Thomas Lang described this very well. The ratio between the height of the playing surface, your elbows and the size of the instruments will determine your level of comfort and your ability to play relaxed and with it, fast
Good video ,I sent my td 50 module back and got a pearl mimic on my Rolan kit and never looked back .For recording I have never heard such beauty from any module especially the hats and cymbals .
I bought a Roland kit and tried to used the pearl mimic pro module, but the hi hat, ride cymbal, and snare didn’t work because the hook up cords were usb and not a quarters inch. So my question for you is, how did you use the pearl mimic pro with your Roland kit?
Nice comparison video Steve!! Looks like they both trigger really well!! I totally get what you mean if it doesn't look right it doesn't normally feel right then either!! Hope you have a great Sunday!!
Correct me if I'm wrong here but with 360 triggering you can spin the cymbal around and get more life out of it. With 180 triggering you have to play on only half the cymbal and the other half sees not contact or wear. Never owned a set so I'm just asking. Seems ideal to spin it around and play different sides and get even wear all the way around.
True in theory but my cymbals tend to hang in one direction based on wear which negates that benefit. The reality for me was they spun putting tension on the cable but ultimately rested in a similar position resulting in my down side than upside down
EFNote cymbals sound much more realistic and have depth that the Roland just doesn’t have. EFNote has better decay and overtones. They set a new standard here. This is a big deal! Tinny cymbals can really ruin the overall musical soundscape and are the first noticeable things on crap E Kits. (The snare being the second noticeable.) (EFNote cymbals are also anti-scuff and won’t cross-contaminate the white mesh with black scuffs.) This was absolutely an honest review.
Thanks Steve! Love your reviews: honest and point on for consumers! I used to play acoustic in the band for several years. But finally bought myself a Roland td17 for recording purpose. Had it for 3-4 years and let go of that because of the samples. I wonder td27 and 50 be so much better. Yet I prefer EFNOTE samples when I first heard it. As soon as EFNOTE came out I ordered 3x. There was only 5 that came out that time; and 5x has not come out yet when I ordered 3x. If not factory defect, I would have it with me now, but I returned it after 2 weeks. Now with that 7 being paying through the nose and the 5 being too small of a bass drum, I still keep myself to be FA(forever alone) without any drums… Now I play drums on my keyboard LOL. I just keep saying EFNOTE screws it up with their 5 series in Bass Drum. I could deal with the smaller shells for the rest, but not the Bass Drum. Man, they screw it up! But Steve, you are point on. Love your reviews. If I have to suggest for your channel, you could use Rode wireless mic or some other on person mic for a better sound when you talk on camera. Keep it up, Bro!
Hey man, thanks for the great comment. Ef notes Achilles heal is definitely workmanship… ref returning the 3 I cannot imagine be FA… I genuinely appreciate your feedback on the microphone. I have kept this channel low budget/ no budget forever but a microphone would definitely enhance things in a very positive way. Honestly, initially I didn’t really intend to make very many talking videos but they have become a much bigger part of my channel so it’s time to rethink. Again, thanks, hope you’re having a great weekend
Not everybody wants or needs a full-size kick drum, especially when we're talking about e-kits and the size has no impact on the sound output. The smaller size kick drum allows the kit to fit in smaller spaces while still providing great real-drum feel. You can also swap out the 16" for the 20". All the drums work with all the modules.
@@thexennialdrums Thanks for your feedback, Bro. Actually, I could not find my previous comment; thought Steve might deleted it. Never mind, now here it is. I really dig deep into EFNOTE. Because after I let go of that Roland e-drum, I said no to e-drum in my life at all. But when I heard EFNOTE, I said that’s the way to go. And I ordered 3x right away. Although 5 was out on their original website that time, it was not available in the EU online store yet. In US, they were the same price. But in EU, the 5 is about 500 Euros more before tax. And I thought I could sacrifice some punchier sound from the 5, and went with the 3x, more toms and cymbals. But because of the workmanship, I returned it. Otherwise, I would have it with me now. Coming back to your remark, if I would be buying only the 20” Bass Drum on the 5 or 5x, I would just have only the “look.” I have to get the actual 7 to get that full power 7 sound. In fact, I might be saving up for the Roland vad504 or 507 to have the look and feel of an acoustic. I think Roland is trying to catch up with all his protesters efnote and atv on the market, and sure it is. Turning point of noticing Roland 504: when I saw Roland vad503 at www.themusicianhouse.com at more than half price, I tried to dig deep with that and the sound and functionalities are unbeatable by efnote and atv. So, I was very happy and went for it. Unfortunately, it was a scam. I almost fall for that but luckily I did not. But 503 is even an old model and now I am dreaming the 504. Sorry, Steve, I wrote too much on your channel. I seldom write any comment to any RUclips channel, you are special because I have been following your channel and watching your reviews which are from the point of consumers point of view. That’s what we need in today’s marketing. Every company wants to promote their products and you happen to buy it when you saw a good review, finally it happens to be the worst decision ever you would have made. Your videos are truly amazing and learnt a lot from you.
@@henrythurazawmin805 "I have to get the actual 7 to get that full power 7 sound". I'm not sure what you mean here. I don't own a 7, but I'm fairly certain that a lot of the kick drum samples are shared between the 5 and the 7 (and the 3 as well), so you can still achieve a "full power" sound (whatever that means?) with the 16" EFNOTE kick in the 5.
After Rolands rotation system the best other system is from Yamaha.The efnote cymbals works with roland module or vice versa??This it holds me to keep any cymbal i liked most as the 20" ride that i think is amazing!!
I haven’t used the Yamaha cymbals so that is good info. I’m assuming ef note cymbals work with the Roland module, I never tested it before trading it in. Ef note modules I think work slightly better with their own cymbals. For a while I used an atv cymbal with my atv and it seemed to work a little less well… I never tried it but I’ve heard of lots of people using the ef note splash with other modules. I used atv cymbals for a while with my Roland model years ago… Thanks for stopping by, I appreciate your support
@@SteveTheDrummer It's very nice i think if i could help anyone to open his mind horizons looking for things that never thinkin about them.Maybe the way i think for all connected close with the money needed for anything and these kits man TD50 or Efnote sets with cymbals they cost alot for a normal working person in Greece.These costs is from another galaxy for me so ofcourse i was thinking to mix things from different kits before i sell or trade them. It's something natural for me and i think and for many others.
I think the trigger tracking is superior and the number of variables in the samples in regards to open and closed enhance the overall playing experience.
@@SteveTheDrummer My guess is that "digital" refers to how the hardware built into the hi-hat actually interfaces with the module, but I could be wrong. The stuff you're talking about has more to do with the end-user perception of the output from the module software than it does about the nature of how a "digital" pad works.
According to @COOP3RDRUMM3R ruclips.net/video/5fasidwhLKU/видео.html sounds like "digital" just means it uses a USB-type connection instead of 1/4" analog to hook the pad up to the module. Based on that definition, EFNOTE has a "digital" hi-hat since it uses a 6-pin connector instead of a 1/4".
@@thexennialdrums sort of… a fundamental difference between the two is Roland still uses a piston style sensor to detect open/close and how much. Ef note heavily borrowed from the atv technology to use a light sensor to determine open/close and how much. Ef note uses the 5 pin cable to not only transmit sensor information but to also power the light for the light sensor. Atv used a separate power cord. Having the five pin cable eliminated the need for a power cord but introduced a weakness in that the cord is more fragile. Roland also uses a proprietary cable however it is a far more robust design. Both cymbals (ef note and Roland) use far more sensors as a result of their respective technologies translating to a better playing experience for the user. In my final analysis, ef notes hi hats had better samples and Roland has a more robust design. Both cymbals work great.
The main difference is indeed the connection is able to send more complex data. In the analog world some of that same level of precision could probably be done with more cables and the brain interpretting the combination of the signals sent by all the cables Anyways, the ability to send more complex data is how the module is able to detect you are touching the cymbal with your finger (or the snare) and thus its able to use that to then change the rim to behave like a rim click naturally or is able to in the case of the hihat or ride mute mute the hits that occur on those cymbals. It pretty much allows emulating some of the more specific techniques, while also providing data to improve that tracking and realism of the usual more general techniques.
18 inch ride is just about as big as ecymbals need to go anything bigger is just for looks. I have a TD27 with the 3 10 inch toms plus i added 2 12 inch toms and 8 cymbals, i also use the TD11 module and a gibraltar rack to accomplish this. As for sounds, just get the vxpressions Reality pack $75 , you won't want to play anything else.
man proportional sizes really are where it's at. I totally agree. I went with the 50 instead of the 27 due to the two larger floor tom pads... also I didn't like the kick tower. Also getting ready to pull the trigger on the vexpressions. thanks for stopping by, hope you have a great week.
I haven't played the ef note. But roland is excellent. Coming from acoustics they feel pretty natural. And most importantly you can play with the same technique and the same strenght. Yeah you don't have very nuanced stuff like stick shots or different cymbal tricks. Still is excellent.
I watch a lot of 65 drums. In a recent video I was watch, Justin said "Roland is like Apple, you're going to pay extra for it but in the end, it just works". I agree, thanks for stopping by... I appreciate your support
Rotation needs to be prevented because it damages the cables, also having been playing EDrums since 1980 i can tell you you only mostly hit the lower half of the cymbals 99% of the time.
All true. the 360 triggering is a cool feature but when coupled with cable management is really on kind of a gimmick.I didn't ever feel that the rotation was leading to a potentially damaging situation, just inconvenient to put everything back after every song. great input, thanks for stopping by...
Thomas Lang described this very well. The ratio between the height of the playing surface, your elbows and the size of the instruments will determine your level of comfort and your ability to play relaxed and with it, fast
Ergonomics are key, I appreciate your stopping by, have a great week
Good video ,I sent my td 50 module back and got a pearl mimic on my Rolan kit and never looked back .For recording I have never heard such beauty from any module especially the hats and cymbals .
I'm glad you found the sound you were looking for
I bought a Roland kit and tried to used the pearl mimic pro module, but the hi hat, ride cymbal, and snare didn’t work because the hook up cords were usb and not a quarters inch. So my question for you is, how did you use the pearl mimic pro with your Roland kit?
Great share, I really enjoyed this one, you’re the man, Steve
Thanks man
@@SteveTheDrummer np pal
Nice comparison video Steve!! Looks like they both trigger really well!! I totally get what you mean if it doesn't look right it doesn't normally feel right then either!! Hope you have a great Sunday!!
Happy Sunday to you as well, thanks for stopping by
very interesting video Steve
Thanks for stopping by, I genuinely appreciate it
Awesome vid man
Agree with many of your insights - especially that 360 triggers are great but not essential / practical
Thx bud
thanks man, I appreciate your support
Correct me if I'm wrong here but with 360 triggering you can spin the cymbal around and get more life out of it. With 180 triggering you have to play on only half the cymbal and the other half sees not contact or wear. Never owned a set so I'm just asking. Seems ideal to spin it around and play different sides and get even wear all the way around.
True in theory but my cymbals tend to hang in one direction based on wear which negates that benefit. The reality for me was they spun putting tension on the cable but ultimately rested in a similar position resulting in my down side than upside down
EFNote cymbals sound much more realistic and have depth that the Roland just doesn’t have. EFNote has better decay and overtones. They set a new standard here.
This is a big deal!
Tinny cymbals can really ruin the overall musical soundscape and are the first noticeable things on crap E Kits. (The snare being the second noticeable.)
(EFNote cymbals are also anti-scuff and won’t cross-contaminate the white mesh with black scuffs.)
This was absolutely an honest review.
thanks for your support, Ef Note has great samples and some great products
I'm a Roland guy & I have admit the Efnote snares & toms just sound better. Both kits cymbals are excellent.
agreed, it's really about matching the tool with the mission. hope you're doing well
Thanks Steve! Love your reviews: honest and point on for consumers!
I used to play acoustic in the band for several years. But finally bought myself a Roland td17 for recording purpose. Had it for 3-4 years and let go of that because of the samples. I wonder td27 and 50 be so much better. Yet I prefer EFNOTE samples when I first heard it. As soon as EFNOTE came out I ordered 3x. There was only 5 that came out that time; and 5x has not come out yet when I ordered 3x. If not factory defect, I would have it with me now, but I returned it after 2 weeks.
Now with that 7 being paying through the nose and the 5 being too small of a bass drum, I still keep myself to be FA(forever alone) without any drums… Now I play drums on my keyboard LOL.
I just keep saying EFNOTE screws it up with their 5 series in Bass Drum. I could deal with the smaller shells for the rest, but not the Bass Drum. Man, they screw it up!
But Steve, you are point on. Love your reviews.
If I have to suggest for your channel, you could use Rode wireless mic or some other on person mic for a better sound when you talk on camera.
Keep it up, Bro!
Hey man, thanks for the great comment.
Ef notes Achilles heal is definitely workmanship… ref returning the 3
I cannot imagine be FA…
I genuinely appreciate your feedback on the microphone. I have kept this channel low budget/ no budget forever but a microphone would definitely enhance things in a very positive way. Honestly, initially I didn’t really intend to make very many talking videos but they have become a much bigger part of my channel so it’s time to rethink.
Again, thanks, hope you’re having a great weekend
I agree. The bass drum ruins the look. Then they make full size cymbals which make them look even smaller.
Not everybody wants or needs a full-size kick drum, especially when we're talking about e-kits and the size has no impact on the sound output. The smaller size kick drum allows the kit to fit in smaller spaces while still providing great real-drum feel. You can also swap out the 16" for the 20". All the drums work with all the modules.
@@thexennialdrums Thanks for your feedback, Bro. Actually, I could not find my previous comment; thought Steve might deleted it. Never mind, now here it is.
I really dig deep into EFNOTE. Because after I let go of that Roland e-drum, I said no to e-drum in my life at all. But when I heard EFNOTE, I said that’s the way to go. And I ordered 3x right away. Although 5 was out on their original website that time, it was not available in the EU online store yet. In US, they were the same price. But in EU, the 5 is about 500 Euros more before tax. And I thought I could sacrifice some punchier sound from the 5, and went with the 3x, more toms and cymbals. But because of the workmanship, I returned it. Otherwise, I would have it with me now.
Coming back to your remark, if I would be buying only the 20” Bass Drum on the 5 or 5x, I would just have only the “look.” I have to get the actual 7 to get that full power 7 sound.
In fact, I might be saving up for the Roland vad504 or 507 to have the look and feel of an acoustic. I think Roland is trying to catch up with all his protesters efnote and atv on the market, and sure it is.
Turning point of noticing Roland 504:
when I saw Roland vad503 at www.themusicianhouse.com at more than half price, I tried to dig deep with that and the sound and functionalities are unbeatable by efnote and atv. So, I was very happy and went for it. Unfortunately, it was a scam. I almost fall for that but luckily I did not. But 503 is even an old model and now I am dreaming the 504.
Sorry, Steve, I wrote too much on your channel. I seldom write any comment to any RUclips channel, you are special because I have been following your channel and watching your reviews which are from the point of consumers point of view. That’s what we need in today’s marketing. Every company wants to promote their products and you happen to buy it when you saw a good review, finally it happens to be the worst decision ever you would have made. Your videos are truly amazing and learnt a lot from you.
@@henrythurazawmin805 "I have to get the actual 7 to get that full power 7 sound". I'm not sure what you mean here. I don't own a 7, but I'm fairly certain that a lot of the kick drum samples are shared between the 5 and the 7 (and the 3 as well), so you can still achieve a "full power" sound (whatever that means?) with the 16" EFNOTE kick in the 5.
After Rolands rotation system the best other system is from Yamaha.The efnote cymbals works with roland module or vice versa??This it holds me to keep any cymbal i liked most as the 20" ride that i think is amazing!!
I haven’t used the Yamaha cymbals so that is good info.
I’m assuming ef note cymbals work with the Roland module, I never tested it before trading it in. Ef note modules I think work slightly better with their own cymbals. For a while I used an atv cymbal with my atv and it seemed to work a little less well… I never tried it but I’ve heard of lots of people using the ef note splash with other modules. I used atv cymbals for a while with my Roland model years ago…
Thanks for stopping by, I appreciate your support
@@SteveTheDrummer It's very nice i think if i could help anyone to open his mind horizons looking for things that never thinkin about them.Maybe the way i think for all connected close with the money needed for anything and these kits man TD50 or Efnote sets with cymbals they cost alot for a normal working person in Greece.These costs is from another galaxy for me so ofcourse i was thinking to mix things from different kits before i sell or trade them. It's something natural for me and i think and for many others.
Cymbal mute for the ride is better on the Roland
I agree... both have their pros and cons
I've been hearing praises about "digital" for so long, but I still don't understand what makes them better than conventional, or "non-digital" ones?
I think the trigger tracking is superior and the number of variables in the samples in regards to open and closed enhance the overall playing experience.
@@SteveTheDrummer My guess is that "digital" refers to how the hardware built into the hi-hat actually interfaces with the module, but I could be wrong. The stuff you're talking about has more to do with the end-user perception of the output from the module software than it does about the nature of how a "digital" pad works.
According to @COOP3RDRUMM3R ruclips.net/video/5fasidwhLKU/видео.html sounds like "digital" just means it uses a USB-type connection instead of 1/4" analog to hook the pad up to the module. Based on that definition, EFNOTE has a "digital" hi-hat since it uses a 6-pin connector instead of a 1/4".
@@thexennialdrums sort of… a fundamental difference between the two is Roland still uses a piston style sensor to detect open/close and how much. Ef note heavily borrowed from the atv technology to use a light sensor to determine open/close and how much. Ef note uses the 5 pin cable to not only transmit sensor information but to also power the light for the light sensor. Atv used a separate power cord. Having the five pin cable eliminated the need for a power cord but introduced a weakness in that the cord is more fragile.
Roland also uses a proprietary cable however it is a far more robust design. Both cymbals (ef note and Roland) use far more sensors as a result of their respective technologies translating to a better playing experience for the user.
In my final analysis, ef notes hi hats had better samples and Roland has a more robust design. Both cymbals work great.
The main difference is indeed the connection is able to send more complex data. In the analog world some of that same level of precision could probably be done with more cables and the brain interpretting the combination of the signals sent by all the cables
Anyways, the ability to send more complex data is how the module is able to detect you are touching the cymbal with your finger (or the snare) and thus its able to use that to then change the rim to behave like a rim click naturally or is able to in the case of the hihat or ride mute mute the hits that occur on those cymbals. It pretty much allows emulating some of the more specific techniques, while also providing data to improve that tracking and realism of the usual more general techniques.
18 inch ride is just about as big as ecymbals need to go anything bigger is just for looks. I have a TD27 with the 3 10 inch toms plus i added 2 12 inch toms and 8 cymbals, i also use the TD11 module and a gibraltar rack to accomplish this. As for sounds, just get the vxpressions Reality pack $75 , you won't want to play anything else.
man proportional sizes really are where it's at. I totally agree. I went with the 50 instead of the 27 due to the two larger floor tom pads... also I didn't like the kick tower. Also getting ready to pull the trigger on the vexpressions. thanks for stopping by, hope you have a great week.
I haven't played the ef note. But roland is excellent. Coming from acoustics they feel pretty natural. And most importantly you can play with the same technique and the same strenght. Yeah you don't have very nuanced stuff like stick shots or different cymbal tricks. Still is excellent.
I watch a lot of 65 drums. In a recent video I was watch, Justin said "Roland is like Apple, you're going to pay extra for it but in the end, it just works". I agree, thanks for stopping by... I appreciate your support
Wait what? Why? What was wrong about the efnot 7
ultimately switched back to the Roland TD50x. Both kits have their pros and cons, this works better for me
Rotation needs to be prevented because it damages the cables, also having been playing EDrums since 1980 i can tell you you only mostly hit the lower half of the cymbals 99% of the time.
All true. the 360 triggering is a cool feature but when coupled with cable management is really on kind of a gimmick.I didn't ever feel that the rotation was leading to a potentially damaging situation, just inconvenient to put everything back after every song. great input, thanks for stopping by...