.... So I've The SHP9500 AND Really Likesd It UNTIL I Got My X2HR And There's No Going Back After ListeningnTo My X2HR . ....Yours IS The 1st Negative X3 Review I've Heard . So Many On RUclips And Amazon Reviews Say X3 Is Even Better Than The X2HR So I'm Now Torn As To Getting It Or Not . ....Z Reviews Loves The X3 ....Who To Believe ....I Guess i have to buy and try for myself
@@tshepopaulsenmoto7930.... So I've The SHP9500 AND Really Likesd It UNTIL I Got My X2HR And There's No Going Back After ListeningnTo My X2HR . ....Yours IS The 1st Negative X3 Review I've Heard . So Many On RUclips And Amazon Reviews Say X3 Is Even Better Than The X2HR So I'm Now Torn As To Getting It Or Not . ....Z Reviews Loves The X3 ....Who To Believe ....I Guess i have to buy and try for myself
@@philipl7647.... So I've The SHP9500 AND Really Likesd It UNTIL I Got My X2HR And There's No Going Back After ListeningnTo My X2HR . ....Yours IS The 1st Negative X3 Review I've Heard . So Many On RUclips And Amazon Reviews Say X3 Is Even Better Than The X2HR So I'm Now Torn As To Getting It Or Not . ....Z Reviews Loves The X3 ....Who To Believe ....I Guess i have to buy and try for myself
this is a review: Let us start off with the bass as we break down the frequencies. The lower end is everything you could expect for good quality, balanced bass. It is deep and solid. Kicks with a kickdrum sounded round, smooth, and punchy. In every other instrument, the low frequency output is well-defined and well-articulated. I only have great things to say in this area. I alluded to the midrange when I discussed the sound signature. Vocals and instruments in this region were natural and clear with a good range. However, the saturation, richness, and thickness were mostly standard with no surprises. One thing to note is snare drums did not sound very dynamic upon the strike of a drumstick. I have a big preference for fully saturated and warm midrange outputs, so this is where a lot of the Fidelio X3's sound signature differs from my personal preference. One big highlight of the Fidelio X3 is its awesome treble. The clear, bright, and crisp output made it incredible for instrumental music, especially for those who appreciate string instruments. Anything involving percussion like a cymbal or hi-hat was sharp, tight, immediate, and crisp with a sparkling touch as well. The remarkably clean and wet treble carries a lot of energy and I was impressed in almost every way. The only aspect I see room for improvement was a slight, but noticeable, lack of solidity and depth when metal is being hit. Here is the part you have all been waiting for: The Fidelio X3's soundstaging. These are open back headphones, and I will confirm that these have a super wide soundstage. I am going to say it again. It is super wide. There is massive depth and width, where all dimensions are extremely well-defined. You just have to experience it to understand. You will not be disappointed. Closing off with the auxiliary auditioning results, the imaging of the Philips Fidelio X3 was very realistic; staying true to the original production or recording. The layers were precisely produced with a perfect amount of detail. The resolution was nearly perfect across the range, as it picked up practically everything and anything in a quality encoded track. If you think you know your music, listen to the tracks all over again with the Philips Fidelio X3, and you will simply find it a totally new experience as you may discover things you have never noticed before. Deriving from this, the frequency separation was excellent. Again, every detail was almost perfectly reproduced, thanks to its clear, high definition, and clean separation. At the same time, the entire spectrum was cohesive with no transition effects, making it sound exactly as it should. I was also very impressed by how clean the sound comes out to be. It is hard to get much better than this. Overall, the Philips Fidelio X3 are incredible audiophile headphones for those who want to enjoy music at home without bothering the entire family. If you find its sound signature acceptable, which I understand is not everybody's preference, these headphones are very appealing in many ways. Do keep in mind these are open back headphones, so those in close proximity to you will still be able to hear what you are playing and are intrinsically not designed to block out external sound.
.... So I've The SHP9500 AND Really Likesd It UNTIL I Got My X2HR And There's No Going Back After ListeningnTo My X2HR . ....Yours IS The 1st Negative X3 Review I've Heard . So Many On RUclips And Amazon Reviews Say X3 Is Even Better Than The X2HR So I'm Now Torn As To Getting It Or Not . ....Z Reviews Loves The X3 ....Who To Believe ....I Guess i have to buy and try for myself
Heres the difference 2XHR - Consumer targetted, has a fun sound for normal consumers 3X - Audiophile Targetted, has a neutral sound with Balanced signature (which is why the bass isnt as good as the 2XHR) specifically for audiophiles
Very interesting you find such a large difference between the X2 and X3. Especially because they both use the exact same driver assembly. I couldn't tell the difference between my X2 and the X3 with intense listening. Blindfolded it would be even more impossible. I'm not sure why you found such a large difference between the two.
Placebo effect. He says the exact same thing as most other "indie" reviews. Watch ZReviews, he even says the X3 is better in terms of sound, over the X2HR..
@@DuSeun Has nothing to do with the graphs. This is pure placebo by the OP. Again, go watch ZReviews, an actual legit audiophile with more than 20 years experience and over 100 pairs of headphones. I know who i trust the most.
@@RootDen. It has everything to do with the graphs. You're saying any difference is placebo because Zeos hears no difference. But the graphs say something else. Apparently Zeos' hearing isn't as good as you think it is. You can disagree with the facts all you want, but that doesn't change them. Overall, X3 are less bassy and less accurate than X2HR. That's the objectively measured facts.
@@DuSeun If anything, this shows that measurements aren't everything, because ears are different, and the way sound waves interact with the available space. I have both, and the X2HR doesn't do anything better or more accurately than the X3. I can't even pick out the bass line with the X2HR. All I get is "is there bass? yup. what does the bass player do? no idea". The bass on the X3 is not only more accurate, tighter it is also less boomy. As a bass player, being able to pick out what other people (or even yourself! not that i would use these on either gigs or practice due to being open) are playing is kind of important. The X2HR's lower midrange is covered by the bass bloat, and the highs are sibilant as frick. I find nothing pleasant or accurate about the X2HR. If it measures more accurately, then you apparently need ears that are shaped like the measuring rig's. The clamping force is less though, which is one of only three points I can see where the X2HR has a redeeming feature (the other two being easier to find a replacement cable, and often better discounted). Like, I am not an X2HR hater or X3 lover. They are tools. And I expect a tool to do its job. If your hammer fits your hand perfectly, but is too small for mine, that doesn't make the hammer bad. Or those who decided how it would measure. Measurements are a guide, not a god.
got both x3&x2hr, be honestlly and the sound is very very big different, the x3 can feel better dynamic, more tight bass details and less dynamic compression. if you listen to the violin or piano, you can hear the “Grainy” and “muscle” is more spririt than the X2HR. But X2HR still have these advantages. the 1st is the x2hr got deeper bass expansion. Yes!! the X3's bass is powerful but not too deep. The 2nd because the X2HR sounding more soft in whole frequency, especailly in treble range, you can feel some deeper soundstage and extensive soundfield.
Very strange as absolutely everyone that I speak with LOVES THE X3 and said that they are so very happy with theirs . Guess your opinion is worthy also.
@@Ton-uy1xd Gibson went bankrupt a couple of years ago, since then TP Vision is licensee for audio (and tv) products of Philips. Not sure though if these are leftover designs from Gibson, or are entirely designed by TP Vision.
@@jamesrietveld5171 That would be TP Vision's. No experience with hi-end headphones at all, a Chinese company just produced mediocre Chinese crap. Undercover of franchise by the once famous brand that no longer really exist in the AV field, making now only a professional healthcare products.
I really wanted to like the X3. I just got it although I own the X2HR. To me the X2s sound better overall. The leather on the X3 is really nice. Not sure why people are talking bad about the build. I did like the X3 build. Also, it had a lighter clamp than the X2 and they were lighter weight. Bass was suffering when you compare the two of them. Although I got them at $200 I'm happier with the X2s and will probably spend more toward the HD600 or Sundaras if I want something different.
.... So I've The SHP9500 AND Really Likesd It UNTIL I Got My X2HR And There's No Going Back After ListeningnTo My X2HR . ....Yours IS The 1st Negative X3 Review I've Heard . So Many On RUclips And Amazon Reviews Say X3 Is Even Better Than The X2HR So I'm Now Torn As To Getting It Or Not . ....Z Reviews Loves The X3 ....Who To Believe ....I Guess i have to buy and try for myself
I've got many headphones and X3, HD6XX both. I usually listen to music with X3. HD6XX has no sub and mid bass. Someone might say that X3 doesn't have enough. In my opinion, I feel soft and comfortable bass with X3. Overall, it's balanced.
.... So I've The SHP9500 AND Really Likesd It UNTIL I Got My X2HR And There's No Going Back After ListeningnTo My X2HR . ....Yours IS The 1st Negative X3 Review I've Heard . So Many On RUclips And Amazon Reviews Say X3 Is Even Better Than The X2HR So I'm Now Torn As To Getting It Or Not . ....Z Reviews Loves The X3 ....Who To Believe ....I Guess i have to buy and try for myself.
Also as a headphone aimed at audiophiles, so Philips say, why does it have an impedance of just 30 ohms? In my opinion a headphone like this for home hifi use would have been better with an impedance of at least 120 ohms. I find low impedance headphones do not work very well with hifi amplifiers, not much clarity and distort fairly easy.
The Sundara and X2/X2HRs are very different headphones which I think is cool to recommend, but yea, basically lol
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less bassy? no V sound? wtf bro😂😂. I admit it, as successors to the X2 are terrible because they are not "fun" and I understand the annoyance of the followers of the fidelio "X" family. But everyone who sees this should know that for 150 usd they are excellent headphones for those who really enjoy good sound.
Tbf I’m sure prices are going down eventually with these new philips, still nobody wanted a bright headphone from a fidelio... You should do a best around $350 between the sundara, the new sennheisers and the Phoenix, seems like there’s finally stuff happening between $200 and $500
I just ordered these at 50% off for black week. I watched a whole lot reviews comparing this to the X2HR, ended up going with the X3. The discount made it cheaper than it's predecessor.(At least here in Norway). They are replacing my trusty DT770s so I'm guess the bass is gonna take some getting used to. From what I've heard it's more detailed but less "fun" than the X2HR so I'm interested to see how I'll like them. If all else fail I'll send it back and get the X2HR instead, so I'm not too worried.
@@craigroberts5965 I think a lot of people loved the sound signature on the X2HR and were dissapointed by the difference in the X3. Not to mention they launched at least 30% too expensive.
Hey, thanks for giving these quality reviews - two more headphone candidates now have been dropped from my search 😊 I would like to ask, if that's appropriate - what headphones (either closed or open-back) would you recommend with the following preferences: (1) I really like the tonal balance of the Sony mdr ex-650 earbuds, and would like something similar, but with a touch more detail, and over-ear. (2) About 200-300 EUR in price. (3) Easily driven from a smartphone, not needing a hi-res player or DAC. (4) Punchy, clear bass with a good sub-bass (not overbearing though), clear treble, but not too crisp or metallic, clinical, analytic and fatiguing (I'm returning the Beyerdynamic DT 700 Pro X for this reason). Mainly I need the headphones to relax at home in the evening hours, but also maybe to travel sometimes (so leaning slightly towards closed-backs). Thanks for any possible suggestions from anyone in the community! 🙏😊
These should've been reviewed as a "seperate" headphone not a successor......better yet reviewed not wanting more of the same. Alot of X2 lovers wanted the X3 to be an X2.5....Bad Seed, Josh, DMS....and more.
Hey Josh, I know you gave these fidelio an F:) Its an F ranked 350 dollar headphones that had to compete to Sandara and hd600. But today you can get them for 130 bucks. Wile Sandara and HD600 are still at that 250-300 price range. How are they ranking NOW compared to other 150ish headphones? I am looking for my first open back headphone on budget. Was looking at Grado SR60e ect. Thanks!
Usually it was dms who didn't like philips headphones and Joshua liked them ,now its the opposite . Many people didn't like the x3 so far . Joshua are you planning a comparison of the x3 and the 560s and he 400i 2020 ? I believe the 560s and the 400i 2020 will be very interesting
X3's aren't even worth a comparison review they are garbage. Senheider 560s are way better though a better replacement for the x3's. In same price range obviously sundaras but I was just mentioning new headphones.
@@soraflame66 Uhm you dont even own 560s or x3s so shut up and stop bashing, i own X3s i own X2HRs, they are both good headphones designed for different things. i do prefer my x2hrs to some music and the X3s for classical music. Its not a bad headphone, if the X3s were made by sennheiser they would be exactly right and nobody would even question the price tag I personally dislike the Sundaras because they lack bass, they are extremely bright and harsh and the build quality is pretty bad and the pads suck
The X3 sound great when paired with the Chord Mojo with no sibilance at all. The bass is fairly lean when streaming Hi Rez music but accurate, tight, and textured. If you want to hear the bass they can produce you need a parametric EQ (I use EQu on iOS which is no longer available unfortunately). When using EQu you need to use a good headphone amp if you want to drive them to satisfactory volumes (when using the anti-clipping feature) they can actually pump out a lot more bass than you think possible! This does leave something to be desired when streaming Hi Rez but huge step up in resolution and details makes it worth it imo. Sound stage and separation is fantastic (especially with the Mojo but still very good with portable Sabre DACs like the Hidizs DH80S). Apple dongle is “OK” but it’s not going to drive the X2s to their full potential (even though they are fairly easy to drive!) The bass has improved a lot after using EQu to push their extension further than is possible without using parametric EQ. I’m pretty happy with them especially after getting mine open box for less than $100!
Ended up buying the X2HR open box for cheap to compare and honestly I didn’t think they had much more in the bass department. If anything, they sounded a bit more expansive in the sound stage department. Unfortunately, the clamp pressure on my head was a deal breaker for me. Hurt my temples even with shorter listening sessions. The X3 is just a better headphone imo but I ended up returning them both since none of them could hold a candle to my KZ ZSX IEMs that was much cheaper. Those things just give me everything I want and are wanting for nothing!
I picked them up at 50% off hoping it would be an upgrade. I do own the X1s and the original X2s as well. Apparently I should have dug around for reviews beforehand.
The original X1 is where it's at. Aside from the irreplaceable pads, they were the nicest looking and the materials were nicer than the X2s I owned. Those things were more fun that my DT1990s.
.... So I've The SHP9500 AND Really Likesd It UNTIL I Got My X2HR And There's No Going Back After ListeningnTo My X2HR . ....Yours IS The 1st Negative X3 Review I've Heard . So Many On RUclips And Amazon Reviews Say X3 Is Even Better Than The X2HR So I'm Now Torn As To Getting It Or Not . ....Z Reviews Loves The X3 ....Who To Believe ....I Guess i have to buy and try for myself
Hey man! Thanks for the review, bit of a random question. Your opinion what’s is the most immersive gaming experience you’ve had sub 1K. Currently looking at K712pros or Beyers T1 2nd Gens. Thoughts?
Thanks for the review as thinking of getting this but luckily I watched your video , I would love to see your take on akg k702 I know you reviewed k712 but still it would be interested to see your opinion on k701/702
Hi. Excellent all your reviews! Congratulations! I am subscribed to your channel. Great! I have a question...what do you mean when you talk about V-shape? Are you talking about 15 angular drivers? P.s. I have sennheiser hd 580, hd 600 and Philips Fidelio x2hr... Fidelio is really fun especially for watching movies. I listened to Sennheiser Hd800 and Audize lcd-x... Like 1204 👍🏻
In my country (Germany) it has gotten pretty good review tbh. I was kinda surprised that Joshua‘s review differs so much from that. There were a lot of comparisons with the 660S which surprised me because the Phillips are so much cheaper here.
I'm a big fan of this channel and what Joshua does, but in all fairness - if you Google you will find many rather positive reviews of the Fidelio X3. And yes, I own a pair but also various both closed and open back headphones from Sony, Sennheiser, Audio-Technica, AGK and Meze Audio.
@@whyllian1234 haha sorry. Maybe just a aspiration for the future! The ZMF or Focal headphones are fantastic end-game upgrades to the X2's. I betrayed my beloved X2's for the Clear 😅 The Fostex TH- headphones are great and more affordable upgrades
whyllian1234 Focal Elear or Elex. I have the Elear and they are amazing. Build quality with the Focal headphones is something other companies need to take note of.
1Dub79 I might pick that one up. I’ve been using iems exclusively through the Summer. I still want to wait until more reviews come through. They basically look like a cheaper HD599 with possibly better tuning. Not sure how that beats HD600, 6XX, HD 58X or HD 660S.
Real shame. The X2s are such a cool, unique headphone. Even people who didn’t like it had to admit that. This is just an attempt to copy the rest of the market.
@@TJ.Turner I completely agree. Don't forget, this is one person's opinion so he can over-react if he wants too, but for me over reacting lessens credibility.
i've been looking for a headset for gaming. Currently using the fidelio x2's , but the right earcup is falling off. Anything you can recommend? should I just pick up the x2's again like you mentioned. I was looking at the x3's cause they are on sale right now for 150
uniquekillerz Yeah....I don’t see why Sennheiser would dethrone the HD600, HD650/6XX. Maybe offering an alternative to the 58X makes sense since it’s a Drop exclusive.
Im a fidelio x2 user and I have been looking to upgrade, I did buy sundaras but they arrived broken and I think i want to avoid them for QC issues, does anyone have a recommendation for a pair of headphones in the same price range as the x3/sundara?
I have been using the X2 since it came out 6 years ago. Decided to treat myself and bought the HD600 recently. I really enjoy it. At first I was kind of unimpressed because there is less bass than what I was used to. But after about a week of listening to it and letting my ear adjust to the sound, I love it. Switching back to the X2 now makes it sounds colored in comparison. X2 is still the more fun headphone to listen to as it has a more v-shaped sound but the HD600 has better clarity, no sibilance, less colored/closer to original music sound. Worth a try.
@@jari121 Interesting, will consider those but not a great returns policy if i dont like them :( understandable though i guess as its an individual creator
@@RennyChuggs Yes it is definitely personal preference so ymmv. Just sharing my experience with it as I also love the X2. They sound quite different than the X2 so you may or may not like that. If there is good return policy at your area then I'd say go for it.
Nope, the X3 are a fine pair of headphones, well-balanced and quite detailed. I think price is what people are mad about.
Funny beacuse if these were made by Sennheiser nobody would even question it
These destroy my HD 650s
@@philipl7647 Totally agree!
.... So I've The SHP9500 AND Really Likesd It UNTIL I Got My X2HR And There's No Going Back After ListeningnTo My X2HR .
....Yours IS The 1st Negative X3 Review I've Heard . So Many On RUclips And Amazon Reviews Say X3 Is Even Better Than The X2HR So I'm Now Torn As To Getting It Or Not .
....Z Reviews Loves The X3
....Who To Believe
....I Guess i have to buy and try for myself
@@tshepopaulsenmoto7930.... So I've The SHP9500 AND Really Likesd It UNTIL I Got My X2HR And There's No Going Back After ListeningnTo My X2HR .
....Yours IS The 1st Negative X3 Review I've Heard . So Many On RUclips And Amazon Reviews Say X3 Is Even Better Than The X2HR So I'm Now Torn As To Getting It Or Not .
....Z Reviews Loves The X3
....Who To Believe
....I Guess i have to buy and try for myself
@@philipl7647.... So I've The SHP9500 AND Really Likesd It UNTIL I Got My X2HR And There's No Going Back After ListeningnTo My X2HR .
....Yours IS The 1st Negative X3 Review I've Heard . So Many On RUclips And Amazon Reviews Say X3 Is Even Better Than The X2HR So I'm Now Torn As To Getting It Or Not .
....Z Reviews Loves The X3
....Who To Believe
....I Guess i have to buy and try for myself
this is a review:
Let us start off with the bass as we break down the frequencies. The lower end is everything you could expect for good quality, balanced bass. It is deep and solid. Kicks with a kickdrum sounded round, smooth, and punchy. In every other instrument, the low frequency output is well-defined and well-articulated. I only have great things to say in this area.
I alluded to the midrange when I discussed the sound signature. Vocals and instruments in this region were natural and clear with a good range. However, the saturation, richness, and thickness were mostly standard with no surprises. One thing to note is snare drums did not sound very dynamic upon the strike of a drumstick. I have a big preference for fully saturated and warm midrange outputs, so this is where a lot of the Fidelio X3's sound signature differs from my personal preference.
One big highlight of the Fidelio X3 is its awesome treble. The clear, bright, and crisp output made it incredible for instrumental music, especially for those who appreciate string instruments. Anything involving percussion like a cymbal or hi-hat was sharp, tight, immediate, and crisp with a sparkling touch as well. The remarkably clean and wet treble carries a lot of energy and I was impressed in almost every way. The only aspect I see room for improvement was a slight, but noticeable, lack of solidity and depth when metal is being hit.
Here is the part you have all been waiting for: The Fidelio X3's soundstaging. These are open back headphones, and I will confirm that these have a super wide soundstage. I am going to say it again. It is super wide. There is massive depth and width, where all dimensions are extremely well-defined. You just have to experience it to understand. You will not be disappointed.
Closing off with the auxiliary auditioning results, the imaging of the Philips Fidelio X3 was very realistic; staying true to the original production or recording. The layers were precisely produced with a perfect amount of detail. The resolution was nearly perfect across the range, as it picked up practically everything and anything in a quality encoded track. If you think you know your music, listen to the tracks all over again with the Philips Fidelio X3, and you will simply find it a totally new experience as you may discover things you have never noticed before.
Deriving from this, the frequency separation was excellent. Again, every detail was almost perfectly reproduced, thanks to its clear, high definition, and clean separation. At the same time, the entire spectrum was cohesive with no transition effects, making it sound exactly as it should. I was also very impressed by how clean the sound comes out to be. It is hard to get much better than this.
Overall, the Philips Fidelio X3 are incredible audiophile headphones for those who want to enjoy music at home without bothering the entire family. If you find its sound signature acceptable, which I understand is not everybody's preference, these headphones are very appealing in many ways. Do keep in mind these are open back headphones, so those in close proximity to you will still be able to hear what you are playing and are intrinsically not designed to block out external sound.
.... So I've The SHP9500 AND Really Likesd It UNTIL I Got My X2HR And There's No Going Back After ListeningnTo My X2HR .
....Yours IS The 1st Negative X3 Review I've Heard . So Many On RUclips And Amazon Reviews Say X3 Is Even Better Than The X2HR So I'm Now Torn As To Getting It Or Not .
....Z Reviews Loves The X3
....Who To Believe
....I Guess i have to buy and try for myself
Heres the difference
2XHR - Consumer targetted, has a fun sound for normal consumers
3X - Audiophile Targetted, has a neutral sound with Balanced signature (which is why the bass isnt as good as the 2XHR) specifically for audiophiles
4:00 if anyone's wondering, it's "Orange Warnings" by Blood Red Sun
Very interesting you find such a large difference between the X2 and X3. Especially because they both use the exact same driver assembly. I couldn't tell the difference between my X2 and the X3 with intense listening. Blindfolded it would be even more impossible. I'm not sure why you found such a large difference between the two.
Placebo effect. He says the exact same thing as most other "indie" reviews. Watch ZReviews, he even says the X3 is better in terms of sound, over the X2HR..
@@RootDen. Sure, frequency response graphs are just placebo. Just look at Rtings' comparison, the X2HR is more accurate in bass, mids AND treble
@@DuSeun Has nothing to do with the graphs. This is pure placebo by the OP.
Again, go watch ZReviews, an actual legit audiophile with more than 20 years experience and over 100 pairs of headphones. I know who i trust the most.
@@RootDen. It has everything to do with the graphs. You're saying any difference is placebo because Zeos hears no difference. But the graphs say something else. Apparently Zeos' hearing isn't as good as you think it is. You can disagree with the facts all you want, but that doesn't change them. Overall, X3 are less bassy and less accurate than X2HR. That's the objectively measured facts.
@@DuSeun If anything, this shows that measurements aren't everything, because ears are different, and the way sound waves interact with the available space.
I have both, and the X2HR doesn't do anything better or more accurately than the X3. I can't even pick out the bass line with the X2HR. All I get is "is there bass? yup. what does the bass player do? no idea". The bass on the X3 is not only more accurate, tighter it is also less boomy. As a bass player, being able to pick out what other people (or even yourself! not that i would use these on either gigs or practice due to being open) are playing is kind of important. The X2HR's lower midrange is covered by the bass bloat, and the highs are sibilant as frick.
I find nothing pleasant or accurate about the X2HR. If it measures more accurately, then you apparently need ears that are shaped like the measuring rig's. The clamping force is less though, which is one of only three points I can see where the X2HR has a redeeming feature (the other two being easier to find a replacement cable, and often better discounted). Like, I am not an X2HR hater or X3 lover. They are tools. And I expect a tool to do its job. If your hammer fits your hand perfectly, but is too small for mine, that doesn't make the hammer bad. Or those who decided how it would measure. Measurements are a guide, not a god.
got both x3&x2hr, be honestlly and the sound is very very big different, the x3 can feel better dynamic, more tight bass details and less dynamic compression. if you listen to the violin or piano, you can hear the “Grainy” and “muscle” is more spririt than the X2HR. But X2HR still have these advantages. the 1st is the x2hr got deeper bass expansion. Yes!! the X3's bass is powerful but not too deep. The 2nd because the X2HR sounding more soft in whole frequency, especailly in treble range, you can feel some deeper soundstage and extensive soundfield.
I dread the day when my X1 stop working. Granted, I may be long dead by then, but I feel bad for my offspring.
Buy x2
fidelio x1s or x2hr? any huge difference between those two?
@@fernandocarvalhofagundes1132 X2 have better cable, bigger headband thingy and different color. Sound is very comparable, with some refinement in X2
@@electricant55 hmm, tks bro. I think I''ll get the x1s, the price difference it is considerable. What do u think?
@@fernandocarvalhofagundes1132 Sure. The cable is regular 3.5mm jack so try anything else and see if you have issues with the stock cable.
Very strange as absolutely everyone that I speak with LOVES THE X3 and said that they are so very happy with theirs . Guess your opinion is worthy also.
Brian and Josh working together to make videos happen, what a great combo. Always super solid reviews!!
TLDR:
“Not as good as the Sundara but the same price”
Not as good has the Hifiman HE400i, which is half the price
going to get the sundara after this video.. i was waiting for it
@@jacenfell Make sure they come with a good warranty.
@@luciensanchez1200 yea checked 16 month warranty
@@jacenfell Nice, I had two break on me.
I feel like this is Philips' audio division feeling insecure and straying from what made the fidelio line great
??
I think Gibson bought the Fidelio line. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the production moved over to Gibson after the X2HR and these are their offerings.
@@Ton-uy1xd Gibson went bankrupt a couple of years ago, since then TP Vision is licensee for audio (and tv) products of Philips. Not sure though if these are leftover designs from Gibson, or are entirely designed by TP Vision.
@@jamesrietveld5171 That would be TP Vision's. No experience with hi-end headphones at all, a Chinese company just produced mediocre Chinese crap. Undercover of franchise by the once famous brand that no longer really exist in the AV field, making now only a professional healthcare products.
Z review says its sounds better then x2hr
I really wanted to like the X3. I just got it although I own the X2HR. To me the X2s sound better overall. The leather on the X3 is really nice. Not sure why people are talking bad about the build. I did like the X3 build. Also, it had a lighter clamp than the X2 and they were lighter weight. Bass was suffering when you compare the two of them. Although I got them at $200 I'm happier with the X2s and will probably spend more toward the HD600 or Sundaras if I want something different.
.... So I've The SHP9500 AND Really Likesd It UNTIL I Got My X2HR And There's No Going Back After ListeningnTo My X2HR .
....Yours IS The 1st Negative X3 Review I've Heard . So Many On RUclips And Amazon Reviews Say X3 Is Even Better Than The X2HR So I'm Now Torn As To Getting It Or Not .
....Z Reviews Loves The X3
....Who To Believe
....I Guess i have to buy and try for myself
@@DroidLocks6971the x3 has better controlled bass lmao. If you love the 9509 you would definitely likes the x3 since the 9500 has less bass
I love these headphones!! Can be magical for me.
I just received the X3 and I'm very positively surprised. They simply sound fantastic and are very light and comfortable.
Philips 9600 and X3 are pretty much 2020 in a nutshell. Lots of hype early on, then pure disappointment and sheer terror when it arrived
I've got many headphones and X3, HD6XX both. I usually listen to music with X3. HD6XX has no sub and mid bass. Someone might say that X3 doesn't have enough.
In my opinion, I feel soft and comfortable bass with X3. Overall, it's balanced.
Framing it as an apology for the X2 sounds about right. The conversation on the boards was always "X2 sucks get a Sennheiser" from the chorus.
This is why we can't have nice things
I got mine at $250 and for that price I think they are very good.
.... So I've The SHP9500 AND Really Likesd It UNTIL I Got My X2HR And There's No Going Back After ListeningnTo My X2HR .
....Yours IS The 1st Negative X3 Review I've Heard . So Many On RUclips And Amazon Reviews Say X3 Is Even Better Than The X2HR So I'm Now Torn As To Getting It Or Not .
....Z Reviews Loves The X3
....Who To Believe
....I Guess i have to buy and try for myself.
Great review! I am so happy with my X2!
Hey Josh....great review....can you review the Logitech G pro x on your desk...thanks.
literally just thinking this. Would like to hear a actual review on a gaming headphone like that.
Thanks for the honest review and excellent videography as always Joshua. Love the channel.
Also as a headphone aimed at audiophiles, so Philips say, why does it have an impedance of just 30 ohms? In my opinion a headphone like this for home hifi use would have been better with an impedance of at least 120 ohms. I find low impedance headphones do not work very well with hifi amplifiers, not much clarity and distort fairly easy.
This review in a nutshell: just get the X2 or the Sundara.
The Sundara and X2/X2HRs are very different headphones which I think is cool to recommend, but yea, basically lol
less bassy? no V sound? wtf bro😂😂. I admit it, as successors to the X2 are terrible because they are not "fun" and I understand the annoyance of the followers of the fidelio "X" family. But everyone who sees this should know that for 150 usd they are excellent headphones for those who really enjoy good sound.
Tbf I’m sure prices are going down eventually with these new philips, still nobody wanted a bright headphone from a fidelio...
You should do a best around $350 between the sundara, the new sennheisers and the Phoenix, seems like there’s finally stuff happening between $200 and $500
rage These look to be $125 headphones TOPS.
Thank you for being honest and helping us with our purchases. This has to be said. Good job!
but I already pre-ordered HD 560S.. so im good
I just ordered these at 50% off for black week. I watched a whole lot reviews comparing this to the X2HR, ended up going with the X3. The discount made it cheaper than it's predecessor.(At least here in Norway).
They are replacing my trusty DT770s so I'm guess the bass is gonna take some getting used to. From what I've heard it's more detailed but less "fun" than the X2HR so I'm interested to see how I'll like them. If all else fail I'll send it back and get the X2HR instead, so I'm not too worried.
Thoughts 9 months on?
@@craigroberts5965 Still love them a lot. I highly reccomend them still.
@@parptarf thank you. it's weird how different this review is to Z's.
@@craigroberts5965 I think a lot of people loved the sound signature on the X2HR and were dissapointed by the difference in the X3. Not to mention they launched at least 30% too expensive.
They took the iconic look of the X2HR and made the X3 look almost like any other headphones. =(
I have X2hr & X3, clearly X3 is much more hifi like when pair with iFi Zen Signature Can. better vocal and mids, highs is much richer & realistic.
are HR still more bassy and better for gaming?
@@blond_slut
ya HR is more bassy, but for gaming example playing PUBG MOBILE, can hear more realistic gun firing with X3.
Hi. Which one? 6xx, HFM?. What DAC do you use?
@@luisp.9710
ZenDAC Sig V1 + ZenCan Sig 6XX + x2 iPower Elite 5v
Hey, thanks for giving these quality reviews - two more headphone candidates now have been dropped from my search 😊 I would like to ask, if that's appropriate - what headphones (either closed or open-back) would you recommend with the following preferences: (1) I really like the tonal balance of the Sony mdr ex-650 earbuds, and would like something similar, but with a touch more detail, and over-ear. (2) About 200-300 EUR in price. (3) Easily driven from a smartphone, not needing a hi-res player or DAC. (4) Punchy, clear bass with a good sub-bass (not overbearing though), clear treble, but not too crisp or metallic, clinical, analytic and fatiguing (I'm returning the Beyerdynamic DT 700 Pro X for this reason). Mainly I need the headphones to relax at home in the evening hours, but also maybe to travel sometimes (so leaning slightly towards closed-backs). Thanks for any possible suggestions from anyone in the community! 🙏😊
These should've been reviewed as a "seperate" headphone not a successor......better yet reviewed not wanting more of the same. Alot of X2 lovers wanted the X3 to be an X2.5....Bad Seed, Josh, DMS....and more.
Thank you very much for these reviews JV, you don’t know how much helpful you are to us.
Got them for $150ish, and I'm very pleased with them.
You wouldn't buy them if you were a bass head, that's true.
Hey Josh, I know you gave these fidelio an F:) Its an F ranked 350 dollar headphones that had to compete to Sandara and hd600. But today you can get them for 130 bucks. Wile Sandara and HD600 are still at that 250-300 price range. How are they ranking NOW compared to other 150ish headphones? I am looking for my first open back headphone on budget. Was looking at Grado SR60e ect. Thanks!
I'm glad I watched your review! I'm sticking to my decision and will get the X2HR.
Thanks Josh, the Sundara's it is! Haven't checked out the new place yet, I'll check after I make the order for the Sundara.
I think they sound pretty much the same. I also think the X3 is much better looking and more comfortable.
Thanks so much Joshua, you saved me a lot of money.
One question, what music did you use at the start of the video?
Oh cool. Already subscribed to both of you before this. Love both of your channels which is always high quality
Usually it was dms who didn't like philips headphones and Joshua liked them ,now its the opposite . Many people didn't like the x3 so far . Joshua are you planning a comparison of the x3 and the 560s and he 400i 2020 ? I believe the 560s and the 400i 2020 will be very interesting
I haven't agreed with DMS on one damned headphone review yet. Not going to bother trying the X3 no matter what he says.
X3's aren't even worth a comparison review they are garbage. Senheider 560s are way better though a better replacement for the x3's. In same price range obviously sundaras but I was just mentioning new headphones.
@@soraflame66 Uhm you dont even own 560s or x3s so shut up and stop bashing, i own X3s i own X2HRs, they are both good headphones designed for different things. i do prefer my x2hrs to some music and the X3s for classical music. Its not a bad headphone, if the X3s were made by sennheiser they would be exactly right and nobody would even question the price tag
I personally dislike the Sundaras because they lack bass, they are extremely bright and harsh and the build quality is pretty bad and the pads suck
The X3 sound great when paired with the Chord Mojo with no sibilance at all. The bass is fairly lean when streaming Hi Rez music but accurate, tight, and textured. If you want to hear the bass they can produce you need a parametric EQ (I use EQu on iOS which is no longer available unfortunately). When using EQu you need to use a good headphone amp if you want to drive them to satisfactory volumes (when using the anti-clipping feature) they can actually pump out a lot more bass than you think possible! This does leave something to be desired when streaming Hi Rez but huge step up in resolution and details makes it worth it imo. Sound stage and separation is fantastic (especially with the Mojo but still very good with portable Sabre DACs like the Hidizs DH80S). Apple dongle is “OK” but it’s not going to drive the X2s to their full potential (even though they are fairly easy to drive!) The bass has improved a lot after using EQu to push their extension further than is possible without using parametric EQ. I’m pretty happy with them especially after getting mine open box for less than $100!
Ended up buying the X2HR open box for cheap to compare and honestly I didn’t think they had much more in the bass department. If anything, they sounded a bit more expansive in the sound stage department. Unfortunately, the clamp pressure on my head was a deal breaker for me. Hurt my temples even with shorter listening sessions. The X3 is just a better headphone imo but I ended up returning them both since none of them could hold a candle to my KZ ZSX IEMs that was much cheaper. Those things just give me everything I want and are wanting for nothing!
For some reason, the lamp off to the right keeps looking like Target's logo. What's wrong with me lmao. Great review as always.
I picked them up at 50% off hoping it would be an upgrade. I do own the X1s and the original X2s as well. Apparently I should have dug around for reviews beforehand.
Yooooo I love bad seed techs videos. It's neat to know you guys are acquainted.
Macro shots are looking soooo nice!
Rather get the HD560s
The original X1 is where it's at. Aside from the irreplaceable pads, they were the nicest looking and the materials were nicer than the X2s I owned. Those things were more fun that my DT1990s.
mine broke and i wish i could still get one cause the bass was so good for an open back
.... So I've The SHP9500 AND Really Likesd It UNTIL I Got My X2HR And There's No Going Back After ListeningnTo My X2HR .
....Yours IS The 1st Negative X3 Review I've Heard . So Many On RUclips And Amazon Reviews Say X3 Is Even Better Than The X2HR So I'm Now Torn As To Getting It Or Not .
....Z Reviews Loves The X3
....Who To Believe
....I Guess i have to buy and try for myself
Hey man! Thanks for the review, bit of a random question. Your opinion what’s is the most immersive gaming experience you’ve had sub 1K. Currently looking at K712pros or Beyers T1 2nd Gens. Thoughts?
The one thing bothering me was that pair of G Pro X wireless from the thumbnail. I sold mine for $25 because I'd never had something worse than that.
Eagerly wait for your HD560s review.
Thanks for the review as thinking of getting this but luckily I watched your video , I would love to see your take on akg k702 I know you reviewed k712 but still it would be interested to see your opinion on k701/702
I love Philips, they are the E-PI-TOME of headphones.
excellent timber
@Tasunke He's making fun of my epic failure in a video. Pretty funny and worth a watch!
So they flipped the sound signature? Who wanted that?
Philips headphones are getting really pretty
i think the x2hr looks nicer
I honestly really disliked the X2, such a shame after the great Fidelio L1! (I still have a working L1!)
Hi. Excellent all your reviews! Congratulations! I am subscribed to your channel. Great!
I have a question...what do you mean when you talk about V-shape?
Are you talking about 15 angular drivers?
P.s. I have sennheiser hd 580, hd 600 and Philips Fidelio x2hr...
Fidelio is really fun especially for watching movies.
I listened to Sennheiser Hd800 and Audize lcd-x...
Like 1204 👍🏻
Phillips could solve this with something like X3HR (a balanced x2hr with x3 platform)
So for me (bass lover) of my x2hr, it's not a worth upgrade.
But the question is : Do philips done a good headphones?
In my country (Germany) it has gotten pretty good review tbh. I was kinda surprised that Joshua‘s review differs so much from that. There were a lot of comparisons with the 660S which surprised me because the Phillips are so much cheaper here.
Video is boooring. Interesting how you spend the time comparing 2 Fidelios, but you never bother to show the X2HR at all.
I'm a big fan of this channel and what Joshua does, but in all fairness - if you Google you will find many rather positive reviews of the Fidelio X3. And yes, I own a pair but also various both closed and open back headphones from Sony, Sennheiser, Audio-Technica, AGK and Meze Audio.
And then finally you have an opportunity to compare it yourself. And then you find - to put it mildly - Joshua was 100% right. X3 is a crap.
Just ordered the Sennheiser HD 560S. Heard some good things so taking a chance
Well, that's disappointing... Still looking for a true X2 upgrade
E-Mu Teak are a really solid bass cannon.
Aeolus, Elex, Clear :p
@@Wadacup Jeeeeeezuuuussss man....I guess I should add "without limiting my ability of buying food" xD
@@whyllian1234 haha sorry. Maybe just a aspiration for the future! The ZMF or Focal headphones are fantastic end-game upgrades to the X2's.
I betrayed my beloved X2's for the Clear 😅
The Fostex TH- headphones are great and more affordable upgrades
whyllian1234 Focal Elear or Elex. I have the Elear and they are amazing. Build quality with the Focal headphones is something other companies need to take note of.
Do you like the 9600s better or the x2??
Any chance to figure out the music in the background in the beginning?!
Hey!
After the X3 letdown, how do you think the X2HR stack against the new HD 560s?
Which would you recommend? The X2’s or the X3’s? Both are on sale at the moment.
@@Isaac-cj3fv I decided to go with the X2's but thanks anyways.
These things are $349.99 on Amazon. At that price point, I'd get something else.
1Dub79 Sennheiser HD 6XX HD 58X or the new HD 560S. All $200 or less.
@@Assimilator702 I own the 58x, SHP9500 and the Nari Ultimate. That 560S seems like a great headphone.
1Dub79 I might pick that one up. I’ve been using iems exclusively through the Summer. I still want to wait until more reviews come through. They basically look like a cheaper HD599 with possibly better tuning. Not sure how that beats HD600, 6XX, HD 58X or HD 660S.
They've recently dropped to 216.00.
@@TJ.Turner I just bought a pair of Focal Elegia for $400 BNIB. That's a deal that can't be passed up. Amazing headohones.
The x3 is 150$ off rn. Do I buy the x3 or the x3hr?
he just said dont even buy it
@@asdfkjhlk34 3 months ago 😐
Real shame. The X2s are such a cool, unique headphone. Even people who didn’t like it had to admit that. This is just an attempt to copy the rest of the market.
I thought I heard something about them being sold , maybe the new owners don’t know didly squat
One of my favorite reviews.. a product smackdown always ensure credibility in the reviewers and amongst the industry.
I think he is over reacting.
@@TJ.Turner I completely agree. Don't forget, this is one person's opinion so he can over-react if he wants too, but for me over reacting lessens credibility.
Philips get rid of that headband strap, it sucks on the x2, I won't get headphones with that
My name's still Josh
i've been looking for a headset for gaming. Currently using the fidelio x2's , but the right earcup is falling off. Anything you can recommend? should I just pick up the x2's again like you mentioned. I was looking at the x3's cause they are on sale right now for 150
You and Brian are awesome reviewers. Do a collab sometime!
Great review
Can you please compare the Ananda with the LCD2 fazor ?
Ananda is much more neutral and sounds wider. LCD2 is warmer with better bass IMO.
@@AliArghavan do you A/B them ?
I own the x2hr.
So if the x 3. Isn't worlds better, why upgrade?
Would these headphones be good for gaming.... for hearing footsteps....?
The HD560S are currently half the price of the X3. Surely that's a nail in the X3's coffin, if the HD560's are as good as reviewers make out
uniquekillerz Yeah....I don’t see why Sennheiser would dethrone the HD600, HD650/6XX. Maybe offering an alternative to the 58X makes sense since it’s a Drop exclusive.
In which tracks does the driver not handle the appropriate bass response ?
I want a pair to be honest, because I like the look
Why would you get cosmetic surgery when you could get your vocal chords messed with to sound like Brian P? Love that guy...
“Ya ready? Let’s go!”
You READY.....Let's go!!!
One more time, I don't trust your ears.
X2 and X3 design is on point except the dirt magnet earpads.
Changing earpads..easy fix
Please do timestamps like at 6:40 in this video please, 10 seconds in which I find out all I need to know about this headphone. Saves time! Thanks.
I'm pretty sure this is supposed to be like a shure 1840 competitor
How to clean that fabric? Washing machine?
complete bullshit, I disagree on every point
Im a fidelio x2 user and I have been looking to upgrade, I did buy sundaras but they arrived broken and I think i want to avoid them for QC issues, does anyone have a recommendation for a pair of headphones in the same price range as the x3/sundara?
Verum one mk2.
I have been using the X2 since it came out 6 years ago. Decided to treat myself and bought the HD600 recently. I really enjoy it. At first I was kind of unimpressed because there is less bass than what I was used to. But after about a week of listening to it and letting my ear adjust to the sound, I love it. Switching back to the X2 now makes it sounds colored in comparison. X2 is still the more fun headphone to listen to as it has a more v-shaped sound but the HD600 has better clarity, no sibilance, less colored/closer to original music sound. Worth a try.
@@jari121 Interesting, will consider those but not a great returns policy if i dont like them :( understandable though i guess as its an individual creator
@@wilwilb3533 Im a bit worried about the hd600s being a bit boring in comparison to the x2 but i guess i can easily return them if i dont like them!
@@RennyChuggs Yes it is definitely personal preference so ymmv. Just sharing my experience with it as I also love the X2. They sound quite different than the X2 so you may or may not like that. If there is good return policy at your area then I'd say go for it.
If these are so bad as we say it is why does google always say it’s the loudest headphones out there
if i bought it cant i just use the pads from my old x2 to x3?
Pad-swappers are disgusted, once again.
Imma keep my fidelio x2hr cause this costs like a Beats and i don't understand it.
For this money get a Sennheiser hd600
You keep saying "X2" but I am pretty sure you mean "X2R", in fact you even link to the "X2R". There's a significant difference between the two!
DO ZMF VERITE CLOSED PLEASE AND THANK YOU
at 200$ its not worth it , at 350$ its DOA
I grabbed them for 200, That is the most I was willing to pay for them. I like them, but they are def not worth 250+, love my X2HR's though.
Did Brian pay you to promote his company 🤣
No. He let me borrow his headphone. He’s right down the street.
Lol