I also have the same setup but run air bags at the back. So much better. Can inflate when loaded and deflate when unloaded. It doesn't drive like a lumber wagon
Stan- Rust proof your trucks with oil base/lanolin spray. Fluid film/blaster surface shield. It will save you in the long run, worth every penny. Also a great job for your guys to do while you’re waiting around for snow to fall.
Brine will rust your truck out like nothing you have ever seen . I worked at a company that decided to out on 4 autocar tractors with 12fr highway plows and sander/ brine systems.... in 2 season the trucks double frames were rotten and the electrical problems we had made the trucks pretty much junk !!! We hotsy the trucks top to bottom after almost every storm it doesn't matter it gets into EVERYTHING
Yep if your using a truck to spread brine it better be a truck you don't care about I personally would lease a truck for a few years and get new one when lease is done
Yep. My husband works in the DOT for our state. He's the shop mechanic, and I've heard many stories about the rust and electrical problems the plow trucks have, caused by using salt brine.
This is exactly why I use oil bath undercoatings I learned this lesson long before I started plowing my grandparents used to live on an extremely salty part of a coast line and it was so bad regular door locks would be unusable in months and their cars would rust out like crazy
We use brine. And don’t have many of the issues stated in these comments. Frames only rust out if you are spilling brine. Keep your systems liquid right. Fix small leaks immediately, and undercoat the truck with an oil based sealant each year. We have trucks that have no rust and are brine units
I have sold and installed Timber for a number of years. Never had any real problems. Guys liked them because it didn’t affect ride stiffness. They are not that much either . Install is easy too. Good luck.
Yeah Timbrens are just taller, softer bump stops. They're nice if you haul heavy over rugged terrain since it's a lot more progressive than a solid chunk of rubber, but they're not a replacement for proper springs. Air bags work really good when used correctly. The problem is most people don't use them correctly. They're good for hauling heavy weight in the bed, or towing with a gooseneck or 5th wheel. But they're terrible for bumper pull towing. They increase the leverage the hitch has on the frame which has bent frames, and they take additional weight off the front tires which hurts your steering and braking performance. The best thing you can do with the rear suspension is to build proper leaf springs since the manufacturers just put on whatever is cheap and just functional enough to make it off the lot
Stan very informative same thing goes about spreading rock salt too much, and it doesn't necessarily melt more. The problem with new trucks manufacturers want a soft ride for the women and guys who think it's a personal vehicle, not a work truck. You shouldn't have to modify and spend thousands to make it correct
I was told that’s what they spray around here. I’m hoping my vehicle will last another year without rusting out. I can see some pockets under the paint start bubbling.
We mostly run our trucks as they are, but they all have plow packages(ie heavier springs)....We have added Timbrens in the past only if we have to and they help some, maybe reduce squat by half and have a minimum affect on ride quality if they are installed with the proper space. Adding leafs is the worst if you want the ride to be bearable, airbags are another option but IMO aren't great if you have several employees driving the truck.
You should be running an overload spring setup. That’s what I’ve done for years. Helps retain the softer ride when the truck isn’t loaded to the max. You can add to the overload spring setup up if you wish and the empty truck still rides the same.
On another note. Contractors around here, Louisville Ky area, got into salt brine about 15-20 years ago. Now the only people that use it is the DOT. Everyone sold their brine setups. Back to rock salt they went. Not sure why.
Flat out, you get that new truck, throw it up in the air and fluid film or surface shield the whole underside and especially the fenders and rockers, cover everthing thick. A gallon or two in the air sprayer or 18 cans.. if you have a used truck. Wash and dry it out for days 3-5 days in heat. More the better. Then coat the truck.
That brine will eat the paint right off a vehicle and completely rust out the frame in a very short period of time. I ran through that crap every time they put it down to get to work even though they know how caustic that crap is. It rusted out the frame and it dulled in some spots and removed the clear coat and paint in other areas on two trucks I owned. Brine is applied on the dry road in spray strips and is able to get onto your vehicle even before it snows. Even if you apply rock salt before it snows it has little chance of sticking to your vehicle until after it snows and mixes with the snow/ice. I can see why contractors looking to reduce costs to themselves would use brine but on public roads it costs drivers and vehicles owners much more in damage to vehicles. It should be banned on public roads. Private property is the owners choice.
I plowed and sanded roads for over 20 yrs what I found to slow the rust. Oil lots of oil. Used hydraulic oil works on a wheeler gallon and a half pickup a gallon and don’t wash it and don’t park in a heated garage up here in maine the state tried running salt brine before the storm and gave up on it yrs ago now it’s salt pre wet with brine the brine is sprayed onto the spinner But you have to be careful on the pavement temp to cold and you will make ice. You need to know the pavement temp then plan from that. The guy you had on the phone not really impressed go talk to the state guys or county or however it’s done out your way
That’s entirely dependent on your brine blend different blends and ratios freeze at different temperatures when I worked at the ski resort building features we intentionally would mix ours to freeze at whatever temperature it was when we were building now at home I mix to a -20+ resistant blend and I if needed can supplement that to go lower for harsher conditions
And the Shout out goes to Jordan for the hustle lol Y'all can keep the snow we're suppose to be climbing to back up 60 by the end of the week in eastern ky. Bsafe out there and Merry Christmas.
Stan i was just in the metro over the weekend. It looks like everyone for snow removal was caught off guard or just off their game. Parking lots looked like crap missed spots ect. Looked like a lot of people half butted everything. I know i seen some lots that looked great and thought i wonder if the dirt monkey crew did this one.
I spoke with Boss plows after I put the supercoils on my dodge. The engineers at Boss said you can have one hole showing on the center section below the side brackets.
Good morning, Stan! Thanks for another great video AND another year of awesome tools, equipment, info and best of all, PATRIOTISM!! Wishing you and your family a truly Blessed ✝Christmas🎄 Day and a 🤩Happy, 💪Healthy, 💵Prosperous 🎆New Year🎊! God bless.
You ain't never seen how a truck frame can fold until you've been to the U.P. ....30° angle at the cab and box...and still going down the road with them...
Lol it is so funny to see how others set up their vehicles. Boss plows all the way! A $5000 chevy dually regular cab with flatbeds. Dedicated plow trucks and dedicated salt trucks. I can't believe you start out with $75000 trucks. The rust is crazy and cost of operation on those trucks has to be insane. Extra trucks for a backup. I can replace a whole truck for less than the cost of any major repair you guys will definitely occur. Glad to see you giving up on the crazy huge rear plows. What a way to destroy a truck and i will plow circles around anyone that has one with just a front v-plow.
@@jamesweidenfeller2699 no one honestly. but the question wasnt even answered in the video. common sense says 100% brine does not discriminate. rock salt is limited to where it can get to in a solid form. brine is in every nook and cranny it drips down. you can spray what ever you want to help counter it. but it's going to win in the end.
You're stupid going with a boss? V boy is only powered out. There's no hydraulic's pound, it back in like a Fisher or a Western shouldn't. And if you break down you gotta have something to come along up the blade instead of just running the blade into a snow bank and shortening up the lift chain.
![Blox Fruits Dragon Rework Update [Full Stream]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/EqDAp8udhm0/mqdefault.jpg)
I also have the same setup but run air bags at the back. So much better. Can inflate when loaded and deflate when unloaded. It doesn't drive like a lumber wagon
Stan- Rust proof your trucks with oil base/lanolin spray. Fluid film/blaster surface shield.
It will save you in the long run, worth every penny.
Also a great job for your guys to do while you’re waiting around for snow to fall.
Brine will rust your truck out like nothing you have ever seen . I worked at a company that decided to out on 4 autocar tractors with 12fr highway plows and sander/ brine systems.... in 2 season the trucks double frames were rotten and the electrical problems we had made the trucks pretty much junk !!! We hotsy the trucks top to bottom after almost every storm it doesn't matter it gets into EVERYTHING
Agree 💯
Yep if your using a truck to spread brine it better be a truck you don't care about I personally would lease a truck for a few years and get new one when lease is done
💯
Yep. My husband works in the DOT for our state. He's the shop mechanic, and I've heard many stories about the rust and electrical problems the plow trucks have, caused by using salt brine.
This is exactly why I use oil bath undercoatings I learned this lesson long before I started plowing my grandparents used to live on an extremely salty part of a coast line and it was so bad regular door locks would be unusable in months and their cars would rust out like crazy
When altering the height of trucks, please check the headlight aiming. Truck headlights can even be misaligned if they are towing.
Yea might wanna upgrade that front axel. And all the ball joints and such. The truck will lastlonger
Who else realized Stanley killed Tim Allen and is now subject to the Santa Clause?
We use brine. And don’t have many of the issues stated in these comments. Frames only rust out if you are spilling brine. Keep your systems liquid right. Fix small leaks immediately, and undercoat the truck with an oil based sealant each year. We have trucks that have no rust and are brine units
I have sold and installed Timber for a number of years. Never had any real problems. Guys liked them because it didn’t affect ride stiffness. They are not that much either . Install is easy too. Good luck.
Yeah Timbrens are just taller, softer bump stops. They're nice if you haul heavy over rugged terrain since it's a lot more progressive than a solid chunk of rubber, but they're not a replacement for proper springs. Air bags work really good when used correctly. The problem is most people don't use them correctly. They're good for hauling heavy weight in the bed, or towing with a gooseneck or 5th wheel. But they're terrible for bumper pull towing. They increase the leverage the hitch has on the frame which has bent frames, and they take additional weight off the front tires which hurts your steering and braking performance. The best thing you can do with the rear suspension is to build proper leaf springs since the manufacturers just put on whatever is cheap and just functional enough to make it off the lot
Stan very informative same thing goes about spreading rock salt too much, and it doesn't necessarily melt more. The problem with new trucks manufacturers want a soft ride for the women and guys who think it's a personal vehicle, not a work truck. You shouldn't have to modify and spend thousands to make it correct
What about Beet Juice, I've heard that it is much better for the environment and may not rust a truck so quickly?
I was told that’s what they spray around here. I’m hoping my vehicle will last another year without rusting out. I can see some pockets under the paint start bubbling.
Yes! It will destroy any vehicle it gets on.
Ran timbren in 3500 work plow/salt trucks, and love it! World of difference.
Brine also eats wiring and connectors. They have a product called salt away that you apply after an event it supposed to naturalize the corrosion .
Merry CHRISTmas everyone
Hey Stan! Hope you have a great holiday! Keep up the great work!
Happy Holidays!
Absolutely love Nokian winter tire.
We mostly run our trucks as they are, but they all have plow packages(ie heavier springs)....We have added Timbrens in the past only if we have to and they help some, maybe reduce squat by half and have a minimum affect on ride quality if they are installed with the proper space. Adding leafs is the worst if you want the ride to be bearable, airbags are another option but IMO aren't great if you have several employees driving the truck.
I appreciate the info! I need to add a few more springs.
Diesel trucks, AT tires and truck mods? Dang Stan, you've done a full 180 from a few years ago! lol
You should be running an overload spring setup. That’s what I’ve done for years. Helps retain the softer ride when the truck isn’t loaded to the max. You can add to the overload spring setup up if you wish and the empty truck still rides the same.
Thanks for the tip!
On another note. Contractors around here, Louisville Ky area, got into salt brine about 15-20 years ago. Now the only people that use it is the DOT. Everyone sold their brine setups. Back to rock salt they went. Not sure why.
Yeah I added new bump stops as well and lifted the shock 2 inch and added a longer shock in. Looks good Stan.
Flat out, you get that new truck, throw it up in the air and fluid film or surface shield the whole underside and especially the fenders and rockers, cover everthing thick. A gallon or two in the air sprayer or 18 cans.. if you have a used truck. Wash and dry it out for days 3-5 days in heat. More the better. Then coat the truck.
920 lbs plow thats insane heavy .
That brine will eat the paint right off a vehicle and completely rust out the frame in a very short period of time. I ran through that crap every time they put it down to get to work even though they know how caustic that crap is. It rusted out the frame and it dulled in some spots and removed the clear coat and paint in other areas on two trucks I owned. Brine is applied on the dry road in spray strips and is able to get onto your vehicle even before it snows. Even if you apply rock salt before it snows it has little chance of sticking to your vehicle until after it snows and mixes with the snow/ice. I can see why contractors looking to reduce costs to themselves would use brine but on public roads it costs drivers and vehicles owners much more in damage to vehicles. It should be banned on public roads. Private property is the owners choice.
I have used Timbren for years on plow trucks
With great success
C and F are exactly the same temp at -40
Like a porn star: "EWOMMP and it's up!" 🤣 Nice one, Alex. LOL!
I plowed and sanded roads for over 20 yrs what I found to slow the rust. Oil lots of oil. Used hydraulic oil works on a wheeler gallon and a half pickup a gallon and don’t wash it and don’t park in a heated garage up here in maine the state tried running salt brine before the storm and gave up on it yrs ago now it’s salt pre wet with brine the brine is sprayed onto the spinner But you have to be careful on the pavement temp to cold and you will make ice. You need to know the pavement temp then plan from that. The guy you had on the phone not really impressed go talk to the state guys or county or however it’s done out your way
That’s entirely dependent on your brine blend different blends and ratios freeze at different temperatures when I worked at the ski resort building features we intentionally would mix ours to freeze at whatever temperature it was when we were building now at home I mix to a -20+ resistant blend and I if needed can supplement that to go lower for harsher conditions
You should just buy that Chevrolet Silverado HDs in front of your truck with the plow on it already 😮
At least gms trucks are 37% USA parts 37% Mexico parts frames from Canada 😊
Easy fix, get a real truck we all know fords have squishy springs! Ha ha! Great video Stan, happy holidays!
And the Shout out goes to Jordan for the hustle lol Y'all can keep the snow we're suppose to be climbing to back up 60 by the end of the week in eastern ky. Bsafe out there and Merry Christmas.
What about adding air bags guys around me do that all the time then you don’t have to sacrifice ride quality when your not loaded
hawk tuah loogies?
Fluid Film, Blaster Surface Shield or New Hampshire Oil.
💯%
2:17 ummm yeah you are forgetting about that big red thing in the rear... That is raising the front up
I thought you said you were done with the Ford's.??? Not a man of your own word!,!!😅😢
Stan i was just in the metro over the weekend. It looks like everyone for snow removal was caught off guard or just off their game. Parking lots looked like crap missed spots ect. Looked like a lot of people half butted everything. I know i seen some lots that looked great and thought i wonder if the dirt monkey crew did this one.
Ive seen brine ruin all sorts of trucks from rust. Compared rock salt sand etc
Im no expert but i like saldt dand mixture for traction
Ice salt freezes gravel better plus no rust
I spoke with Boss plows after I put the supercoils on my dodge. The engineers at Boss said you can have one hole showing on the center section below the side brackets.
Good to know. Thanks for sharing.
Good morning, Stan! Thanks for another great video AND another year of awesome tools, equipment, info and best of all, PATRIOTISM!!
Wishing you and your family a truly Blessed ✝Christmas🎄 Day and a 🤩Happy, 💪Healthy, 💵Prosperous 🎆New Year🎊! God bless.
You ain't never seen how a truck frame can fold until you've been to the U.P. ....30° angle at the cab and box...and still going down the road with them...
Merry Christmas 2024 and happy new year 2025 Stan and family! Abe Westmoreland and Westmoreland Clan!
Brine will absolutely destroy a truck in a short time! Look at many of the Canadian trucks as evidence.
best to buy ford in this day and age theres a video on here with a 100k+ 2017 f150 from up there and i am 100% sold
Would 99% Rubbing Alcohol help in a Brine solution?
Hop you and your family have a Mary chrismiss.
Your only one non USA company is Ford 32% usa 68% China parts that's Ford. Ranger is 92% China parts.! 😢
What about in freezing rain … which is better ?
-40 c = -40 f
Lol it is so funny to see how others set up their vehicles. Boss plows all the way! A $5000 chevy dually regular cab with flatbeds. Dedicated plow trucks and dedicated salt trucks. I can't believe you start out with $75000 trucks. The rust is crazy and cost of operation on those trucks has to be insane. Extra trucks for a backup. I can replace a whole truck for less than the cost of any major repair you guys will definitely occur. Glad to see you giving up on the crazy huge rear plows. What a way to destroy a truck and i will plow circles around anyone that has one with just a front v-plow.
first! love ya stan
Lol who cares
@@jamesweidenfeller2699 no one honestly. but the question wasnt even answered in the video.
common sense says 100% brine does not discriminate. rock salt is limited to where it can get to in a solid form. brine is in every nook and cranny it drips down. you can spray what ever you want to help counter it. but it's going to win in the end.
You're stupid going with a boss? V boy is only powered out. There's no hydraulic's pound, it back in like a Fisher or a Western shouldn't. And if you break down you gotta have something to come along up the blade instead of just running the blade into a snow bank and shortening up the lift chain.
here to help