I became a pathologist because I discovered I didn't have the patience, the stamina, or the personality to be a clinician, especially in OB/GYN. LOL :-)
Yeah I’m an intern & wanna start a pathology residency because of that. It’s an easy decision for me bc I just knew I hated patient interaction but loved having the knowledge! So to me pathology sounds like the perfect choice.
I’m graduating high school soon, I can’t wait to start a biochem undergrad program. being a clinical pathologist is my dream job, and watching your vids just motivates me even more (,:
I’m so jealous, I wish I could go back 10 years and redo my schooling career :’) I’m almost 29 and feel like I don’t have time to switch or follow my dreams
Unfortunately the path to medicine is stressful and long hours. But, I can suggest debt free ways: 1) There are a few medical schools that offer free tuition (ie. NYU) 2) You can go to the military path, but will need to repay in years of service (HPSP)
go to Europe for med school, entrance is usually easier if you do your research, usually it is much cheaper than the us. you can go to public schools in the UK or Ireland (competitive entrance) , or eastern European and even Italy offer English medical courses. you can also go hardcore , learn a local langauge, and study in Germany or Spain ( I have met expats studying medicine in these countries so yeah nothing is impossible or even difficult). life and studies in Europe are not a piece of cake but I feel have less of a ''RISE AND GRIND'' mentality compared to USA medical schools. also medical school is stressful, BUT ANY UNIVERSITY IS STRESSFUL, I wish someone told me this when I Was young instead of brainwashing me into thinking only type A geniuses go to med school, it is not true, I swear the parrots I studied with (including me) I wish someone told me that...
Have you ever heard of an older medical student being considered for pathology residency? I have read about many older medical students, but none have mentioned pathology? Thank you for all your content! Thank you!
I'm not sure what you mean by older. If you are 45 and is currently a MS4 applying to residency, you have the same changes as any other MS4. If you completed medical school 10 years ago, and is just applying to residency, then yes it significantly lower your changes.
I think it's seriously demanding to be responsible for human lives, it's no joke and mistakes happen no matter how much you don't want them to happen and this terrifies me the most I am really interested in neurosurgery but that's why i also think about Neuropathology...
I agree with you. Neuropathologist interact closely with the neurosurgeons, to the point, if a neuropathologist is not available, some neurosurgeons will reschedule their procedures
Thankyou for starting a residency vlog channel..I am a pathology postgraduate 3rd yr..in India we have this programme for 3yrs only..then we get MD Pathology degree..
@@jack-tm6em I think pathology is more difficult because of its extensive syllabus and advanement of molecular studies... working hour in pathology is reasonable average being 6 hrs...
No dumb questions. Residency is a job, but the pay isn't that great because we are technically still in training. For more information, please watch my video on residency salary (ruclips.net/video/qWQA_KmSjjE/видео.html).
I am new path resident in Spain and I Don't Know How to handle residency. I go at 8:00 am and I go back Home to 20:00 so tired that I have no energy to study. Every day I have meetings with my supervisors and I feel shamed due to not to be able to study what They say to me
Hi! I am so sorry this is happening to you. 14 hour everyday seems long even for a first year resident, and it is completely OK in my opinion to just go home and rest after such long days. It seems a little unreasonable for your supervisors to expect you to spend time reading textbooks when you work those hours. My best recommendation is to talk to your peers and see if others are also working such long hours, and to talk to a more senior resident (maybe your chief resident). They might be able to give you tips on how to be more efficient or give you more insight on what is happening. I'm sorry I can't say much more without knowing more of your situation.
Hey there! Prospective Medical student here, I was curious if you could explain what it is that Pathologists actually do. Research into the topic yields little results, and I usually get information on “Forensic Pathologists.” Frankly, being a Pathologist sounds amazing, but I don’t think I have a grasp on what it actually is outside of the often cited “Forensic Pathology.” Also, I was wondering why average pay is cited as being around 300k, but specialized Pathologists have an income statement way below that (much lower than 200k). Am I just reading the CAP’s financial information wrong?
Hey there ! discovered your channel through Dr Jubbal, he finally made a video about pathology a specialty im interested in ! so im digging into your vidz :)
This video definitely helped me , and I m currently preparing for my steps , will be apply nxt year.. and I m also looking for path clinical rotation . So what do you have for suggestions. Thank you 🙏
I'm currently working as a pathology lecturer in a medical college! I'm confused if i should choose it as a career! Cause i think its hard! & boring, risky....the diagnosis should be to the point!
what're your thoughts on artificial intelligence possibly replacing jobs in the future? advanced image recognition could analyze a vast array of pathology datasets and come up with a diagnosis faster than pathologists. I just saw a TED talk with Dr. Sahir Ali entitled "A.I. vs. Pathologists: Survival of the Fittest"
I think for AI to recognize dysplastic tissues it has to be trained to understand the normal tissue, but remember each organ has different cells and stroma. Even though they manage they'll still need pathologist to evaluate the results
There is a decent amount of self study in residency. We are mostly taught practical skills, and we need to read to gain our knowledge base. I talk about some textbooks I liked in this video: ruclips.net/video/ID0ktD-la50/видео.html.
Hi Kai, Residency is always hard, but I think pathology residency is better than most. We have hard rotations (ie. Surgical Pathology), and we have some more relaxing rotations.
I'm applying this year. This helped to confirm my decision, so thank you! =D Are you practicing as an attending physician now? I'm assuming you're done with residency
I'm so glad this video helped you! Just the reason why I started this channel in the first place. I'm actually finishing up residency, and will start my GI fellowship in July.
@@Baking_MD That's awesome! I'm hoping to go into AP Breast/Gyn but probably will apply for AP/CP even though my app is probably better for AP-only track. Are you open to answering questions? I actually found you on Reddit today. You're BakingMD right?
Best of luck to you on the ERAS this year! Link for pathology job posts (but lots of jobs are not posted and are "word of mouth"): www.pathologyoutlines.com/jobs Here is a CAP survey about pathology salary: www.cap.org/member-resources/articles/the-state-of-pathologists-job-market-and-compensation
Haha, that is a true statement; however, my goal with this channel is to reach out to more medical students regardless of their stats. I feel like there are probably a decent number of residents who never gave pathology a thought back in medical school just because they didn't know what Pathology really is.
do you do a lot of research with your job? Im struggling choosing between pharmacy and a few pathways in the medical field. I dont really want a research based job and I really want a good work life balance
I’m doing a PhD in computer vision and deep learning. I plan to apply to medical school after I finish. Are pathology residency directors trying to actively recruit people with my background?
That is definitely an interesting background that would make you stand out as an applicant, especially since research of AI in pathology is the new hot thing.
Maam I am a medical student from India and I am interested in pathology subject that we were taught us in 2nd year of medical school( mainly robbins) in which more focus was on theory and very less on the slides. How can I be sure that I will be interested in reading and interpreting slides all day . Unfortunately we dont have clinical rotations in pathology here.
My best advise is to do an observership at an place that offers clinical rotation. Pathology in practice is very different than what you are exposed to in 2nd year of med school.
Greetings yoing pathology lady, I would appreciate some help should you come across my comment. I am currently finishing Clinical Pathology in my country (residency program here is way less demanding than in the US but surely I am more experienced and oriented than when I was a med student). I wouldn't like to lead a family where i didn't have a go for the ultimate world examination (usmle) so as to carry the regret for not trying to live the american dream (comme ci comme ca) but judging from your experience and here comes the difficult part how possible would a 32yo IMG be accepted in a Clinical Pathology residency program? Thank you in advance and for your time
@@Baking_MD I don't quite get it why being harder when it only includes Clinical Pathology ( Microbiology, Immunology, Transfusion Medicine, Hemopathology and also in the US genetics and not also the vast Anatomical pathology and Forensics. Do you also mean that in order to apply for CP you must already have a PhD? What about age factor?
You don't technically need one, but many community/private practices do have a preference for you to have done a fellowship or 2. That way you can offer specialized help for more difficult cases.
Can we easily find a job without a single night call (both home calls and in home calls) after pathology residency or fellowship?? I'm asking this because I hate waking up at night for any reason?
@@Baking_MD Thanks so much for your response. I'm US IMG and interested in pathology graduated in 2015 with 5 papers and 15 abstracts and applying for match 2023. what do you think I should have on my CV and Steps score to match in good pathology program? I appreciate your guidance
Hello, I'm a Non-US IMG and considering applying for Pathology in the US. I've read it has become more competitive over there. Is it still IMG friendly?
Thank you so much for guidance. I am looking for a residency with work life balance. My step 1 score is 243 and CK is 270 and i am IMG from India. Graduated on July 2021. How much chances are there that i will match in good university program?
Hi Magda, there is no such thing as a stupid question. :) I think the closest to that would be to do Medical Microbiology Fellowship and try to focus on virology. I do not believe there is a specific virology fellowship following pathology residency.
@@Baking_MD In our country if we study Bachelor of Biological Sciences for 4 years and after finishing the college we can do master in Some specialties Includes microbiology, including pathology , my question is what the difference between pathology after doing a degree in biology and the patholog after studying medicine?
It really depends on how big the group is. In a large academic group, I only do 2-3 nights of call a month. The smaller the group, the more days it is.
NEVER! Haha, Radiology is dark and sleep inducing, and Pathology is bright and pretty colors. But, the real reason is that I feel like radiology is like taking best guesses.
Hello, I am interested in pathology but I am about to enter DO medical school. Do you believe graduating from a DO school would allow me to be competitive enough for pathology residency?
Yes! There is no issue of applying to pathology as a DO, there are actually many people who do. You just need to prove your interest in pathology, like everyone else.
I’m planning to either go for pathology or ophthalmology.
Same😂
I became a pathologist because I discovered I didn't have the patience, the stamina, or the personality to be a clinician, especially in OB/GYN. LOL :-)
Haha, I feel like that is the same feeling most pathologists have!
I came to this video because of this :') hahhaha
"I didn't have the patience to be a clinician" I felt that 😅 same feeling why I consider now Pathology 😅
Yeah I’m an intern & wanna start a pathology residency because of that. It’s an easy decision for me bc I just knew I hated patient interaction but loved having the knowledge! So to me pathology sounds like the perfect choice.
I see this guy almost every pathology video with the smae comment.. lol
Really enjoyed your video Doc! Looking forward to starting my pathology residency this year. Keep the videos coming!
how's it going?
I am thinking to apply pathology residency
Is it possible to connect with you ?
I’m graduating high school soon, I can’t wait to start a biochem undergrad program. being a clinical pathologist is my dream job, and watching your vids just motivates me even more (,:
Clinical pathology is a good goal to have! Good Luck!
Me too
I’m so jealous, I wish I could go back 10 years and redo my schooling career :’) I’m almost 29 and feel like I don’t have time to switch or follow my dreams
@@HINATA13845its never to late, many people start when they Are over 30!
I want to go to med school so badly but I’m scared of the stress and debt.
Unfortunately the path to medicine is stressful and long hours. But, I can suggest debt free ways:
1) There are a few medical schools that offer free tuition (ie. NYU)
2) You can go to the military path, but will need to repay in years of service (HPSP)
go to Europe for med school, entrance is usually easier if you do your research, usually it is much cheaper than the us. you can go to public schools in the UK or Ireland (competitive entrance) , or eastern European and even Italy offer English medical courses. you can also go hardcore , learn a local langauge, and study in Germany or Spain ( I have met expats studying medicine in these countries so yeah nothing is impossible or even difficult). life and studies in Europe are not a piece of cake but I feel have less of a ''RISE AND GRIND'' mentality compared to USA medical schools.
also medical school is stressful, BUT ANY UNIVERSITY IS STRESSFUL, I wish someone told me this when I Was young instead of brainwashing me into thinking only type A geniuses go to med school, it is not true, I swear the parrots I studied with (including me) I wish someone told me that...
incoming third-year med student here with prior experience as a chemistry med tech. you got me excited!
I'm so glad!
Thank you very much!! Your videos are exactly what I was looking for, regarding pathology career, lifestyle and training
Glad it was helpful! I really want to inspire more medical students to go into pathology
Have you ever heard of an older medical student being considered for pathology residency? I have read about many older medical students, but none have mentioned pathology? Thank you for all your content! Thank you!
I'm not sure what you mean by older. If you are 45 and is currently a MS4 applying to residency, you have the same changes as any other MS4. If you completed medical school 10 years ago, and is just applying to residency, then yes it significantly lower your changes.
Awesome video! Really helpful insight for us future pathology residency applicants!
Glad it was helpful!
I think it's seriously demanding to be responsible for human lives, it's no joke and mistakes happen no matter how much you don't want them to happen and this terrifies me the most
I am really interested in neurosurgery but that's why i also think about Neuropathology...
I agree with you. Neuropathologist interact closely with the neurosurgeons, to the point, if a neuropathologist is not available, some neurosurgeons will reschedule their procedures
Thankyou for starting a residency vlog channel..I am a pathology postgraduate 3rd yr..in India we have this programme for 3yrs only..then we get MD Pathology degree..
Maam which branch residency is more hectic pathology or radiology? Also what are your working hours in pathology
@@jack-tm6em I think pathology is more difficult because of its extensive syllabus and advanement of molecular studies...
working hour in pathology is reasonable average being 6 hrs...
im sorry, im still young, i have a dumb question:
Is the pathology residency like a job? Do you get paid?
No dumb questions. Residency is a job, but the pay isn't that great because we are technically still in training. For more information, please watch my video on residency salary (ruclips.net/video/qWQA_KmSjjE/видео.html).
I am new path resident in Spain and I Don't Know How to handle residency. I go at 8:00 am and I go back Home to 20:00 so tired that I have no energy to study. Every day I have meetings with my supervisors and I feel shamed due to not to be able to study what They say to me
Hi! I am so sorry this is happening to you. 14 hour everyday seems long even for a first year resident, and it is completely OK in my opinion to just go home and rest after such long days. It seems a little unreasonable for your supervisors to expect you to spend time reading textbooks when you work those hours. My best recommendation is to talk to your peers and see if others are also working such long hours, and to talk to a more senior resident (maybe your chief resident). They might be able to give you tips on how to be more efficient or give you more insight on what is happening. I'm sorry I can't say much more without knowing more of your situation.
Same here in India
Hey 👋🏽 I was wondering if you could give me some insight on this. What do pathologists with md/phds usually get their phd in?
Hey there!
Prospective Medical student here, I was curious if you could explain what it is that Pathologists actually do. Research into the topic yields little results, and I usually get information on “Forensic Pathologists.” Frankly, being a Pathologist sounds amazing, but I don’t think I have a grasp on what it actually is outside of the often cited “Forensic Pathology.”
Also, I was wondering why average pay is cited as being around 300k, but specialized Pathologists have an income statement way below that (much lower than 200k). Am I just reading the CAP’s financial information wrong?
Hi, check out my video on what Pathologists actually do: ruclips.net/video/kJBEnD-u3j0/видео.html
Good job on the video!
Thanks!
Hey there ! discovered your channel through Dr Jubbal, he finally made a video about pathology a specialty im interested in ! so im digging into your vidz :)
Hope I can inspire you to persue pathology residency!
i am very convinced 😂
This video definitely helped me , and I m currently preparing for my steps , will be apply nxt year.. and I m also looking for path clinical rotation . So what do you have for suggestions. Thank you 🙏
Reach out to individual programs to see if they would take you on as an observer. Best of luck!
I'm currently working as a pathology lecturer in a medical college! I'm confused if i should choose it as a career! Cause i think its hard! & boring, risky....the diagnosis should be to the point!
Most of the time we make a "to the point" diagnosis, but there will be times when a descriptive diagnosis is required.
what're your thoughts on artificial intelligence possibly replacing jobs in the future? advanced image recognition could analyze a vast array of pathology datasets and come up with a diagnosis faster than pathologists. I just saw a TED talk with Dr. Sahir Ali entitled "A.I. vs. Pathologists: Survival of the Fittest"
If the day ever comes when AI is advanced enough to analyze complex studies better than a human, EVERYONE is going to be out of a job
I think for AI to recognize dysplastic tissues it has to be trained to understand the normal tissue, but remember each organ has different cells and stroma. Even though they manage they'll still need pathologist to evaluate the results
We're not expecting this soon maybe 200yrs to come
How much do you study in residency? And what resources do you use? Also what made you decide GI as a fellowship?
There is a decent amount of self study in residency. We are mostly taught practical skills, and we need to read to gain our knowledge base. I talk about some textbooks I liked in this video: ruclips.net/video/ID0ktD-la50/видео.html.
how was residency for you? I’ve heard from many med students it’s hell because of long hours, lack of sleep, and balancing studying for the steps.
Hi Kai, Residency is always hard, but I think pathology residency is better than most. We have hard rotations (ie. Surgical Pathology), and we have some more relaxing rotations.
Great video
Thanks!
Hey there , kindly can you please tell me what would be the basic pay during the residency program and after you become a consultant 😊
Already definitely wanted to be a pathologist, but thanks is for the confirmation bias haha!
Happy to help!
I am thinking to apply pathology residency
Is it possible to connect with you ?
Thank you lot and lol mam..
But mam I'm confusing pathology with AI
And pay for pathologists is convenient?
If your interested in starting your own pathology group or your looking to grow but don’t have staff we can help.
I am thinking to apply pathology residency
Is it possible to connect with you ?
I'm applying this year. This helped to confirm my decision, so thank you! =D
Are you practicing as an attending physician now? I'm assuming you're done with residency
Also, I subscribed, so I look forward to hearing more from you!
I'm so glad this video helped you! Just the reason why I started this channel in the first place. I'm actually finishing up residency, and will start my GI fellowship in July.
@@Baking_MD That's awesome! I'm hoping to go into AP Breast/Gyn but probably will apply for AP/CP even though my app is probably better for AP-only track. Are you open to answering questions? I actually found you on Reddit today. You're BakingMD right?
Yups, that's me! Sure, send me a PM.
I am an IMG applying this year. Was wondering how is the job market post residency and what is rough annual income of pathologist
Best of luck to you on the ERAS this year!
Link for pathology job posts (but lots of jobs are not posted and are "word of mouth"): www.pathologyoutlines.com/jobs
Here is a CAP survey about pathology salary: www.cap.org/member-resources/articles/the-state-of-pathologists-job-market-and-compensation
I’m not sure yet😢 but I’m tired of seeing patients on clinic days. 😅
Hi! I’m an aspiring pathologist. What pre-med course is the best for pursuing pathology? Thank you. ❤
Medical laboratory science in my opinion
The most important reason you didn’t or didn’t want to mention is that pathology is almost least competitive, therefore almost easiest to get matched.
Haha, that is a true statement; however, my goal with this channel is to reach out to more medical students regardless of their stats. I feel like there are probably a decent number of residents who never gave pathology a thought back in medical school just because they didn't know what Pathology really is.
do you do a lot of research with your job? Im struggling choosing between pharmacy and a few pathways in the medical field. I dont really want a research based job and I really want a good work life balance
The majority of pathology jobs are in private or community practice, where it's pure clinical work
I want to prepare myself to apply for pathology …. How can I get observership or shadowing to increase my chances to be matched ??
Reach out to program directors to see if they have an observership program
Did you got observership in pathology ?
I’m doing a PhD in computer vision and deep learning. I plan to apply to medical school after I finish. Are pathology residency directors trying to actively recruit people with my background?
That is definitely an interesting background that would make you stand out as an applicant, especially since research of AI in pathology is the new hot thing.
Maam I am a medical student from India and I am interested in pathology subject that we were taught us in 2nd year of medical school( mainly robbins) in which more focus was on theory and very less on the slides. How can I be sure that I will be interested in reading and interpreting slides all day . Unfortunately we dont have clinical rotations in pathology here.
My best advise is to do an observership at an place that offers clinical rotation. Pathology in practice is very different than what you are exposed to in 2nd year of med school.
Greetings yoing pathology lady,
I would appreciate some help should you come across my comment.
I am currently finishing Clinical Pathology in my country (residency program here is way less demanding than in the US but surely I am more experienced and oriented than when I was a med student).
I wouldn't like to lead a family where i didn't have a go for the ultimate world examination (usmle) so as to carry the regret for not trying to live the american dream (comme ci comme ca) but judging from your experience and here comes the difficult part how possible would a 32yo IMG be accepted in a Clinical Pathology residency program?
Thank you in advance and for your time
It would be harder than an AP/CP program. Most people interested in CP only program are MD/PhDs
@@Baking_MD I don't quite get it why being harder when it only includes Clinical Pathology ( Microbiology, Immunology, Transfusion Medicine, Hemopathology and also in the US genetics and not also the vast Anatomical pathology and Forensics.
Do you also mean that in order to apply for CP you must already have a PhD?
What about age factor?
Hey, can you please let me know the requirements to apply to the pathology residency programs in US?
It's basically the same process as for us graduates, eras and nrmp, plus ecfmg and both step 1&2.
To do forensic pathology which do you go for between AP (anatomical) and CP (clinical)
You definitely don’t need CP to do forensic pathology. AP is all you need.
If you want to work in community/private practice do you think you'll need to do a fellowship?
You don't technically need one, but many community/private practices do have a preference for you to have done a fellowship or 2. That way you can offer specialized help for more difficult cases.
Can we easily find a job without a single night call (both home calls and in home calls) after pathology residency or fellowship?? I'm asking this because I hate waking up at night for any reason?
Generally those jobs are in private practice or in community hospitals that does not do frozen
I heard pathologists make a lot lower than other specialities, is that true?
Also, how is the job market doing for pathologists?
Pathologists get paid better than most primary care specialties (ie. family medicine).
@@Baking_MD
Thanks so much for your response. I'm US IMG and interested in pathology graduated in 2015 with 5 papers and 15 abstracts and applying for match 2023.
what do you think I should have on my CV and Steps score to match in good pathology program?
I appreciate your guidance
Hello, I'm a Non-US IMG and considering applying for Pathology in the US. I've read it has become more competitive over there. Is it still IMG friendly?
Hey, did you find any answer for that? I am also considering pathology
Yes it is. A good chunk of pathology residency spots are filled by IMGs. It will be very difficult to get into the very top tier programs.
Thank you so much for guidance. I am looking for a residency with work life balance. My step 1 score is 243 and CK is 270 and i am IMG from India. Graduated on July 2021. How much chances are there that i will match in good university program?
Sounds like you would be a good applicant
Please I hope my question isn't dumb but can someone do a fellowship in virology after a residency in pathology 🤔🤔
Hi Magda, there is no such thing as a stupid question. :) I think the closest to that would be to do Medical Microbiology Fellowship and try to focus on virology. I do not believe there is a specific virology fellowship following pathology residency.
@@Baking_MD ok thanks
How important is research to getting into a path residency?
Not necessarily requirement, but it does help on your application for bigger academic centers.
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Can I become a pathologist by college of biology science? Without studying in medicine college
I believe you will need to an a doctor's degree, but I don't know how foreign countries differ from the US. Sorry that wasn't much help.
@@Baking_MD In our country if we study Bachelor of Biological Sciences for 4 years and after finishing the college we can do master in Some specialties Includes microbiology, including pathology , my question is what the difference between pathology after doing a degree in biology and the patholog after studying medicine?
@@asia5162 sorry, you will have to ask someone who is more familiar with your system
@@Baking_MD Thanks I will do
How many oncall hours in a month does a pathologist work?
It really depends on how big the group is. In a large academic group, I only do 2-3 nights of call a month. The smaller the group, the more days it is.
Are there night shifts in pathology ???
No, pathologists do not have any in-house overnight calls. We do our overnights calls at home, and most can handled via the phone.
@@Baking_MD this is enough of a reason to become a pathologist lol
@@aluminiumknight4038 I know that’s right
Is hematopathology separate branch or it's subspeshality of pathology,
It's a subspecialty of Pathology. It is a 1-2 year fellowship after residency.
@@Baking_MD what do you prefer histopathology or hematopathology,?
May I ask how much are you paid while in residency?
It depends on the program, as PGY-1, it can be anywhere from $55-70k. There should be a small increase in pay every PGY level gained.
@@Baking_MD thx for the reply.
Yeah that does sound good if you ask me
I need your help with pathologist
Sorry, I'm confused.
Did you ever consider Radiology ?
NEVER! Haha, Radiology is dark and sleep inducing, and Pathology is bright and pretty colors. But, the real reason is that I feel like radiology is like taking best guesses.
H&E😂😅, absolutely be pathologist
Pathology lifestyle is among the best, but the pay for the training you put in is among the worst.
Pathology lifestyle is definitely great! The pay can be meh, but good enough for me!
Share medical pathology books.name or pdf file.
please see my video on this topic: ruclips.net/video/yAdq3vZYOz8/видео.html
Hello, I am interested in pathology but I am about to enter DO medical school. Do you believe graduating from a DO school would allow me to be competitive enough for pathology residency?
Yes! There is no issue of applying to pathology as a DO, there are actually many people who do. You just need to prove your interest in pathology, like everyone else.