Is the Psychedelic Renaissance Doomed? Jamie Wheal
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Jamie Wheal documented the new psychedelic renaissance in his bestselling book 'Stealing Fire', where he talked about the transformative potential of flow states and psychedelics.
Since then he has become increasingly concerned and disillusioned with the direction of the psychedelic renaissance.
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"So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart. Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours. Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people. Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide. Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a lonely place. Show respect to all people and grovel to none. When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living. If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself. Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision. When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way.
Sing your death song and die like a hero going home"
~ Chief Tecumseh (Crouching Tiger) Shawnee Nation 1768-1813 ~
Anyone who has fully criticised this perhaps doesn't completely 'grok' what he is talking about. Thank goodness these conversations are finally being had on an intelligent public forum.
The critical information is in the last two minutes, so for those who just listened to the first five minutes, at the very least, skip to the end... some of it quoted here for you (regarding psychedelics as tools, and those trained to facilitate using them) click Read more:
“Hey man, shit’s happening and it’s here.”
“It’s here just in time, and we might not get the chance to gawk and dawdle in the magic and wonder of our own transformations.”
“Here’s the tools folks, wake yourself up, rip the f-ing bandaid off, and get your wobbly legs about you, and then you’re needed. We are needed.”
“This is not to become this self-obsessive recursive endless personal journey game - maybe the hippies got to try that. We don’t.”
“We’re all needed, and we’re needed at full strength, and not just in ourselves, but with and for each other.”
“We’ve got the tools, now we have to use them, and there’s not a moment to spare.”
16:27 Super egos. Is this what happened to London Real?
I find that channel really difficult to watch, but I always did - just more so now.
He’s insufferable
LSD humbled me and I am now social media free (except youtube of course)
me too :)
We need a new social media site that doesn't utterly suck
Lsd humbled me too , had me seeing that I'm not above social media or the self promoting behavior it encourages. so now I'm back on it . just kidding Im too paranoid to be putting my life online
After doing all the drugs except heroin, I'm done with shortcuts. Time to put in the work.
Yes well said so many people are looking for a quick fix and they do work sometimes for a very long time .
I'm personally sceptical of using psycadellics unless you are a Sharman or a Sharman feels you earnt it . This is not a drug for the western world except in very exceptional circumstances and even then overseen by the Sharman or the religious trained in this stuff
@@sorenlorenson8327 If it grows where I live then I can consume it. I don't agree with this idea.
Psychedelics require work - IMHO you should have put the work in some time ago, not simply 'done drugs'.
@@dellwright1407 My point being, drugs don't work, not as a long term solution at least.
@@SonOfSeth Recreational drug use (assuming that is what you were doing) is no replacement for proper treatment. However, drugs DO work that is why modern medicine uses them! As for psychedelic assisted therapy (i.e., MDMA assisted therapy for PTSD/CPTSD, Ayahuasca for trauma and psycho-spiritual healing, Ketamine for depression etc). These also work which is why they are now working towards FDA approval, clinical licensing etc.
I'm struggling with this guy, when stealing fire came out, i was really really intrigued. I went to the flow genome project site and there was a free online seminar about to start. i signed up, what followed was a fake live event, with a fake live chat, it was pushing hard for people to sign up for training. it was as bad as the cheapest shopping channel hawkery you've ever seen. for the low low price of $xxx you get this this and this, all the while all the supposed fake chat users were proclaiming how they were all signing up and how great it was. at one point i wrote in the chat something like "someone help, im being burgled", the chat rolled on. it was completely fake. wheal talks a good fight, but the sales pitch i saw not the work of an honest player in my opinion.
phillheth thanks for the heads up.
Would you want to take a good stiff dose of acid with this guy? Not me.
lhasa7: Lol. Are you kidding? That's like asking, "if you could dose with a benevolent super computer that's trying to spread the party to the ENTIRE planet, would you?"
Hey. Thx for feedback on that webinar experience. Not sure when that was? We brought on a marketing team to help grow our platform and despite our insistence on not being cheesy, some cringe worthy things happened. On our watch, so we’re 100% responsible, but equally 100% not our intent. We open source al of our trainings and research to schools in Africa and India, to elder care around the world and take a clear stand to support homegrown humans doing good things. Glad Stealing Fire landed for you. Will be writing more in next book about social implications and applications.
@@jamierwheal fair enough dude.
I heard Jamie was discussing "digital narcissism" at/around 19:30 (my specialty!), but the subtitles have auto-transcribed him in multiple points as saying "digital Gnosticism", which also fits the context. Funny enough, I never before noticed the Joycean similarity in the spoken forms of each word. I'd just like to reiterate here that integral perception of one's world necessitates re-reaching an awareness of the material reality which we've departed in our maelstrom of mediated content. As McLuhan said, television is an acid trip already. Whereas ancient cultures lamented mere materialism as base, we've already fallen below even that into a pseudo soul-flight as a normative condition. I'll be interviewing some top-notch thinkers in this field in the oncoming months. Thanks, Rebel Wisdom and Jamie for the insightful discussions!
Great content. Constructive technical criticism: run a compressor on the audio. It will help lessen the sudden volume peaks
@Noah Cebuliak?
tl:dr; hipsters ruin everything
I was LITERALLY about to write a tl;dr hipster comment 😂
Exactly!
@@ryan.1990 wot's tl;dr - or is it tl:dr - or does it matter??
@@avv397 hey it stands for "too long; didn't read"
@@ryan.1990 t y v m
He's not wrong. He is also spotlighting the worst of what's happening right now and things that the psychedelic culture, in general, is already talking about (especially in so far as integration).
The price for psychedelic treatment is outrageous! How can it cost so much? I mean one trip of LSD or Ketamine costs under 20 dollars. And how much can the facilitator actually help during the trip? Sure, he could ask the right questions for a meaningful experience, but couldn't you as an individual try this with a friend who asks the same questions and is there for support? IMO psychedelics puts a lot more responsibility on the patient compared to regular pharmaceutical drugs, meaning that the most important part is that the patient is open to the experience, nobody can do that for you.
Check out Trip of Compassion.
@@loosenut23 saw the trailer, interesting!
Yes, yes and yes. Get a few very trusted friends, make a intentional pact to work on your shit and help each other, take a responsible dose and go somewhere safe. Best $20 you'll ever spend.
Thank you for this. I needed to be reminded to get to the hard work of integration and not continue to go back to the well.
THANK YOU!!!!
Having just spent 3 years living in Peru dealing with exactly these issues... ❤️🙏🏽💚🌿💜🍄
The massive use of antibiotics in industrial animal farming is the cause of superbacteria existence rather than over-prescribing antibiotics to humans (this too is not good either however).
I have friends that micro-dose and work in so called creative jobs. They are neither faster nor more creative, simply more eaily satisfied with their work.
Anytime we begin to awaken and see the truth, the first emotion that we deal with is disturbance and imbalance.
It happens to all of us on the spiritual journey.
Don't stay in that disturbed state for too long though. See the truth then change your vibration.
Jamie has a very sobering view. It actually resonates with what Alan Watts said in The Future of Ecstasy! Thanks for sharing this conversation!
the problem exists with mainline prescription drugs already - there is no good psychiatric support prescribed along with the drug, so the user ends up making up a fantasy and spiraling into basic addiction. I can see any cannabis or psychoactive drugs going exactly the same way as the US
opioid epidemic: doctors aren't trained in the ways they should be and there's virtually no way to get through licencing to change anything about it.
personally i think people just want to get high. i don't see any real way taking a pill and having a spirit journey actually has anything to do with changing anybody at all, psychiatry and psychotherapy is still the best and most efficient means for those prepared to actually want to change. See: Wilhelm Reich.
@@mypal3561 Psychiatry and Psychology are just masonic totalitarian, part of the Five Ps. All bs. Reductionist science, materialism. The vast majority of those practicing have no clue that likes of Reich exist, they have not even figured out Freud or Jung, ffs. Or RD Laign. Or Grof. etc etc.
If you want to use magic potions for figuring things out about reality, the best way is to do them on your own, in as natural and away from society place as you get to.
Here's the thing, though. For those of us with certain brain chemistries, and possibly everyone, microdosing every month or more is a key to happiness. I could not agree more that people are building up their ego walls with these allies, and I love your analogy about antibiotics. But aya was so helpful to me , for years, each time I got something , even something seemingly small -- like, the realization that I habitually clench my toes, which I then rigorously corrected every 10 seconds until it became, as you say, muscle memory -- but small things can be big. After a while I stopped having useful effects and I hung up the phone. But if traumas accumulate, regular micro dosing combined with trance techniques saves my nervous system.
Very knowledgeable source on this topic. Waking up needs to work hand in hand with growing up. After your awakening, develop the self discipline to integrate and connect with deep flow without the crutch. Brain chemicals are not enough, finally. We need to get out of the body once in awhile. Check out the Monroe Institute.
Perfect analysis of our time. No escape routes available! We all row "TOGETHER" out of our ego trips or be doomed. There is no "HOW" but facing all adversities of existence in the silence of nature to feel connected to all.
Excited for a new Rebel Wisdom!!
Well, what the hell did you think was gonna happen?
Probably one of your most relevant and realistic guests when asking the question, "where are we now?" Or perhaps, I just find myself agreeing with almost every one of his clearly deliberated responses.
One of the criticisms most leveled at the Hermetics, from which we get the expression "hermetically sealed" and also the meaning of the word "occult" as in hidden from view, is the traditional lack of availability of the "hidden" knowledge from the general populace. This has been a constant as far back as we would like to go in known civilization, and a source of irritation, prejudice, hatred, even burning at the stake.
Jamie Wheal from beginning to end has here made the practical case for that secrecy. I love his turn of phrase and use of metaphor and analogy, despite his bleak report. There is one point where I think he makes a common error, common to our time of hubris. He says we have more access to transformative technologies than any other time in human history. I doubt that. It is certainly not proven.
In fact, what our universalizing of communication technology has done is simply accelerated and magnified the reasons for the hiding of the knowledge in the first place. It is true that the human race as a whole will never rise above the current state without the benefit of the tools that Jamie Wheal is discussing, but clearly, the universalization in practice defeats the purpose. That is just a practical function of the problem that the technologies are attempting to address. A feedback loop as it were.
Time to return to the drawing board and rethink the method and perhaps even the goal itself, or at the very least, the practical timeline.
Yes, the hubris. People get caught up in the faked narrative, phoney storyarc of pretend human evolution. History is a load of, they don't really know how to date things geologically or with radiocarbon. All evidence points to 'the past' (if it even really was or is the past, also not proven at all) having way better buildings and more awareness of the whole beingness of a human etc, not just the lower-chakra and materialist reduction-science way these societies see things by. Only reason I mention the buildings is simply because, without even going back to megalithic 'times', we have loads of examples of buildings that were done without any powered machinery being used, yet with all their amount of tech today, they can't build in those ways.
Enjoyed that; nice analogies with the metronome, tuning fork training wheels. Couldn't help but relate what Jamie is saying about psychedelic technologies to what John Vervaeke is saying about developing new psychotechnologies and extracting the most relevant aspects of past psychotech ; and also to Jordan Hall's ideas on collective intelligence. Could a new psychotech emerge that specifically optimises around a collective intelligence, that balances both the needs of the individual with those of the collective?
You mean Jordan Greenhall?
@@biocykle There is a story I don't quite understand but he is currently going by Hall, not Greenhall medium.com/deep-code
Jamie Wheal talks a lot but doesn't mention LSD once. Kind of strange considering this is labelled 'Is the Psychedelic Renaissance doomed?'. Some good points at the end though.
P.s just checked the intro video for the flow genome project and for me it was way too slick and corporate to be taken seriously.
There's a sucker born every minute etc etc
Jamie Wheal is always so intense, dude gives me anxiety. #becauseScience
This could use some Bonzo Dog Band music or something in the background for lubrication.
Was he tired or wired?
It was an interesting interview either way. Good work.
"going to the waterfall with thimbles" ... love it, metaphor of the year
He’s a great talker! Content-rich and practiced with plenty to say.
this guy would come across as a lot smarter if he wasn't trying so hard to sound smart
That is _so_ right. He is not in the same league as the other thinkers often featured on RW, and his manner suggests that he knows this.
@@timburdsey haha. mate RW just released another vid with him on a topic i'm super interested in and i had to switch off after 15 seconds cos of his manner. kinda creepy
@@Dropthebeatonit someone needs to explain to him that one demonstrates erudition by making complex things simple and intelligible, rather than by making simple things complicated.
@@timburdsey yes well said. a lot of people seem to love what he says, maybe it's just us? maybe we're too dumb hmmmm
Great interview. Jamie knows about as much about the psychedelic renaissance as Michael Pollan.
All I can say is wow. Already have a hold on his book.
Spot on observations, concerns, and articulations. However, I remain distant from the overall utilitarian framing of the conversation. Because of the density and complexity of the topic I suspect there might be misplaced concreteness working here. These problems of human development, virtue, eudamia, politics, are not new. I think the questions asked in this interview are generally well placed and yet I am left feeling discontent because there might be a broader framework of contextualizing the upsets our brother here experiences. I apologize for not saying that larger predatory capitalist machinations in part contribute to the need for a clarion call (although most schools of transformation like anything else degrade and become corrupt...), yet, economic and structural dynamics are involved here as well. This is not your mother's materialism.
just an observation - is this dude on something? his body language and fast speech, constant sniffing and eyes popping out.. anyway he sure talks a lot but not that much is being said. he seems to pass quite a lot of judgement and constantly jumps to different stuff.. weird ramble.
Psychedelics at odds with the generalization of corporate products and the pitfalls of our psyches.
I find it incredibly hard to judge psychedelics utility without trying them myself.
I worry the experience will have such a margin of difference in mind worth, that it will compromise my decision-making process to reach it again.
So I play it safe and remain treading water in a known discomfort. It does feel I'm missing something but it's just hard to assess risk
eward when so little is known.
No need to overthink it, just give it a try. Then try it again. Don't expect it to fix you, but do expect insight.
@@Captain_MonsterFart My mild dyspraxia carries a greater risk of me doing new things wrong, so I have played very much to the rules all my life.
Maybe if I find trusted environment\people I will take some, but I won't seek it solo, as the illegality is a barrier I want to be able to not feel I've broken... and these retreats I don't trust enough either.
I currently find insight via a lot of patience, yet the answers I glean feel too mechanical. I hope this chemically induced insight would have a different flavour for more dynamic situations. I don't know if it'll work but it will be another tool in the toolkit if I do end up taking them.
I believe Jamie has is a bit backwards in that first one must gain the skill of being in the flow through rigorous practice using traditional methods that slowly train the mind and only then could one hope to enhance that state with psychedelics. Cheating just doesn’t pay.
Broken brains need even thicker ego shells. At least in my experience the slow road pays better. Set & setting, inside and out...
If you want to know more about Jamie Wheal and what he thinks, he has tons of great live streams going back 2-3 years here:
facebook.com/pg/Flowgenome/videos/
90% vocal fry
Yeah had to turn this one off, his lazy vocals were too much too handle
@@freyaastrella what do you mean lazy vocals
Suggested a week later in a world where Psilocybin containing mushrooms are now legal in Denver Colorado.
They're still not legal. They are just set to the lowest possible priority. Which sounds like a very sensible progression anyway.
“Good Fazzm is rare.”-Art Kleps
This was very interesting once I concentrated hard enough to follow it. The bit towards the end about taking the experience forward into daily life , yes, agreed. I think you need to know what the psychedelic experience is all about, which you can only really get to grips with by doing it, or if you are lucky, randomly having one, to be able to see from that perspective. I remember the first time I tripped and after/during, I kept thinking there was something familiar about it - then I realised it was like being a baby - everything was new, I didn’t know what anything was...it took me all evening to work out that a photo on the mantelpiece was of a motorbike but it had been placed there upside down!
I had a similar experience. I spent hours trying to understand hair. I described it as being an alien visiting earth in a body I snatched. Never associated it being a baby though that make just as much sense. None of it felt familiar. What I was surprised by is how none of it cause apprehension which should have been there one would think.
@@Mistersamweller there is some evidence to suggest that that state is typical in babies they are in a psycadellic like state . There is a nuroscientist online that I heard talk about it his name is dr James Cooke or cook .
That’s heavy, but beautiful advice. Thanks Jamie!
clinics or spas could be good for beginners or the elderly maybe. I'd never trip at one tho, prefer to trip solo or w close friends not strangers in unfamiliar environment
why does the flag on the wall say "daniel schamtenberger?"
Wheal needs to rethink all of his premises and assumptions.
Why?
@@SelfImageStylist In a hopeless attempt to get it right. Or: why not?
@@jamesgreen5779 are you having a conflict of premises and assumptions?
@@SelfImageStylist Yes! Isn't it wonderful? I am really quite ill...
😂
Psychedelics are just roadmaps to change and enlightment. We have to walk the walk. And once in a while look at the map.
But a lot of people don't know how to read those maps. And don't really know what they are and what they're for.
Healing is a process, not an event
This is an absolutely fantastic dialogue
Peace through music 🎶
Ketamine is an incredible drug. But it’s not the drug you want to be giving to a normy who hasn’t had any other kind of psychedelic experience before. You may as well say sit back, here’s what hell can feel like.
True. My first psychedelic experience, extremely disturbing. Very hellish. Ultimately glad I did it, however.
Thank you
This might explain why I'm really not impressed with the Health-Canada supported (and regulated) Cannabis Clinic ....
What sort of clinic is it? First I've heard of this. I've had my own self guided awakening with edible cannabis.
@@tdottim : Ask your family doctor. That's the real name: Canadian Cannabis Clinic. In Ontario, it's covered under OHIP when referred to by a family doctor.
@@robintropper660 interesting. Thanks. I have my doctor looking into psychadelic therapy for me...but neither of us were aware of that clinic. At this point I've gotten better results on my own than I could have imagined...so not something I really need at this point...unless they help with integration, which I'm attempting to use CBT to do.
@@robintropper660 It's a typically vague government website, but it does appear to be strictly medical use as far as I can tell.
Wow!!! Jamie knows almost as much about the Psychedelic Reaissance as Michael Pollan...
And Zeus smiles sadly at the prevarication. The vulture swoops low to devour Jamie's liver for eternity. You, Jamie, brought this on yourself and us all. Privilege breeds hubris...
that seems a poetic but slightly strange comment Paul?
the real@@jamierwhealunderstands it perfectly?
the horseman of Psilocybin, far we have come. Imagine in 1920 someone talking what if that car thing grows really big, we will have crowed roads and thousands of injuries in car accidents and all this air pollution.......if I get Psilocybin by my local doctor I am very willig to accept all risks with a smile
"Don't just enjoy the experience - do the work to integrate it, too." would've been good to state at the start, so that people could get his point inside three quarters of an hour.
This chap seems to spread each rather obvious, peripherally related point through a thousand words. This is largely a conversation of why big pharma is doomed, and how narcissism exists in society, shock! He rambles so much, it's like trying to listen to me! He's just pointing out obvious problems most people see imo, I come away searching for what he's getting at that isn't self evident. Concise and to the point he is not. I'm convinced he gets things I don't, but Its hard work extracting it from his meandering ramble. Third time I've watched this interview! It might help if he stringed together fewer phrases he's invented at once. It sounds like he's linking many connected subjects together in his mind and trying to verbalise them all, over being coherent.
No idea how many people use psychedelics regularly, especially since many lose their effect that way. I've used more than the vast majority of people, which is to say almost never. The value of the experience to me has been immeasurable.
This guy is obviously very unhealthy.
Not if we put it in the water supply.
I know three people who have taken DMT and they are all NUTS.
Jim Carey is one of the three.
They can appear healthy then say suddenly something completely NUTS that gives them away.
I'm steering clear of the stuff (maybe when I near death I will take it for fun)
Who thinks we were getting Woodstock? Anyone?
I would say that Jamie is over optimistic about the situation
Personal experience matters, and this commentary is so egotistical - he believes that his way is the only right way. Everyone starts somewhere and it's not only because of social media - literally all of human existence is exploration and taking risks -there's nothing new here. Also in terms of reducing a substance to the only necessary effect does not mean everyone will have to take the same. Variety is good, there is something for everyone.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that we didn't create super flu and other viruses via antibiotics. (MRSA, etc is another matter, of course.)
he may not have known what he was talking about on that one. BUT, it is true that there are interactions that do occur between bacteria and viruses in the gut, ie kill some bacteria with antibiotics and you may have viruses running wild. Disrupting the ecosystem disrupts the ecosystem.
The thinking on that is, over sterilisation, routine antibiotics (as used in farming also), leads to the diseases becoming more resilient to the chemicals being used on them. In actual experience, if you ever need an antibiotic then you don't need to take it to extent the prescription says, usually only a couple of days, gets rid of the infection, then your bodies immune system can take over. And yes they kill all the good gut bacteria also, so that takes time to return. Best not taking them. Best using natural anti-virals (garlic?) and anti-biotics and sterilisers (like alcohol or vinegar etc).
Clinical environments, hospital environments, are artificial, so they are perfect breeding grounds for the worst kinds of diseases etc. Roads and pavement world is another perfect breeding ground for worst diseases....landfill sites, reduction of nature, urban anything, stupid wasteful polluting sewer system instead of on-site waste composting, etc etc. These types of societies are perfect breeding grounds for diseases, everything they do is out of harmony with health and nature, spiritually corrupt.
I'm also concerned about commodification, super-ego re-skinning post ego dissolution, and the broader effects of digital cynicism etc. but, me-thinks he doth protest too much. What I see on the horizon is still far less clear. What I actually see in my life are people retreating to progressively more and more quiet spaces out of necessity in their 30's. The digital facade on social media is also tracing an asymptotic arc. How many times does the rat hit the digital dopamine bump button with no effects before it moves on to cleaning it's nether-regions followed by the inevitable thousand yard stare into the blandest corner of the proverbial laboratory. Maybe I'm cynical as well but I'm hoping the lab-rat will turn that thousand-yard stare into a proper concentration/meditation technique. The young and the old (paradoxically) are the most ideologically possessed and their possession is potentiated by the digital medium. The young swim in those repugnant waters whilst the oid drown desperate for something to hold on to. It's hard to say which is worse.
So much to think about in this comment. Thanks.
Still, it’s no wonder Wheal is disillusioned after dedicating so much of his life to this stuff... I sincerely hope the people being born today will see right through the madness of 2010’s narcissism, including addiction to social media, the whole shitshow... and all this will go down in history as a gigantic cringe.
Hippies are still around. Phycadelics are not common which is sad but they are underground they are also not good for the powers to be in this world. Junkies and tweakers are much more profitable and controllable.
some guy waffleing on, i domnt know ,im more worried about over intellectualization
Facilitators.......isn't that just a version of what a sitter was / is? Though from the sounds of some of the comments, there's a bunch of them from those fake new agey camps just programing people, rather than what sitters did. The main point of a sitter was to have someone else there who knows what tripping is like, but who isn't actually tripping, so they stay sober and you get to go off on one, and they make sure to sort out any mundane reality stuff. Personally I'd say it works better if you just do it yourself, cause otherwise you are obviously going to have the experience coloured by the fact someone else is present. Ideally you need to do these things away from others, bearing in mind your aura extends fairly far out, so even in some detached villas it's going to be overlapping into other peoples houses. Ideally you should be away in nature and as far as you can get from anything artificial. The old set & setting.
executive summary anyone plz?
Maybe
@@RebelWisdom Thanks
wtf... well, this is an eye-opener...
Who fuck is this guy...fascinating.
Woooooh. Thank you.
Yup.
I didn't want to hear anymore negative reporting on psychedelics. I was hoping for some good news. But I stuck with it and it was worth it. But it's not new. There's nothing new about bullshit and snake oil. I took plenty of acid in the late 60's and it fucked me up. But that was my fault. Leary was the big seller then, the big advocate of acid. Huxley, had a more reasonable approach. He wanted to filter it out slowly. Firstly giving it to the so-called intelligentsia (whoever the fuck they were) and then flowing it out. Anyway, looking back I got my taste of 'real reality' when I walked past a bus stop at 8am in the morning and saw zombies, tired looking, miserable souls going to work for nine-hours to a job they didn't want to be doing. That was after tripping in my bedroom all night. Ha! did that fuck me up or what? I was exposed to the horror of reality, but at 17 years of age I couldn't deal with it. That was 50 years ago. I'm just getting over it now :-) It's an ongoing, ongoing, ongoing job. Read 'Storming Heaven' Jay Stevens.
That is what drives me nuts (not really: ) ) about people like Rogan, who think it's some sort of solution to the problems the world is facing. You guys thought the same thing, and Pds were touted as "the answer", only to leave an entire generation morally, physically and spiritually hollowed out. It has its place and I think many people would benefit from it, but it isn't "The" answer.
But that is because - you didn't already realise most peoples lives are zombie. I presume anyway going by your post. I realised that right away like when I was 4 etc, if you don't already know this is all wrong this type of human society, and that the key to why it's wrong is how and why it's not in harmony with the ecosystems etc, (and what those actually are and connect to, the real miracle magical reality) then yes it'd be a terrible experience to realise that while your chakras are blasted open on psychedelics..
@@wib6044 The reason the 60s failed to change things entirely back to normal, is cause they went along with lies that Earth is a sphere and outer space is as scientism claims, and they thought the bible was fake. Start with that to understand why it failed, it played into satans hands unknowingly. Also the use of synthesised chemicals is always going to tar the energy with artificialness, no matter how positive the experience feels. It's going to send your mind into thinking about solutions that go along with scientism, and not to see the folly of materialism and reductionist science etc - even if you know about things like chi, and auras, and chakras, and the real deal stuff, this can still happen to you. Don't hate the tech, hate the reasons they made it for what they did - cause you are not meant to need external tech for anything at all. The tech is just the Earth changed into other stuff, it's still the Earth in there and you can still communicate with the Earth via it. Ask metals what they think about their being mined and bombed and processed..
All the best psychedelics in the world pit together will do no or less than no good unless the experiences are properly integrated and they fit into an even bigger overall life picture so to speak. All or at least most of the people that Wheal speaks of in this video are woefully lacking in reference experiences and relevant theory. The good news however is that if that is remedied, much of this will be solved over time. Easier said than done of course, especially when it comes to venture capitalists and such.
29:31 Bless you x
Good topic
why would you want Woodstock!!??
Soma
there is always a psychedelic renaisance, well there was inthe 80s 90s and 2000s
He is unaware of the shift in consciousness taking place.
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White people, in rich societies, are crazy.
We have driven ourselves to the point where we create problems, so we can spend energy in solving them and this guy seems very occupied in it. It's a hobby. It's like the passion of the whites. Western society, what ever you wanna call it. The overprivileged.
I also think this guy is seriously pissimistic.
The world will turn how the world will turn. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with one's "ego" in itself. Its a part of the human experience, its what helps us to assess the more practical survival problematics that arise now and then when you are alive and living.
There is always a balance to be found. And it certainly don't need to cost 9000 dollars.. Wtf.
But what do I know
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Wa wa , people won’t use it right. This dude would be a great fit in the nanny state.
Bit cynical.
Bit realistic.
20:15 - While I think his critique here is quite useful this part's bothering me a little bit for this reason, isn't 'collecting stuff' what women do? Men hunt, women gather, and 'digital narcissism' seems like a gathering impulse. This just seems like game theory playing itself out in the world of art and psychedelia accelerated by social media.
Gender roles, in original societies, are those same societies, in which the shaman or witch doctor takes the magic potions, to cure any problems. Sometimes the patients also take them, but not always. It's just a generalised thing based on the physical practicalities, eg if you are menstruating then the animals will smell you, women way be weaning also. Most people don't live in that anymore. More people in these societies - likely by way of being separated from nature - seek existence beyond the (modern version of) hunter-gatherer life. So witch doctor taking magic potions, helps them see for example, the actual truth of what is causing an illness - where in timespace did its inception point come from, what triggered it, how it is attached to the persons body, etc. This, actual reality - how reality actually is, what really causes what, all the energy connections between everything - is what a true seeker of 'enlightenment' is looking to be able to see.
The whole concept of psychedelic Renaissance is very unclear, moreover its relation to narcissism. The original intentions of the people in thw 60s or 70s when doing psychedelics were even more naive and misinformed than today, the cimparison with the founding fathers makes no sense at all.
I agree that there must be far more responsibility in messing with your brain, in general. The experiences you go through with certain drugs particularly the ones contained in plants and prepared with ancient recipes leave you with a really non narcissistic feeling.... Humans have lived with and consumed these compounds for thousands of years, one should ask those tribes and shamans for their opinion on whether there is such thing as a narcissistic psychedelic Renaissance, otherwise the point is missed no matter how smart ypu try to sound.
Yes, Jamie, human arrogance, susceptibility for delusion and fathomless greed is beyond imagination. This is not cynicism or negativity - this is the reality of humanity without God in the hearts.
And who gets to define what God is?
Why do you want to define God?
KatiForTruth i dont. Thats why I dont use the word. Sorry, its just that any time someone uses the word “God” my mind explodes with a million different interpretations. Its become such a charged word as to be completely meaningless when said by anyone other than myself, because I know what I mean when I say it, and any definition that I give risks creating more confusion than anything. That I suppose is the point I was trying to make here. Love and cookies my friend!
e1ementZero -fair enough..... for me something completely different comes to mind: the vast Mystery of Life, the unfathomable and eternal play of order and dissolution, the wish for alignment with this power because, in a mysterious way, it IS good......yes! Let us all ponder on truth-seeking friend! :o)
This is humanity with social media in their life... God had nothing to do with it. If you grow up in this shit and it's normal to you then of course you're going to become it. Social media has created a strange thing that we're just starting to understand.