Goldwing Down! What went wrong?
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- During the GoldwingDocs Gathering in 2018, I captured another rider on video dropping his bike in the middle of a remote road. What went wrong? How did this happen? How could it have been prevented? We analyze the video to see what mistakes were made, and discuss techniques you can use to prevent the same thing happening to you.
Thanks for the play-by-play discussion. We've all done it and anyone who says that they haven't dropped their bike is fibbing or hasn't ridden it yet. Glad a dangerous situation turned out to be just a learning experience. - Chris (NVSB4)
I cannot lie. I didn’t let one warm up first, went two blocks, and when leaving the stop sign on a left turn it died. Mid turn, wheel turned and leaning. Yeah, I dropped it. No more cold starts for me. I also dropped my wing recently backing it out of a trailer. Rear wheel on the ground, front wheel on the rear door ramp, my short legs not touching earth when it stopped.
Watching this helped me think correctly!
I had a situation with my Wing after replacing the rear tire. Exactly what and why that occurred is another topic. The troubling situation was that my bike was wobbling in an unusual way and I decided I absolutely had to stop to try to discover what was happening. By the time I decided to stop, I was more worried about the problem with the bike than recognizing that I was on slight a downhill slope. As it turns out, the slope was just steep enough that while I was inspecting my bike it rolled forward off the side stand. The video mentions righting a Wing "in the heat of the moment". This was definitely one of those times... cars passing on a two-lane, in the dark and rain. If not for having watched this video, I'm certain that I would not have considered that I needed to apply the brake while I righted my bike. So this is a thank you for providing the narrative that helped me think about the details of the situation. FWIW, I eventually discovered that the issue was that the lug nuts on the rear tire had loosened... this was more than 100 miles after the rear tire replacement. Despite the frightening experience of righting my Wing, I was glad I stopped to find the problem.
Thanks for sharing! I'm glad that a little extra knowledge helped your situation, and REALLY glad that you stopped and identified the problem before you lost the wheel!
Inter-rider communication adds a new dimension to group riding, much better than sitting for hours and only chatting at stops... and it can be a lifesaver, as shown here.
Good video. Glad he used proper technique to lift the bike. It's happened to me and thank God I knew what to do. I had a Rocket III and you have to know when to let the bike down gently. You'll never be able to stop a bike weighting almost a ton from going down. Gently is the key and don't pull a muscle trying to keep it from going down. This was a great lesson. Thanks.
Very appreciative of your video and discussion. Even before your explanation, I wasn't in question of your actions. The rider was doing his best and maybe the bike was still in gear to prevent rolling. I've been down much harder and hospitalized by a cage, no pride hurt in this. Just a good learning experience that an open mind could grow from. Parking lot practice may be needed!
Thank You, you all are in my prayers.
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This video makes several important points. If I may add another suggestion, I would say that the rider who helped the fallen rider could have parked in such a way as to block traffic in the "drop zone" and also give oncoming traffic a path around the two riders and motorcycles.
Of course not everyone has other riders to work traffic 🚦.
Great video and life-saving advice.
Good point - not seen in this video is that I was on the CB to the riders ahead, and they had pulled out around the bend to stop any oncoming traffic.
good video! this summer I started driving my new to me 2008 GL1800. I did learn from this video. as a veteran ride/driver but a virgin GL1800 driver, this exact situation has been worrisome to me. In fact I needed to lay my bike down due to no forward motion and past point of no return. im new to you forum and loving it. We ride here in NL, Canada. keep up the great work!
I have a wrist band on my front brake reservoir to use on the brake lever if needed.
Good idea
Scott I like your video, you did the right thing by communicating with the drivers in front. I like your tee shirt I have several of those myself. I have a recording studio and I do a lot of business with them.
Thanks! Me too....see: ruclips.net/video/fIY7g_wWquc/видео.html
That was good thinking. Communications are great to have with a group.
Thank you for the post and analysis. There is much information the viewer can't see, but I felt uncomfortable seeing the lane being obstructed after the intersection.
you all did ok , that could have turned into a bad situation real fast , the rider did turn his front wheel or was on the front brake and you are right there is nothing you can do but go down , no harm no one hurt is a good thing .
I've dropped mine more than I'd like to admit. Mainly due to loosing my footing at stops. Gravel, oil in middle, etc...
I have watched several of your videos, and never noticed where you were. Ohio 78 is very close to my house.
Listen, we all have a moment that I call, the "Oh sh*t" moment. It happens if you ride long enough under all types of conditions. The main point is to maintain safety at all times. That blind corner was a very dangerous situation if a speeding car crested the ridge while hugging the yellow line! The rider was not injured and the bike not damaged, in that situation I also would have communicated ahead, and let the fellow rider next to him do the assist as happened here. This all happened in just a matter of about 45 seconds and the rider was already in recovery mode and righted the bike. As far as the bike rolling back once lifted, I would think it was in gear, which would have helped to keep it in place on that hill. As soon as he righted it and the wheels were free to roll, it would have started going backward. Since he was on the left side of the bike to lift it, he could not hold the front brake on the right side of the bike and he certainly could not hold the right side foot brake. You need to keep the bike in gear and lift as he did, especially if you are alone. You do need to be careful not to let it go over the top and fall the other way of course and the help of the other rider assisted with that. Once righted, you secure the brakes immediately, mount, restart and safely get back in the ride. The message to take away here is to always be thinking ahead of things. Remember when seeing a stop or yield sign at the top of a hill in front of you, down shift on approach while slowing ahead of time, keep that front wheel straight and prepare to brake if needed. I suspect that part of what happened here was that he might have been in too high a gear for the hill when slowing, which made the bike sluggish causing him to stop and lose it. Just a thought. Ride safe and enjoy the ride.
The guy on the right took forever to help. It's like he didn't even care that someone was in the middle of the road. I've jumped off my bike (after putting the sidestand down) and ran towards my friend to help them upright their bike.
When you drop a Wing and don't have a glove to put on the front brake lever or can't use the front break, put the Wing in reverse.
Or first gear. Either way want move. I use reverse when in staying in motels, great way to get it from being stolen
@@budpearson6777 If the wing falls on the left side, how will you put it in first gear ? Mine is a second edition (2012) and weighs over 900 pounds. I can put it up by myself, but many don't have an idea on how to do it.
@@budpearson6777 I hope that no one attempts to lay a theving hand on your property but.... maybe you might have to call your riding buddies over to lift an 800 lbs motorcycle out of his lap. 🤕
Talk about NEEDING to, but not quite ABLE to , jump up and RUN!!!!
Main reason for dropping that GW is that he only had his right hand on handlebar. His left hand was not holding on to handlebar and helped him hold the bike up. So....keep both hands on handlebar.
After watching this several times I have only one question. Why were the riders stopping in the highway in the first place? That was the first stupid thing I saw.
I use a double sided velcro strap wrapped around my right handlebar in the event I need to pick up bike on a hill by myself; just have to rewrap around brake and grip before picking bike up. You said you told lead bike to stop traffic however when dropped bike was righted and he came over hill I noticed lead bikes on side of road and riders in the saddle. Didn't they hear you and if so shat did they expect to do if car was coming, wave at them?
I don't understand what really happened. Did he feel he needed to stop because he crossed the line? Was he unaware of countersteering to immediately correct his path?? Or was he wrongly trying to steer to the right which really pushed him to left due to countersteering error?
Hello, i just got my first goldwing ever. I am new in the Goldwing World. I live in the Island of Cuba, in the Caribbean and there is no dealer, no chop where to take the bike. It is a 2013. I have one issue and I would appreciate very much some help. The thing my odometer is in 00000000 and it does not move. Speedo working fine though. Can you help find out why is that happening? Thanks a lot. Boris
Ok…. U said what he did wrong after he drops the bike. What happened to make him drop it in the first place? Also, Wheel turned means the bike is going to fall?
He said later that he downshifted going up the hill into what he thought was second gear, but actually got stuck in neutral. He kept trying to downshift into second, but he was actually trying to get it into first, and as the bike was still moving enough, it wouldn't go. He kept slowing down, and not paying enough attention, and drifted to the point where he was too slow, with the wheel turned, and unrecoverable. 100% rider error.
All bikes pitch sideways a bit if you come to a stop with the wheel turned. On a 400 lb sportbike, it's not that big a deal, you can easily hold it up. On a 1000 lb Goldwing, it's going to go over, and all you can do is get out of the way.
That was a perfect situation for target fixation to cause a rider or driver to hesitate and make a wrong move. Really good call on alerting to block traffic right away.
Sounds like the logical song
lolol that's exactly what it was. I guess I didn't disguise it enough when I played it! You're only the second person to pick up on that.....
Have you heard of motorcycle safety foundation My father used to teach it when he was in the navy of 434 different bases Andy also taught the local law enforcement on how to drive before Harley Davidson came out with the word course just one little information packed is you can pick up a 1200 pound motorcycle letterly with 1 hand that is been laid down on its side. The Secret is is you turn the wheel to the direction of which way he wanted to go say it's laying down on its right hand side C turned the wheel to the left he grabbed the left handlebar and squat and And changer where for your fingers in gravel holders the handlebar the right hand bar that's on the ground but the tires is facing towards the left hand side swept down simply lifted straight up this one thing is you do it the 1st time you'll end up foot the bike over on the right hand side or the other side because The centrifugal motion Could cause it to just keep on going so have somebody over there to catch it and stop it in of course grab the break so because roll a but most the time if you don't bring that situation the bikes going to be in gear so it won't roll away on you but that's one little trigger trade and I was only 109 years old and I was able to pick up but fully loaded For the state highway patrol Harley Davidson By using this technique That's why I honestly feel everybody who buys a bike rides a bike or is thinking about going into a the motorcycle craze is take a motorcycle safety foundation course you learn a lot I wonder how many people know if the 5 Cesar before you even start a vehicle What you hit me back for the people who think they know order you know you never know I might be willing you to send unites little gift Good luck to all safe writing all and please tell your neighbours and all your friends to do not blow their grass on the roadway And we all know why we ask them to do that simple little short keeps this from being on the deck real quick
I'm going to guess the bike was in gear when it went down, probably was not going to roll back, but good thought in case it was in neutral
It was in neutral, that's why he stopped - it was stuck in neutral and he thought it was between 2-3, and was trying to kick it down to 2nd - which wasn't working. Eventually he ran out of momentum, still in neutral, and went over.
Never heard of one getting stuck in neutral that must've took some pure talent or something is seriously wrong Lol. Glad the situation didn't get nasty motorcycle wrecks are horrid and I'm blessed to have made it out the way I did after my Electra glide was obliterated from the rear by a kid on the phone.
What is with the background music in this video?! It sounds like someone tried to make a club-style endless loop of the rhythm chord progression in the bridge to "The Logical Song" by Supertramp...! :\
LOL that's exactly what it is! You're the first person to pick up on it. I thought I had disguised it enough when I played it that nobody would identify it. Incidentally, it's the verse repeated over and over, not the bridge. :)
@@GoldwingDocs You're right... it's the one in the non-chorus verses. I just had to go back & listen to it to be sure. (Sigh) Such beautiful melancholy from my youth. I retrospect, I guess it's no surprise the likes of Grunge capped the other end of my youthful days.
Hey: While I'm here, can you give me a short list of mid- to late-80's 'Wing models that had factory EFI? I'm looking at an '87 Aspencade that needs a starter & battery (Digital Dash! =:D) and hope it won't need any carburetor service on it, given it's difficulty of access.
Also, have you considered doing a slimline fan swap video? It seems a natural/logical upgrade to accompany the mini-alternator upgrade, or as just an improvement in itself over the stock unit. ;)
It's a very short list: the 1985 GL1200 Limited and the 1986 GL1200 Aspencade SEi. Those were the only Goldwings with fuel injection until the 2001 GL1800 came along.
Not sure the partner didn't go to the top of the hill to slow oncoming traffic while the guy was upright his bike
7 seconds in I think your throttle housing needs tightening.
I've had so many people make that comment! A previous owner had it misaligned when they tightened it down, and damaged the alignment nub. I've since replaced the plate with that nub, so it no longer does this. I'll have to make a new intro sequence at some point that shows it fixed. :)
what gold wing owner has not fell over.? I fall over in my garage now and then, you know....to stay in practice. Sports bike users talk about the high speed corner they were on when the front washed out at 75......gold wing owners talk about falling over at a dead stop in the drive through, or a red light.
Did it on my 1100 once! Got on the bike in a parking lot, pulled up the kickstand, started talking to a passerby who asked about the bike. Decided to get off the bike and show him something he asked about, so leaned it over on the kickstand...which wasn't there, because I had retracted it. oops! Over she goes....
Good play by play. You may have just helped a thousand people.
I dont . get it. Just a routine stop coming up to a stop sign. Simple. Grabbed front brake and turned handlebars.
Check out "Be the Boss of your motorcycle" on RUclips expert in slow-speed motorcycle operation!
That guy shouldn't be on a bike. What he needs to do is learn how to ride. He is a danger to other road users as well as himself. Sorry but its the truth.
If you think this is bad - Watch this vid - And how to stop dropping your bike too !! in the first place !! - ruclips.net/video/K6gxOf6_cBM/видео.html - Hey Wing admin why not make a vid showing how not to drop a wing - like you say 900 pounds of wing once its going over there's no stopping it !! - Game over !! - Once he turned that front wheel a bit with no power to the back wheel via the clutch leaver - he had already lost it if he'd held it on the clutch ( Watch the vid here ) he could still have saved it and avoided the drop !! .
That was staged.
Why did he stop. Nothing there.
No matter how bad you ride, you wouldn't stop in the middle of the road and drop it in the other lane.
I was there, I was on the bike with the camera, and I can guarantee you it wasn't staged. I have hours of video before and after this incident.
@@GoldwingDocs Can you please explain why he stopped. I'm from the UK but appears to have right of way and I did not notice any stop or give way signs. What do you believe made him steer his bike into the other lane?
@GoldwingsDocs Sorry but I've watched this 100 times. Just no reason or need to have stopped where and when he did other than to say it was a corner and brow of a hill for dramatising.
He didn't "stop with the front wheel turned", it was almost straight. Certainly not enough to drop the bike. and I know, I have a GL1500.
He brought the bike to a stop in the opposite lane, for absolutely "NO" reason, with wheel almost straight, he actually holds the bike for a second, then places the bike down. There appears to be no loss of control in what he does.
Also, he makes no "attempt to get out of the way", just drops the bike.
It appears to me after righting the bike, it was in gear hence why the bike didn't "roll backwards". You see him put it in to neutral to start the bike, then put it in first gear to ride away. (Keep your eye on his left foot)
In addition, you actually move closer and in line with the bike. Had it rolled back, you were right there.
There are only 5 of you, and certainly not 5 or 6 ahead of you, just 2!
Furthermore, you must have been 'instantly' on the radio to the 2 riders in front for them to stop so quickly, and next to each other almost at the same time he dropped the bike, which is just a second later, as the 2nd rider goes out of view after the corner. This is more or less where the riders pulled up.
Therefore, they both knew to stop at that point or they would have been much further down the road given, the time he actually dropped the bike, the position of first 2 riders, the time to take you to communicate the situation to them and then for the 2 riders to understand the situation and then come to to a stop.
Doing around 35kph, and taking 20 /30 seconds to communicate and comprehend, the first two riders would be approximately 0.4k down the road. Personally, I feel they would have been much further down the road.
The first two riders appear to be slowing down before he drops the bike, again for no reason. Normally, you would be accelerating out of the corner.
You are all slowing down when you should be making way at the speed limit!
Totally staged!!
Hmmm!
yep