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you can say that. Thanks bud 👍🏻

That is the camera angle and the light from outside that is very reflective. I am not yet completely convinced that I have a better technique. I do notice a difference in hardness between the material

That's right, I should have done that. and there will be another part when I have time. and worked it out in CAD so that I won't be surprised again.

was still practicing here, I think I was at it for 8 hours. the material I am scraping now is much tougher (videos are still to come. too much to do, too little time.) thanks for all the messages, gives me energy again👍🏻👍🏻

I also bought that diamond disc.😉 work nicely indeed

tried it with slideway oil. when I convert it, but it starts to stick after standing still for a while. so I don't know what I should use then. It is very annoying when the HSS tool lands in the middle of the workpiece. and what you describe in terms of tool sounds interesting👍🏻

@@jamesreed6121 you could try with a dti . See what happens when you work on a piece of metal. once you have unscrewed that threaded part. If the table still moves then you may have some play there too. but as in my video, that connection is important. it should slide but still keep the table parallel

the shaper did a nice job. and I am still scraping that piece by hand

@@cyclebuster this was my 4th time using it. the only thing that happened is that the closing mechanism vibrated loose. by the impact of the keyway

it certainly was tom

@@Rustinox for sure. The lathe needs power. I coffee

You can, but this surface is planed on the shaper

@@DoMetalStuff use cast iron: will make your life much much easier. Later when you've master it you can try steel

@@therealspixycat this stuf is cast

That's right, I now have one with a larger radius about R 100/120

@@TheDistur thank you👍🏻

@@hilltopmachineworks2131 yes it does. and pretty good in my opinion

@@user-qg9rr5fe8s they are coming.👍🏻

@@petrichor649 you mean hand scraping? that is to make a flat guideway. it's not exactly as smooth as you may have seen. but if you look at the high points (blue) those are the contact points. the lower valleys are where the oil can lie. allowing better lubrication. hope this answers your question😉

@@DoMetalStuff it does and it appears quite difficult. Thanks man

@@petrichor649 Hand scraping itself is not difficult. understanding what you see with blueing is. and it must also be of equal height over both guideways. That's why I'm practicing on this part first and will start on my shaper later this year

@@user-qg9rr5fe8s nice to read👍🏻. hope you can learn something from it😉. and have fun with your scraping project

@@DoMetalStuff My new shaper is an Australian made Douglas 10.5" shaper. I am currently making a new die block, sleeve and bolt to stop rattling. Then I will start the measurements, which will take me to scraping. I am a new'ish machinist, so my progress is slow as.

@@user-qg9rr5fe8s That's nice, another shaper that will last for years to come. Hand scraping is also new to me and I do this slowly. You have to learn to walk before you can run. (was often said to me) when I started with a CNC lathe. Tip: If you are going to measure, make sure you have several DTIs so that you can see whether the values ​​are correct. If you see a difference, one of the DTIs is no longer good😉

@@bobvines00 Thank you for your response. I'll first have to figure out how I can normalize this material. big camp fire👍🏻🤣

@@jambusspeakermouse1325 hey thanks for your information. this material is s355 or s255. I thought that scraping by hand would not cause much stress because this operation does not release much heat. it's true what you say about hot rolled. but I could get this. I can find out how to release tension. and wooden handles is definitely a good idea. The biggest problem is my single stone wall in my shed and roof without insulation.

@@DoMetalStuff I would do the same thing, but then why not scrape the wider side too? It would give you the opportunity to also blue the way with it, and if you know it is straight in the longitudinal direction, it can help you dtermine wether you are doing a good job in the cross direction. As to the wooden handles: It's not to difficult, so just make them. I once made a small straight edge too, also made a wooden handle, I think from some oak, but if I snug up the screws which hold the handle, the straight edge warps, even so it only has two patches of contact maybe 20mm long. Well, the straight edge is similar to your size, it is cast iron 25mm by 60mm and has a 45° angle on one edge. It's not perfect, but it's better then no straight edge. If temperature really is a problem, we also would need to always keep the machines at 20° or else they will warp. I dont think we need to go for that sort of precision (at least I know I can't). I only bought my long straight edge a year ago or so, can't say how flat it really is, my surface plate is only 400/400mm, but I get consistent results if I turn it 180°, so I think it's not too bad. Still, I should test it on the diagonal of the surface plate, even if that's only about 580mm, if it's concave or convex I should find out.

@@etbuilds6006 wooden or plastic handles are coming. I first have to see if I can normalize this material. If that works, I will continue with it. and then I'm just going to do the narrow part. (15mm). When I do the wide part, the narrow part is immediately deformed.

@@etbuilds6006 hey, on the video it does seem to go fast, but it's not that bad. and that disc still needs to be straightened out a bit, it wobbles a little bit.

@@MarkATrombley hey mark. thanks for the confirmation. sometimes you have doubts when you start doing something new. at least I had👍🏻

I’m not really qualified to answer but I would scrape the the narrow sides and would not scrape the larger flats unless I need that side flat. Sometimes we can make improvements without doing things the very best way.

@@bobvines00 hey bob, thanks for your tips. and yes, maybe I could have shown some more materials. will try to remember👍🏻

@@hilltopmachineworks2131 thanks Tom. Hope so 🤣

@@jamesreed6121 that video is already done. you will probably be surprised. Have fun watching one of the next episodes

@@user-qg9rr5fe8s nice👍🏻, have fun with it. if you have any questions feel free to ask😉

​@@DoMetalStuff I like your channels focus on measuring the accuracy of your shaper and its restoration. I will be making similar measurements on my shaper. 😋 Great channel.​

@@user-qg9rr5fe8s thanks man. it does take time. but I hope the result is great at the end. and learn from my mistakes then you know how not to make them🤣

hey bob, i know i'm a bit absent-minded sometimes. so I went back to look at minute 22:00 and you can see that I am using my whetstone. and indeed I have to grind it flat again. but then you actually need a set of 2. I only have 1. maybe not quite the best. but for scraping practice. I can live with it. But thanks anyway, I'll put it on my to-order list right away

hey first thanks for this information. I could do that. but that will take a long time. and what do you use as an abrasive? I actually wanted to grind my ram flat this weekend. and use that as a reference. (that has some delay). That should be possible or am I looking at it wrong

@@DoMetalStuff you scrape in the plates

@@AlmostMachining which material is best. we don't have long pieces of cast iron. at my work.

@@DoMetalStuff steel is okay but hard to scrape. You are just wanting to make some straight edges to use. They dont have to be very long. Aluminum could be fastened to the steel then scrape in the aluminum but they tend to change with temperature and wear.

@@AlmostMachining we have enough of that lying around. but would it be better if a perpendicular back was welded on? or angle iron? the same stuff I made my table for the shaper from. or reduce it from 140x140 to 40x40 mm and 600 long

@@etbuilds6006 hey E.T. It takes some getting used to how to hold your scraper steel. and how hard should I press. I did realize that my scraper is a bit too long. and as far as subscribers are concerned, they will come automatically if you manage to touch their interest👍🏻just keep uploading

@@DoMetalStuff I really did not want to sound whining. I'm ok with 200+ views., Your scraper looks to be aprox. the length of mine, what did help me a lot was taking away about half of the shaft's strength to make it mor elastic. If I apply force, it bends a little bit.

@@etbuilds6006I made it a bit shorter and thinner. that works better. You didn't come across as whining.😉

@@therealspixycat what you saw in this video is cast iron. I don't remember the exact material number anymore. it was a round disk from which I also made the 2 small camel backs. I haven't scraped plain steel yet. I think it is a bit tougher and more sticky.

@DoMetalStuff it seems like you make more like stripes instead of moon shape scrapes. Test the material using a disk grinder and check the sparks?

@@therealspixycat if you want to get moon shape you have to use a different technique.

@@tuoppi42 You are right, the table is indeed too low. and my scraper handle is too long. I still have to change that.

@@sodium.carbide that's nice to read. Thank you👍🏻

@@Rustinox hey michel, yes really. I still can't believe it either. I am very happy with it. so everyone who reads this is welcome. and thank you again Michel

@@alasdairhamilton1574 hope not. It doesn't have to be very pretty for me, as long as it works reasonably well, I'm happy😅

@@bobvines00 hey bob this is a comment I hadn't thought about. thanks for this. 👍🏻and no, we don't use that paper. we oil everything. I can spray my wooden boxes with clear varnish. then moisture no longer comes out of the wood. and usually those boxes are in the house. there it is a bit better in terms of moisture.

@@bobvines00 That's right, you saw that correctly. but my setup is a bit off. it leaned towards the cutting direction. and even then I did indeed have a height difference. but it doesn't matter for the ratchet gear

@@bobvines00 hey bob. I do have something. but I don't believe what I have is the whole manual. rostinox sent me. from memory 8 pages. And tanks for the sub 👍🏻

thanks. I have to look back, I couldn't remember what I had done😅

How do you think I'm going to take my shaper to the scrapyard? I disagree. so please explain more than

@@DoMetalStuff I watched your videos on scraping, you have no idea what you are doing. My advice is to leave the shaper the way it is and practice on something else until you have some idea of what you are doing.

@@CastIronMachine Maybe you get the idea that I don't fully understand it. and that might well be the case. I'm practicing on a piece of cast iron. it is also a learning process for me. but I don't learn anything from your response. so please give some info.

@@DoMetalStuff I just did, you are not ready to scrape a machine, that is very useful information. You might get offended but it is the truth. Buy a proper scraper, it's not that expensive, buy a surface plate, buy a straight edge, practice on scrap cast iron, learn more. The information is available and you can learn it but don't hurry, this takes time and practice.

@@CastIronMachineI don't feel offended. but your first 2 responses don't help anyone anyway. I think it's a bit of a shame to buy a surface plate and a straight edge just for this project. those things are very expensive here in the Netherlands. is my flat ground piece of metal not good enough? but like I said, I'm still practicing and I'm not just starting with my shaper.

welcome, hope you enjoy yourself with my videos

Nice and welcome, there is already quite a lot to see and much more to come. hope you enjoy yourself with my videos👍

Same here.

nice en welkom, hoop dat je je vermaakt met mijn videos

Thats a good point, Rusty! How come you watching a video about "primitive" work, I thought you despise filing and scraping!? :)

By the way, I love your attitude and your videos too, looking forward to tomorrow!

hey michel. I didn't expect that to be original. and yes plastic swells. I knew that. that's why I thought it wasn't original. but thanks for your information.👍🏻

he always checks on me. he helped me a lot with the shaper.

Me to

@@hilltopmachineworks2131 No problem Tom. There must be someone who can do that... I hope so

@@DoMetalStuff I will reach out to Kyle.

I am open to any information. be my guest

One thing I noticed: I think the radius of your scraper blade is much to small. The cuts you are making are really tiny. I'm reaaly no expert in scraping, like you I learned by just doing it, afer watching RUclips-University (Keith Rucker and Richard King ...). That said, for roughing in, I use a radius of 40-60mm and quite heavy force, so I really take of some chips, not only dust. for finishing 30mm radius seems to work good, using a more elastic scraper shaft, which seems to reduce chatter. Cheers Erich

it's true the radius is quite small. the grinder at my work is not made for this job. but I can practice

@@therealspixycat so you're saying my straight edge is too short? can you explain more about that? I thought it would be possible, I cover more than 75% of my RAM surface

@DoMetalStuff yes: straight edge must cover at least the full length and secondly the straight edge must cover both surfaces (left and right) so you need a large surface plate for this. You need a surface plate to get both sides in one plane. Just image that it is one solid piece: it has to be perfectly flat to rub eventually back and forth without binding and without any play. Wat ik bedoel dat je in feite een grote rechthoek perfect in een rechthoekige opening moet zien te krijgen en dat die rechthoek zonder dat hij vast loopt omdat vlakken niet perfect parallel lopen of dat er speling ontstaat. Dit is behoorlijk behoorlijk lees bijzonder lastig. Ik hoop dat je het een beetje snapt

I think you are right here, to have a bigger surface as a reference would be ideal, BUT: I dont think he is aiming for perfect precision, he is just trying to improve his tool. That can be done even with measurement methods wich are far from ideal. If you hinge the straight edge on your part and you know the first half is flat, then move your straight edge half the legth of it and hinge it again, you can get your part pretty flat, not perfect, build what i consider good enough (if it's better than before. cheers!

@etbuilds6006 well that isto be seen: for the same token you make it worse because you don't and didn't fully understand the concept possibly destroying the shaper. Oke you gained a lot of experience but it is sad to possibly destroy a nice little shaper. O do have the exact same Ai machine

@@therealspixycat My ram is first ground flat, I have found someone. where I can do this. and I will also grind the round disc flat, but that will take another 2 weeks.

hi, that's nice to read. I will tell you. I managed to find more documents of different models and saw a number of videos. and mine is a bit of a copy of watch wes work. I thought the adjustable legs with the hard bushings were a great idea. For the rest I thought it out myself with the materials I could use: 20mm centerless ground round. were left over from an assignment. and of course the connecting pieces too. You can get by without drawings but with pictures😉

That's great, man. Have you found any disadvantages in the tool? I just want to make another part to hold my dti

@@DoMetalStuff I have used only my precision level up to now, will make a dti-holder too. As you ca see in my video, I made an adjustable platform for my level in 2 axes.

i reply add your video

thank you sir