Khadas VIM1s: Android & Linux SBC
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- Khadas VIM1s single board computer review, including online OS installation using its OOWOW firmware, and demos of Android (including RUclips playback), and Ubuntu 22.04.
The VIM1s featured in this video was purchased from Khadas. You can learn more about the board on its web pages here: www.khadas.com/vim1s
My previous reviews of Khadas SBCs include:
Khadas VIM4: • Khadas VIM 4: Powerful...
Khadas Edge-V: • Khadas Edge-V NVMe SBC
Khadas VIM3: • Khadas VIM3: 4K NVMe S...
Khadas VIM2: • Khadas VIM2 SBC & Andr...
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
00:37 Unboxing
02:59 Specifications
06:57 OOWOW
09:21 Android
11:45 Ubuntu
16:23 Wrap
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No USB 3 + No Gigabit ethernet = No Sale. Well that was an easy decision. 😢 Thanks Chris for showing this SBC, very interesting.
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Such value determination, of course, is weighed against expected use cases. What do we expect to do with a $65 SBC? Are those use cases impaired by the available bandwidth of the given I/O? What do we do with these SBCs that are overkill as a microcontroller but not quite capable of desktop replacement?
@@Chris.Brisson I think it could be a good alternative to pi if the Linux distributions run better for 2gig of ram. The processor is ok. The fact you can now get ex office desktop with more ram, more io and more hd space and able to handle video playback for the same price...well maybe not so good. It is ok for maker board but won't beat a pi for that.
@@jobearesto9746 well, the actual price of a Raspberry Pi today ($150) might serve to discourage the "maker" use cases.
@@Chris.Brisson Yes, for makers this may be an alternative. I was lucky I got a few different pi's for my birthday from different friends and family. I still use my two Pi 3s and the zero W and zero W2 I have. The Pi 4's I have (4 gig and 8g one) I use mainly for emulation /pc/Linux use. I have a couple of pico's i tend to show my son how to do basic programming and circuit on bread boards (he is 9) so not too complicated for him. Makers though are suffering. Even though I have mulitple pi's I do use them all for different things. hopefully new pi model will be out 2023...
Here I am watching a RUclips video on a Raspberry Pi 400 SBC in FreeBSD about a Linux distro running on a Khadas VIM1s.
All smooth and clear - the SBC world is progressing very nicely.
Thanks for keeping us informed Chris. Excellent as always!
Puts it all in perspective! Great comment.
Does FreeBSD have graphics drivers that allow RUclips to play smoothly on a Pi?
@@johnm2012 The drivers FreeBSD uses works just fine on the Pi 4 and 400 (720p on a Pi 3), I can watch 1080p videos perfectly well with no (or minimal) dropping of frames, above that, well it does struggle.... it's on par with Linux I would say. I have a few videos on my channel about FreeBSD and the Pi 400...
@@RoboNuggie Thanks, I'll take a look.
Just when you think the world is against you, minus overdraft in the bank and the government which doesn't even know where it's heading, and caar-boom uncle Cris with another SBC educational journey, that just uplifted my spirit. Thank you ☺️
Definitely. That's why I enjoy watching these videos. Very informative and uplifting.
Keep up the great work Chris.
I prefere the big Computers, that can be used as a heater for the cold winter.
Raspberry pi’s can keep the hamsters warm😁
Indeed
I tempted to take out the LED light bulbs over the winter and put the incandescent back in. "Well those bulbs generate more heat and take more power!!!!" That's the point. I wonder if doing that saves a tiny bit on the oil heat bill even if they take more power. I'm only going to have lights on in rooms I'm in anyways.
Get over 10 year products, those get warm and are slow as... snail
I used to have a small AS400 that kept the garage warm all winter...
With the mixed features on the SBC ranging from very interesting to mediocre, I personally found your struggles with the unboxing the highlight of the video. I always look forward to what humor I will find contained in your excellent videos. Looking forward to your next video!
:)
@@ExplainingComputers If I may, a lot of people use SBC's for mediastreaming and playback. Would it be possible to make a small segment when testing these boards (in future episodes) about the quality of the sound a sbc produces. Raspi4 has terrible sound quality for example (the powersupply is very noisy). It would make a great channel even better!
This tiny SBCs carrying a variety of connectors, while many modern thin and light laptops have chosen the dongle life in the name of saving space !
Ah, how the things have changed for the worse...
Comprehensive review video as always.
BTW, wish you a productive week Chris.
I enjoyed your video while I drank coffee out of my Explaining Computers mug. This mug is of a high quality as is your work. Thank you for your videos they are a great help, keep it up.
:)
I've been following your channel since I saw the Explaining USB 3.0 video 12 years ago and noticed something. Chris, you don't age!
Honest product reviews are always helpful. Many thanks!
Absolutely enjoy your reviews. They make the sunday complete 💪🙏
Great to hear!
The box requires *_gravity assistance_* to open. Don't try picking at the inner box but instead hold the outbox up while shocking it downwards to the table. It should fall right out. At least that is the way I do it. :-)
Interesting, good presentation. Stanley the knife made an appearance 👍
Stanley always returns . . .
If they can just provide a better connectivity it will be amazing little board,
I hope that Raspberry PI makers consider including similar firmware,
Finally, it's really nice to see Stanly back to work again,
Thanks Chris and have a nice day💯🚀
With the Pi4s, it has been rumored...
There is very little difference between NetBoot (tftp) and doing something like infinitywoo...
@@ConfuSomu That looks promising,
Thanks 👍
@@ahmad-murery You're welcome!
Raspberry Pi has had android for a few years (Lineage OS), and multiple versions, android 7,8,9,10,11,12,13. I'm running 13 on mine.
And here we meet again on another sunday!
Greetings!
We do indeed! Happy Sunday Hellos. :)
i ordered the Vim4 after your previous video. it seems the better option of their offerings. thanks for another great video. would love to see you test some overclocking potential on the vim boards
Really like that oowow firmware
VIM1s? this might be the perfect SBC on which to run vim.
Great review as always!
Jolly terrific video 👍
Thank you, Chris.
thank you for the clear explanation as usual!
Thank you for your work and this video! Keep up the good work! :)
Fantastic test as you always do!
As allways, excelent video explaining a new very interesting single board computer !!
The intro of your channel never gets old
Good job on the video Sir, as always! Have a wonderful week Sir!
Fantastic test as you always do!
Interesting stability in Android, but barely unusable with everything else!
Interesting find as always
Great video
OK SBC for normal usage
Thanks for sharing your experiences with all of us :-)
Do you have (or could you make) a video explaining what the various ARM core names mean (M-this or A-that)?
Now this is an excellent idea -- noted! :)
@@ExplainingComputers 1 vote for subtitling the video 'Core Blimey!'.
Another vote for testing various Core types on Linux MATE dustributions... And name that video 'Core Blimey MATE!'....
Great video, as always. Cheers, Chris.
Another happy Sunday afternoon with Chris! An interesting SBC but lacking in some areas as you mentioned! On the Khadas web page it states it supports Armbian, Android TV & Libre Elec it would be interesting to see how they performed. I know Ubuntu isn't one of my favourite OS's but there was a server image that could be installed, I wonder how that would perform it could be of interest for a future video. I'm now off to enjoy the sunshine with a cup of tea & a biscuit :)
Greetings Alan. I imagine Libre Elec may run well (if it has GPU support). Android TV is the Android version we saw in the video. But I still think the lack of USB 3.0 ports is a big negative for a media player PC. Enjoy your refreshments! :)
@@ExplainingComputers I really must pay more attention, yes the Android playback was quite good 0 dropped frames, I suppose if they start adding things like USB 3.0, Gigabit Ethernet, better GPU support it'd be more expensive! When they launch new items the manufactures hurry stuff out which is a shame because they would possibly get more sales!!
@@ExplainingComputers Will you nominate yourself to be a candidate as the next British PM? 🇬🇧
people around me be like how does he become that genius
but honestly i learn it all from your videos thanks
Thanks. Excellent film as always.
Chris. I’m pretty sure it’s a scam but I’ve received an email saying I’ve won a prize on this. Thoughts? Thanks
Thank you, Professor! 🇺🇸 😎👍☕
Thanks Chris great review
Great video Christopher.
Thanks for the review, but it can't compete with the RPi either on price, spec, function or support it would seem. So I will be sticking with RPi...
love watching your vids, i often reference them for possible projects for car audio, which bootup/startup would be quite critical.... is there a possibility that you could show an actual timer for when you are fast forwarding through the waiting that would show how long it took?
Excellent - thank you. Would have been a bit surprised if Android had not been able to access Google Docs ....
Gracias por la información de este nuevo device
Enjoyed! 😊
Yes, look at running Ubuntu it is a little slow running video. I would use the Android OS as opposed to Ubuntu. Another great presentation Chirs and thanks for the introduction to Khadas VIM1 SBC
Non-competitor due to no USB 3 and lack of gigabit ethernet. Plus, the price is high for the hardware configuration. Again, thank you for the video with excellent content. Cheers!
Splendid stuff
Video is cool ... , VIM1s will be great couple years back ... but these days ... 🙄. Thanks for super video ... 👍👍
Gotta love the quality child proof box
:)
Thanks Chris
I would love it if you setup LFS-ARM on one of these SBC's. I doubt you'd have the time, though, since it'd likely be weeks of effort if you've never done LFS before, but that would be so cool. Once I've finished retrieving everything from the old house I'd love to try it out on my Pi3. So it may be weeks yet.
Khadas is par with Orange PI 5 now I use Orange PI 4 LTS 4GB with 16GB eMMC for my Home Assistant but I might consider Khadas or Orange PI 5 for my Media Player Server Project. Thanks as always good content. Although 100 mbit ethernet is not good enough Khadas should have built it with 1Gbit ethernet chip shame they didnt. In this era speed is important. They made a big mistake...
Another great review! But please tell me you hadn’t set the time properly and wasn’t up at nearly 2am making a video😮
I like that it has USB on the 40 pin connector. But seem that a DSI connector for an internal display would also be good. Going to watch more videos.
Thanks!
When I saw Khadas on Chris's channel I got excited for a moment, thinking it was edge 2 before reading vim 1
I am really looking forward to Chris reviewing the new 3588 boards and hopefully doing some project videos too
though the khadas edge 2 is a bit too pricy and has less I/O than the rock pi5 , which I am waiting on from a preorder, at $99 for 8GB version it is a n absolute steal, or at least I hope so
hopefully the rock pi 5 will show up on this channel soon and at my doorstep
The Rock Pi 5 will be here two weeks today -- October 30th. The video goes into production tomorrow.
@@ExplainingComputers Awesome Chis, can't wait!
Another Great video, I do have to agree that for the price, a person could do better.
Have a Great day.
Interesting new one, mostly the wifi and many sub connection.
Whilst lack of USB3 and high speed ethernet impact it, it could still make a decent Android TV box. For instance, if you have a family member in your house who might like to watch what's on your media centre, but lack a smart TV or computer, this could be used as an alternative, like a Sky Box for your media. Since the use case would be streaming media over wi-fi and most likely never saturate that bandwidth, the lack of fast storage and ethernet wouldn't affect it.
Could also be used for playing mobile games with a mouse on a larger screen.
Agreed. There are applications here -- and the board is available to buy! :)
Another great video, which is making me lean more towards a Pi 4. Unfortunately, the price of a Pi here is ridiculous with price gouging left, right and centre! I did read that there will will be a Pi pop-up shop on Oxford Street soon and it just so happens that I have a flight booked for Blighty a few days before! 🤣
Oooo WoW!
Hi, Chris. Thanks for another great video. On a related note, did you get to check out the Orange Pi 800 and are you planning on having it featured on EC in the coming weeks/months, please?
One point regarding RUclips in this video.
On Android, you used a stand-alone RUclips app to get good playback.
But on Ubuntu you ran RUclips from within a browser which adds quite a lot of overhead on top of the RUclips playback.
I would recommend using the same browser on Android to run RUclips for a better apples to apples comparison.
💪😎🔥🔥🔥 Oh man! That's E X T R E M E L Y interesting video! Thanks a lot! When looking on your channel I'm learning about new things but also how to make better videos (as I'm also doing first steps as small youtuber with videos about retro electronics).
Thanks for watching. You have some interesting content over on your channel. :)
@@ExplainingComputers 😀👍🍻 Happy to hear that! Pity that number of viewers and subscribers is so terribly low... 😥
Very interesting. Thank you.
Strange as it may seem this is the first time I'm tempted to acquire an SBC other than a Raspberry Pi, especially running Android OS, despite the shortcomings of the VIM1s.
Incidentally at 0:45 ALEXA keeps chiming in with random rubbish. It must be your dulcet tones Chris. So much for Amazon's assurance that the buffer is only listening for a wake word. Weird but most amusing.
Well the BIG advantage it has over RPi is that it is AVAILABLE! ;-)
If by "0.45" you mean at 0:45 in the video, my Alexa had no reaction at all. I played that section several times with an Echo Show right next to the speaker. Maybe _your_ Alexa device has been hacked! ;-)
@@ElmerFuddGun Never mind. Don't be disappointed.
Thanks for another great video. Like you, I question the decision to release the board with slow Ethernet and USB 2.0.
Really Nice👍
I might consider this just to run android on it and do some things with a keyboard, mouse, and full sized display that I nominally do with my phone. Although there's not much I can't already do equally well between my phone and my laptop running Manjaro.
0:45 this video drove my alexa insane as you said 'lets ah turn it over' :)
Nice just in time for breakfast time! It's Christopher time. Going to watching it with a stupid 5 Mbps microwave internet at my uncle lol
Great video
Thanks!
Thanks for another great vid with perfect timing for me.
After catching this Video I decided to "order the following kit" for my purposes it should be fine. The WiFi & Ethernet options cover teh comms requirements.
Use Case: Using Android/OS it should (I Really Hope) allow me to monitor my fleet of BMS' (Battery Management Systems) for my offgrid solar system which is a separate building. Wired for Ethernet and is also within WiFi Range. The challenge such as it is will be to setup TeamViewer or the like between that Droid Device and Win-10
VIM1S $64.90
DIY Case $13.00 Color: Transparent
RTC Battery $2.00
3705 Cooling Fan $15.00
New VIMs Heatsink $10.00
The comment offering a prize was from a scam account that has now been banned here. Any reply from me will be from "ExplainingComputers" and will have a verified tick.
Great video Chris. Really a pity the specs are not great for this board. 2gig of Ram is hindering to say the least.
Given the difficulty obtaining a Raspberry Pi 4, in many locations, it might be opportune to provide an overview of the currently available SBC alternatives.
Interesting.
Looking forward to the 2022 SBC state of play. Specifically I'd like to see which one runs open source design/video editing software the best. Inkscape, GIMP, Opentoonz, Olive, Audacity and the like.
Coming soon -- now slated for 13th November, as I've a powerful "late arrival" SBC to review here on October 30th, which may be good for (some of) what you list here.
Maybe also, that I'm using, "Open Shot" Editor?
Hi Chris. Maybe the lack of usb 3 and gigabit ethernet is due to the manufacturer using the most widely available components during the chip scarcity? Prices of Ras Pi atm are ridiculous if you can get them.
Thumbs up everybody
:)
at 0:45... "so let's uh" triggers my Alexa!!!! HAHA!
Sadly, i don't understand why Khadas Vim would bring this out when there are better TV boxes out there using the S905X3 with 4Gb ram and 128Gb emmc for the same money, with a true 1000Mb LAN, has USB3 and is available on Amazon, (with a free case). A much higher performing SoC. Or the same better chip with less emmc for 50 bucks. But again great video, thanks Chris. I love seeing you check these SBC's out.
Love "the opening" episodes, Chris!!! Mr. Scissors could of help prime out the box for next time?... or even Stanley the knife? Yes, *very surprised* about not having USB 3 and not 1Gbps ethernet? Again, very surprised! Since you have the board, can you actually see if it's a typing error for the ethernet by running a simple file copy of a suitable file across the cable?
Given the price and lack of support for those two mentioned, I would look at other alternatives before this board. One plus for the board ... it looks nice ... and it's thin! Looks are secondary to functionality for real work! 🙃
Thanks for this. On the Ethernet port, I confirmed the 100megabits/second specification with Khadas during production of the video.
Thank you, Chris. You're doing amazing work!
But 30 frames per second? IMO it would be more interesting to see 60 fps video playback.
Noted. :)
No thanks: my broadband cannot stream RUclips videos at 60 fps & 720p, so would have to switch to 480p, and I would prefer resolution over frame rate. Also noted, EC?
@@cdl0 That's hardly broadband then, lol.
@@mikem9536 Correct! There is also no mobile phone signal, and satellite dishes are banned under local planning rules.
@@mikem9536 Certainly should have just said "connection". Not even over a decade ago was I in such pitiful situation.
Great Video
Thanks. :)
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Hardkernel just introduced their new Odroid H3 and H3+ Models which might be very interesting! 2x 2.5GbE combined with a N6005 CPU are a good combination!
Wow, I'd not seen those. They do look like. Twin SATA and an M.2 drive slot. I presume the same Petitbook firmware of the Odroid M1. I have put on my review list! :) Thanks.
Cheers
Greetings! This comment survived the RUclips systems! And is the first! :)
thanks.
Greetings sir...that oowow feature is very useful....I have seen similar feature in another board called "brainy pi"..
Yes, it makes you wonder if the Raspberry Pi Foundation will eventually deliver something similar.
With all the SBCs you've collected over the past couple of years, you could build quite the cluster 😆
Do you know of a single system image OS that can do that?
Anything I've been able to find is grossly out of date , discontinued and often not in English.
@@petevenuti7355 I do not! That is a great question for Level1Tech's forums though.
@@andrekz9138 it looks like a great resource , I bookmarked that to my favorites. I'll ask that question there.
Thank you.
Checking it out I searched a few questions I knew about and some I didn't... The results of that experiment were mixed.
I saw someone asked a question about using IDE or SCSI for a computer to address another computer instead of a disc drive (as in like a network protocol) , the answer was a suggestion to use iSCSI to share a drive... That kind of answer reduced my optimism...it wasn't what he was asking.
There wasn't much about raspberry pi
But there were a lot of very well constructed informative answers about virtual machines & pass through, PCI cards, and RAID configurations among other things... AGAIN THANK YOU .I bookmarked that reference.
It would be interesting to see khadas vim 2 or vim3
Seems like something more suited to industrial applications
You went into your swap space on Ubuntu. That will really slow things down. Rule of thumb, Ubuntu needs at least 8GB of RAM to operate at peak performance.
On my Linux development machine, I have 16 cores at 4GHz on an AMD CPU with 32GB of RAM. Overkill? Not for the research that I do.
Agreed that the Raspberry Pi 4 is better.
Good video.
I place this kind of cardboard casket top cover up, take upper box with both hands and shake up-down as fast as I can, even if the contents of the casket is light in and of itsels, the bottom box has enough of cardboard mass to detach and fall down on the table with its content.
you could carve some cardboard out of the box for the ports so you can use it as a case
Nice idea. :)
Hi Chris,
I'm not really into Android, but is thee some reason you did not test the SD cad speed in Android?
Those boxes are much easier to open if you puncture the lid with a tiny pinhole to break the vacuum.
It sounds good, I think it will serve as a companion computer for drones, it is possible to implement code in python to send telemetry data by tcp and video by udp.?
I ordered this board after your review. Do you know if there’s other systems I could install? I quite fancy google tv
Is there a niche role for this, that justifies the premium price? Or does that just ensure availability? The packaging is nice, but for a contemporary Linux, 2gB is barely adequate, as you demonstrated.
oooooooo wow
Thanks for the video..are there any other Linux distributions that can be run in these boards? A lighter weight one? Like pup?
Theoretically, certainly. Armbian would be good on this board I image, if/when ported for it.
@@ExplainingComputers cool would you have to use their install tool to do it? If so is there an option to install from an image? You know rather than download from the net?
So, the VIM 1-4 nomenclature denotes increasing power, with the VIM 1s being the 2.0 version of the VIM 1?
Need help from across the pond.
I want a vim bord "vim2Max" but can't find any help with coding the gpio pens. Ideally I would like to operate them from python code/script while using the linux os. I've looked at some forums but I just can't find any examples.
Very interesting that it can handle RUclips playback on Android and not Linux. I suppose the hardware is originally descended from Android boxes and is optimised this way.
It is nothing to do with the hardware. A GPU driver for hardware accelerated playback exists for Android, but not for Linux. :(
@@ExplainingComputers One would think that ARM would be more supportive of open source drivers for their own Mali; it would bring them a competitive advantage.
The Linux kernel in Android most likely contains a binary BLOB with GPU driver enabling HW-accelerated playback, whereas the Linux kernel in Ubuntu is the generic, mainline one that does not contain driver support for that. That's the problem with ARM-based SBCs: they have built-in GPU and SoCs manufacturers provide only a closed-source binary driver, compiled against a specific version of the Linux kernel (effectively ruling out kernel updates). If you have an Android phone, you would see the Linux kernel is rarely updated if at all. The thing is the explicit policy of Linux kernel developers is that private, in-kernel APIs (only public system calls are guaranteed to be stable) may change from version to version, meaning precompiled, binary modules (drivers are such modules) are not likely to work with another kernel version, it is fine for open-source drivers, but problematic for closed-source drivers of hardware with limited lifespan/vendor support such as ARM SoCs. In short: Linux does not have a stable ABI for kernel modules to not be cluttered by compatibility layer with legacy code. In Windows things are different: Windows kernel is itself closed-source, so it has to expose some ABI/API for driver developers that would be stable for 1-2 generations of Windows.
Hi Mr.Chris, have you taken a look at the new Khadas edge 2 pro? that sbc with rockchip rk3588s sound pretty interesting
I have not, as I am going to look at a cheaper RK3588 board -- the Rock 5B -- in two weeks time. :)
@@ExplainingComputers Oh noice, i would love yo see a cheaper 3588 board as well, that's a monstrous chip, i hope pi foundation have big plans for pi 5 to catch up to these others SBCs
Thanks. What would the best SBCs for retro gaming?