@@quadexes not to me, especially cuz kobe and mike are more skilled than him but we all weigh things differently. its a catastrophe that a player of that magnitude lost 6 nba finals. at worst he's the 3rd best to ever do it, yet im supposed to believe he was just helpless every time he lost? and im supposed to believe regular season stats from the backend of his career makes up for it? i cant do it. he's averaged 25ppg plenty of times, 4x mvp, 900x all nba, he needed those championships. it was easy enough in a weak east with a big 3 every year from 2011-2017. i respect his game, i respect the longevity, im a fan for sure, but i cant gloss over the finals outside of 2007 and 2018
@@matttheknicksfanok let’s not, Id rather go to 10 Finals And win 4, then only go to 6 finals, Lebron has faced way harder comp in the finals, you Take the KD Warriors and they are washing any 90’s team by 40
bro yall gotta be 15 years old or something. Not everything about basketball is about athleticism. Steve Nash IQ was off the charts as a point guard unmatched. He had a ball handle on a stick and he had a killer three point spot up. And cherry on top, his passing ability was amazing@@FlukasGlazyMMA
@@FlukasGlazyMMAhe’d definitely be an All Star in today’s game. He was a premier 50/40/90 guy and consistently dropping 15-18 ppg with double digit assists per game. As long as is he’s on a good team, he’s making at least a couple
Los just proved his dads point when trying to dismiss Nash saying he’s from 20 years ago… Ya Nash was drafted in the 90s💀 This generation for sure has more talent but it’s not the same defense as before in the 90s that’s the difference Stockton would have a better career in today nba with the lack of defense
Bron isn't the goat. To have a superteam and have a meltdown to the mavs makes him not the goat. People want to say jordan had Pippen and rodman and it was rigged. But when bron had bosh and wade and a better overall team than the bulls, he choked still.
“The difference between you and me is that they had to change the rules so l couldn't dominate. They changed the rules so that you could.” Wilt Imagine if they changed the rules for lebron.
Yea and that same mavs team beat Okc with kd, russ, ibaka, and harden. Same team beat lakers kobe gasol bynum. Mavs was on a generational run. That championship solidified Dirks case as a HOF and probably one of the best PF’s ever.
@@elpatronmane did you ever think that half the league currently wouldn't be able to get a shot off in the 90s? Yes everybody appears to be better but they aren't. They just can't be touched at all because of the rules.
@@416joker7 Meltdown against the Mavs while being on superteam is what keeps him from being the goat. Can't choke on a superteam. Imagine if KD didn't win a ring with the busted golden state team. And I mean at full health.
LeBron is the greatest player of this era and most of that is to do with longevity, but I don't see how you can put him above a guy who did a lot more in less time. The people who try to give Bron that #1 spot main argument is to belittle Jordan's competition, but then proceed to still put him at 2 lmao.
because lebron is a better scorer, passer, rebounder, and you could argue defender. he has a better fg and 3pt percentage than jordan. easily better passer and rebounder and he can and has guarded positions 1-5 not even mentioning the clearly more skilled players he guarded that surpass anyone jordan has ever faced
@@quadexesjordan averaged more points, more steals, same blocks, and actually has a dpoy in significantly less time. A dude from 40 years ago still outshines the most gifted player of this gen
@@PervySage723 Yeah the difference there is Jordan played Gary Payton, Jeff Hornaceck, John Stockton while Lebron has played Kevin Durant, Kawhi Leonard, etc. and jordan was putting up 30-40 shots a game😂 Lebron has only done that a handful of times in his long career and one of those times he dropped 60. Jordan also didn’t have to deal with the same help defense LeBron sees. Opponents had to come from the opposing block to defend an attacking player. Lebron is the only player to average a triple double in the NBA Finals, no not even jordan. You could also mention how Jordan had one of the best two way players of all time for 6 years of career. Lebron also shoots higher fg, and 3pt percentage and has a higher percentage in “clutch time”. Just stating facts
If you had a time machine, and took 1998 john stockton and put him on a court with nba players today who have 30 years of advancements in technology, training and in the game of basketball, obviously he would get destroyed. thats common sense. Thats why you cant compare eras though. You could say the same thing about literally any sport.
Conversations like this is why I call Kobe the goat…. Won when defense was the epitome of basketball and did it easily. Then adapted to the new era and won again
All imma say is, how can you be the goat is you have a losing record in the finals. Imagine if Tom Brady was 3-7 in Super Bowls. He wouldn't be the goat
i believe jordan the goat but saying that because lebron has made it to the finals so many times with sub par teams compared to his compete for in the finals, it is somehow bad for his goat case for him to make it to the finals so many years in a row
Meltdown against the Mavs while being on superteam is what keeps him from being the goat. Can't choke on a superteam. Imagine if KD didn't win a ring with the busted golden state team. And I mean at full health.
@@PurpleGengar822 it was basically impossible for kd to choke m8 if u saw Harrison Barnes in 2016 finals so don't bring that up they lost it by 4 points when Curry was so bad so don't try that pls giv a better example lebron to the heat was much more important than kd to the warriors
@@Retro5609 you're missing my point. They both joined a super team. Only one guy had an embarrassing performance on that team in a series and lost. The other guy didn't. He's out of the goat conversation because of that.
John Stockton is a better Chris Paul😭I’m pretty sure he could start ona team like Houston or Detroit or even wit the hornets ,just cause some of those kids are more athletic doesn’t mean they’re better basketball players😭
I hate how Lebron fans bring up how Jordan was worse at than 3’s than Lebron is, my dad always tells me, Jordan only took 3’s when HE NEEDED TO or when the 3 was there, an ex. of that is when he was wide open, but Jordan probably barely trained and practiced to shoot the 3 ball, in today’s Nba he’d OBVIOUSLY practice and train to be a great 3 point shooter, and I believe if Jordan played in today’s game, he’d be a phenomenal 3 point shooter probably taking like 5 or 6 a game on 40% so yes Jordan had NO FLAWS!!!!! He can score, pass, rebound, defend, shoot, dunk, and handle/dribble the ball just go watch the highlights!!!!!! Everything you need to see, is there!!!!!
Yet Los will tell u magic is better then Steph hypocrite….. How is Jordan overrated Los he is widely considered the greatest athlete in sports history his resume speaks for itself most people in real life who know basketball would agree with this except the internet who is full of losers Lebron is 2nd. U can’t compare eras because athletes constantly get better u can only judge players against their contemporaries and Jordan was more dominant even in the 80s as a individual player
Jordan is overrated because he played in a weak era, also help defense was not allowed while he played. Also jordan had one of the greatest coaches of all time. Jordan also never had a season above .500 without Scottie.
I’m not taking anything 1/9 says seriously concerning the game of basketball
you cant be the GOAT when your GOAT case is more about why you couldnt win than when you actually won
can’t you be the goat if you surpass everyone in a certain skill or aspect of basketball though?
@@quadexes not to me, especially cuz kobe and mike are more skilled than him but we all weigh things differently. its a catastrophe that a player of that magnitude lost 6 nba finals. at worst he's the 3rd best to ever do it, yet im supposed to believe he was just helpless every time he lost? and im supposed to believe regular season stats from the backend of his career makes up for it? i cant do it. he's averaged 25ppg plenty of times, 4x mvp, 900x all nba, he needed those championships. it was easy enough in a weak east with a big 3 every year from 2011-2017. i respect his game, i respect the longevity, im a fan for sure, but i cant gloss over the finals outside of 2007 and 2018
@@matttheknicksfanKobe is a chucker stop it
@@matttheknicksfanok let’s not, Id rather go to 10 Finals And win 4, then only go to 6 finals, Lebron has faced way harder comp in the finals, you Take the KD Warriors and they are washing any 90’s team by 40
@@Comicedits39so you would rather win 4 than 6? Dumbest thing I’ve heard
Los Might have the worse takes than flight
brother prime steve nash is for sure a starter in todays nba
Ok but he’s not an all star in todays game. He could start for some teams I guess.
He could only start for the pistons or wizards
Steve Nash is definitely an exception but he had more of a game that's suited to the NBA today great 3 hunter and assist man
bro yall gotta be 15 years old or something. Not everything about basketball is about athleticism. Steve Nash IQ was off the charts as a point guard unmatched. He had a ball handle on a stick and he had a killer three point spot up. And cherry on top, his passing ability was amazing@@FlukasGlazyMMA
@@FlukasGlazyMMAhe’d definitely be an All Star in today’s game. He was a premier 50/40/90 guy and consistently dropping 15-18 ppg with double digit assists per game. As long as is he’s on a good team, he’s making at least a couple
Los just proved his dads point when trying to dismiss Nash saying he’s from 20 years ago… Ya Nash was drafted in the 90s💀 This generation for sure has more talent but it’s not the same defense as before in the 90s that’s the difference Stockton would have a better career in today nba with the lack of defense
Stockton is worse than Steve Nash.
Bron isn't the goat. To have a superteam and have a meltdown to the mavs makes him not the goat. People want to say jordan had Pippen and rodman and it was rigged. But when bron had bosh and wade and a better overall team than the bulls, he choked still.
“The difference between you and me is that they had to change the rules so l couldn't dominate. They changed the rules so that you could.” Wilt
Imagine if they changed the rules for lebron.
Yea and that same mavs team beat Okc with kd, russ, ibaka, and harden. Same team beat lakers kobe gasol bynum. Mavs was on a generational run. That championship solidified Dirks case as a HOF and probably one of the best PF’s ever.
They played horrible opponents. We done with the 90s unc
@@elpatronmane did you ever think that half the league currently wouldn't be able to get a shot off in the 90s? Yes everybody appears to be better but they aren't. They just can't be touched at all because of the rules.
@@416joker7 Meltdown against the Mavs while being on superteam is what keeps him from being the goat. Can't choke on a superteam. Imagine if KD didn't win a ring with the busted golden state team. And I mean at full health.
LeBron is the greatest player of this era and most of that is to do with longevity, but I don't see how you can put him above a guy who did a lot more in less time. The people who try to give Bron that #1 spot main argument is to belittle Jordan's competition, but then proceed to still put him at 2 lmao.
because lebron is a better scorer, passer, rebounder, and you could argue defender. he has a better fg and 3pt percentage than jordan. easily better passer and rebounder and he can and has guarded positions 1-5 not even mentioning the clearly more skilled players he guarded that surpass anyone jordan has ever faced
@@quadexesjordan averaged more points, more steals, same blocks, and actually has a dpoy in significantly less time. A dude from 40 years ago still outshines the most gifted player of this gen
@@PervySage723 Yeah the difference there is Jordan played Gary Payton, Jeff Hornaceck, John Stockton while Lebron has played Kevin Durant, Kawhi Leonard, etc. and jordan was putting up 30-40 shots a game😂 Lebron has only done that a handful of times in his long career and one of those times he dropped 60. Jordan also didn’t have to deal with the same help defense LeBron sees. Opponents had to come from the opposing block to defend an attacking player. Lebron is the only player to average a triple double in the NBA Finals, no not even jordan. You could also mention how Jordan had one of the best two way players of all time for 6 years of career. Lebron also shoots higher fg, and 3pt percentage and has a higher percentage in “clutch time”. Just stating facts
@@quadexes youre leaving out many players from jordans era and have almost no others left to mention for lebron
@@PervySage723 Tim Duncan, Dirk, Giannis, James Harden, Paul Pierce, D Rose, Tatum, Lillard, Chris Paul, Melo
If you had a time machine, and took 1998 john stockton and put him on a court with nba players today who have 30 years of advancements in technology, training and in the game of basketball, obviously he would get destroyed. thats common sense. Thats why you cant compare eras though. You could say the same thing about literally any sport.
Exactly
Yes that’s why Lebron will always a be a better player than Jordan
@@quadexes You missed the point but ok
Conversations like this is why I call Kobe the goat…. Won when defense was the epitome of basketball and did it easily. Then adapted to the new era and won again
He’s not top 5
Buddy said Kobe 💀
All imma say is, how can you be the goat is you have a losing record in the finals. Imagine if Tom Brady was 3-7 in Super Bowls. He wouldn't be the goat
Well he is 2nd good enough
i believe jordan the goat but saying that because lebron has made it to the finals so many times with sub par teams compared to his compete for in the finals, it is somehow bad for his goat case for him to make it to the finals so many years in a row
Meltdown against the Mavs while being on superteam is what keeps him from being the goat. Can't choke on a superteam. Imagine if KD didn't win a ring with the busted golden state team. And I mean at full health.
@@PurpleGengar822 it was basically impossible for kd to choke m8 if u saw Harrison Barnes in 2016 finals so don't bring that up they lost it by 4 points when Curry was so bad so don't try that pls giv a better example lebron to the heat was much more important than kd to the warriors
@@Retro5609 you're missing my point. They both joined a super team. Only one guy had an embarrassing performance on that team in a series and lost. The other guy didn't. He's out of the goat conversation because of that.
Bro streams like twice a month and comes back just to yap
stockton wouldnt even make a g league team in todays nba thats just facts if you like it or not
did he get 95 percent of his dna from his father?
John Stockton is a better Chris Paul😭I’m pretty sure he could start ona team like Houston or Detroit or even wit the hornets ,just cause some of those kids are more athletic doesn’t mean they’re better basketball players😭
@LosPollosTV EXTRA idk if uk los but can u get permission from him to stream his streams live on here !
Such a useless debate
I hate how Lebron fans bring up how Jordan was worse at than 3’s than Lebron is, my dad always tells me, Jordan only took 3’s when HE NEEDED TO or when the 3 was there, an ex. of that is when he was wide open, but Jordan probably barely trained and practiced to shoot the 3 ball, in today’s Nba he’d OBVIOUSLY practice and train to be a great 3 point shooter, and I believe if Jordan played in today’s game, he’d be a phenomenal 3 point shooter probably taking like 5 or 6 a game on 40% so yes Jordan had NO FLAWS!!!!! He can score, pass, rebound, defend, shoot, dunk, and handle/dribble the ball just go watch the highlights!!!!!! Everything you need to see, is there!!!!!
lebrons the goat if you like it or not. hes clearly more skilled and played in a harder era
Yet Los will tell u magic is better then Steph hypocrite….. How is Jordan overrated Los he is widely considered the greatest athlete in sports history his resume speaks for itself most people in real life who know basketball would agree with this except the internet who is full of losers Lebron is 2nd. U can’t compare eras because athletes constantly get better u can only judge players against their contemporaries and Jordan was more dominant even in the 80s as a individual player
Jordan is overrated because he played in a weak era, also help defense was not allowed while he played. Also jordan had one of the greatest coaches of all time. Jordan also never had a season above .500 without Scottie.
JAYLEN BROWN WOULD AVERAGE 60PPG IN THE 90S. STOP IT WITH THIS SALTY OLD HEAD TAKES
Lebron is the better overall player, but Jordan is the GREATEST. Theres a difference.
There’s a lot of bias in the “greatest” title tho
Perfect example of jordan fans running out of things to say
How can you be the better overall player and not be the greatest…? That makes him the greatest, he can do it all better than anyone else
jordan is better and greater y'all just biased bron fans
Nerds are constantly typing there idiotic opinions and still can't realize how irrelevant they are.
Hilarious 😂