Big Brother (US) - Ranking the Players That Re-Entered the Game
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- In this video, I rank every player of Big Brother US that had re-entered the game after they have been voted out.
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Bold of you to say that jags game changed for… I’m going to say the better when he joined the mafia with Matt and Bowie Jane, but I respect it TMR
Jags is very underrated. Very talented player.
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@@luthorlex-fc9ftno just no
@@luthorlex-fc9ftyou trolling
It does show how bad Jag was at some parts of the game that some don't rank him #1 despite winning the game, and no others who returned to the game even making it to Final 3.
Hearing TMR rant about Jag's game is always such a treat !
And also part of why I REALLY wanna know his take on who is the better winner between him and the winner of BBCAN1 , considering his criterias
He would have her in last because Jag got enough votes to win
Oh, did he confirm it himself ? Cuz tbh I PROBABLY think he would, however, in every single ranking he has done involving specific kinds of players (runner-ups, winners, finale jurors, merge boots, etc...), the people who had to come back into the game were systematically in last, pretty sure he's even said that, to him, getting voted out and coming abck into the game is the "biggest knock anyone can have in the game" (though OBVIOUSLY, BBCAN1 is such a niche situation that you might not think of that instantly).
The other thing that makes me wonder is that, he actually seems high on BBCAN's winner game (though not as a winning game), while we all know what he thinks of Jag's, so I'm reallt interested in knowing !
@@Pixeloflo yea I don't like that. I see it as an impossible task for a previously voted out player to win.
I think he would have jag above just because Jillian wasn't suppose to win that season she won by accident
@@Pixeloflo he said it in his streams
I literally spit my coffee out laughing at Cliff at #1. Gawd.
Why? He’s easily the best. He wins if he makes it to the end and the week he left for the first time they didn’t even really want him out , they just wanted to spite Nick and Bella
Yeah ranking Cliff #1 was a ridiculous ranking. Ranking him over Sharon was especialy absurd.
@@Edge439 He does not automatically win if he makes the end. He loses for sure to Tommy, and probably to Christie. He might lose to Jackson. Him vs Nicole is even uncertain although I might lean Cliff. The only one he beats almost for sure is Holly. That aside though, he made one of the worst moves in history in booting Tommy over Holly, a move he and Nicole are both still ridiculed for to this day, but IMO that is unfair to Nicole as she wanted to keep Tommy, while Cliff insisted on booting him. And excuses aside he was a pre jury boot, but a pre jury boot who came back to come 4th, not a pre jury boot who won the whole game like Jag.
I think ranking him about 4th would be generous. This person is the only one you will ever find making a list ranking people who re entered the game and has Cliff #1.
Someone like Sharon does beat everyone at the end for sure (unlike Cliff), came close to making the end despite being both the biggest jury threat + outnumbered by the other side of the house, while her allies were winning no competitions, being saddled with one of the worst partners in history in Joshuhua. There isn't even a single advantage Cliff has over her.
@@rolandgreen7484 Cliff beats Christie undoubtedly, He beats holly , he beats Jackson & beats Nicole. Tommy Vs cliff is uncertain but it’s likely a 5-4 vote anyway.
@@Edge439 Tommy vs Cliff is not 5-4. Jack, Christie, Analyse, Nick are all easy Tommy votes. Nick btw confirmed post game he forgave Tommy in the jury house, and would only possibly voted Jackson against him. Jess said post show she votes Nicole over Cliff, and Tommy over Nicole, so while she wasn't asked about Cliff and Tommy, by default we know she votes Tommy over Cliff. Holly would definitely vote Tommy over anyone but Jackson. So he has 3 votes max- Jackson, Kat, Nicole. In the scenario a Tommy-Cliff F2 happens, Cliff probably betrayed Jackson, so that likely makes him a Tommy vote too, and Kat was super pro Tommy in her reddit posts, so I imagine she probably votes Tommy too. Cliff's absolute best case is a 6-3 loss though, and it could even be an 8-1 loss.
Cliff vs Christie? Not sure how you are so sure Cliff wins. Jack, Tommy, Analyse, and Jess are 100% locked Christie votes. Jess was super pro Christie if you watched the season, and for sure votes her over everyone, other than maybe her bestie Kat. Kat and Holly would be up in the air. Nick, Jackson, Nicole probably all vote Cliff, but Christie only needs to get 1 of Kat or Holly to win.
Cliff vs Nicole? Again I don't think it is as clear as you think even here. Tommy and Christie likely vote Nicole as they were closer to her. Jess has already confirmed she votes Nicole, as mentioned above. Jack and Nick probably vote Cliff, although Nick was much closer to Nicole than to Cliff. Holly I would guess leans Cliff. Jackson is really a toss up vote here. Kat is a toss up vote too. Analyse is also a toss up, but she would be more likely to follow Tommy and Christie than follow Jack.
Cliff vs Holly? Holly would have Jackson, Jess, Kat all locked. Tommy and Christie might vote Holly, as they were closer to her. Analyse's vote is pretty up in the air. I think Jack and Nick likely go Cliff. Cliff might even lose to Holly, now that I think about it, which I didn't realize.
No Cliff is not a surefire winner at F2. He loses to Tommy FOR SURE, regardless what you think it isn't even a question as I broke down, he might lose to Christie or Jackson, and he isn't even certain to beat Holly or Nicole in fact. He was a moderate jury threat, but that in no way overcomes his poor game play at points, and some of the horrific errors he made. Sharon is both a MUCH bigger jury threat than Cliff (Sharon for sure beats everyone in a F2 on her season, which you know if you watched BB9) and played a far better strategic game with fewer errors than Cliff, and overcame being in a disdavantaged position the whole game (which was not her fault) something Cliff did not have to do despite her rough situation early. No way on planet earth is Cliff near Sharon, and he is likely below people like John Mac, Jag (simply since he won the game, and Cliff was a pre jury boot just like him anyway), and possibly 1 or 2 others.
Him describing their previous explanations of Jag as “Rants” made me laugh more than it should’ve. Lol
My top 5:
1. Sharon
2. Jag (only this high since he technically won his season)
3. John Mac
4. Judd
5. probably Cliff
1. Jag
---huge gap----
2. Sharon
3. Judd
4. John Mac
5. no idea, since everyone else was pretty bad. Maybe James since he was fighting the impossible spot of being the biggest threat.
6. Victor- yes despite being evicted 3 times vs the others 2 (and Jag's 1)
7. Cliff
8. Nicole BB16
9. the rest suck so no ranking
Cliff does not deserve #1. He made an all time dumb ass moving by not splitting up Holly/Jackson twice at both Final 6 and Final 5, particularly booting Tommy over Holly at Final 5.
Also Cliff does not beat everyone in a jury vote as you claim. Christie would have Jack, Analyse, Tommy, Jess 100% locked over him. Tommy would have Jack, Analyse, Nick, Christie 100% locked over him. Both need only 1 more vote and I am sure get it, especialy as Cliff's only locked vote would be Nicole. Tommy imparticular as any scenario of a Tommy-Cliff Final 2 means Cliff betrayed Jackson/Holly, and both easily vote Tommy now. Not that his game play would merit #1 even if he did beat everyone in a jury vote.
Ranking Cliff at #1 is ridiculous. Final juror rankings of Nicole A have her quite low, which I mostly agree with, but she was a stronger player than Cliff, so by that logic he should be even lower. On this list I would have somewhere around the middle. And has already been said booting Tommy over Holly was an all time dumb move, and all Cliff's fault as Nicole didn't even want to do that.
How was she better than cliff. Cliffs biggest flaw was he lack of comp wins
@@charliesarver Well for one thing she wanted to do the right move (keep Tommy over Holly) which Cliff refused to do. She was often foiled by his bad reads.
@@cullerjones Nicole had way less agency throughout the game just fyi
@@creativename7230 So? She still made less actively dumb choices, had more chance to reach Final 2, and about similar chances to win a jury vote. Both Cliff and Nicole lose badly to Tommy or Jackson, particularly Tommy, and both have a decent chance to beat Holly, while Nicole vs Cliff in a jury vote would be 50/50. Both probably lose to Christie but there were a few people who hated Christie so that is close for both. And Nicole was more likely to reach Final 2 than Cliff. And of course she isn't the one who made actively dumb choices like booting Tommy over Holly. Remember Nicole wanted to the right thing and keep Tommy, while dumb dumb Cliff refused.
I would have Judd and John Mac tied for 1st, Jag 3rd, Sharon 4th, Cliff and Ami tied for 5th.
Ami!?!? Ami sucked.
TheMeranianreview, I also don't think Cliff beats Tommy in a jury vote at all, although I agree he beats Holly and Nicole easily, and probably beats Jackson. However since you believe Cliff beats Tommy in a jury vote, it makes his move to boot Tommy over Holly at Final 5 all the dumber still, based on your own logic.
Exactly. I agree Cliff does not beat Tommy in a F2, but if the video maker thinks he does, even dumber to rank Cliff #1 booting Tommy (who if he loses to Cliff makes the move even dumber than it already is) over Holly, which is already considered an all time worst move despite that 99% agree Tommy beats Cliff or anyone in a F2. So imagine thinking Cliff beats Tommy, and still putting Cliff on top with that move.
Cliff in 1st I strongly disagree with. Jag I would put 1st since he won the game. Sharon 2nd. John Mac 3rd, think he is really underrated. Not sure my rankings after those first 3 as the rest all have flaws but I think Judd, James, and possibly Nicole and Victor are better than Cliff too.
Sharon Obermueller is unironically my favorite Big Brother player of all time. I loved her in a sweatshirt and messy bun in the confessional dealing with all the chaos around her.
I mean there was really only 4 ppl that did get voted out and had to come back, I think if I were to guess what his list would be, I think it would be this
1. Gary
2. Tera
3. Kelsey
4. Sindy
the fact that jag is number 2 despite winning the game says sm about his gameplay
i think a bbcan version of this would be fun!
Love the Cliff appreciation. I think he’s a very underrated player at this point who was a victim of the physical comps in modern BB. With the criticism of his Tommy move, I think a lot of people are missing that Tommy was actively against Cliff and still a big comp threat while Jackson and Holly wanted him in three while being worse at mental comps than Tommy. In Cliff’s mind where he’s banking on mental comps, he knows Tommy is a bigger threat to him than Jackson and Holly in winning those. Should he have known what the comps were going to be in the end game and that mental comps were a thing of the past? Maybe? But I feel like most of the community didn’t realize it at that point. Still a very solid game that gets crapped on way too much.
Tommy was not anymore actively against Cliff than Jackson was given who was left. Tommy would keep Cliff over Jackson. He probably takes Nicole over Cliff (mainly since Tommy smokes Nicole in a Final 2, pretty sure he wins 8-1 with only Cliff voting Nicole, so there would be no reason to take anyone but her), but in an interview he even said he wasn't 100% sure on that. Jackson 100% for sure keeps Holly over Cliff, which btw Cliff did not realize. And it isn't even for sure Jackson keeps/takes Cliff over Nicole, although I would guess he does. If anything given the 4 who would be left in each scenario, Jackson is even less likely to be keeping Cliff in general.
Tommy was not actively against Cliff. Tommy has confirmed he votes out Jackson over either Cliff or Nicole if he wins Final 4 veto. That is just a lame excuse for Cliff and Nicole's horrible move, particularly Cliff. NIcole I can atleast defend as she loses to all of Tommy, Cliff, and Jackson in a jury vote, she thinks she beats Jackson but I doubt it, so needed to keep Holly to win the game. Cliff beats Nicole and possibly Jackson, so this does not apply to him, and he was the one behind the dumb move more than Nicole.
@@travisstrong5389 Again, Cliff is under the assumption that many of the remaining comps are mental comps. If this is true, then Tommy is the biggest comp threat remaining. Should Cliff have known? Maybe. But his logic is consistent given his assumptions.
@@timothyloux2294 That is a lame excuse and still not a good defense. Jackson was not taking Cliff to Final 2 with Holly left anymore than Tommy was taking him to Final 2, in fact even less likely. Jackson is 100% taking Holly over him (keeping in mind Cliff was dumb enough to believe Jackson was taking him over Holly, when Holly was his girlfriend, and Holly was the easiest jury opponent of the Final 5, even over Nicole probably), and maybe taking Nicole over him. Contrast that to Tommy who is for sure taking Cliff over Jackson, and also only maybe taking Nicole over him. So the odds of Jackson taking him to Final 2 were even less than Tommy taking him. Furthermore Tommy is the biggest jury threat in the house, so he acts as a shield for Cliff, as nobody would be dumb enough to take Tommy over Cliff, while it is possible some people (Holly for sure does of course) takes Jackson over Cliff, as it isn't even clear which of those two is the bigger jury threat, only that both are way beneath Tommy, but above both Nicole and Holly.
And even worse than that, as the video maker made, while still stupidly putting him at #1, is agreeing to throw Final 4 HOH to Nicole, which all but ensured he is evicted if one of Jackson or Holly wins veto, which was almost certain to happen. Ranking him #1 is absurd, and no surprise it is getting so much criticsm, and laughed at.
@@travisstrong5389 You say yourself, Tommy was the biggest jury threat. If you disagree with the move, fine. But I think Cliff's reasoning is sound. He took out the biggest comp threat and biggest jury threat. Did he sacrifice some positioning? Probably. But Cliff can't win the game without winning a comp down the stretch anyway, and he likes his chances against Jackson in mental comps. His read that Jackson would pick him over Holly was bad, but I think there's a good case that it was still his best option.
Agreed that telling everyone to throw for Nicole was bad, imo a worse move than the Holly vs Tommy decision. But like....he's clearly the best player to return from the game haha. I don't know who else has a case. Jag is truly abysmal all time terrible player who is good at comps. No one else had real win equity.
I'm still living for the hating on Jag's game. Infuriating that someone so utterly clueless, unable to make a single decision that benefitted him more than other people until *final five*, only to then throw the game away in his own mind, somehow wins having played one of the most abysmal strategic games I have ever seen for the first seven weeks after like day three.
Jag made some good moves. It’s not all awful.
sharon below two men who bumbled their way to the end while acting against their own best interests.. ok
Cliff at #1 is ridiculous. Booting Tommy over Holly is an all time dumb move, and the horrible defenses for it are even worse, and convince me even more how wrong it was. Literally the only one I could defend a bit for it is Nicole, since Nicole probably has no winnable Final 2 if she boots Holly, but Nicole is the one who wanted to keep Tommy, and Cliff was insistent against it.
Jag? He is hard to rank since in some ways his game wasn't good but he actually won so I would be fine with him anywhere from #1 to #4 basically. I don't agree he was that against his own best interests though. We can see in hindsight not turning on America and Cory would have been against his own best interests. Taking Cirie out was 100% in his best interests. Being loyal to Matt who was his minion, and as we see didn't take a shot at Jag even as HOH, and Jag was going to beat in the jury vote, was in his best interest. Literally the only thing he did against his best interest was probably taking Matt over Bowie Jane, but as we saw he beat Matt, so not sure we can even say that.
I would probably put Jag above Sharon, but Cliff clearly below her.
@@grantgoffin4774 eh. so many of those moves only worked for him bc he was insured by being basically unbeatable in speed based physical comps so nothing ever backfired bc nobody had the power to take a shot at him
@@owenyuh2600I agree but he still no way on earth is beneath Cliff who also was a pre jury boot, just like Jag, and made one of the all time dumb moves in booting Holly over Tommy. And of course has nothing in his game in any area to compare to Jag's comp dominance. Cliff possibly shouldn't even be in the top 5, LOL! Sharon I could see arguments to maybe be over Jag, but Cliff over Jag, no freaking way.
Also Jag's choice to align with Matt and Bowie Jane was smart, and both were blindly loyal Jag, and would have never taken him out even without his comp run. They are also the 2 most likely to win comps besides him besides Cameron, which almost secured his own safety to the end once Cameron went. And after being hated by Cameron early in the game, got in good with him, which also would have kept him safe if Cameron stayed longer. He is not a great strategist, but in addition to being a comp beast was smart to get close with and gain complete loyalty from the other strong comp people, and get rid of the people who were planning to go after him like America, Cory, and Cirie.
I could see arguments for either Jag or Sharon to be #1. Cliff I might not even have in the top 5 however.
Yeah agreed. No way are Cliff and Jag better than queen Sharon, especialy Cliff, geez.
I agree. It is only since they are men why they are ranked on top I think.
My Rankings:
1. Sharon- girl is amazing, had everything go wrong and still nearly won. To put idiot CLIFF especialy above her is an insult, shame on you.
2. Jag- don't like his game at all but he did win, and since most of these are mediocre or worse players (including BB16 version of Nicole) he gets this high by default.
3. Judd- If literally anyone but McCrae wins Final 4 veto is in Final 4. Then he has to win one of Final 4 veto or Final 4 HOH probably, but that is almost 50 odds as he has 2 chances, and honestly could see GinaMarie keeping him over Spencer too. Then has to win Final 3 HOH. So he did have a decent winning path, considering he beats anyone left but Andy, and he never takes Andy.
4. John Mac- Like Judd he as was a couple comps from winning. If either he or Steve win Final 4 veto he is safe there (I am sure Steve takes him off the block). Also if Steve or he wins final HOH he is in Final 2, as I am sure Steve takes him over either Vanessa or Liz. And he wins over Liz and probably over Steve. Come to think of it maybe he should be over Judd.
5. Victor- He was voted out more times than anyone else, but that isn't as big a deal when everyone on this list got voted out twice except for Jag anyway. He was the biggest jury threat when he went out, so had both a great physical and social game, and his strategic game improved as the game went. He kept getting voted out for threat level alone.
6. James- Like Victor, his threat level was literally off the charts. He coped well considering. He was considered a bigger threat than Sharon in every sense, so his situation was far tougher, of course that means he managed his threat level way worse than she did.
7. Nicole BB16- Her game this season is a bit underrated, even though it is by far her weakest game. She was just unlucky Derrick was so dominant this season, so she never had a chance.
8. Cliff- so overrated, especialy on this video. Can't believe anyone has him at #1.
9. Amy- Kind of sucks, but still made Final 4, and had a chance of reaching Final 2, although she loses to everyone.
10. Scottie
11. Cameron
12. Brandon
13. Cody
14. Kaysar
I think 8th is too low for Cliff. Would have him 5th or 6th. 7th is too high for Nicole on 16. If you ignore her later fame she sucked that season. Would probably have Ami dead last, despite that she made Final 4 in coming back.
Technically, Ryan was also evicted and re-entered too.
I think if Ryan was on this list he'd either be just above or just below James tbh.
Honestly I pretty much agree with this list but I gotta talk about Sharon because I JUST finished a rewatch and shes very fresh in my mind:
If she wins that final four HOH or if Ryan vetos her at four (which for ryan it doesn't matter that much because he has a hard time beating anyone by final four) Sharon probably wins. We know that Ryan takes her to two but Sheila also more than likely takes her to two where she has three locked jury votes. I think she may be able to pick up Sheila/Ryan (depending on who's there) or Natalie (against Sheila) and thats already enough to win. She also could be a more palatable option. I doubt she could beat Adam (as he had really good relationships with most of the house) but she also recognized that it was good for her to cut Adam over Sheila/Ryan if she had the opportunity so I don't even think thats a possibility to worry about. Overall she was screwed over by a twist (and gameplay by someone she was stuck with that she probably couldn't come back from), brought back by a quit, and played pretty well from the minority alliance and managing to make deals and position herself to be the last one from her side to go and was a comp away from f2 (and likely the win). justice for sharon, bring her back.
I don't think Natalie votes Sharon over Sheila.
My Rankings:
14. Brendan
13. Scottie
12. Cody
11. Cameron
10. Nicole
9. Kaysar
8. Sharon
7. Amy
6. James
5. Victor
4. Jag
3. Judd
2. John
1. Cliff
HUH?? Amy and James over Sharon??? Thats an interesting opinion, could you explain whats the reasoning my dude?
@@MarsinMars It is obvious a bunch of people never watched BB9. Anyone who did would know Sharon has to be #1, or at worst #2 if you give #1 to Jag just for winning. There is no way any non winner has an argument to be above Sharon, particularly as nobody went further than she did, Final 4 boot.
You should review Survivor Michigan. Would love to hear your opinions on them. I think they’re just as good as CBS Survivor.
I'd move up Judd a spot or two as I feel he and Cliff played a very similar game; both were voted out largely due to being too likeable and maneuvered to the endgame where they had a lot of win equity. Both should've went for deals that would've possibly gotten them the win, but at the end of the day they played very strong games
Cliff to me had a better mind for the game than Judd did. I feel like 4 is a good spot for Judd
@@whats_holden_up Yup, Judd was always gonna be the first of the Exterminators out if they had to get one of their own out since no one would get rid of GM or Spencer with 5 people left and Andy was way better at managing his actual threat level in the house
Cliff was voted out not for being too likeable but since Jackson had a choice between him and his lover. A situation Cliff allowed by making the asinine move of booting Tommy over Holly and leaving Holly/Jackson together, one of the dumbest moves ever on the show. Ranking him #1 on the list already makes me think this youtuber is an idiot.
@@whats_holden_up Cliff is way overrated. He didn't have a great mind for the game at all. The fact he didn't see keeping Tommy and not Holly at the Final 5 was the obvious play already shows that. Plus not seeing how horrible having Final 4 HOH thrown to Nicole was for his game, since Holly and Jackson would both evict Nicole over him probably, but not each other over him.
@@tattoofixerstattoos Cliff isn't that good of a player but compared to Judd he's better. Judd had no real idea of the game while Cliff was atleast thinking on how to better his and Nicole's game
Jag played a good game. Matt did not tell him what to do. Jag told Matt what to di.
I just love how Cody got America's favorite and then him and Jess won Amazing Race. They got the last laugh in the end.
My rankings
1. John Mac
2. Sharon
3. Jag
4. Victor
5. Judd
6. Cliff
7. James
8. Cameron
9. Scottie
10. Brendon
11. Kaysar
12. Nicole F
13. Cody
14. Ami
I don't know why I feel Johnny mac should higher than 5
Too much hate for Jag. The guy made Al lot of moves people don’t really talk about. Also, he probably shouldn’t be here since he never even left the house, so he didn’t really re-renter.
I know Amy was never that great at big brother, I just love her personality so much like she was so fun 😭.
Personally, id put Sharon first
Looks I disagree with the majority here. Jag actually won the game, so . . . Plus, I’ve never understood the thinking that Matt outplayed him for the entire game. Mat outplayed him in the prejury. Jag outplayed Matt in the postjury.
Hmmmmm kinda, I believe that Matt overall could've won but the final speeches of both him and Jag switched everything to Jag's favor
@@MarsinMars I agree with u, Matt had the game won if he was able to keep Cirie until F4 and articulate his game better. Problem was Jag made it appear he had all control where Matt said it was a 50/50 partnership.
@@pabs109 Yup and credit where credit is due, Jag weaponized the final 2 questions and speech amazingly, the only bright spot of his social/strategic game
And the fact Jag did beat huge jury threat Matt means he probably beats everyone. Maybe loses to Cirie, but I don't know about that.
@@cullerjones I mean beating Bowie Jane and Felicia aint that special 💀💀💀💀💀
I don't really get it. Why is Jag considered a player who "reentered the game," but not Taylor from BB24, or anyone else who was saved through a cancelled eviction? I mean, what's the difference, really?
The difference is he was voted out 💀, are you dumb?
Cause she was never actually voted out?
@@devondonato4609 That seems like such a meaningless difference, though. In BB24, the house was already prepared to vote out Taylor if the eviction wasn't cancelled. What if Julie had simply let the eviction vote play out, and THEN announce that the eviction was cancelled? It would basically result in the exact same thing as what really happened, and at that point, Taylor would be in the exact same boat as Jag, right?
@@DVal-bl7hm the point of the video was ranking people who reentered the game and came back in, that was his entire criteria. Taylor was never voted out, doesn’t really matter if she was and got lucked out, she never actually got voted out. It’d be different if she got evicted and won the comeback challenge against Paloma or Alyssa or something
yeah and Jag never left basically had an idol used on him
Jag should be 1, just cause he won
I didn't doubt that you'd place Cliff at 1 when I saw the vid title but in terms of performance on the single season, I just canmt argue against the utter comp dominance that Jag had, regardless of how poor he is in every other category, so he's probably my #1.
Cliff wouldn't even make my top 3. Probably my top 5, but not even sure on that. He was booted pre jury technically AND made an all time dumb move booting Tommy over Holly. Have no idea how he can be #1.
@@grantgoffin4774 I think his social game was pretty good and did at least have some sway in the house at times (AFTER he came back). I'm not sure what went through his head at the time but maybe he figured getting rid of Tommy was better since Jackson was gonna bring Cliff to the end if they somehow got rid of Holly after F5. If they kept Tommy, he would easily get rid of Jackson if given the chance, and Tommy would bring Nicole to the end.
perfect list but i wouldve had jag at 5
Hard agree, Jag win just shows me you dont need a good strategic game anymore just a bad/sufficient one
the people i would have over him would be far better winners had they won yea@@MarsinMars
Oooooo who would you have if you don't mind telling?
Judd is wayyyyyyyyy too high... him winning the veto and not taking down Elissa lost him the game.
Yet you are fine with Cliff at #1 when he made one of the all time dumb moves in booting Tommy over Holly.
I don’t know if I’ve ever seen tmr hate a winners game as much as jags. He didn’t even go this hard on Chris underwood 😂
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if sharon had an extra comp or two go her way in the latter half of the game, she probably wins, jag needed literally every comp to go his way to win, and he STILL made it harder for himself because of his ego
As much as I love Sharon I am not sure her winning is guaranteed. Could see Adam, Sheila and even Ryan (yikes) beating her 4-3 as it is very posible they all get each other + Matt + Natalie (their entire side of the house) over her leading to 4-3. However being the underdog and making the end might get her another vote or two to win over Ryan or even Sheila. I am pretty sure Adam still beats her atleast 4-3 for sure regardless.
The only problem is she isn't good at comps so winning comps at both Final 4 and Final 3 to make Final 2 (and that is the only way she ever makes Final 2) was very unlikely. That said I still rank her at #1.
I am also not sure if she wins a jury vote or not as it was a split house, but I would guess if she takes Ryan she wins somehow with someone like Matt or Sheila flipping to vote her. If she takes Sheila not sure, it is possible she could flip Natalie, pretty sure Matt, Ryan, Adam would all vote Sheila. If she takes Adam she loses but she would never be that stupid.
My Rankings:
14. Victor (he was voted out twice!!!)
13. Amy (no strategic or physical prowess)
12. Sharon (same as above)
11. Scottie (i forgot he played BB)
10. Nicole (had strategic prowess but no control)
09. Brendan (i put him this high because his risk paid off and his fiance won the season)
08. Cody (has strengths but got in his own way)
07. Kaysar (has strengths but sucks)
06. Cameron (too much of a target)
05. Judd (fucks up over and over again and is overrated but goes far)
04. James (too much of a target)
03. Cliff
02. John
01: Jag (c'mon....he won the game,, and controlled it. He deserves credit)
MY MAN HAVE YOU WATCHED BB9 AT ALL???????
Sharon at #12 is one of the worst rankings ever.
@@tattoofixerstattoos EXACTLY
@@MarsinMars Sharon should be top 5 for sure. Maybe top 3.
Bro, you're Hella hypocritical. Idk how you judge a person's game, I'm assuming you don't care about comps that much, giving that you put cliff over jag. Cliff straight up got played by Jackson at final 5 lol. I don't believe you give jag enough credit for his win. By the jury phase he was the favorite to win. By the endgame he surrounded himself with people who can't win a comp. Also, his alignment with Matt in the early game paid off 10-fold. by saving him from eviction and later proving to be reliable in comps, when he beat Jared for Pov.
It's not really that he got played by Jackson there he was always considering taking out Tommy, it's just that he couldn't convince Nicole to do so. It wasn't until that fight with Jackson and Tommy that got him to get Nicole to flip to take out Tommy. It's also SO funny that you really want to debate on whether or not Jag's game is better than Cliff's since
1. Jag's early game is worse than Cliff's and
2. Jag's mid-endgame is also worse than Cliff's
Only difference is that jag could win comps but if you look at Jag's game outside of his comp wins, it's largely mediocre and dare I say really bad
Jag's early game is objectively horrendous, his alignment with Matt pays off but as TMR explains - there was no way anyone in the house could predict the nature of that power/comp in advance, so it was entirely luck-based on Jag's end. If literally *anyone* else won that power, Jag would've gone home.
Like it can't be overstated how bad Jag's social and strategic game was. Matt was his only advocate at that point, he actively alienated everyone else, including America and Cory, who spent most of the first few weeks desperately trying to fight for him.
He continues to do this after the power is used on him, has to be told what to do by Cory and Matt and rarely acts in his own interests on his own volition, actively tries to lose the game, etc.
His alignment with Matt paying off completely by accident does not make his game somehow better. It paid off because a power was introduced arbitrarily in week four. Without it, it would've been an entirely irrelevant alliance that nobody would care about at this point.
About the only move Jag is owed any real credit for is the Cirie boot at final 5, which may or may not have served to give him the win, but everything that got him there was essentially him stumbling into it, being told what to do for Matt's benefit, or actively hurting his own game but being insulated by a comp run aided by what were essentially repeated comps.
And the kicker? Even after that boot, when he himself believed he was going to lose to Matt, he then does everything in his power to take Matt to two. His aim was to lose the game.
I can at least see the intentionality and the active decision-making from Cliff in comparison, and even if his end game wasn't necessarily good, he played about as well as could be expected up until then.
He judges based on dominance of the game outside of comp wins. Just because you win a lot of comps does not make you a good player. Relying on comps exclusively arguably makes you a worse player in my opinion. Dominating the strategic and social game with comp ability is what makes a great big brother player to me.
@@theorignalvirgo9598 Taking out Tommy over Holly was an all time dumb move, so not sure why you are praising him any for it. So congrats for convincing Nicole to make a dumb move with him, that cost both the game. No way he should be #1 on this list.
@@theorignalvirgo9598 I don't agree. Cliff and jag got evicted the same way same week. Also, if it wasn't for Hissam being insane he would've had the numbers going forward... that was never a possibility for cliff until final 6 where Jackson manipulated him into evicting his biggest threats.
Jag may have been in fake alliances however everyone was that season. Cliff could also win comps he won BBBC in record time! Cliff outside of his comp wins was a bad player he straight up said he would try and convince the jurors to vote holly if Jackson evicted him ... He lost the game when he evicted tommy jag is the winner of a season Cirie was on! to me it's clear Jag is better.
My Rankings:
14. Cody
13. Amy
12. Brendon
11. Cameron
10. Kaysar
9. Scottie
8. Victor
7. James
6. Nicole
5. Johnny Mac
4. Judd
3. Sharon
2. Cliff
1. Jag
Good rankings but I would rank Victor slightly lower
Very good rankings although the number one jag is an interesting opinion
That is way too high for Cliff. Way too low for John Mac. Too high for Kaysar.