Hi, I have no idea what the hell this is or what it does. Thanks algorithm lol. Here is what I do know. 1. You made this device for your own use. So you didn't want to buy whatever it does because a real one is expensive and/or yours works better. Fantastic, love the creativity and thought. So ignore your research and development time. You were not making this for a client and billable hours. This was just you. 2. When someone makes a thing they have two choices basically. Sell the idea or sell the completed item. If you fabricate these complete and sell them for x-amount, that of course is low enough to make it a value against existing "trusted" models, then fantastic. Hopefully you have some patent protecting your design. If you are not selling the actual product then you are selling a how to guide. so... Getting back to pricing. Your hours don't mean anything. I will think back to when I was younger and car places sold car repair guides. Now these guides might be $20. These guides probably had thousands of hours of work, photographs, drawings and diagrams etc in them. Can you imagine the guy who put it together saying, well, if I pay the workers $20 each then this book sells for $40,000 because that's my research time. Here's what you have to do first in this video. 1. Tell me what it is 2. Tell me why I can't live without it 3. Tell me where to get it 4. Tell me how much it is* * See how we get back to this. Now it is not your value for product, it is the consumers value for product. Let's say you invented the worlds greatest mechanical tool. It does everything an entire shops worth of tools does. It is just the coolest goddamn thing you've ever seen. You also want $5,000,000 for one of them because you know how great it is, and hell, we even know how great it is. But to the consumer what is the value to them? I don't have that much as an individual to spend on a tool lol Neither does pretty much any garage or machine shop out there So what is the value to them that makes them say, we can't live without it.
@@craigmurrayauthor hey and thanks algorithms 😉for showing this to you. Thank you for this information, I can understand this, that's why I only asked for 50 euros. If I were to do it as a metalworking company it would be close to 2000, but that's crazy of course. but this is my first time doing something like this. and I cannot find this information that you give me anywhere on the internet. I think I will use this from now on👍🏻
Hello Craig, My name is Kevin Hookham and I live in Southport, UK. I want to give a little context to what Dominic (he's the guy in 'Do Metal Stuff' - I think he's Dutch) has invented, mainly through reverse engineering a very expensive powered hand tool produced by the German-Swiss company 'Biax'. The machine produced by Biax is called a hand power scraper, and it dates back to the late 1930s. In the world of engineering 'scraping' is the process of making two mating surfaces, usually on an industrial machine such as a lathe or milling machine, mate together in such a way that each surface is perfectly flat. This is essential to maintain repeatable precision to tenths of a thousandth of an inch, and in metric measurements to a few microns (a micron is 1,000 thosandths of a milimetre). In context, 'flat' does not mean 'smooth'. Prior to Biax's invention, all machine surface scraping was literally done by hand, using hardened tool steel tipped scrapers (and in more modern times, carbide tipped). Obviously, this required highly skilled labour, it took hours and hours of physically hard work and constant testing. There are hundreds of You Tube videos showing old-school hand scraping. The problem with the Biax machines is that they are massively expensive. Current new prices are somewhere between £2,000-£3,000 and even worn out older examaples still command prices around £1,000 and are relatively rare, they don't come up for sale very often, so demand is high. Most hobby workshop engineers like me simply can't afford that level of purchase. For example, you could easily buy a working but well-used (worn out) lathe here in the UK for £1,000 or so, but when you consider the size and weight of a used lathe compared to a Biax hand held tool, the difference is obvious. Dominic has found a way of taking the main operating components from a Biax powered hand scraper and fixing them into an external frame which can then be bolted onto many older type hand-held drills (as he demonstrates in several videos). It's a beautifully simple concept at a fraction of the price of buying a new or even used Biax powered scraper. I suggest that most serious hobby machinists could creat the parts in their workshops which means his invention could be sold as a kit, or he could make money by selling the plans. Unfortunately, I suspect that he's going to get ripped off by Chinese entrepreneaurs (can't spell it!) unless he receives help quickly. As a home hobbyist, I'd love to own a Biax, but I just can't afford it. But boy, would I like to buy a kit and 'do it yourself'! It's the sort of idea that Hemingway Kits (a UK company) would certainly market. Dominic deserves some help. Maybe you're the man! Greetings from Southport Kevin.
Like Peter, I think 50 euros is a bit steep and you won't get many takers. Admittedly, I am not your target market, and I probably wouldn't buy a set of plans for 5 euros either, that's not my thing. My thinking is this: 99% of the vanishingly small number of people who get interested in scraping get uninterested in a real hurry when they realise what a total pain in the arse it is to do, even with power tools. You won't get much in sales from them. 99% of what's left will either make do with a bodged up reciprocating saw or wait for a used biax to crop up. And 99% of what's left after that will need something in a hurry, so they'll go out and buy or hire a real biax to get the job done, or ship it out to someone who does scraping for a living (they still exist). which leaves you with a very small number of people who are going to be interested in making their own tool that does what a biax does. And most of them won't actually get around to finishing the project, look at the number of people who start building gingery lathes... 50 euros is a pretty big chunk of cash when a working used biax will occasionally come up for under 200 euros. Personally, if I had the need for one, I'd sit around and wait for one to crop up rather than shelling out 50 euros and then having to build my own. I might be wrong, of course. Model engine kits sell for (what seems to me) silly money, and even model engine plans are not /cheap/ cheap (often above 50 euros). So is 50 too much to ask for what is, after all, a very cool project to build? I dunno.
thanks for your answer. half a book lol. Here in the Netherlands you will not find a biax for 500 euros, I don't know what it is like outside the Netherlands. I have also seen those model engines, yes I also thought they were quite expensive. but I'll take your answer with me
@@petersilva4242 okay is it too much? or too little? I think it is a reasonable price. if you consider that here in the Netherlands they charge between 60 and 100 euros per hour. I put 40 hours of R&D into it. let me take half of that for the drawings 20x 60 = 1200 if this were done through a company. but tell me what you would do then?
@@DoMetalStuff yeh I understand from your point of view charging for your time but you could sell 500 set of plans at €2 or 10 plans @€50. I was expecting them to be free just from other channels I follow share plans all the time and don't charge, but that's my mistake. Anyway, good on ya for getting it done👍 that price is just too high for me,but I'm poor. Hope you sell heaps
@@petersilva4242 thank you for your honest answer.👍🏻 I'll wait for more responses and make a decision accordingly. and I'll be honest this is all new to me too.😉 I hope you're not upset about it and have some patience before I can do the analysis👍🏻
Hi, I have no idea what the hell this is or what it does. Thanks algorithm lol. Here is what I do know.
1. You made this device for your own use.
So you didn't want to buy whatever it does because a real one is expensive and/or yours works better. Fantastic, love the creativity and thought. So ignore your research and development time. You were not making this for a client and billable hours. This was just you.
2. When someone makes a thing they have two choices basically. Sell the idea or sell the completed item.
If you fabricate these complete and sell them for x-amount, that of course is low enough to make it a value against existing "trusted" models, then fantastic. Hopefully you have some patent protecting your design. If you are not selling the actual product then you are selling a how to guide.
so...
Getting back to pricing.
Your hours don't mean anything. I will think back to when I was younger and car places sold car repair guides. Now these guides might be $20. These guides probably had thousands of hours of work, photographs, drawings and diagrams etc in them. Can you imagine the guy who put it together saying, well, if I pay the workers $20 each then this book sells for $40,000 because that's my research time.
Here's what you have to do first in this video.
1. Tell me what it is
2. Tell me why I can't live without it
3. Tell me where to get it
4. Tell me how much it is*
* See how we get back to this. Now it is not your value for product, it is the consumers value for product. Let's say you invented the worlds greatest mechanical tool. It does everything an entire shops worth of tools does. It is just the coolest goddamn thing you've ever seen. You also want $5,000,000 for one of them because you know how great it is, and hell, we even know how great it is.
But to the consumer what is the value to them?
I don't have that much as an individual to spend on a tool lol
Neither does pretty much any garage or machine shop out there
So what is the value to them that makes them say, we can't live without it.
@@craigmurrayauthor hey and thanks algorithms 😉for showing this to you. Thank you for this information, I can understand this, that's why I only asked for 50 euros. If I were to do it as a metalworking company it would be close to 2000, but that's crazy of course. but this is my first time doing something like this. and I cannot find this information that you give me anywhere on the internet. I think I will use this from now on👍🏻
Hello Craig, My name is Kevin Hookham and I live in Southport, UK. I want to give a little context to what Dominic (he's the guy in 'Do Metal Stuff' - I think he's Dutch) has invented, mainly through reverse engineering a very expensive powered hand tool produced by the German-Swiss company 'Biax'.
The machine produced by Biax is called a hand power scraper, and it dates back to the late 1930s. In the world of engineering 'scraping' is the process of making two mating surfaces, usually on an industrial machine such as a lathe or milling machine, mate together in such a way that each surface is perfectly flat. This is essential to maintain repeatable precision to tenths of a thousandth of an inch, and in metric measurements to a few microns (a micron is 1,000 thosandths of a milimetre). In context, 'flat' does not mean 'smooth'. Prior to Biax's invention, all machine surface scraping was literally done by hand, using hardened tool steel tipped scrapers (and in more modern times, carbide tipped). Obviously, this required highly skilled labour, it took hours and hours of physically hard work and constant testing. There are hundreds of You Tube videos showing old-school hand scraping.
The problem with the Biax machines is that they are massively expensive. Current new prices are somewhere between £2,000-£3,000 and even worn out older examaples still command prices around £1,000 and are relatively rare, they don't come up for sale very often, so demand is high. Most hobby workshop engineers like me simply can't afford that level of purchase. For example, you could easily buy a working but well-used (worn out) lathe here in the UK for £1,000 or so, but when you consider the size and weight of a used lathe compared to a Biax hand held tool, the difference is obvious.
Dominic has found a way of taking the main operating components from a Biax powered hand scraper and fixing them into an external frame which can then be bolted onto many older type hand-held drills (as he demonstrates in several videos). It's a beautifully simple concept at a fraction of the price of buying a new or even used Biax powered scraper. I suggest that most serious hobby machinists could creat the parts in their workshops which means his invention could be sold as a kit, or he could make money by selling the plans. Unfortunately, I suspect that he's going to get ripped off by Chinese entrepreneaurs (can't spell it!) unless he receives help quickly.
As a home hobbyist, I'd love to own a Biax, but I just can't afford it. But boy, would I like to buy a kit and 'do it yourself'! It's the sort of idea that Hemingway Kits (a UK company) would certainly market.
Dominic deserves some help. Maybe you're the man!
Greetings from Southport
Kevin.
Would a receipting saw not have worked easer
@@KevinPhelann-gc1tu By always choosing the easiest way, my one brain cell, which also only works half of the time, never gets smarter.😅
Like Peter, I think 50 euros is a bit steep and you won't get many takers. Admittedly, I am not your target market, and I probably wouldn't buy a set of plans for 5 euros either, that's not my thing.
My thinking is this: 99% of the vanishingly small number of people who get interested in scraping get uninterested in a real hurry when they realise what a total pain in the arse it is to do, even with power tools. You won't get much in sales from them. 99% of what's left will either make do with a bodged up reciprocating saw or wait for a used biax to crop up. And 99% of what's left after that will need something in a hurry, so they'll go out and buy or hire a real biax to get the job done, or ship it out to someone who does scraping for a living (they still exist). which leaves you with a very small number of people who are going to be interested in making their own tool that does what a biax does. And most of them won't actually get around to finishing the project, look at the number of people who start building gingery lathes...
50 euros is a pretty big chunk of cash when a working used biax will occasionally come up for under 200 euros. Personally, if I had the need for one, I'd sit around and wait for one to crop up rather than shelling out 50 euros and then having to build my own.
I might be wrong, of course. Model engine kits sell for (what seems to me) silly money, and even model engine plans are not /cheap/ cheap (often above 50 euros). So is 50 too much to ask for what is, after all, a very cool project to build? I dunno.
thanks for your answer. half a book lol. Here in the Netherlands you will not find a biax for 500 euros, I don't know what it is like outside the Netherlands. I have also seen those model engines, yes I also thought they were quite expensive. but I'll take your answer with me
50 euros for plans. wasnt expecting that
@@petersilva4242 okay is it too much? or too little? I think it is a reasonable price. if you consider that here in the Netherlands they charge between 60 and 100 euros per hour. I put 40 hours of R&D into it. let me take half of that for the drawings 20x 60 = 1200 if this were done through a company. but tell me what you would do then?
@@DoMetalStuff yeh I understand from your point of view charging for your time but you could sell 500 set of plans at €2 or 10 plans @€50. I was expecting them to be free just from other channels I follow share plans all the time and don't charge, but that's my mistake. Anyway, good on ya for getting it done👍 that price is just too high for me,but I'm poor. Hope you sell heaps
@@petersilva4242 thank you for your honest answer.👍🏻 I'll wait for more responses and make a decision accordingly. and I'll be honest this is all new to me too.😉 I hope you're not upset about it and have some patience before I can do the analysis👍🏻
@@DoMetalStuff all good
@@DoMetalStuffit’s easier lower a price than raise it for an existing product. Wait a while and see what sales are.