When I visited I was very surprised at how welcoming everyone was. I wasn't expecting my friend's family to welcome me into their homes so openly, I always assumed Swedes would be much colder. And the tradition of celebrating midsommar is so beautiful to me, and so alien. I hope I get to experience it sometime! Också, glad midsommar!
Glad midsommar! And yeah, Swedes are a bit strange that way. We can be very open at times (with people we know or want to get to know), but very cold sometimes. I'm happy that you got to see the good sides of Swedes on your visit :D
I as a Swede will always invite you to dinner if you come to my home. And also in Sweden you always take your shoes off when you are at someones home. Tack för en rolig och underhållande video 😊
You're a good and kind Swede in other words. I'm probably just too introverted to invite people for dinner 😊 But yeah very good point about the shoes! And thank you so much 😀
Whenever I visited a friend as a kid I would always be offered food, the same goes for whenever someone of my friends visited me. I am not sure where this comes from really since I haven't heard about it before. I wonder if it depends on where in Sweden and then of course which family.
@@Zynapse Mostly likely depends on where in Sweden, and also how well off the family is. Or how that family was raised. It's probably a lot of different factors!
It was like that for me when i was a kid visiting friends. But i think it is not like that so much anymore. Maby it is like that in smaller towns or villagers. I live in Gothenburg and my children has always been invited to the dinner table and i always invite my childrens friends to ours.
In my country pakistan, I grow up in very good family. You can't enter into house with shoes! You need to keep your shoes into shoes box outside & wear casual slippers placed right next to entrance, Same goes if you are invited as guest. You must remove your shoes before entering room. Than go to Restroom wash & clean your foot, if you are not sure about Ur smelly socks please also remove it. That is ethic n proof Ur hygiene standards ❤... I am shocked Swede going to invite someone in their house 🏠, coz Swedish people are very reserved & introverts 😭❓
I’m a New Zealander who has had quite the obsession with Sweden lately, because I think its a pretty damn awesome country! In fact, me and my family are in the process of planning a trip there next year. I discovered your channel recently, and think you make some really good videos about Sweden, which has really helped me learn more about the country and the awesome things there is to see there!
I'm totally biased, but I do agree that it's a pretty awesome country :D But then again, I think NZ sounds like an awesome place too and I really want to visit in the foreseeable future. Either way, happy to hear that I can be of use with these videos - and thanks a lot!
Around what time are you coming? Please don't be one of those people who go to the big cities in winter expecting a winter wonderland. It's not. Further north, yes, but no one goes there except skiers and "spiritual" people who want to see the northern lights and the ice hotel. I recommend june-september.
@@PotatwielderIm hoping to come in around June of next year because of just that. Also would be nice because thats when the winter is here in New Zealand, so would be nice to get away from that for some time
@@canadiankiwigaming If you don't mind me asking, where are you planning to go? Prime opportunity to ask a Swede here. (Sometimes my youtube gets wonky so if I don't respond it's because my comment broke).
Another great video. I think you are very sincere and have a good insight ... or should I say you have a great way to communicate the spirit of Sweden and the Swedes. My only objection is that we are all different and we may often change our attitudes. One week we are very socially involved while going into hibernation the next. We are looking forward to your next video!
Thank you so much! And I agree with your observation as well - it's just a bit easier to make something that's easily digestable if I generalize a bit. The truth is always so much more complex. And so are people as well - regardless of where they're from :)
As regular visitors to Sweden since 1980, most of this video is well known to us and thankfully so when we were invited to visit someone's house who we had only met the day before. A proper inspection of the garden was followed by outside inspection of recent alterations to the house itself before a guided tour of indoors. All properly noted and commented on. I love Swedish houses.
Great vlog Miro - quite fun and now that I have participated in Midsommar and done the frog dance too - I can say that my mind has truly been blown away by the sheer fun. I have three days left before I leave Sweden for Australia ( back to work 😂) and have really enjoyed the country and love its people!
I'm so happy to hear that! And it sounds like you had a really nice Midsummer :D Don't think about when it's time to go back - that's when the back-to-work anxiety starts to emerge! At least it's like that for me ^_^
@@ThreeStarVagabond going back to work is no issue, it’s contemplating the 36 hours of travelling coming up - Arlanda to Heathrow to Singapore to Melbourne then home to Mildura! Yikes! I will just close my eyes and relive my fabulous visit to Sweden and all the great people I met - that will help but for now, just looking forward to Stockholm and a visit to Gamla Stan tomorrow 😊
I went to Sweden last year, by myself (This is how I found your channel). I was very worried about being extremely lonely but the Swedes were very kind and patient with me, at least the girls at the hotel. I did have the dark cloud over me in Finland. People weren't as friendly. Your Panamanian friend.
Wow, happy to hear that you found the Swedes kind! And I guess that it makes sense that you found the Finns even more introverted - they are infamous for being even more silent and cold than Swedes actually. I hope you had a great trip overall :D
Finns are quite friendly. But we are also minding our own business, as it is not a part of the culture to bother others without a good reason (like getting lost). 😊 We give (and need) space, that's one way of showing politeness over here. Small talk is frowned upon, as it is seen as "empty talk".
@@turpasauna Good info. I'm returning to Finland in October, I'm going to Tampere. I'll try making sure my subjects are meaningful and super awesome before I approach you guys. I'm a bit intimidated.
@@etrigueros Haha! I hope you have a good time. You don't really have to be that awesome though, just enough so that you have something meaningful (to you, that is) to say. :) A good example of this is the greeting "how are you?"; a Finn will tell you 100% honest how he/she actually feels like at that time ("not that good, my mom was hospitalized last night"). Ps. There is one exception to the small talk rule: you can always talk about weather. It's a safe ice breaker, and we love to complain about it.
@@turpasauna This helps a lot., thank you! Traveling along gets difficult at times. I love Finland though, one of my favorite countries. I can't stop telling people how beautiful and organize it is. If I get ignore by the Finns, I'll take it as a positive cultural experience :).
Allemansrätten is usually translated as "the right to roam" in english as that is what it means, but the literal translation is "the right of all men".
Moreover, it is not exclusive to Scandinavia as mentioned in the video: Finland has it as well, which is logical as Finland was a part of Sweden for some 600 years.
@@johannord4778 Sorry, but no. This is a common misconception. Finland is a Nordic country but not a Scandinavian one. They are Denmark, Norway and Sweden. None other.
@@christopherx7428 Wait what? Seeing as they are part of the three kingdom cairn which is the north end of the mountain range Skanderna which is the namesake for Scandinavia it is weird that they aren't. Denmark should not be part of Scandinavia since they have no connection to its namesake.
I think you could have pointed out that the right to roam comes with a set of obligations too, e.g. don't break living branches from the trees, don't cross farmland with growing crops, NEVER make a fire on open rock etc, etc. Maybe it is common sense, but that is a rare commodity...
It should be common sense at least, even if many might not think so... But yeah, that's a good point. I made a video all about allemansrätten earlier though, so I didn't want to go too deep into all the details once more in this one ^_^
i am American and I love salty licorice. I don't see why people find it icky or strange. Although, my family is originally from Sunne, Värmland. So maybe it's in my genes? LOL
Thank you! 😊 And well, that's what I've heard at least. And how it seems when I compare Swedes to other countries. But I'm sure that there's always a lot of individual variation
When it comes to corruption, Sweden and countries in N Europe and New Zeland (and Australia and Canada) or the least infected countries in the world. The press and radio/TV are always on the alert exposing officials who uses the government's VISA card to by a candybar. Journalists are free to do their digging and seldom risks any repercussions.
@@ThreeStarVagabond It's definitely my experience too! My wife's from the US and she'll get frustrated that I'm so trusting of my government and health care system 😅 Different story over there I guess! Not that we're perfect over here either, of course!
@@MomsterGirl Haha, I can imagine! But yeah, I think one needs to have a certain amount of cynisism, but distrusting institutions too much isn't good either. Some balance is needed, as always ^_^
Amazing look into Swedish culture. There are definitely a few things I found weird when I was there, people on the street keep to themselves even when you say Hi IF they make eye contact. I wish we would be more aware of personal space here it be so much better than feeling someone breathing on the back of my neck. Stay safe til next time
I think we should meet somewhere halfway - people here are a bit too standoffish, and people over there can be a bit too much for me 😊 Anyway thanks and cheers! Have an awesome one!
If you visit Sweden, here are some places you might wanna check out for authentic Swedish culture and welcoming atmosphere. Malmö: Rosengård Stockholm: Södertälje, Tensta/Rinkeby, Husby. Göteborg: Hjällbo A lot of vibrant cultural exchange to be had in these areas.
Disregarding this childish commenter, if anyone wants to see a bit of Rosengård you can check out my video all about Malmö. I'll also be doing one where I show off Rinkeby later this year.
Last year we did a 3 week tour holiday with the family in South Sweden, this year again in the middle of Sweden. What amazes me is the amount of stuff (both wrappers and bottles) and debris (planks with nails, broken boats, remains of buildings) you have in nature. If I compare this with your attitude towards Nature, well it just boggles my mind.
It gets better up north. Did you actually wander in nature through trails and stuff? Because they are most often spotless. If you are talking about some shrubs half-inside for example Jönköping, then it makes more sense. Of course no litter should be tolerated, but some is explainable by virtue of there existing partygoers.
I very much feel like you're talking about Sweden as it was +25 years ago! I sadly think it has changed considerably now days in almost all aspects you talked about! (except allemansrätten) 😊
I was shocked when I discovered that I could see way more than just Swedish names and addresses online. It seems like a perfect tool for stalkers and unhinged exes. Btw, there's no official right to roam in Denmark. In many places you can get away with walking around, but expect to be chased away if you try to camp outside of official camping grounds.
That's actually something people are pretty worried about - weird and/or dangerous people getting hold of personal information like that. But you can request to have your address hidden, and your phone number too. Oh right. I always forget that Denmark is a bit more...continental, that way. Better remember that if I ever take my tent south...
Living in Texas, where you might get shot at for trespassing, Allemansrätten still blows my mind. Even as a kid, I daydreamed about moving to Canada or Sweden. Were I a bit younger, I'd still consider it. Sweden seems more to my wiring -- and especially Cynthia's!
The older one gets, the harder it gets to move somewhere right. I don't even have a house but it would still feel like something enormous. I can't even decide about moving inside Stockholm these days 😊 Haha I'm actually really happy that I'm not in Texas for the trespassing thing at least. Even though I would love the weather....I think...
@@ThreeStarVagabond I'd feel strange moving to a new country at 55. Not that I plan to retire anytime soon, but I'd want to feel like I contributed more to a place before growing older and possibly needing assistance. (You know, in countries where there IS assistance! 😉) But Sweden, Scotland, and other countries that have a right to roam seem so great. Or places that might be more restrictive, but still have bike trails and other things running through the entire country. The closest thing we have in Texas is you're allowed to camp on riverbeds, but land owners might still chase you off with a gun, claiming you're on their land. It is currently 98F/37C and feels like 105/40 with humidity. (It's not been a hot summer...yet.) But some people do like it. (I think the heat got to their brains.)
@@ChristopherGronlund Maybe I'll just be satisfied with visiting countries instead of moving abroad... Assistance, humidity and scorching heat, gun toting maniacs - there seems to be so many obstacles abroad! ;D
@@jamesrein648 I'm in Texas, so I have plenty of options for better places. Most Canadian friends are still happy up there, but yeah -- so many places have changed.
I'm born and raised in Sweden, but my mother is from Spain, and whenever I had friends over as kid, there was no question about whether they would eat as well. My mother would always make do somehow, so to me, that was the norm. And my friends had parents who would happily let me eat with them as well, so I was very much accustomed to such treatment. Suffice it to say, when I switched schools and got to know some other (good) friends, I was shocked when their parents would have me wait in my friend's room while they ate. I had no idea what was going on, and I took it very personally and started wondering if they didn't like me or something, and being the Swede that I am, I didn't really comment on it. I basically just made a fist in my pocket and pretended that it didn't bother me. It wasn't until a long time later until I realised that my initial experience wasn't really the norm, lol.
You handled that like a proper Swede, with the fist in the pocket! But yeah I can imagine that that must have been quite a shock the first time. My mom always tried to make me not eat dinner at friends' places - I think she didn't want people to think that our family wasn't feeding our kids properly ^^
Amazing video Miro! I wonder if you could create a video about sides that you never knew about Sweden. Also, out of the ten points, which one of them do you think Swedish people will have different opinions on?
Thanks! And oooh that's a good one! I did make one about surprising facts about Sweden, but this might be a slightly different take. I think that not offering visiting kids dinner is something that's slowly changing, so that might have a lot of differing opinions. And trust is something I believe that most Swedes would try to argue against - it feels a bit naive to be trusting. But I still think it's true ^_^
I don't know if it's changing or not, but I agree that that's probably the point we will have the most differing opinions on - because there are (and have always been) so many different factors that matter! Like: do you live in the countryside, where people have traditionally been much more in-and-out of eachother's house uninvited, or in a city? Are you good friends with the parents of a visiting child (which means you're likely to know their habits and opinions and any allergies the child has) or not? Have you been brought up to cook extra and save any leftovers for the week (like many old people where I grew up) or not?
@@AnMal01-h6b Totally agree! I've talked to various other Swedes about this "invite to dinner" thing, and some say that they've never experienced it or heard of it at all. So it really seems to depend a lot.
A fact: The main issues held dear by the Swedes are also the cornerstone of all the other Nordic nations (counting from West): Gönland, Island, Færöene, Norge, Danmark, Sweden, Gotland, Åland, Finland, to name a few. There are slight technical variations between these areas, but the basic sentiment is the same. We are a bunch of slightly disparate siblings!
Very good point! We're like a very strange little family up here, and we share a lot of the same sentiments. We might bicker and argue with each other, but we're still protective of our siblings ^_^
Greetings from Finland! Couldn´t be noticing that you drink milk from Karjala beer glass 😁.... All other things are normal here in Finland too except those mid summer rituals. We sure have same kind of rituals and practises, but not dancing frog dance around the pole and not that singing either. But we do eat much together with friends or relatives and we drink hell of alot 😁. Also true that salmiakki here in Finland is much more popular than anywhere else in the world. As i was kid, i remember that there wasn´t much of salmiakki in the candy sections, but these days it has grown alot. We love salmiakki so much that we have it in booze, ice cream, bublegum and i have even seen it on marinade for meat 😂. Same thing with rye bread. I remember as i was visiting my uncle in Fisksätra and we tried to find some, but at that time (1997) it was basicly mission impossible. He said that there is sometimes in some markets in Stockholm, but not all the time. I always finded intrest for Swedish breads that were little sweet. Skågaholms limpa were my favourite for years.
My favourite beer glasses :D I'd love to see a Finnish midsummer some day - so far I've just been at one on Åland, but that's probably halfway between a Finnish and Swedish one. Haha, I think I've seen salmiakki taste in all of those things in Sweden too, except for the marinade! Oh, and rye bread is still pretty hard to come by. They have a small section in big stores, but most of the time I think people buy the Danish (sweeter) rye breads instead. No tumma leipä för most people :)
@@ThreeStarVagabond Well there isn´t much to see, nut it is great to hangout some good friends, eat, drink and go to sauna and lake (or sea). Heavy drinking and grilling some sausages later at the evening. Uuh, that´s a progression 😁. Salmiakki is so deep into our culture here. I rarely even eat candy, but when i do, it is always salmiakki 😄. Ok, never heard that type of rye bread. We hardly never eat sweet breds at all. Only at the christmes and eastern we might eat sweet limpa, but that´s it. My uncle used to say that he was so full of Swedish breads becous most of those are little bit sweet.
I was thinking to move in to sweden someday i had also other options in my mind but i as European citizen i wont apply for visa etc. (US - Canada ) due Politics happening around I'm not sure about that right now also i'm not sure if would be able to get the job quickly there ( I am QA engineer Junior ) .
It's probably a pretty difficult market for IT people in every country right now, but Sweden usually needs more people in all kinds of positions. I'm sure there's plenty of companies that'll need QA engineers once you decide to jump over here :)
In Scotland, we also have the right to roam. This is not so in the rest of the UK. I recently read a book called "The Book of Trespass" about how much of the rest of the UK is considered private land with no access rights. I got angrier and angrier as I turned the pages and was grateful that I hadn't been an English child. There are quite a few things that are similar between Scotland and Sweden that I recognize when watching your videos. Perhaps it's because most of us have Norse genes 😂. We do tend to be more welcoming though, and my home now is the city of Liverpool which has to be one of the friendliest places on the planet, and also with big connections to the Norse. I have been to Sweden, and I think that it is difficult to get to know real Sweden unless you already know someone there.
Sweden is a bit like an onion. There's several layers, and you start crying when trying to find out how to get to the next layer. But yeah, it does seem like Scotland and Scandinavia is really quite similar in many ways. It's quite amazing for me to see how different England is from Scotland since we pretty much assume that it's "the same country". Oh, and I agree about Liverpool! Been there a few times and it was quite nice ^_^
May I know your horoscope? Mine is Sagittarius. I'd like to save time by checking your personal information online. (haha, 😆😆) I learned a lot from your videos and gained a better understanding of your hometown, Sweden.❤
Haha of course, I'm a Leo - and that's of course also available online for anyone to see with a little bit of searching :D Thank you so much! Really happy to hear that ^_^
It is extremely important to also tell how we came up with "lördagsgodis" in the 50s. It's dark but necessary to be open about how we force fed disables people candy in institutions to monitor the effect is had on their teeth. The people subjected to those experiments deserves to not be forgotten and swept under the rug.
@@trollkatt Force fed nothing but candy, with no mouth hygiene administered? I mean, if that sounds amazing, then be my guest. Live their life for a couple of months and tell me how amazing it was! Especially when the tooth infections reaches your brain and the diabetes and malnutrition takes your other leg off.
@@trollkatt Don't get me wrong, I know you're trolling, it's in your name even. It's just. You're not doing it very well. Just being a douche doesn't cut it anymore. Gotta bring something else.
@@niklasekelof7319 Jag är inget troll. Du är okunnig. Googla på vad en trollkatt är. Alls tycker inte som du här i livet, vilket även dagens forskare visar på då liknande experiment och värre pågår dagligen än. Håll dina moralkakor för dig själv.
Love Allenmansrätten, it it . Blows me away that every holiday pickled herring and boiled potatoes are the main event. Used to be okay with it, but then I tried surströmming. I have eaten lots of smelly fermented things. I managed to swallow it, but it came back up in about 5 minutes. Put me off all pickled herring for years, not much to eat if you don't like herring or boiled potatoes . Don't try Surströmming if you are going to live in Sweden Blows me away some married/ sambo Swedes keep seperate bank acccounts even after having kids. Sometimes they still split the bill for food. Husesyn: I hate it , feels like a home inspection, and the Swedish comments often come off as judgy. especially if you are not doing things 2in the Swedish way" In my culture you never enter someone's bedroom without being invited. My SO told my inlaws that, but they didn't respect it. So... I leave "toys" on our bed when every they come over, now they at least don't go in our bedroom. Don't get the home tour thing for a one bedroom apartment.
Can you say something about why Swedish (or maybe only Stockholmare are like that?) people are so crazy about class and money? Like, I know some people from Södermalm which have inferiority complex because of where they were born, the opposite with people from Östermalm - they think of themselves as a higher being. And then, people from outside Stockholm that moved here and "need to progress in the social ladder", dreaming about expensive yachts and stuff. Like, what's up with all of this? Most Swedish people I met are from Stockholm, Uppsala, Västerås and surrounding areas, all they talk about is the social status and money :/ help
I'd say that being obsessed with class and money is mostly a city thing, and only in certain groups of people. That said, there's definitely more such people in Stockholm than in e.g Gothenburg or Malmö. And much much more than in smaller places in Sweden. Stockholm has the highest salaries, so it attracts people who want to earn more - and my guess is that many get caught up in the whole rat race. But not everyone - I mostly know people who are pretty laid back, regardless if they're living paycheck to paycheck or if they're well off.
I like your videos. We had some nice vacations in swedens lovely cities - stockholm, uppsala, sigtuna, umea, oresund, malmö, ystad, eskilstuna - people were friendly and helpful everywere and i think this summer will be one more nice holiday in sweden😊
@@adiq6360 That attitude is one of the reasons that Stockholm people are often strongly disliked in other parts of Sweden, like in western Sweden, where I live.
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I've been to Sweden a few times, I really enjoyed it and I have many friends, it's just a shame that the Muslim immigrants destroyed Sweden, it's no longer the same Sweden I know
That's so interesting to hear! Sorry if I'm being nosey, but do you have any examples? I'm curious if it's a cultural difference in what's deemed nosey - or if you've met really rude people.
If you visit Sweden, do talk to swedes! It's not that people are rude and wouldn't answer - even though it's true as he says that most swedes seem to be more of introverts than the opposite.// best greetings from a born and raised swede
I might have exaggerated just a bit about the Swedish introvertedness 😊 Yeah I definitely agree that it's worth talking to people, actually! Just maybe not to the same degree like in the US for example
I'm not so sure about that... I think Swedes have a hard time making decisions without a consensus, but they can still be quite independent compared to some other cultures.
I think your content is garbage specially when you talk about Sweden so much and disparage Denmark - you’re in the US filming this video of course it’s not gonna be Denmark and other Nordic countries . It’s really kind of ridiculous. I’ve been to Sweden many times and all I can say is one of the most boring places on earth.
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When I visited I was very surprised at how welcoming everyone was. I wasn't expecting my friend's family to welcome me into their homes so openly, I always assumed Swedes would be much colder. And the tradition of celebrating midsommar is so beautiful to me, and so alien. I hope I get to experience it sometime! Också, glad midsommar!
Glad midsommar! And yeah, Swedes are a bit strange that way. We can be very open at times (with people we know or want to get to know), but very cold sometimes. I'm happy that you got to see the good sides of Swedes on your visit :D
I as a Swede will always invite you to dinner if you come to my home. And also in Sweden you always take your shoes off when you are at someones home. Tack för en rolig och underhållande video 😊
You're a good and kind Swede in other words. I'm probably just too introverted to invite people for dinner 😊 But yeah very good point about the shoes! And thank you so much 😀
Whenever I visited a friend as a kid I would always be offered food, the same goes for whenever someone of my friends visited me. I am not sure where this comes from really since I haven't heard about it before. I wonder if it depends on where in Sweden and then of course which family.
@@Zynapse Mostly likely depends on where in Sweden, and also how well off the family is. Or how that family was raised. It's probably a lot of different factors!
It was like that for me when i was a kid visiting friends. But i think it is not like that so much anymore. Maby it is like that in smaller towns or villagers. I live in Gothenburg and my children has always been invited to the dinner table and i always invite my childrens friends to ours.
In my country pakistan, I grow up in very good family.
You can't enter into house with shoes!
You need to keep your shoes into shoes box outside & wear casual slippers placed right next to entrance,
Same goes if you are invited as guest.
You must remove your shoes before entering room.
Than go to Restroom wash & clean your foot,
if you are not sure about
Ur smelly socks please also remove it.
That is ethic n proof Ur hygiene standards ❤...
I am shocked Swede going to invite someone in their house 🏠, coz Swedish people are very reserved & introverts 😭❓
The best video on Sweden I have ever seen, very honest and true. Well done.
Seriously, I'm really happy to hear that! Cheers man :D
I’m a New Zealander who has had quite the obsession with Sweden lately, because I think its a pretty damn awesome country! In fact, me and my family are in the process of planning a trip there next year.
I discovered your channel recently, and think you make some really good videos about Sweden, which has really helped me learn more about the country and the awesome things there is to see there!
I'm totally biased, but I do agree that it's a pretty awesome country :D But then again, I think NZ sounds like an awesome place too and I really want to visit in the foreseeable future. Either way, happy to hear that I can be of use with these videos - and thanks a lot!
Around what time are you coming? Please don't be one of those people who go to the big cities in winter expecting a winter wonderland. It's not. Further north, yes, but no one goes there except skiers and "spiritual" people who want to see the northern lights and the ice hotel. I recommend june-september.
@@PotatwielderIm hoping to come in around June of next year because of just that. Also would be nice because thats when the winter is here in New Zealand, so would be nice to get away from that for some time
@@canadiankiwigaming If you don't mind me asking, where are you planning to go?
Prime opportunity to ask a Swede here.
(Sometimes my youtube gets wonky so if I don't respond it's because my comment broke).
Another great video. I think you are very sincere and have a good insight ... or should I say you have a great way to communicate the spirit of Sweden and the Swedes. My only objection is that we are all different and we may often change our attitudes. One week we are very socially involved while going into hibernation the next.
We are looking forward to your next video!
Thank you so much! And I agree with your observation as well - it's just a bit easier to make something that's easily digestable if I generalize a bit. The truth is always so much more complex. And so are people as well - regardless of where they're from :)
As regular visitors to Sweden since 1980, most of this video is well known to us and thankfully so when we were invited to visit someone's house who we had only met the day before. A proper inspection of the garden was followed by outside inspection of recent alterations to the house itself before a guided tour of indoors. All properly noted and commented on. I love Swedish houses.
Haha, I hear that you got to see a proper Swedish husesyn! Sounds like you adapted perfectly though despite any potential culture clash :D
Great vlog Miro - quite fun and now that I have participated in Midsommar and done the frog dance too - I can say that my mind has truly been blown away by the sheer fun. I have three days left before I leave Sweden for Australia ( back to work 😂) and have really enjoyed the country and love its people!
I'm so happy to hear that! And it sounds like you had a really nice Midsummer :D Don't think about when it's time to go back - that's when the back-to-work anxiety starts to emerge! At least it's like that for me ^_^
@@ThreeStarVagabond going back to work is no issue, it’s contemplating the 36 hours of travelling coming up - Arlanda to Heathrow to Singapore to Melbourne then home to Mildura! Yikes! I will just close my eyes and relive my fabulous visit to Sweden and all the great people I met - that will help but for now, just looking forward to Stockholm and a visit to Gamla Stan tomorrow 😊
@@donnamortensen959 Ooof! Now that's quite a journey. I don't envy you that part at least - everything above 24 hours is just plain misery :D
Ahh, finally you have mentioned the famous Swedish candy! Tack! I'm also not a fan of the salty liquorice, but I do like plain liquorice.
Maybe I should do a video all about Swedish candy later on... The problem is that I'll have to buy a lot of the licorice that I don't like then :D
I went to Sweden last year, by myself (This is how I found your channel). I was very worried about being extremely lonely but the Swedes were very kind and patient with me, at least the girls at the hotel. I did have the dark cloud over me in Finland. People weren't as friendly. Your Panamanian friend.
Wow, happy to hear that you found the Swedes kind! And I guess that it makes sense that you found the Finns even more introverted - they are infamous for being even more silent and cold than Swedes actually. I hope you had a great trip overall :D
Finns are quite friendly. But we are also minding our own business, as it is not a part of the culture to bother others without a good reason (like getting lost). 😊 We give (and need) space, that's one way of showing politeness over here. Small talk is frowned upon, as it is seen as "empty talk".
@@turpasauna Good info. I'm returning to Finland in October, I'm going to Tampere. I'll try making sure my subjects are meaningful and super awesome before I approach you guys. I'm a bit intimidated.
@@etrigueros Haha! I hope you have a good time. You don't really have to be that awesome though, just enough so that you have something meaningful (to you, that is) to say. :) A good example of this is the greeting "how are you?"; a Finn will tell you 100% honest how he/she actually feels like at that time ("not that good, my mom was hospitalized last night"). Ps. There is one exception to the small talk rule: you can always talk about weather. It's a safe ice breaker, and we love to complain about it.
@@turpasauna This helps a lot., thank you! Traveling along gets difficult at times. I love Finland though, one of my favorite countries. I can't stop telling people how beautiful and organize it is. If I get ignore by the Finns, I'll take it as a positive cultural experience :).
Allemansrätten is usually translated as "the right to roam" in english as that is what it means, but the literal translation is "the right of all men".
Moreover, it is not exclusive to Scandinavia as mentioned in the video: Finland has it as well, which is logical as Finland was a part of Sweden for some 600 years.
Finland is part of Scandinavia.
@@johannord4778 Sorry, but no. This is a common misconception. Finland is a Nordic country but not a Scandinavian one. They are Denmark, Norway and Sweden. None other.
@@christopherx7428 Wait what? Seeing as they are part of the three kingdom cairn which is the north end of the mountain range Skanderna which is the namesake for Scandinavia it is weird that they aren't. Denmark should not be part of Scandinavia since they have no connection to its namesake.
@@johannord4778 Like I said, common misconception. I am Swedish and think I have a reasonable grasp of the subject.
I think you could have pointed out that the right to roam comes with a set of obligations too, e.g. don't break living branches from the trees, don't cross farmland with growing crops, NEVER make a fire on open rock etc, etc. Maybe it is common sense, but that is a rare commodity...
It should be common sense at least, even if many might not think so... But yeah, that's a good point. I made a video all about allemansrätten earlier though, so I didn't want to go too deep into all the details once more in this one ^_^
i am American and I love salty licorice. I don't see why people find it icky or strange. Although, my family is originally from Sunne, Värmland. So maybe it's in my genes? LOL
Most likely the genes yes! Haha, maybe you're lactose tolerant as well? Could be related...
@@ThreeStarVagabond of course! Lots of milk. Nom nom.
@@SofiaFreja Haha! You're now officially considered a Swede. All the criteria have been met :D
Love watching your videos as I learn a little bit more about Sweden even though I am living here in Stockholm. 👍🏼
Thank you! Haha, glad to see that my random information is useful :D
@@ThreeStarVagabond Always on a quest to know more. Tack så mycket
Another great video!
I guess we are pretty trusting, it's almost hard to notice when you're surrounded by other Swedes who are all trusting too!
Thank you! 😊 And well, that's what I've heard at least. And how it seems when I compare Swedes to other countries. But I'm sure that there's always a lot of individual variation
When it comes to corruption, Sweden and countries in N Europe and New Zeland (and Australia and Canada) or the least infected countries in the world. The press and radio/TV are always on the alert exposing officials who uses the government's VISA card to by a candybar. Journalists are free to do their digging and seldom risks any repercussions.
It's basically easy to be trusting when you've had no reason to mistrust... At least not historically.
@@ThreeStarVagabond It's definitely my experience too! My wife's from the US and she'll get frustrated that I'm so trusting of my government and health care system 😅 Different story over there I guess! Not that we're perfect over here either, of course!
@@MomsterGirl Haha, I can imagine! But yeah, I think one needs to have a certain amount of cynisism, but distrusting institutions too much isn't good either. Some balance is needed, as always ^_^
Haha blev förvånad av att se Helsingborg i videon :)
Jag försökte få med lite olika delar av Sverige :D
@@ThreeStarVagabond Riktigt trevligt! :)
Amazing look into Swedish culture. There are definitely a few things I found weird when I was there, people on the street keep to themselves even when you say Hi IF they make eye contact. I wish we would be more aware of personal space here it be so much better than feeling someone breathing on the back of my neck. Stay safe til next time
I think we should meet somewhere halfway - people here are a bit too standoffish, and people over there can be a bit too much for me 😊 Anyway thanks and cheers! Have an awesome one!
If you visit Sweden, here are some places you might wanna check out for authentic Swedish culture and welcoming atmosphere.
Malmö: Rosengård
Stockholm: Södertälje, Tensta/Rinkeby, Husby.
Göteborg: Hjällbo
A lot of vibrant cultural exchange to be had in these areas.
Disregarding this childish commenter, if anyone wants to see a bit of Rosengård you can check out my video all about Malmö. I'll also be doing one where I show off Rinkeby later this year.
Very interesting. ❤
Thank you! :D
You make awesome videos and have a great sense of humor. Keep up the good work!
Hey thanks a lot! Happy to hear that - and I'll do my best :D
Last year we did a 3 week tour holiday with the family in South Sweden, this year again in the middle of Sweden.
What amazes me is the amount of stuff (both wrappers and bottles) and debris (planks with nails, broken boats, remains of buildings) you have in nature.
If I compare this with your attitude towards Nature, well it just boggles my mind.
It gets better up north. Did you actually wander in nature through trails and stuff? Because they are most often spotless. If you are talking about some shrubs half-inside for example Jönköping, then it makes more sense. Of course no litter should be tolerated, but some is explainable by virtue of there existing partygoers.
And then there is "jantelagen", few Americans follow that way of life - thanks for this video, Miro ! 😉
Haha, Jantelagen would make Americans' minds implode or something :D Thank you!!
I very much feel like you're talking about Sweden as it was +25 years ago! I sadly think it has changed considerably now days in almost all aspects you talked about! (except allemansrätten) 😊
Good things, thank you!
Thanks for checking it out :D
I was shocked when I discovered that I could see way more than just Swedish names and addresses online. It seems like a perfect tool for stalkers and unhinged exes.
Btw, there's no official right to roam in Denmark. In many places you can get away with walking around, but expect to be chased away if you try to camp outside of official camping grounds.
That's actually something people are pretty worried about - weird and/or dangerous people getting hold of personal information like that. But you can request to have your address hidden, and your phone number too.
Oh right. I always forget that Denmark is a bit more...continental, that way. Better remember that if I ever take my tent south...
The amount of footage! And from Gävle too!
I used a lot of footage from most parts of Sweden I've filmed. Really happy to hear that you enjoyed it :D
And from Mora.....
Living in Texas, where you might get shot at for trespassing, Allemansrätten still blows my mind. Even as a kid, I daydreamed about moving to Canada or Sweden. Were I a bit younger, I'd still consider it. Sweden seems more to my wiring -- and especially Cynthia's!
The older one gets, the harder it gets to move somewhere right. I don't even have a house but it would still feel like something enormous. I can't even decide about moving inside Stockholm these days 😊 Haha I'm actually really happy that I'm not in Texas for the trespassing thing at least. Even though I would love the weather....I think...
@@ThreeStarVagabond I'd feel strange moving to a new country at 55. Not that I plan to retire anytime soon, but I'd want to feel like I contributed more to a place before growing older and possibly needing assistance. (You know, in countries where there IS assistance! 😉)
But Sweden, Scotland, and other countries that have a right to roam seem so great. Or places that might be more restrictive, but still have bike trails and other things running through the entire country. The closest thing we have in Texas is you're allowed to camp on riverbeds, but land owners might still chase you off with a gun, claiming you're on their land.
It is currently 98F/37C and feels like 105/40 with humidity. (It's not been a hot summer...yet.) But some people do like it. (I think the heat got to their brains.)
@@ChristopherGronlund Maybe I'll just be satisfied with visiting countries instead of moving abroad... Assistance, humidity and scorching heat, gun toting maniacs - there seems to be so many obstacles abroad! ;D
@@ChristopherGronlundpeople used to move to Canada for a better life now people are moving out of Canada for a better life
@@jamesrein648 I'm in Texas, so I have plenty of options for better places. Most Canadian friends are still happy up there, but yeah -- so many places have changed.
Love the video lol, thanks for sharing 😅
Thanks for checking it out 😀
I'm born and raised in Sweden, but my mother is from Spain, and whenever I had friends over as kid, there was no question about whether they would eat as well. My mother would always make do somehow, so to me, that was the norm. And my friends had parents who would happily let me eat with them as well, so I was very much accustomed to such treatment. Suffice it to say, when I switched schools and got to know some other (good) friends, I was shocked when their parents would have me wait in my friend's room while they ate. I had no idea what was going on, and I took it very personally and started wondering if they didn't like me or something, and being the Swede that I am, I didn't really comment on it. I basically just made a fist in my pocket and pretended that it didn't bother me. It wasn't until a long time later until I realised that my initial experience wasn't really the norm, lol.
You handled that like a proper Swede, with the fist in the pocket! But yeah I can imagine that that must have been quite a shock the first time. My mom always tried to make me not eat dinner at friends' places - I think she didn't want people to think that our family wasn't feeding our kids properly ^^
Amazing video Miro!
I wonder if you could create a video about sides that you never knew about Sweden.
Also, out of the ten points, which one of them do you think Swedish people will have different opinions on?
Thanks! And oooh that's a good one! I did make one about surprising facts about Sweden, but this might be a slightly different take.
I think that not offering visiting kids dinner is something that's slowly changing, so that might have a lot of differing opinions. And trust is something I believe that most Swedes would try to argue against - it feels a bit naive to be trusting. But I still think it's true ^_^
I don't know if it's changing or not, but I agree that that's probably the point we will have the most differing opinions on - because there are (and have always been) so many different factors that matter! Like: do you live in the countryside, where people have traditionally been much more in-and-out of eachother's house uninvited, or in a city? Are you good friends with the parents of a visiting child (which means you're likely to know their habits and opinions and any allergies the child has) or not? Have you been brought up to cook extra and save any leftovers for the week (like many old people where I grew up) or not?
@@AnMal01-h6b Totally agree! I've talked to various other Swedes about this "invite to dinner" thing, and some say that they've never experienced it or heard of it at all. So it really seems to depend a lot.
You crack me up!!! 🎉❤🥳
I do my best at least :D Or maybe that should be worst? ^_^
fun when you get to see a little video clip from my hometown. Oskarshamn
Oskarshamn is a lovely place. Haven't been there often enough - need to try the ferry to Blå jungfrun one of these days
A fact: The main issues held dear by the Swedes are also the cornerstone of all the other Nordic nations (counting from West): Gönland, Island, Færöene, Norge, Danmark, Sweden, Gotland, Åland, Finland, to name a few.
There are slight technical variations between these areas, but the basic sentiment is the same. We are a bunch of slightly disparate siblings!
Very good point! We're like a very strange little family up here, and we share a lot of the same sentiments. We might bicker and argue with each other, but we're still protective of our siblings ^_^
All 10 things are sensible, normal and charming 🥰
Peace and love Denmark
I knew we could trust our neighbours to be sensible as well 😄Cheers!
4:35 You can order milk with your meal at McDonald's 👍🏼
Greetings from Finland!
Couldn´t be noticing that you drink milk from Karjala beer glass 😁....
All other things are normal here in Finland too except those mid summer rituals. We sure have same kind of rituals and practises, but not dancing frog dance around the pole and not that singing either. But we do eat much together with friends or relatives and we drink hell of alot 😁. Also true that salmiakki here in Finland is much more popular than anywhere else in the world. As i was kid, i remember that there wasn´t much of salmiakki in the candy sections, but these days it has grown alot. We love salmiakki so much that we have it in booze, ice cream, bublegum and i have even seen it on marinade for meat 😂. Same thing with rye bread. I remember as i was visiting my uncle in Fisksätra and we tried to find some, but at that time (1997) it was basicly mission impossible. He said that there is sometimes in some markets in Stockholm, but not all the time. I always finded intrest for Swedish breads that were little sweet. Skågaholms limpa were my favourite for years.
My favourite beer glasses :D
I'd love to see a Finnish midsummer some day - so far I've just been at one on Åland, but that's probably halfway between a Finnish and Swedish one.
Haha, I think I've seen salmiakki taste in all of those things in Sweden too, except for the marinade! Oh, and rye bread is still pretty hard to come by. They have a small section in big stores, but most of the time I think people buy the Danish (sweeter) rye breads instead. No tumma leipä för most people :)
@@ThreeStarVagabond Well there isn´t much to see, nut it is great to hangout some good friends, eat, drink and go to sauna and lake (or sea). Heavy drinking and grilling some sausages later at the evening.
Uuh, that´s a progression 😁. Salmiakki is so deep into our culture here. I rarely even eat candy, but when i do, it is always salmiakki 😄.
Ok, never heard that type of rye bread. We hardly never eat sweet breds at all. Only at the christmes and eastern we might eat sweet limpa, but that´s it.
My uncle used to say that he was so full of Swedish breads becous most of those are little bit sweet.
I was thinking to move in to sweden someday i had also other options in my mind but i as European citizen i wont apply for visa etc. (US - Canada ) due Politics happening around I'm not sure about that right now also i'm not sure if would be able to get the job quickly there ( I am QA engineer Junior ) .
It's probably a pretty difficult market for IT people in every country right now, but Sweden usually needs more people in all kinds of positions. I'm sure there's plenty of companies that'll need QA engineers once you decide to jump over here :)
welcome to dinner and enjoy the company:)
Haha thank you so much! :D
In Scotland, we also have the right to roam. This is not so in the rest of the UK. I recently read a book called "The Book of Trespass" about how much of the rest of the UK is considered private land with no access rights. I got angrier and angrier as I turned the pages and was grateful that I hadn't been an English child.
There are quite a few things that are similar between Scotland and Sweden that I recognize when watching your videos. Perhaps it's because most of us have Norse genes 😂. We do tend to be more welcoming though, and my home now is the city of Liverpool which has to be one of the friendliest places on the planet, and also with big connections to the Norse.
I have been to Sweden, and I think that it is difficult to get to know real Sweden unless you already know someone there.
Sweden is a bit like an onion. There's several layers, and you start crying when trying to find out how to get to the next layer. But yeah, it does seem like Scotland and Scandinavia is really quite similar in many ways. It's quite amazing for me to see how different England is from Scotland since we pretty much assume that it's "the same country". Oh, and I agree about Liverpool! Been there a few times and it was quite nice ^_^
Hi, what I want to say:
Sweden is best country with all it positive & negatives. ❤ 🇸🇪 Love it
Thanks a lot! Happy to hear that :D
May I know your horoscope? Mine is Sagittarius. I'd like to save time by checking your personal information online. (haha, 😆😆)
I learned a lot from your videos and gained a better understanding of your hometown, Sweden.❤
Haha of course, I'm a Leo - and that's of course also available online for anyone to see with a little bit of searching :D
Thank you so much! Really happy to hear that ^_^
Scamcalls to Sweden just increased with 1000%
It is extremely important to also tell how we came up with "lördagsgodis" in the 50s. It's dark but necessary to be open about how we force fed disables people candy in institutions to monitor the effect is had on their teeth.
The people subjected to those experiments deserves to not be forgotten and swept under the rug.
Dark history? To be fed candy every day sounds amazing. :)
@@trollkatt Force fed nothing but candy, with no mouth hygiene administered? I mean, if that sounds amazing, then be my guest. Live their life for a couple of months and tell me how amazing it was! Especially when the tooth infections reaches your brain and the diabetes and malnutrition takes your other leg off.
@@niklasekelof7319 They're already disabled, let them enjoy life. 😉
@@trollkatt Don't get me wrong, I know you're trolling, it's in your name even. It's just. You're not doing it very well. Just being a douche doesn't cut it anymore. Gotta bring something else.
@@niklasekelof7319 Jag är inget troll. Du är okunnig. Googla på vad en trollkatt är. Alls tycker inte som du här i livet, vilket även dagens forskare visar på då liknande experiment och värre pågår dagligen än. Håll dina moralkakor för dig själv.
Really good 👍
Thank you! :D
Love Allenmansrätten, it it .
Blows me away that every holiday pickled herring and boiled potatoes are the main event. Used to be okay with it, but then I tried surströmming. I have eaten lots of smelly fermented things. I managed to swallow it, but it came back up in about 5 minutes. Put me off all pickled herring for years, not much to eat if you don't like herring or boiled potatoes . Don't try Surströmming if you are going to live in Sweden
Blows me away some married/ sambo Swedes keep seperate bank acccounts even after having kids. Sometimes they still split the bill for food.
Husesyn: I hate it , feels like a home inspection, and the Swedish comments often come off as judgy. especially if you are not doing things 2in the Swedish way" In my culture you never enter someone's bedroom without being invited. My SO told my inlaws that, but they didn't respect it. So... I leave "toys" on our bed when every they come over, now they at least don't go in our bedroom. Don't get the home tour thing for a one bedroom apartment.
Swiss here: metaphorical stick up our rear-ends as well, just like the Germans! :-)
And still people confuse our countries :D
Can you say something about why Swedish (or maybe only Stockholmare are like that?) people are so crazy about class and money? Like, I know some people from Södermalm which have inferiority complex because of where they were born, the opposite with people from Östermalm - they think of themselves as a higher being. And then, people from outside Stockholm that moved here and "need to progress in the social ladder", dreaming about expensive yachts and stuff.
Like, what's up with all of this? Most Swedish people I met are from Stockholm, Uppsala, Västerås and surrounding areas, all they talk about is the social status and money :/ help
I'd say that being obsessed with class and money is mostly a city thing, and only in certain groups of people. That said, there's definitely more such people in Stockholm than in e.g Gothenburg or Malmö. And much much more than in smaller places in Sweden. Stockholm has the highest salaries, so it attracts people who want to earn more - and my guess is that many get caught up in the whole rat race. But not everyone - I mostly know people who are pretty laid back, regardless if they're living paycheck to paycheck or if they're well off.
@@ThreeStarVagabond thank you, appreciate the response!
I like your videos. We had some nice vacations in swedens lovely cities - stockholm, uppsala, sigtuna, umea, oresund, malmö, ystad, eskilstuna - people were friendly and helpful everywere and i think this summer will be one more nice holiday in sweden😊
@@adiq6360 That attitude is one of the reasons that Stockholm people are often strongly disliked in other parts of Sweden, like in western Sweden, where I live.
@@SophieAmp Awesome! You've definitely seen a lot of the country - and I'm happy to hear that people were nice :D
The dinner thing was mostly a 70s thing?
Maybe.. But I think it depends on where in Sweden as well
Is there a publicly available map of where the debauchery is concentrated ?
It's basically in the green area: www.esa.int/var/esa/storage/images/esa_multimedia/images/2010/03/forest_growing_stock_volume_map_of_sweden/10118857-2-eng-GB/Forest_growing_stock_volume_map_of_Sweden_pillars.jpg
@@ThreeStarVagabond Funny !!
Couldn't help myself ^_^
By the way...are you going to make a midsummer documentary?
I would have loved to! I was planning on going to Grinda to making a video...but then I got invited to a midsummer party and got drunk instead ;D
@@ThreeStarVagabond You could have filming when being drunk.
@@Cybercenturycentaur Haha, I've actually been thinking what I should do when I hit 10k subscribers. Maybe I'll do that as a live stream
@@ThreeStarVagabond What are your plans for 1 Mio subscribers?
@@Cybercenturycentaur That's when I'll do a special reveal that I've been a robot the entire time
Stealing something from the English who stole it from the french most Swedish thing ever
The highest form of flattery! Steal everything and pretend it's yours...
I guess it's not banned as racist because French people are white...
Swedes are great at stealing stuff. From a Finn. 😂😂
What's the concert clip with alfons åberg from?
That was from Dunderpatrullen playing at Sec-T last year 😊
@@ThreeStarVagabond nice. Didn't know they were still active.
They're going to play at Moderskeppet 3 in October as well!
@@ThreeStarVagabond aww, never any fun bands in northern sweden
@@MrBrax Well, a lot of metal bands at least! I guess not so much geek stuff though...
I've been to Sweden a few times, I really enjoyed it and I have many friends, it's just a shame that the Muslim immigrants destroyed Sweden, it's no longer the same Sweden I know
Is totally unfair to mention specific religion/ethnicity & blaming thay destroy Sweden?
Sounds racist,
need to educate yourself
@@zainulabdin1720 islam isnt a race..its a religion..
@@zainulabdin1720I bet you dont even finish high school
I agree
@@Nautical-g3c Alhamdullilah, I am graduate from reputable university ok
"For good reasons according to me"
I'm sorry but I will have to take your Swedish-license now
Oh no!!! Can I no longer be introverted and asocial? :(
@@ThreeStarVagabond you can always repent at the church of licorice. I'm pretty sure I've seen one around somewhere
@@nenadarkpaw Blurk! Well, better licorice than sill at least. I'll gladly take some semi-nasty stuff rather than full-nasty!
what blows my mind about Sweden is how incredibly nosey the Swedish are.. I thought the British were nosey, but the Swedes excel in this!!
That's so interesting to hear! Sorry if I'm being nosey, but do you have any examples? I'm curious if it's a cultural difference in what's deemed nosey - or if you've met really rude people.
If you visit Sweden, do talk to swedes! It's not that people are rude and wouldn't answer - even though it's true as he says that most swedes seem to be more of introverts than the opposite.// best greetings from a born and raised swede
I might have exaggerated just a bit about the Swedish introvertedness 😊 Yeah I definitely agree that it's worth talking to people, actually! Just maybe not to the same degree like in the US for example
Its negativ in my opinion that we are so informal. Bur thats me
Really? I really like it personally, but I guess there's a time and place for every sort of behavior
Don't forget to tell people about the no go areas😎
Why would I? All cities in all countries have rough areas - and the ones in Sweden are super chill compared to other places.
Sweden might stand for an 'open' society whatsoever there is no much space for individual responsibility and selfdetermination.
I'm not so sure about that... I think Swedes have a hard time making decisions without a consensus, but they can still be quite independent compared to some other cultures.
You failed to blow my mind
How will I ever live with that failure. I'm sure it will torment me for years and years.
@@ThreeStarVagabond haha, nice one mate, top answer 🇸🇪🏴
@@roddymcniven8734 Haha, yeah and I can only hope to do better next time either way. Cheers man!
I think your content is garbage specially when you talk about Sweden so much and disparage Denmark - you’re in the US filming this video of course it’s not gonna be Denmark and other Nordic countries . It’s really kind of ridiculous. I’ve been to Sweden many times and all I can say is one of the most boring places on earth.
Well, everyone's entitled to their opinion - even if yours happens to be completely wrong on all accounts ^_^
I disagree