M110.
Henry the great the SIG MCX is assembled in New Hampshire in the US from parts made in the US with some made in other countries. Sorry but its an American rifle made by a Swiss/German company.
DGK201 no they are not. The MCX hasnt even been introduced into a military trial. The military isnt even conducting military trials currently. They are simply doing research like they did 20 years ago when they discussed replacing the M4 with the HK XM8. Guess what? Never went to trails.
I would love to see you all discuss/compare the LPVOs on the market for different budget categories. At least of the one's you have had experience with. It seems they make a good difference with your course of fire.
I don't think they do low budget category. I would like that too. I can say that I really like the Primary Arms 1-8 ACSS illuminated, particularly the side zoom knob version (unless I'm misremembering that feature.) It is really good, and about the right size etc. With the tube zoom ring, you want to throw one of those zip tie things like Russel Phagan uses on, as quick lever. I wish it went up to ~12x, but it is very hard to beat. ~$300-400 depending on which version. It really is almost an eotech on 1x. The bottom post is too thick at longer ranges, but all in all, it's my pick if you have the budget. I have a nikon 2-7 variable with a BDC which is kinda goofy, meant for 300 BO, but no specified setup. It does similarly, but lacking the horseshoe bit. Also pretty good for around $130 on ebay most of the time. - Note, in general, I would rather have mildot or mrad than some BDC, but any of them still provide a useful reference, even if they don't actually correspond to the trajectory of your specific ammo barrel combo. Nikon has great scopes, but some of the dumbest BDC nonsense. The quick measuring features are generally Okay, but the ACSS system is really well thought out and a nice balance of having useful things which aren't in the way or too distracting or complicated to actually use on a quick shot. Eye relief is very forgiving on 2x, but it isn't going to compare to a red dot. You can have about 1" of linear slop on your cheek weld and still take the shot. That's a lot, but infinite is a whole other deal. So they don't exactly replace a red dot, but I think they cover more applications, and are still better than irons up close. People rant a lot about optical clarity and first focal plane. Nice things for sure, but the real thing you ought to care about is 1. Field of view at distance, bigger being better 2. having a large functional eye relief range, so it's forgiving about awkward firing positions. 3. Clear glass comes next and doesn't make much practical difference until after ~300 meters or so for most people. 4. Whatever the zoom knob position, if it is very stiff, it is almost useless. You find your shot on low or mid, then zoom in. But with a stiff knob, you will lose the target while wrestling with the scope. I've seen this be a problem on some really expensive optics. Made them less useful for practical stuff than a basic tasco whatever. I took it as given that starting power is 3x or lower. Bottom line, I would take a $35 walmart 3x9x40 over iron sights any day. Any glass that you can get properly located relative to your eye is better than any irons. There are a lot of good choices. Get one of them and shoot, rather than not getting one to save up for whatever the internet thinks is the awesomest coolguy gear.
@@GunFunZS thank you for the great info... I agree with everything you said. I'm sure they do not do low budget. But whatever categories they have experience with. I'm sure I have not. I have a cheap 1-4 that well at least holds zero. Eye box is terrible. I don't have the resources to buy different options to try so I was hoping for some good comparisons. Of course I've heard of Primary Arms and vortex. It seems one may have better glass but the other better reticle. And maybe there is an option I've overlooked?
@@alienmediapro Probably many it's a fast growing segment. I personally hope Nikon catches on to what we want. IMO their glass is best per price point. (And I have played with stuff made by Bender and Schmidt and Zeiss and other things of that tier. They are excellent, but if they are optimized to ELR, they suck for any thing else. IMO the price isn't what makes the optic. Being designed for your particular use is. ) Here's the competition grade universal quick zoom lever: www.amazon.com/dp/B009SPDU3C/?coliid=I1CYX2F9N7I384&colid=1WFKH33RH593J&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it And another handy gizmo. www.amazon.com/dp/B075V4HNYY/?coliid=I4C4TDIM6EYS6&colid=1WFKH33RH593J&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it Stick a 6" piece of yarn on the front of your forend as a wind gauge and you cover a lot of bases for being able shoot better a little bit further than is easy to do, while still having a light handy rifle. (trick stolen from the chanel of a guy who does a lot of camo content, and a lot of videos about ACSS, etc. Brent????) It works when I think to use it.
@@alienmediapro I can't think of the name, but there is a company with etched reticle scopes under $300. They have a more complex reticle, but it means that you can have really clear glass, and very accurate holdovers for long range stuff, without the cost of having super precise click mechanisms. Basically, put it on full zoom, and you can always trust your holds to be correct. Kenny at Eagle Eye shooting did a few comparisons of extremely low price point stuff that was letting him shoot past 1K reliably. Look at his earlier vids to see some options. That's more budget long range oriented than the LPVO thing though.
I'm using the Vortex Strike Eagle 1-6x24 on my MR223A3 (the European version of the MR556, which is actually closer to the current HK416s) and I'm very happy with that one. You can get them on sale for under 300 bucks (I paid 330 EUR, including 19% VAT and shipping). There is also a 1-8x24 version which is a bit more expensive (which was part of the reason why I went with 1-6, and because the 1-8 wasn't available over here in Germany when I was looking for one) but obviously offers a bit more magnification.
@Benghali In Platforms You think? I mean H&K has made quite a few lightweight and hightech rifles for their day, the G36 platform is a good example of that.
Nick Graham This is why the new HK433 is more aluminum as opposed to polymer. Somehow it’s 7.14 pounds empty and 7.5 pounds loaded which is light as hell.
@@hicks1748 Oh gotcha. I feel like they may have mentioned the 416 in that video at some point. That's probably why my tiny brain connected it that way.
You should get with Chris from Small Arms Solutions and do the practical accuracy on a piston LWRC. I think it would be cool to see you do two piston AR's back to back and hear your thoughts on how they compare.
This is cool and useful thanks. Would also be cool to see a more extensive comparison of the 416/MR556’s heavy profile stainless steel barrel vs this barrel. The 416’s barrel has zero whip or harmonics, I’d like to see if this one is the same. WTB slowmo vids of both firing in semi auto, full auto, and long range from the bench.
Please try a Sig 716 or Sig 516.......I have them both and they are VERY impressive. Super accurate--4 setting adjustable gas for shooting in adverse conditions and or with a can. Simple and reliable. The MCX has stolen the spotlight but the 716/516 guns are just solid and dependable in my examples. Thank's for another 9-hole review...
I'm loving it, still not completely sold on it over the M16A4, but it's close. I'm kinda screaming internally over which would be the better rifle. But I don't have the money to buy either, so I have some time to make my decision.
M16 is as good as it needs to be. It will shoot better than the operator @99.9% reliability. Anything 'better' is just weighs and costs more, with no practical benefit. The flattop is probably the single biggest improvement that's been made to the platform, since the A2 sights. You can afford a PSA build, that will be the equal of a used Colt A2. Mine, with a MOE stock, Umbrella Corp grip, round handguard and surplus carry handle, is about $375, all in. Just buy a cheap MILSPEC lower from someone, assemble it and wait for sales to finish it out.
Just curious, how do the Titan TD-415 uppers compare to the BRN4 and the genuine HK416? My google-fu says they were very nearly exact clones of the HK416 and gave equal performance. At least until HK hit them with a C&D.
Nothing to do with the rifle, which is awesome. Great shooting Henry. Josh looks like he's freezing. Every few seconds it looks like he's trying to suppress a shiver. Damp conditions, even if the thermometer doesn't really look cold can be miserable.
Ya it was cold - storm rolled and dipped the temp about 20 degrees from planned. Luckily I had some outerwear and gloves in the car...no pants though lol - Josh
I honestly don't think the 416 is more accurate than a DI rifle, since the Brownells XM16 replica had a perfect score (minus shooter error) out to 350 with 55 grain only to have trouble due to inadequate sights and you guys used 55 grain on your M4 videos with the inferior acog. Thoughts?
Almost every weapon at range around 350-400 m shows the first " MISS ".. in almost every videos of yours. Even after that is doing well to 600 even 800m
The hk416 a5 has a 11.5 barrel and adjustable gas block and the otb hk416 that almost le agencies that are usin them have have vented gas blocks that helps with the over gassing and shooting suppressed
For your consideration the Browning BAR Mk III DBM. It's seems like a big seller. I kept looking at it online at Bud's before Christmas. $1,300...I dunno....I dunno...GONE! Sold out! But, I cannot find any reviews of this mysterious semi auto in .308 on RUclips. 🤔 One of the few SA non-AR 308's. Browning if you're out there? Make my case to 9 Hole, please! As always, gentlemen. Great review. Thank you!
Between the increased reciprocating mass of the piston system and the fact that the 416 is over gased to begin with, the recoil increase is to be expected.
I have admittedly been disillusioned thinking that FFP is necessary for shooting at distance with a 5.56 AR, 500m is a fair piece in my mind, and it seems the Razor HD 1-6 GenII E does a fine job in this role.
People do get bent out of shape with FFP. It’s great on scopes like the NX8 where you have a daylight bright German reticle on low power and a nice LR reticle on 8. It’s also nice on a ~5-25 or other high power scope where you may honestly shoot at intermediate setting and still make use of the reticle. For a 2.5-10 or something I’m fine with SFP since I’ll either be shooting on the lowest or highest power.
Try putting your spotter over and behind the shooters right shoulder. Focus your spotting scope 25ish yards in front of the target. You will see bullet trace
Have you thought about taking a BRN-180 to 500 yards? That might prove interesting with the gas system (from which the -416 is derived) and lighter barrel.
Cleanest run I ever seen. For the Semi-Auto rifles. Indeed, good optic, good rifle, and good ammo, and of course a pinch of Henry Chan make a formula of greatness. XD Especially in those weather conditions! Love it! And it does recoil recoil more (MR556) and is crazy heavy in its balance as you guys said. Oh and that take down tool needed for it... Kinda annoying, imo. Especially, if it doesn't really give the rifle anything, but a plecbo effect for people who get bothered by the slight wobble that AR receivers have.
Great channel. I would like to see the HK MR 556 or this going up against a LWRC M6IC. I think would be a good match up. I’ve have dampened the recoil on my M6IC by using an upgraded TacticalSprings buffer springs in a Spike Tactical ST-T2 buffer and install Geissele SSA-E trigger. With no formal training at this time I’m impressed with what I can do with it at 200 yards I would love to see what you guys could do with it. It would be awesome to see a LWRC REPR take the course too.
Top notch shooting lads! Said it before and will say it again: I'm an AK guy but I do love me a 416 Kinda like a different breed of Sweet 16. Keep up the great work!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that wasn't an actual 416, or even a 416 clone? I think instead thats a MR223 or its clone, right? Also, I saw in the video that the upper had the same markings as the real HK416, but I would have thought that would be illegal due to infringement? Or is it a licensed H&K copy or something?
There would be no way that I was going to pay $1800 for scope, so I just topped my AR-15 with Vortex Viper PST 1-6. It is not the same glass, but it is close enough to the Razor Gen II 1-6.
I know this may be a bit out-of-the-way, but i was wondering if you guys could do a comparison of a free-floated and non-free floated barrel using the AR platform (seeing as it's one of the most commonly owned guns in the U.S. nowadays) in both the 20" and 16" versions with Gov't prof barrels. Not only that, but i would also like if y'all did a camparison between the two when using accessories such as a bipod and sling to show how much POI shift would result between them. I think the info would be especially useful for someone who's trying to decide which route to take for what they're going to be doing with their AR, as well as those who like to argue their points on the forums lol. Think that'd be something y'all would look into doing? Edit: The same guns should be used to eliminate as many variables as possible, and to use non-free float rails would mean guns with FSBs installed have to be used. But i think you guys get that. :)
Ok guys, love the concept around your content! You have definitely found a niche. Now step up you game and take the .30 Carbine on the Practical Accuracy course. Find the best shooting carbine (2 MOA?) and see if you can lob them in there.
Rzr2ffe to be honest the ammunition is the biggest advantage here. An ACSS reticle would also be a an advantage, the Razor HD doesn’t have wind hold offs like the ACSS
I love how the shooting conditions are absolute shite on a 500 yrd course, instead of delaying the run for optimal conditions the boys just say "Let's go" and proceed to crush it.
Harder recoil is not because of piston. HK416 is deliberately over gas, over sprung and have very heavy buffer. This is to deliver reliability in hard conditions and/or dirty/dry rifle. I have my HKs “dialed down” for 3Gun shooting and they shoot as smooth as most ARs this side of full Space Gun JP.
I heard Adams Arms is a p.o.s. theres a sherrif dept in FL suing them for $300k for a bunch of junk rifles. Also external piston ARs are the most pointless thing ever. Don't fix what ain't broke!
@@redfirekla im fully aware that the 416 is external piston. As far as the "issue" yes the inside of the BCG gets dirty. Piston guns get dirty as well but its just in a different area, there's no avoiding carbon deposits. At least with the AR all your cleaning is in 1 place the BCG easily removed in 5 seconds... Anyways is carbon in the BCG actually an issue? Does it affect reliability in any way at all? This video is part 4 of a series and it puts that DI poops where it eats unreliable myth to rest forever. 6000 rounds with no lubrication or cleaning all rounds fired 150 at a time in rapid succession. m.ruclips.net/video/_GrZS6NFhvY/видео.html I will admit eternal piston is better at 1 thing and thats not getting as much gas in your face using a suppressor. But there are ways around this with DI such as a Gemtech adjustable bolt carrier, gas buster charging handle or just using a non-baffle zero back pressure style suppressor like an OSS to begin with.
@@toki89666 overall it's a well known thing the German HK-416 us a more reliable design. There's even an old video where water submerged testing reveals the m16 has a major flaw... Seems the Germans fixed all the design flaws if Ugene Stoners M16. I own a few regular PSA chrome linned ARs but everything I'm reading is that piston is better direct competition to the AK platform for reliability
@@redfirekla i provided proof of my claim with the video link I posted. Where's your proof? It seens like the external piston superiority sentiment is largely based on traditional passed down hearsay and feelings. One area I could see the external piston doing better is like you said when rifles are fully submerged and used immediately like for Navy Seals operations but thats just a plausible hunch theres no video proof though. If you do know where some proof of this claim is Id be genuinely interested in seeing it. I just hate all of the gun myths out there, i go with what is demonstrably true.
otetechie my guess would be similar or better performance. I think a lot of rifles would perform similar with quality ammo,glass, and weather conditions. I would love to see how stainless barrel would do.
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You guys really shoot some cool rifles but what I envy the most is that range you've got.
Yeah I would love to push out my PSA AR10 at 500 and 800 yards.
Every range in my state is only 100 or 200 yards
Josh donning Tactical Shorts in the cold rain is an instant like
Looks like shorts and ear muffs! I’ll keep my flannel lined chinos.
You got those feels! Be strong, be proud.
if you look carefully, rain was being funneled into the hood that blew loose and dripping/ pooling near my jeans :|
Pffffft. Nice try. Pants pissed....
Haven’t gotten that far in the video but now can’t Un-read. Also, do a Larue!
Will you test or use the new vortex 1-10 with the illuminated dot in the crosshair? I think you had the actual generation on the mr556 but not the new one. I could imagine that with the dot it is even better in close combat used as a reddot in 1x and at least as good as your gen 2 for longer ranges.
Heh. I was wondering about that hood in the rain...
Please please please, do a PSA budget AR build with real nice glass and see how it stacks up against the $$rifles
2:48 “Off the left edge, on the top li-“
*BOOM*
“Impact.”
Never change Henry, never change.
You would get one tapped in labs with this by a guy who uses gen4 and altyn.
Rickemann kekw
#casualtarkovrefrence
Until the patch comes out that makes it impossible to aim most long guns with a face mask on.
@@cnlbenmc but nvg's aren't face mask ?
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Holy wind, you must have had some 15+ mph winds out there to drift the 77s that much
Bill Bakopoulos 13-22mph that day
Ah yes, jacket, gloves, but still rocking the short pants. Classy
Should've worn short shorts.
Unbelievable for a european. You stop wearing shorts at age 12.
@@humanbeing1675 No?
@@Warptenlololol
No. That doesn't mean that you won't see any low level people with shorts.
I just love how the HK416 looks as well as its outstanding reliability and good performance.
Like all ar15s ...lol yep
@@sleigh4019 then what about the "over the beach test"? Die Ar 15 Breaks and the hk416 survives
@@NickSap.oh you mean the video filmed by HK with extreme bias where they dumped the water out of the 416 and not the M4? Lmfao
@@pineapple999100 Show me minute of the video
Sirs, if you do use a civilian style free float AR, would you mind using one in 6.5 Grendel??
My experience is that it has far less wind drift than 556.
Round cost is the big difference to me
@@mustanglx2 The cheap stuff is $8 per 20. The hunting and match grade is expensive.
Why bother
@@johnparrish9215 that's not necessarily true, it can be had for much less than that. Considering that Wolf is now making 6.5 Grendel.
The bulk stuff can be bad for $140/500 ( and probably less if you have a local connection)
Admittedly still not the price of bulk 5.56 or 7.62x39, by not ungodly.
Maybe or maybe go for the float tech occipital condiments...its hard to tell bro ....but that's my opinion
Congrats on setting a new record with the HK416 clone!
this is now my favorite RUclips gun channel. Thank you guys for keeping it honest.
Welcome to 9 hole reviews. Where RUclips doesn't actually send out notifications.
*sigh* we're not a youtube partner, so they pretty "meh" with us.
doesn't even show up in my sub feed anymore :(
It involves guns as well, so YT thinks the less we know, the better. Because (of course!) if we don't know how accurate firearms are, murder can be abolished *eye rolls to the back of my skull*
Look at the graph Karl from Forgotten Weapons just put up of how it looks when shadowban hits.
incorrect guys.... the garbage rod had a perfect score;)
Love the reviews here at 9-Hole! Hope in future they do a review of a HK417 which is latest US military sniper rifle designated the M110A1. Would make for an very interesting shoot off against the older model M110.
Great shooting and thanks for the dedication shooting in this weather.
San Antonio Laser Engraving does legit work on that lower. They have an agreement with HK with the trademarking.
I miss...Josh's communicate "neutralized"...so seldom since some time
Yeah, Only did it on 450
Great timing on break time for 9-holes
Lol, same here, just clocked out for lunch. 2 PM EST.
bon appetite, gents.
When SIG MCX?
rattler!
@@fichehwang732 fuk yea
Henry the great the SIG MCX is assembled in New Hampshire in the US from parts made in the US with some made in other countries. Sorry but its an American rifle made by a Swiss/German company.
DGK201 asserts a weapon will be adopted with no military trails done 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
DGK201 no they are not. The MCX hasnt even been introduced into a military trial. The military isnt even conducting military trials currently. They are simply doing research like they did 20 years ago when they discussed replacing the M4 with the HK XM8. Guess what? Never went to trails.
I would love to see you all discuss/compare the LPVOs on the market for different budget categories. At least of the one's you have had experience with. It seems they make a good difference with your course of fire.
I don't think they do low budget category. I would like that too.
I can say that I really like the Primary Arms 1-8 ACSS illuminated, particularly the side zoom knob version (unless I'm misremembering that feature.) It is really good, and about the right size etc. With the tube zoom ring, you want to throw one of those zip tie things like Russel Phagan uses on, as quick lever. I wish it went up to ~12x, but it is very hard to beat. ~$300-400 depending on which version. It really is almost an eotech on 1x. The bottom post is too thick at longer ranges, but all in all, it's my pick if you have the budget.
I have a nikon 2-7 variable with a BDC which is kinda goofy, meant for 300 BO, but no specified setup. It does similarly, but lacking the horseshoe bit. Also pretty good for around $130 on ebay most of the time.
- Note, in general, I would rather have mildot or mrad than some BDC, but any of them still provide a useful reference, even if they don't actually correspond to the trajectory of your specific ammo barrel combo. Nikon has great scopes, but some of the dumbest BDC nonsense. The quick measuring features are generally Okay, but the ACSS system is really well thought out and a nice balance of having useful things which aren't in the way or too distracting or complicated to actually use on a quick shot. Eye relief is very forgiving on 2x, but it isn't going to compare to a red dot. You can have about 1" of linear slop on your cheek weld and still take the shot. That's a lot, but infinite is a whole other deal. So they don't exactly replace a red dot, but I think they cover more applications, and are still better than irons up close.
People rant a lot about optical clarity and first focal plane. Nice things for sure, but the real thing you ought to care about is 1. Field of view at distance, bigger being better 2. having a large functional eye relief range, so it's forgiving about awkward firing positions. 3. Clear glass comes next and doesn't make much practical difference until after ~300 meters or so for most people. 4. Whatever the zoom knob position, if it is very stiff, it is almost useless. You find your shot on low or mid, then zoom in. But with a stiff knob, you will lose the target while wrestling with the scope. I've seen this be a problem on some really expensive optics. Made them less useful for practical stuff than a basic tasco whatever.
I took it as given that starting power is 3x or lower.
Bottom line, I would take a $35 walmart 3x9x40 over iron sights any day. Any glass that you can get properly located relative to your eye is better than any irons. There are a lot of good choices. Get one of them and shoot, rather than not getting one to save up for whatever the internet thinks is the awesomest coolguy gear.
@@GunFunZS thank you for the great info... I agree with everything you said. I'm sure they do not do low budget. But whatever categories they have experience with. I'm sure I have not.
I have a cheap 1-4 that well at least holds zero. Eye box is terrible. I don't have the resources to buy different options to try so I was hoping for some good comparisons.
Of course I've heard of Primary Arms and vortex. It seems one may have better glass but the other better reticle. And maybe there is an option I've overlooked?
@@alienmediapro Probably many it's a fast growing segment. I personally hope Nikon catches on to what we want. IMO their glass is best per price point.
(And I have played with stuff made by Bender and Schmidt and Zeiss and other things of that tier. They are excellent, but if they are optimized to ELR, they suck for any thing else. IMO the price isn't what makes the optic. Being designed for your particular use is. )
Here's the competition grade universal quick zoom lever: www.amazon.com/dp/B009SPDU3C/?coliid=I1CYX2F9N7I384&colid=1WFKH33RH593J&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
And another handy gizmo. www.amazon.com/dp/B075V4HNYY/?coliid=I4C4TDIM6EYS6&colid=1WFKH33RH593J&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
Stick a 6" piece of yarn on the front of your forend as a wind gauge and you cover a lot of bases for being able shoot better a little bit further than is easy to do, while still having a light handy rifle. (trick stolen from the chanel of a guy who does a lot of camo content, and a lot of videos about ACSS, etc. Brent????) It works when I think to use it.
@@alienmediapro I can't think of the name, but there is a company with etched reticle scopes under $300. They have a more complex reticle, but it means that you can have really clear glass, and very accurate holdovers for long range stuff, without the cost of having super precise click mechanisms. Basically, put it on full zoom, and you can always trust your holds to be correct. Kenny at Eagle Eye shooting did a few comparisons of extremely low price point stuff that was letting him shoot past 1K reliably. Look at his earlier vids to see some options. That's more budget long range oriented than the LPVO thing though.
I'm using the Vortex Strike Eagle 1-6x24 on my MR223A3 (the European version of the MR556, which is actually closer to the current HK416s) and I'm very happy with that one. You can get them on sale for under 300 bucks (I paid 330 EUR, including 19% VAT and shipping). There is also a 1-8x24 version which is a bit more expensive (which was part of the reason why I went with 1-6, and because the 1-8 wasn't available over here in Germany when I was looking for one) but obviously offers a bit more magnification.
I love how it's even less of a real HK, but also costs more than the real HK.
This is like Peak Fanboy brain worms bait...
What bothers me is it is so heavy for a 556 rifle and still has significant recoil
@Benghali In Platforms You think? I mean H&K has made quite a few lightweight and hightech rifles for their day, the G36 platform is a good example of that.
@@pieterveenders9793 yes but lets not pretend that "lightweight" construction didnt effect accuracy and prolonged sustained fire in hot climates.
Nick Graham This is why the new HK433 is more aluminum as opposed to polymer. Somehow it’s 7.14 pounds empty and 7.5 pounds loaded which is light as hell.
@@nemisous83 You do realize that the accuracy complaints were completely overblown by a defense minister trying to shake things around, right?
Lovin the shorts/Fargo upper Josh is running
i thought for sure I saw this already
Jon Turn They shot the MR556, this is a HK416.
@@hicks1748 Oh gotcha. I feel like they may have mentioned the 416 in that video at some point. That's probably why my tiny brain connected it that way.
The mr556 is the civilian hk416 by hk, this one is a civilian clone of the hk416.
When will you review the T91 (Wolf A1) ?
You should get with Chris from Small Arms Solutions and do the practical accuracy on a piston LWRC. I think it would be cool to see you do two piston AR's back to back and hear your thoughts on how they compare.
....huh? Jackets..AND shorts? GREAT job with the 416 clone..
Still Rocking shorts even when wearing gloves. Thats what I call determination. Good shootin' lads!
Best reviews on RUclips. Superb work. You guys are an asset to the community.
Thanks drew! glad to be around
This is cool and useful thanks. Would also be cool to see a more extensive comparison of the 416/MR556’s heavy profile stainless steel barrel vs this barrel. The 416’s barrel has zero whip or harmonics, I’d like to see if this one is the same. WTB slowmo vids of both firing in semi auto, full auto, and long range from the bench.
I love that optic.
Please try a Sig 716 or Sig 516.......I have them both and they are VERY impressive. Super accurate--4 setting adjustable gas for shooting in adverse conditions and or with a can. Simple and reliable. The MCX has stolen the spotlight but the 716/516 guns are just solid and dependable in my examples. Thank's for another 9-hole review...
I'm loving it, still not completely sold on it over the M16A4, but it's close.
I'm kinda screaming internally over which would be the better rifle. But I don't have the money to buy either, so I have some time to make my decision.
KristophShmit ask a marine that has carried both. The M27 is a tank. The best service rifle around right now.
M16 is as good as it needs to be. It will shoot better than the operator @99.9% reliability. Anything 'better' is just weighs and costs more, with no practical benefit. The flattop is probably the single biggest improvement that's been made to the platform, since the A2 sights.
You can afford a PSA build, that will be the equal of a used Colt A2. Mine, with a MOE stock, Umbrella Corp grip, round handguard and surplus carry handle, is about $375, all in. Just buy a cheap MILSPEC lower from someone, assemble it and wait for sales to finish it out.
@@hockeyginger1
Since he cant have a machinegun, the M27 is irrelevant.
Spring Bloom Not at all. The M27 is just a heavy 416 with an autosear.
@@ToastbackWhale
Um, yes. And since he's not going to be running full auto, its completely unnecessary.
Compare it to Wolf A1?
The mr223a3 doesn’t have the locked takedown pins that require a tool.
Nice scope.
Just curious, how do the Titan TD-415 uppers compare to the BRN4 and the genuine HK416? My google-fu says they were very nearly exact clones of the HK416 and gave equal performance. At least until HK hit them with a C&D.
Titan TD uppers work for what they are, however they are made out of spec. People on HKPro have tried mixing genuine HK parts with them to no avail.
MR 762 one day ?
That would be too easy, I have one and it's great, except you need a small allen key to perform the take down.
Nice as always :)
I woulde like to see mor swiss guns for exampel a zfk 55 or a sig 510 or a sig 550.
the end was total gold xD
but then again, I argue all your videos are!
Nothing to do with the rifle, which is awesome. Great shooting Henry. Josh looks like he's freezing. Every few seconds it looks like he's trying to suppress a shiver. Damp conditions, even if the thermometer doesn't really look cold can be miserable.
Ya it was cold - storm rolled and dipped the temp about 20 degrees from planned. Luckily I had some outerwear and gloves in the car...no pants though lol - Josh
I would like to see some more long range ar15 SBR videos but with 77 grain I’m curious
Do I hear a 500 yds practical accuracy video(s) for the Mk18 Mod 1 and M4A1 SOPMOD Block 2?
I honestly don't think the 416 is more accurate than a DI rifle, since the Brownells XM16 replica had a perfect score (minus shooter error) out to 350 with 55 grain only to have trouble due to inadequate sights and you guys used 55 grain on your M4 videos with the inferior acog. Thoughts?
Almost every weapon at range around 350-400 m shows the first " MISS ".. in almost every videos of yours.
Even after that is doing well to 600 even 800m
The hk416 a5 has a 11.5 barrel and adjustable gas block and the otb hk416 that almost le agencies that are usin them have have vented gas blocks that helps with the over gassing and shooting suppressed
For your consideration the Browning BAR Mk III DBM. It's seems like a big seller. I kept looking at it online at Bud's before Christmas. $1,300...I dunno....I dunno...GONE! Sold out! But, I cannot find any reviews of this mysterious semi auto in .308 on RUclips. 🤔 One of the few SA non-AR 308's. Browning if you're out there? Make my case to 9 Hole, please! As always, gentlemen. Great review. Thank you!
Between the increased reciprocating mass of the piston system and the fact that the 416 is over gased to begin with, the recoil increase is to be expected.
A big downside of the MR556 is the lack of chrome line/nitride barrel.
I had to have mine replaced under 10K rounds.
I have admittedly been disillusioned thinking that FFP is necessary for shooting at distance with a 5.56 AR, 500m is a fair piece in my mind, and it seems the Razor HD 1-6 GenII E does a fine job in this role.
People do get bent out of shape with FFP. It’s great on scopes like the NX8 where you have a daylight bright German reticle on low power and a nice LR reticle on 8. It’s also nice on a ~5-25 or other high power scope where you may honestly shoot at intermediate setting and still make use of the reticle. For a 2.5-10 or something I’m fine with SFP since I’ll either be shooting on the lowest or highest power.
@@K-bob_45 agreed!
Try putting your spotter over and behind the shooters right shoulder. Focus your spotting scope 25ish yards in front of the target. You will see bullet trace
Any change you put the Robinsonarm xcr-l and the xcr-m throught this ?
Wow! No Bullshit this is a great carbine when zeroed properly by an great rifleman! You the MAN!! You are the weapon system!!!
I'd love to see a USMC IAR test!
Have you thought about taking a BRN-180 to 500 yards? That might prove interesting with the gas system (from which the -416 is derived) and lighter barrel.
Cleanest run I ever seen. For the Semi-Auto rifles. Indeed, good optic, good rifle, and good ammo, and of course a pinch of Henry Chan make a formula of greatness. XD Especially in those weather conditions! Love it!
And it does recoil recoil more (MR556) and is crazy heavy in its balance as you guys said. Oh and that take down tool needed for it... Kinda annoying, imo. Especially, if it doesn't really give the rifle anything, but a plecbo effect for people who get bothered by the slight wobble that AR receivers have.
Great channel. I would like to see the HK MR 556 or this going up against a LWRC M6IC. I think would be a good match up. I’ve have dampened the recoil on my M6IC by using an upgraded TacticalSprings buffer springs in a Spike Tactical ST-T2 buffer and install Geissele SSA-E trigger. With no formal training at this time I’m impressed with what I can do with it at 200 yards I would love to see what you guys could do with it. It would be awesome to see a LWRC REPR take the course too.
Top notch shooting lads!
Said it before and will say it again: I'm an AK guy but I do love me a 416
Kinda like a different breed of Sweet 16.
Keep up the great work!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that wasn't an actual 416, or even a 416 clone? I think instead thats a MR223 or its clone, right? Also, I saw in the video that the upper had the same markings as the real HK416, but I would have thought that would be illegal due to infringement? Or is it a licensed H&K copy or something?
@@pieterveenders9793 Check the description. Should give better clarity than I can explain
There would be no way that I was going to pay $1800 for scope, so I just topped my AR-15 with Vortex Viper PST 1-6. It is not the same glass, but it is close enough to the Razor Gen II 1-6.
I know this may be a bit out-of-the-way, but i was wondering if you guys could do a comparison of a free-floated and non-free floated barrel using the AR platform (seeing as it's one of the most commonly owned guns in the U.S. nowadays) in both the 20" and 16" versions with Gov't prof barrels. Not only that, but i would also like if y'all did a camparison between the two when using accessories such as a bipod and sling to show how much POI shift would result between them. I think the info would be especially useful for someone who's trying to decide which route to take for what they're going to be doing with their AR, as well as those who like to argue their points on the forums lol.
Think that'd be something y'all would look into doing?
Edit: The same guns should be used to eliminate as many variables as possible, and to use non-free float rails would mean guns with FSBs installed have to be used. But i think you guys get that. :)
How about an FN M249S? Same bolt and barrel as the military service M249. Good trigger for a semi-auto conversion of an open bolt machine gun.
Now try an 18 inch .223 Wylde match grade barrel. Free float handguard And a FFP 1-8x primary arms and gas system rifle length DI rifle
19 round new record with bad weather wow
Charlie Mike !! Warthog71 says that a lot
I hope you guys can get a hold of the MR762 and show us its capabilities
“I like the way you talk…mm hmm.”
Spoken like “Sling Blade”. 🤠
A superb rifle guys how much was the build?... Thinking about building one from Brownells
Ok guys, love the concept around your content! You have definitely found a niche. Now step up you game and take the .30 Carbine on the Practical Accuracy course. Find the best shooting carbine (2 MOA?) and see if you can lob them in there.
New record on a windy day? Nice
I'm surprised some of those birds haven't been totally shredded by spalling off of those steel targets...
I want to see a regular AR15 a civilian would have like a Ruger 556 with a 1-6 optic and do this same practical accuracy test.
8.8 lbs AR-15 pattern rifle is a no go!
Can you get a 16 in BCM RECCE rifle with an LPVO?
G36 type gas system are over gased, it's a matter of fact, thus, the noticeable increase in recoil, despite the extra mass.
Great video despite the weather conditions. Great shooting, and analysis. Excellent work gents!😃😃😃
Great video, Henry! Thank you!
Woah, that's a very nice run for a 556 service rifle
Shorts Josh? Rock on!
Won't the Razor HD kind of unfairly enhance it's performance against the others?
Rzr2ffe to be honest the ammunition is the biggest advantage here. An ACSS reticle would also be a an advantage, the Razor HD doesn’t have wind hold offs like the ACSS
Please do cz bren 2 in both 762 39 and 556.
In the first 3 seconds I knew I was going to love this video! :)
I love how the shooting conditions are absolute shite on a 500 yrd course, instead of delaying the run for optimal conditions the boys just say "Let's go" and proceed to crush it.
Harder recoil is not because of piston. HK416 is deliberately over gas, over sprung and have very heavy buffer. This is to deliver reliability in hard conditions and/or dirty/dry rifle. I have my HKs “dialed down” for 3Gun shooting and they shoot as smooth as most ARs this side of full Space Gun JP.
Please shoot a sig sauer M400 tread! Please I want to see you guys run of those!!!!
Makes you wonder if it would have had a perfect run in a no wind environment.
The only good thing about italy is that you can buy the real fully HK made for about 2.5k€ ~ 3k$
Would luv to see a comparison with the American equivalent Adams Arms.
I heard Adams Arms is a p.o.s. theres a sherrif dept in FL suing them for $300k for a bunch of junk rifles. Also external piston ARs are the most pointless thing ever. Don't fix what ain't broke!
@@toki89666 well what their testing is a piston driven AR and it fixes the reliability and the bcg getting super dirty issue.
@@redfirekla im fully aware that the 416 is external piston. As far as the "issue" yes the inside of the BCG gets dirty. Piston guns get dirty as well but its just in a different area, there's no avoiding carbon deposits. At least with the AR all your cleaning is in 1 place the BCG easily removed in 5 seconds...
Anyways is carbon in the BCG actually an issue? Does it affect reliability in any way at all?
This video is part 4 of a series and it puts that DI poops where it eats unreliable myth to rest forever. 6000 rounds with no lubrication or cleaning all rounds fired 150 at a time in rapid succession.
m.ruclips.net/video/_GrZS6NFhvY/видео.html
I will admit eternal piston is better at 1 thing and thats not getting as much gas in your face using a suppressor. But there are ways around this with DI such as a Gemtech adjustable bolt carrier, gas buster charging handle or just using a non-baffle zero back pressure style suppressor like an OSS to begin with.
@@toki89666 overall it's a well known thing the German HK-416 us a more reliable design. There's even an old video where water submerged testing reveals the m16 has a major flaw... Seems the Germans fixed all the design flaws if Ugene Stoners M16. I own a few regular PSA chrome linned ARs but everything I'm reading is that piston is better direct competition to the AK platform for reliability
@@redfirekla i provided proof of my claim with the video link I posted. Where's your proof? It seens like the external piston superiority sentiment is largely based on traditional passed down hearsay and feelings.
One area I could see the external piston doing better is like you said when rifles are fully submerged and used immediately like for Navy Seals operations but thats just a plausible hunch theres no video proof though. If you do know where some proof of this claim is Id be genuinely interested in seeing it. I just hate all of the gun myths out there, i go with what is demonstrably true.
Is there a possibility of you guys doing a inrangetv collaboration and shooting a WWSD rifle? Or even when they conclude their WWSD2020 project?
Beretta ARX!!
77 grain is the only ammo that should be issued for 5.56 rifles. It is my duty ammo and it actually makes the 5.56 a decent stopper.
Man Josh was regretting those shorts all day I imagine.
Imagine the army just adopting the 416 in re chambered 6.8
It would be interesting to see how an SR15 does. It would be a fair DI competition.
otetechie my guess would be similar or better performance. I think a lot of rifles would perform similar with quality ammo,glass, and weather conditions. I would love to see how stainless barrel would do.
Great video, as always. I really want to see a 6.8mm rifle in action.
Love the channel.
0:55 hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Charlie Mike...Charlie Mike!!!!!!
Charlie Oscar Oscar November a police man kept saying this to me ....I'm confused lol
@@dalroache hahahahah
Damn. Only a few wind misses.
No wonder the armed forces and special operations are adopting this rifle rapidly
Hey Guys, I really enjoy your chanel. I would like to see you review the Desert Tech MDR 308 and the HK MR308.
Any chance you could revisit some of the older nostalgic rifles like the Lee Enfield, kar98k, ak74 and such but with modern glass?
just wondering, will we see the MCX or some sort of lever action or single shot?
Do a free float 16" 1:8 twist with a .223 wylde chamber.